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Unstoppable , he seems to love Roberto line , and partial to a cross of Success Express as i think Perast has SE in his page Shamus Award and Mossfun in reverse and thoughts Furious on why? Not throwing many stakes winners to Danehill inbreeding , but Snippets seems to cross ok also up close ?
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What are Snitzel's stats as a broodmare sire?

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It's probably not the Roberto line Goldey.  His best have been very varied but he has shown a liking for Storm Bird who appears in Domesday and then you have the Domesday/Redoute's female line cross.

Also Baldric sire of Without Fear has appeared a few times not always through Without Fear who of course is in General Nediym and there we have Menari and Sizzling (dam inbred to Without Fear ect.  

Fairy King has come up a few times including through Encosta in Summer Passage and through Falbrav in Spill the Beans ect.

Blushing Groom appears in Hot Snitzel and Russian Revolution ect.

Sir Tristram is in Flying Snitzel, Time for War, Dances on Stars and Amorino etc.

Now the obvious is Star Kingdom he is in Amorino, Flying Snitzel, Menari, Redzel, Snitzerland, Trapeze Artist, Jukebox, French Emotion etc.

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Originally posted by Gee Gee Gee Gee wrote:

What are Snitzel's stats as a broodmare sire?


Pretty good ,Gee Gee , apart from Mossfun He has Motown Lil , an up and comers in Good Oh and Bye See He also had one in Saturdays Filly's 2yo, Now or Never 4th not many flops most are not without any ability imho. Probably has had less than 40 runners as a broody sire .
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

It's probably not the Roberto line Goldey.  His best have been very varied but he has shown a liking for Storm Bird who appears in Domesday and then you have the Domesday/Redoute's female line cross.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">

Also Baldric sire of Without

Fear has appeared a few times not always through Without Fear who of course is in General Nediym and there we have Menari and Sizzling (dam inbred to Without Fear ect.  

Fairy King has come up a few times including through Encosta in Summer Passage and through Falbrav in Spill the Beans ect.

Blushing Groom appears in Hot Snitzel and Russian Revolution ect.

Sir Tristram is in Flying Snitzel, Time for War, Dances on Stars and Amorino etc.

Now the obvious is Star Kingdom he is in Amorino, Flying Snitzel, Menari, Redzel, Snitzerland, Trapeze Artist, Jukebox, French Emotion etc.


Thanks Furious, I noticed the Storm Bird duplication is successful is it true that SB is great for ironing out leg issues ?
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Asking the wrong person Goldey.  I'm pedigree researcher only.  
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According to RISA Snitzel had 167 foals, 53 starters for 24 winners and 1 stakes winner. AEI 2.67
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Bit out of date that figure.  But it is true in that Snitzel didn't start off as the Champion Sire we see today.  He started with good winners, city winners but the stakes winners took a little to develop double figures.  Yes he started at a figure far less than the one he stands at today but he forced that figure with the numbers he has sired over the last three or four seasons.  Highlighted of course by his all round sire standing wins last season.  The fact is he is only just into the third month of a new season and has 11 stakes winners including a new G1 winner.  That is pretty well unheard of.  He already has had 18 stakes horses for the couple of months run so far.  Yes the Everest is going to have a big say on the Sires List this year but if one of the overseas horses wins I give Snitzel a couple of months and he could be back on top.  

Yes Winx has her big race coming up but Street Cry is on 1 stakes winner for the year.  Winx can carry him so far.

Fastnet Rock is a big challenger this season with 7 stakes winners already.  He is standing on 12 black type horses so far in the season which is also well above average.  But on both the class of the stakes winners and numbers so far Snitzel has his nose in front.  Not that there are plenty of G1 class horses in Fastnet Rocks corner which could push him up over the next few months and if Deploy wins the Everest then even Snitzel will not recover to catch him.

I am Invincible is another with an outstanding first couple of months with 5 stakes winners and 9 black type performers.  Considering this has been off a class of mare which Fastnet Rock has never ever seen and Snitzel got in his early years does say this boy is also in a class of his own.  He also has a runner in the Everest but I really don't see her winning but stranger things have happened in racing.

