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I remember Mick Mallyon giving his horse a jab in the neck with the butt of his whip many years ago. The Stewards saw it and gave him a holiday. Why not now?
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Originally posted by adolphus twirk adolphus twirk wrote:

I remember Mick Mallyon giving his horse a jab in the neck with the butt of his whip many years ago. The Stewards saw it and gave him a holiday. Why not now?

Yes I recall the incident AT, different type of steward then though , Pat Lalor was chief steward ( I'm pretty sure lol) a much disliked person and his offsider Purtell, Lalors Nic was "ankles" not hard to work out why.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by adolphus twirk adolphus twirk wrote:

I remember Mick Mallyon giving his horse a jab in the neck with the butt of his whip many years ago. The Stewards saw it and gave him a holiday. Why not now?

Yes I recall the incident AT, different type of steward then though , Pat Lalor was chief steward ( I'm pretty sure lol) a much disliked person and his offsider Purtell, Lalors Nic was "ankles" not hard to work out why.
Spot on! Lalor .......ha, disliked, you're being much too kind Carioca.
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Very interesting story on Herald sun website re Stars of Carrum runner up to Extra Brut in the derby re a text message received by one of the owners just after race
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Originally posted by barney136 barney136 wrote:

Very interesting story on Herald sun website re Stars of Carrum runner up to Extra Brut in the derby re a text message received by one of the owners just after race


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If I were an owner of Stars of Carrum, I’d be more concerned with how my horse, despite a brutally run Derby, kept finding ar$eholes to run up behind.
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The race fixing rumours hounding wounded Darren Weir

His name is Peter Cox but he’s not one of the W.S. Cox Plate mob who once owned Moonee Valley.

This “Coxy” is a former newspaper photographer who once worked at the Herald Sun’s predecessor The Sun News-Pictorial.

Being the optimist who had punted on buying a $75,000 colt sired by a then unproven stallion, Cox was pretty happy with Stars Of Carrum making such a brave run to finish behind Extra Brut.

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The winner was, after all, trained by Australia’s biggest and “winningest” trainer, Darren Weir. Hundreds of horses — and so thousands of their owners — were used to running second, third and fourth to Weir entries everywhere from Swan Hill to Rosehill.

So Cox and his mates — there are 20 owners in Stars of Carrum — had a big night out to celebrate their thrilling $360,000 brush with the prestige (and $1.2m first prize) of Australasia’s most valuable Derby.

It wasn’t until late that night that Cox scrolled through his text messages. One short text caught his eye. He saved it.

Which explains why, after hearing that police and stewards had raided Weir’s stables last week, Cox found that three-month old text and showed it to his mates.

It reads: “Great horse; great effort; great story. Some might suggest beaten by cheats.”

Whoever wrote the text was hardly Nostradamus. When the Weir “fairy story” ended in tears this week, a lot of racing people were shocked but they weren’t surprised.

Whether Extra Brut had something extra to make him race harder a little longer we might never know.

Extra Brut beat Stars of Carrum in the Victoria Derby at Flemington in November last year. Picture: Getty
When it comes to keeping mouths shut, jockeys and trainers are like oysters compared with Lawyer X and the other dial-a-quote informers in and around the legal profession. Not to mention the bankers who threw colleagues under the royal commission bus.

The mystery about past race results means “Coxy” and his 19 co-owners can’t help wondering if they’ve been dudded for a small fortune. You can bet they aren’t the only ones.

Other connections of other horses must be looking hard at certain results of certain races. Especially if more than one Weir horse ran in the race … or if his assistant trainer Jarrod McLean happened to run one.

Take, for instance, last year’s Grand National Hurdle, won by McLean’s heavily-backed Cougar Express after Weir’s runner Bit Of A Lad drifted in the betting then “took on” the favourite in front, setting up the race for McLean’s swooper.

Trainer Jarrod McLean with jockey Shane Jackson after Cougar Express at the Grand National Hurdle in August. Picture: AAP
Some watchers were reminded of the time when Lawyer X’s favourite client Tony Mokbel routinely organised jumps races to have profitable and predictable results, something like the National Australia Bank rorting pensioners.

Suspicion and speculation don’t count for much, of course. But since the raids on Weir’s World last week, rumours have run wild.

One persistent suggestion is that Weir meekly ’fessed up to the jiggers in his bedroom safe to avoid or delay further investigation into other breaches of the rules — or the law.

Police joined racing stewards on the raids for a reason: they are investigating whether Weir can be nailed on criminal offences, ranging from animal cruelty to frauds that undermine racing’s integrity.

Darren Weir leaving Victorian Racing Club's headquarters. Picture: AAP
Lawyers and police use words like “corrupt practice” and “intent to defraud” but plain folk call it race fixing. Here’s how it might happen. Hypothetically.

