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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote tanbon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 2018 at 12:09pm
This is why I enjoy the forums, so many ways of looking at things?. Really gives a lot of food for thought.
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1 - 8:15AM GROUP 1 & GROUP 2 TRIAL (COURSE PROPER) (800 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting




        Horse     Trainer
        ALIZEE     James Cummings                    
     D’ARGENTO     Chris Waller                         
     INVINCIBLE STAR     Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott                         
     LIBRAN (IRE)     Chris Waller                         
     LUVALUVA (NZ)     John Sargent                         
     PIERATA     Gregory Hickman                    
        SINGLE BULLET     Gary Portelli                         
        SINGLE GAZE     Chris Waller                         
        SUPER TOO     Marc Conners               
        UNFORGOTTEN     Chris Waller
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Not likely to learn too much tomorrow.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Underground Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 3:31pm
Kathy O Hara will be the deciding factor as to whether the horse is right or not. Everyone still upset?
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Originally posted by Underground Underground wrote:

Kathy O Hara will be the deciding factor as to whether the horse is right or not. Everyone still upset?


I’m not sure, but it’s certainly a clever move by Waller to put the onus on her.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VOYAGER Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 4:53pm
More pressure here than on Luke Nolen when riding the Caviar at Ascot, or Bowman on Winx, or Boss on the Diva etc.

This has to be one of the most high pressure trial rides in history!
Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Race 1 - 8:15AM GROUP 1 & GROUP 2 TRIAL (COURSE PROPER) (800 METRES)Times displayed in local time of Race Meeting


Track Name: Main Track Type: Turf Track Condition: Good 4 Time: 0:45.63 Last 600m: 0:32.90 Timing Method: Electronic INTERIM RESULTS

Color     Finish     No.     Horse     Trainer     Jockey     Margin     Bar.     Weight     Penalty     Starting Price
     1     3     INVINCIBLE STAR     Gai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott     Ms Rachel King          0               
     2     9     SUPER TOO     Marc Conners     Ms Winona Costin     0.1L     0               
     3     6     PIERATA     Gregory Hickman     James McDonald     3.9L     0               
     4     2     D’ARGENTO     Chris Waller     Hugh Bowman     12.4L     0               
     5     1     ALIZEE     James Cummings     Jason Collett     14L     0               
     6     5     LUVALUVA (NZ)     John Sargent     Kerrin McEvoy     14.8L     0               
     7     8     SINGLE GAZE     Chris Waller     Ms Kathy O'Hara     17.5L     0               
     8     11     PATRICK ERIN (NZ)     Chris Waller     Jay Ford     17.7L     0               
     9     4     LIBRAN (IRE)     Chris Waller     Lee Magorrian     19.3L     0     
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 11:18am
Not asked for any effort. 

D'Argento trialled brilliantly. He is a tip top horse who will not be managed at all well this spring as he will be aimed at "stallion" races rather than what he should be aimed at.




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haha another one waller has improved Ermm group class to being lapped
just pull the pin. loads to be made at stud. Why both racing on OZ racing/breeding needs mares like her ,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gay3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 1:25pm
Hahah............how often do Wallers' win or place in trials?
Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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It’s a trial, absolutely no pressure.
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They ran 45.63 seconds so the trial was seriously quick.  Waller would've been more than happy for the mare to run 47.5 tops at this stage of her prep.
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Totally agree fwiw, just a walk in the park for her, he will go whichever way she tells it imo.
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No point in sending a supposedly cooked horse out to break records in a 800m trial

Serious horse the winner Invincible Star.
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Second trial only fair or is that harsh? Times were solid enough. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crooked_gambler Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2018 at 9:50pm
Can’t be reading to much into early August trials imo.
Plenty of fish to fry in a couple of months.
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Agree. Wasn't a bad trial - certainly not like Aloisia's before she resumed in Feb.
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I was a bit surprised she wasn't entered for the Cox Plate. Has better form credentials than many locals in the noms.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tanbon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Aug 2018 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by mowie mowie wrote:


haha another one waller has improved Ermm group class to being lapped
just pull the pin. loads to be made at stud. Why both racing on OZ racing/breeding needs mares like her ,

Hasn’t she been sold to Japan?
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Yes.
Apparently for 'breeding purposes'. Not required until January 1 , for said services however.
I am yet to have heard such a claim from an owner based in the Nthn Hemisphere. Unless , of course , she's in foal now. As January 1 in Japan is our August 1.
Curious , wouldn't you say?
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Originally posted by Bagman Bagman wrote:

Yes.
Apparently for 'breeding purposes'. Not required until January 1 , for said services however.
I am yet to have heard such a claim from an owner based in the Nthn Hemisphere. Unless , of course , she's in foal now. As January 1 in Japan is our August 1.
Curious , wouldn't you say?


She was sold off ages ago.   When she was  "retired "  from the tracks here ,  Off to japan.   ( but she trialled on Monday  ) Confused she was, supposedly,, off to Japan to breed. 
Read back thru this entire thread,,,,
And it gets stranger and stranger,,

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As Bagman infers, she was sold after the NH breeding season had completed, so had to wait until February-March 2019 before being bred to NH time.

Under those circumstances I can fully understand the new owners attempting to give her a preparation in Australia this Spring.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bagman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 6:18pm
It's curious. She should have been covered , foaled to Sth Hemi time , THEN , cover to Nthn time. Sure the 1 st foal would be sent back (with Japanese Melb Cup entries?) but you wouldn't have missed a beat.
Now she will be set for Cups or Mares races , quarantine , injections etc go North (January) Japan only requires 7 days min for Q, then it's hormone treatment , lights etc etc no cover til , as Second Chance stated , Late February to March -I reckon late- and then 11-12 mths later foal.....
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How about this... I'll ask her former trainer any questions , within reason , you may have and report back to you.
Genuine questions. Doesn't have to be about Single Gaze. In fact , the less about her might be safer for yours truly
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bagman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:29pm
Anyone? Genuine offer and Nicks agreed to it.
If the Mayor accepts it , I'm hoping it'll be on the home page. Nom de plumes are fine for questions.
It's a good start for those who may want to know things like ..hours worked , travel , first winner , fave jockey, feeds , spells etc etc
I'm keen to know his feed bill or choice thereof. Does he punt? Why does my trainer charge for dental work every -expletive deleted- months. 😀
Over to you , interview/coffee by Thursday next. 😀
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What's the best horse (potentially or otherwise) in his stable?
Which of his can we follow in the next few weeks?
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You’re 15 years old and joined Tbv as a 5yo
Seems legit
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Originally posted by crooked_gambler crooked_gambler wrote:

You’re 15 years old and joined Tbv as a 5yo
Seems legit

Baggy was here earlier than that - Feb 2007 was the changeover from the old forums, so that's the oldest date here but quite a few current members pre-date that. Baggy was a very precocious child, famous for dummy spits but we forgave him as he was still in the cradle.
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