Enosta de Lago has without a doubt a top chance of winning the everest but with only $446K against his name for the season as long as Redzel pick's up some prizemoney Snitzel would still be close on his heels.

While Not a Single Doubt is sitting on just under 1/2 what Snitzel has for the season and has two runners in the Everest.  Yes a big lift for either to win but who knows.

So this season one race stands between another sure win for Snitzel.  We'll know after the 14th.
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Realistically, the Everest shouldn't count towards stallion tables being such a restricted event.
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Then you have to take out the MM and Inglis series races.  It's restricted only that you have to be a superior sprinter to win it.  Nothing wrong in trying to even up the prizemoney field that way.  Sprinters on the whole are our best horses and run for less every bit race.  But it will effect the result unless you have a Champion Sire on fire.  At the moment Snitzel is on fire so it remains to be seen if it ends up effecting his results.
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That should read big race sorry.
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Then you have to take out the MM and Inglis series races.  It's restricted only that you have to be a superior sprinter to win it.  Nothing wrong in trying to even up the prizemoney field that way.  Sprinters on the whole are our best horses and run for less every bit race.  But it will effect the result unless you have a Champion Sire on fire.  At the moment Snitzel is on fire so it remains to be seen if it ends up effecting his results.


I've pondered this, but the restriction is a little different - there's thousands of horses eligible for either - it's not ideal but it's not as open for manipulation as this Sherpa-thon. RNSW has to approve the slot buyers, there's $600000 involved in getting your horse in, whilst in the sales races anyone can realistically put the horse through the ring.
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sorry furious...meant as a broodmare sire

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Actually for a broodmare sire that figure isn't at all bad.  His better bred mares are still to come.  He seems to have a few strings to his bow also as he can get sprinters, milers and middle distance types.  Can't see one over 2 miles but stranger things have happened.
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I hate to state the obvious but over $4,000,000 after two months 1 week.  He could of finished 28th on the last season's Sire List with that figure!  Just a thought if Redzel wins the Everest what figure will he set at the end of the season.  It will take some smashing that is for sure.

It is not that far back to the 2010-11 season when Lonhro won with just over $8,750,000.  The other top stallions in the last 10 years have sat on between $9,000,000 and $12,000,000.  Yes Winx's sire Street Cry finished second with almost $14,500,000 last season to Snitzels $16,200,000.  But Snitzel didn't start last season quite the same as this one.

I know stallions can have some massive years - far above anything else they may achieve - but this boy didn't promise anything like this in the early years.
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He was the great stallion to go to for a winner even constantly a city winner.  Now your almost assured of black type.
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I attended an Arrowfield stallion parade many years ago. It was shortly after both Snitzel and NASD had their initial crop running. John Messara was spruiking them both and told the crowd that both would be leading sires and stand for much larger fees in future years so best to get in now.
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He is sort of going the same way as Rory’s Jester, you could go to the bank with a business model to buy them and the bank would hand over the cash..
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Snitzel has 7 of the top 11 qualified colts for the Caulfield Guineas , yet only 1 in the Thousand Guineas qualified at 31st .His spread of stakes winners looks to favour the Colts over Fillies at around 2 to 1.
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Well he's pretty much set up for this seasons Sire Standings.  Didn't think Redzel could win it but nothing is stopping this sire at the moment.
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Just noticed that if you take away the 6,000,800 that Redzel has won this season for Snitzel the stallion is still first on the sires standings with $5,332,238.  Fastnet Rock is also having a bottler season but even with all his horses figures he sits on $4,665,352.
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Seriously, he will break 25million with some luck
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Yes the $20,000,000 barrier has gone.  That's four individual G1 winners also so he isn't riding on the back of one horse.  Interesting couple of days for So You Think and I am invincible also.  Set's up those two for Easter Sales.  Snitzel didn't need the help.   Blow it I thought if could be a colt year for the slipper but was totally wrong 1-2-3 to the fillies.
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He needed that Slipper, he is struggling.


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You should be happy with So You Think over the last two days those Djebel.
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Absolutely 😤


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He's come along way, was just reading the first page of this thread. Dropped to $22k per serve in his 4th season.    
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He needed that Slipper, he is struggling.




LOL, I would love to have a horse thats struggling like him Big smile
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