Let’s imagine someone we call Trainer X who trains so many horses he can swamp whole programs, sometimes with several horses in one race. Meaning Trainer X could conceivably manipulate the finish to land betting coups by beating a favourite with a horse backed at longer odds.

If Trainer X trained the favourite as well as the supposed “sure thing”, it would be a double betrayal, as the stable would be knowingly robbing one of its own clients. To be fair, that is unlikely. It seems more likely that a favourite trained by someone else gets “boxed in” to let the “good thing” win the race and land the bets. This, of course, would require the complicity of jockeys.

AFP and Victoria Police in a raid at Darren Weir Racing at Miners Rest. Picture: Ian Wilson
The imaginary Trainer X might commit such badness but those who know the real Darren Weir doubt he would. Weir has his critics but they say that despite his long “rap sheet” and undoubted tough streak, he has never blatantly used “team riding” to disadvantage some runners to help others.

It will be interesting to see whether police share that opinion — that’s if they have telephone taps of Weir’s conversations about betting plans and training tricks, as the rumour mill says they have. If such evidence surfaces, and it is heavy enough to prove a civil case, stand by for aggrieved owners and breeders to tote up their losses and holler for lawyers.

The Derby example is just one: IF there is any evidence that Extra Brut’s win came from cheating, not only could the Stars Of Carrum crew make a case that they wuz robbed of almost a million bucks in stakes — but that they lost stud potential that could run into many more millions over a lifetime.

Darren Weir with his trophy after Extra Brut won the Victoria Derby. Picture Jay Town
Everyone knows the $9000 yearling Bel Esprit — Black Caviar’s dad — became a successful stallion who has lasted 20 years. The stud that has Bel Esprit happens to own Stars Of Carrum’s sire, the imported Melbourne Cup winner Fiorente, and the owners are already wondering what might have been.

They say that the difference between Stars Of Carrum winning the Derby and running second is worth maybe an extra $10,000 per service fee, spread over 100-plus mares a season. That’s a million bucks a year.

Then there’s the undoubted fact that more elite mares would have been sent to Fiorente if his son won the Derby, thereby ensuring ongoing success.

An extra million in Derby prize money alone would have put Fiorente second only to the hot new sire Zoustar, ensuring publicity and better patronage.

The Derby is just one example of several that racing people talk about among themselves. There are others, such as the dominant win of a young stallion transferred to Weir, the owners hell-bent on winning a Group 1 race so the horse could get a flying start at stud.

Fiorente ridden by Tommy Berry. Picture: Mark Evans
The lucky winner stands at a $27,500 fee, whereas the unlucky second placegetter commands half that amount at stud, yet is widely regarded as being better bred.

Then there are the seasoned Japanese sprinters Brave Smash and Tosen Stardom, both sent to Weir to extract elusive Group 1 wins in Australia to set them up for stud careers. Jaded horses sent to Weir’s stables — especially to the beach at Warrnambool — sometimes had truly eye-popping form reversals.

But that’s all history now. The authorities have skilfully isolated and extracted the one rotten apple in the barrel and life goes on. Meanwhile, another trainer who’s had a meteoric rise will take over the sprawling Weir empire at Ballarat.

The new boy in Weir Town will be on his best behaviour since being rubbed out over a dodgy ownership rort involving the international conman, Peter Foster.

What could possibly go wrong? But if it does, the scallywags will have to find a lawyer who’s not fizzing to the police.

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Interesting anecdote on the Andrew Rule podcast https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=330166 31 minutes in 
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Wow, what a scoop!! Even by their standards that’s a nothing burger.
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Herald sun today
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Authorities are hunting for bets made through illegal overseas bookies as part of their investigation into disgraced trainer Darren Weir.

The Sunday Herald Sun has learned Racing Victoria sought information from Australian bookmakers about betting on horses trained by Weir.

But Racing Victoria was only provided with a small number of Australian bets relating to Weir-trained horses, unlike the details of a large number of bets during their previous investigation into the Aquanita doping scandal.

Multiple sources say Victoria Police investigators have now turned their attention to whether bets on Weir-trained horses were placed with Philippines-based bookmaker Citibet.

Those bets do not have to be reported to Australian authorities, making it difficult to detect whether there have been betting plunges on long shots who then have miraculous wins.

A racing insider has told the Sunday Herald Sun that authorities would be following the money in the Weir saga.

“This is about more than animal cruelty. If Racing Victoria only land a charge on Weir for using a jigger then it will be a wasted opportunity,” the insider said.

“The suspicion is that the betting has been going on overseas on Citibet.

“For 18 months they have had suspicions about the corruption of racing outcomes.

“If Racing Victoria thinks a public statement and four year suspension of a high profile figure is enough — they’re wrong.”

