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The guess there is that the original video taken at the stable that prompted investigations is ??inadmissable... like much of the stuff filmed in the greyhound cases... so the focus has gone elsewhere
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Just as likely that the 'conducted electricity device' is an un-modified cattle prod. If they found it in the shed with the treadmills, they might be using it to get a max effort from the horse without the weight of a jockey.

Would need to know more about the gun. Could be anything from pest control to starter's pistol, used to make a loud noise.

The charges laid are everything that the sporting integrity unit has at their disposal. It'll be interesting to see what's left once they proceed to the courts.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

Electricity jigger found
Vibrator ????
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The whole thing is so sad.  The view of racing thats going to be seen by the general public for one.  And , if its true, to think what has been gotten away with for years now.
The cruelty bit blows my mind, when I have always heard how he looks after his retired horses.Cry
I would think a gun would be held as part of the furniture in a lot of stables, but if its not licenced , thats trouble.  As to a jigger ?  Or Taser ? Both would be illegal wouldnt they, no matter which it is ?
If true, its difficult to think that he thought he could get away with it all.  Surely he would know they were watching him like a hawk ?  Its mind blowing , the whole thing.Angry
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

Electricity jigger found
Vibrator ????

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Surely no surprises here among the racing experts. 547 winners at a strike rate of 15.4% & a place strike rate of 39.1% over the past 12 months. How many horses must be in his stables to achieve that ? What one on one influence could you possibly have with that many horses under your control ? How could he be that much better than the average trainer who struggles to get a result ? You would think there must be something "inherent/ systemic" going on on top of his apparent master training abilities to get those outcomes
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Yes, he is the only recent Australian trainer to win the Cup and at 100/1! I would rather an overseas horse win than a dirty Australian cheat.

So what if has 700 horses and a 100 staff, they will all find stables and jobs.

The authorities must have all of their ducks in a row to have simultaneous raids and with the Federal police involved this is going to be huge.
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Could he even be stripped of the Melbourne Cup?


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One of the reasons I pretty well gave up punting on Vic country meetings. I would study the form only to see a Wier runner @ $1.50. Could never work it out as the form rarely justified it. So would take it on only to see it waltz in. Had to be impacting turnover I would have thought
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Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Could he even be stripped of the Melbourne Cup?




Highly unlikely.
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I stopped doing the form.
I just backed his horses,and bailed out if there was no money for them.

Not fool proof, but without doubt,profitable.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Surely no surprises here among the racing experts. 547 winners at a strike rate of 15.4% & a place strike rate of 39.1% over the past 12 months. How many horses must be in his stables to achieve that ? What one on one influence could you possibly have with that many horses under your control ? How could he be that much better than the average trainer who struggles to get a result ? You would think there must be something "inherent/ systemic" going on on top of his apparent master training abilities to get those outcomes
 
It is very sad indeed to hear of this happening in a hugely successful stable, albeit allegations till proven guilty,
His strike rate is impressive but not surprising as with a good reputation as a trainer will gather better horses to his stable, its not the quantity its the quality, plus his facilities are to be envied by any trainer.
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

Electricity jigger found
Vibrator ????

That silly grin Weir always wears? maybe a vibrator after all?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote skippy123 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:28am
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Surely no surprises here among the racing experts. 547 winners at a strike rate of 15.4% & a place strike rate of 39.1% over the past 12 months. How many horses must be in his stables to achieve that ? What one on one influence could you possibly have with that many horses under your control ? How could he be that much better than the average trainer who struggles to get a result ? You would think there must be something "inherent/ systemic" going on on top of his apparent master training abilities to get those outcomes

Yes and it make you wonder more about the ability of other trainers with big stables and strike rates
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And there’s more to come... particularly the reason the AFP is involved
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I think you will find B Currie might get a mention along the way...
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Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

And there’s more to come... particularly the reason the AFP is involved

The involvement of the AFP implies something more that local. Unlicenced firearm would be Vic Pol only, a general racing doping irregularity would be RVL only...

Even the Police didn't get involved in the Smerdon case (as yet in anycase)..
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Smerdon, Kavanagh, Moody, Obrien, Weir.

Vic racing has an issue.
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Imported from China... disgraceful not Aus made am I right?
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Originally posted by Kong Kong wrote:

Smerdon, Kavanagh, Moody, Obrien, Weir.

Vic racing has an issue.
Careful mentioning Moody, you'll get slammed! LOL
 
Might have been an issue, but now its being cleaned up! About time too! Think Weirs in for a long haul behind bars.
 
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Who blabbed? I wonder how many of his many employees did not know.
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Feel sorry for the 125 staff.
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A thought, if Mclean is indeed involved, could Ciaron Maher get dragged into it, from when Mclean was holding his stable??
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That was Purcell who took over Mahers team.
McLean hasn’t work for Maher.
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From the article:
 

In a statement, police said the men were arrested for questioning as part of an investigation into suspected offences including:

  • obtaining financial advantage by deception
  • engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome
  • use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes
  • attempting to obtain financial advantage by deception
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Police have been pictured searching the engines of all his trucks.... weird
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AFP involvement makes me wonder if his trucks have been transporting more than horses
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With the central plank of this being financial crimes, fraud deception etc, I wonder will Triads or Russian mafia get a mention at some stage?
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Police taking away saddles????
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