Citibet has been growing its influence in the Australian racing market, with estimates that up to $930m is punted on the platform each year.

That would account for 8 per cent of the turnover with licensed Australian bookmakers.

Citibet does not have the right to take bets on Australian racing and does not have to provide information to authorities like locally based bookmakers.

Weir was banned from racing for four years’ this week after he was found to be in possession of jiggers, which can be used to shock horses during training to make them run faster in races.

He decided not to contest Racing Victoria charges against him after an 11-hour hearing at Flemington.

But Weir remains under investigation by Victoria Police over obtaining financial advantage by deception, engaging in conduct that corrupts a betting outcome and use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes.

The Sunday Herald Sun is not suggesting Weir has been involved in overseas betting, only that overseas betting a line of inquiry for investigators.

Since his disqualification Darren Weir has spent most of his time at his Forest Lodge Ballarat stables organising his former staff and selling his horses.

Weir spent Wednesday afternoon in meetings with representatives of the Maher and Eustace stable, Ballarat Turf Club representatives and also Racing Victoria organising the sale of his Forest Lodge stables.

He’s also had to talk to Maher and Eustace about the 109 horses they have inherited from him.

Weir had 10 business days from the disqualification to end any connection he had with the industry.

Those close to Weir have been amazed and somewhat surprised by him being so stoic during this week.

They say his demeanour is surprisingly good but it’s been a hectic time as he needed to divest his interests.

Most of Weir’s staff is staying on including his stable foreman Simon McCartin.

Eustace said he had been impressed by the professionalism of Forest Lodge and also Weir during this tough transition period.
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If other owners and trainers feel they got cheated, coming 2nd etc, can of worms, what about the punters?
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Rule knows a bit about racing, about as much as many of us here but little more.

FWIW he annoys the sh1t out of me with his unfounded rumors and less than argued facts which despite some telling points absolutely abound in the highlighted link.

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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

What d9you mean by red zone? From memory that area floods, is tha it?


From page 14.  Shrunk, there was a very infomative program on NBN 9 Newcastle tonight called S O S Red Zone.  All about this.    Maybe you can watch it on line, or PT will find a link.  Pretty bad for those with property in the zone.
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I think This is what you’re referring to
https://www.9now.com.au/sos-red-zone/season-1/episode-1
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

What d9you mean by red zone? From memory that area floods, is tha it?


From page 14.  Shrunk, there was a very infomative program on NBN 9 Newcastle tonight called S O S Red Zone.  All about this.    Maybe you can watch it on line, or PT will find a link.  Pretty bad for those with property in the zone.
That’s really bad up there! Horrible for the people involved. We had a warning put out here about Richmond Air Force Base a while back .Told us not to eat the eggs of chooks or vegetables that were within something like 10 kilometres of the base . Only ever seen it mentioned once though .
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Fiskville in country Victoria has a similar issue.
Millions spent on it, only a small area that is of concern, now it’s just sitting there abandoned going to to waste.
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Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

If other owners and trainers feel they got cheated, coming 2nd etc, can of worms, what about the punters?
Punters are Investors too.



This is true but there is no recourse for punters. They bet with bookies who pay on correct weight. If a horse is subsequently DQed for a positive swab there is no change to betting outcomes.
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Ladbrokes gave me a free bet last week to compensate for being beaten by a Weir horse.
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Ladbrokes gave out $20 free bets to anyone who ran 2nd to Weir in a group 1
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Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Taser ? Mmm the mind boggles ,no wonder they run faster if they have been given a wake up with the taser .....

If reports are proven they get life and a stint in the big house .

What about Michelle’s movie investors, I wonder how they might be feeling ? Casts a shadow over the movie surely ....

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At least they have a sequel to the movie
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Originally posted by Xavier Xavier wrote:

I think This is what you’re referring to


ThanksThumbs Up   Sorry to side track but thought Shrunk may be interested.
Now back on subject.
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Originally posted by early4lunch early4lunch wrote:

At least they have a sequel to the movie

If they add all this to the movie, it might actually be worth watching it.
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by early4lunch early4lunch wrote:

At least they have a sequel to the movie

If they add all this to the movie, it might actually be worth watching it.

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True, not all movies finish with the heroine riding off into the sunset with Don Juan
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RV looks to have their hands full atm.
Firstly the jiggers and closely followed by alleged betting by jockeys.
Unless they are connected in some way.

Newitt part of betting probe

Group 1 winner Craig Newitt is at the centre of a multi-state stewards investigation into the alleged betting activities of jockeys.

Newitt confirmed the news to RSN on Tuesday, indicating that a request had been made for him to front Racing Victoria stewards in the coming weeks.







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Connected in some way ? I don’t recall Newitt riding much for him.... maybe he was riding for him just not on his horses
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I highly doubt the two are connected.
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