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SkyDancer
Champion Joined: 02 Aug 2014 Location: Cranbourne Status: Offline Points: 8429 |
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She was never officially retired. I just checked her record and her card has never been marked as retired. |
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Shawy38
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I can’t see what the big issue is here... the horse is happy. The new owners are happy.
The old owners lost all there rights when they traded her for a bag of cash... talk about money??? The owners and previous trainer sold out on her. |
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Shawy38
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The world has bigger issues than someone having regret over selling a horse.
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Atreus
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Waller and Weir adding ever more good horses to their stable is bad for the game. They control too many good horses already Time to follow Hong Kong's lead and limit the number of runners per stable. HK's limit is 60 runners per stable. The limit in Australia could be higher than 60 but not massively higher as a trainer does not have time to train much more than 60 The Waller and Weir stables need to be broken up for the good of the game. Do that and this issue is solved as Single Gaze will be one of the first out the door and off to a new trainer
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Second Chance
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beep...beep...beep... this is a recording.
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Shawy38
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The owners send them the horse because they win races. Capping horse numbers on Australia will never happen. It only applies in Hong Kong because of limited space as everyone is crammed into the same location. You could not possibly jam every horse trainer in Australia into Flemington could you? |
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3blindmice
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Good to see you back in your very best form Overseer. How's the corruption stuff coming along? You've been wrong so often you're way overdue. Feel free to explain how my invitation to Bonjour is a personal attack whenever you get some spare time away from your naval gazing conspiracy invention.
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Shawy38
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Sounds like you’re just jealous
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Bonjour
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Nah 3BM, Prior is the flea, Waller though re-hired the flea, you see you hang with them you hang with them.......what a low life Prior is/was, it was one of the lowest tricks in racing, however we are digressing 3BM, the contentious issue here is, I'm wondering if there is any trainer out there that would stand morally and politely deflect Mr Yoshida by pointing out the mare was reputed to be 'finished as a racing prop' and would be better suited being let down and covered by a leading stallion and heading off to a lovely green paddock'...well that was what Nick thought.....I would have liked to see Waller take that road, he would have risen in my estimation, instead he took the mercenary road 3BM....many would, but I'd ride shotgun for those that may not......I've said my piece, I will ride off now, but I can hear the posse, can I outrun them, the devil loves a Lynch mob, Chris knows that.
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3blindmice
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I love your passion for horses Bonjour even if I don't agree with many of your comments.
Prior made a terrible decision, no doubt egged on by the far "wiser" other party involved. I don't know the bloke, doubt very much you do, but if Waller and others think he deserved another chance then I'll go with their judgement because they know the bloke well. Your bias has you attacking the wrong bloke here though I reckon. IF giving Single Gaze one last prep is an issue (don't see why it would be) then why aren't you flogging the bloke who apparently broke a verbal agreement and is actually the one pulling the strings. Can't see much if anything wrong in Waller's actions but I can see that he's the meat in the sandwich. If SG shows no enthusiasm they'll pull the pin. Waller's undoubtedly a better trainer than Olive so who knows he might get her a deserved G1 win although I doubt it myself.
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Softy
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Question for those who follow sales prices /breeding more closely than I.
Would there have been much of a price discrepancy if she had been sold as a racing/breeding proposition as against a breeding proposition only? |
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VOYAGER
Champion Joined: 03 Aug 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 18737 |
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Just taking a line through the recent sales on the gold coast Softy.
If you see a mare like silent sedition go for $1.5 million I think it was, then Single Gaze would have to be close to her price that Yoshida brought her for of $1.6 million. I am huge fan of both mares, and I would say the owners have lost about $200,000 at most, by not going through the sale ring! |
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Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
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Softy
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Cheers thanks Voyager, i wasn’t sure of her purchase price or if others thought it represented fair value in light of recent events.
Mr Yoshida may end up with a cheap broodmare or Nick Olive May be vindicated in his decision to retire her. It would be interesting to hear his thoughts on why he thought she should be retired ( not sure if it was mentioned in radio links provided ). As we know everything in racing is a gamble so hopefully all parties will come out in front. |
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acacia alba
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Stuff like this ^ is like kindergarten time . You tried telling me ?? Like I would listen to you . Of all the people on here you would be the last person I would pay any attention to.
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animals before people.
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Gay3
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Please refrain from personal attacks
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Sister Dot
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3blindmice, my thoughts exactly. The Australian public are behind this grand little mare and those of us who love racing and do so mainly because we admire the majesty and heart of the TB would abhor seeing this girl go astray. Especially when the sellers felt she should no longer be on the track. Single Gaze epitomises the Aussies love for a special character. Those who see it all as nothing but a cleverly conducted ruse and business transaction should perhaps invest their time, money and business acumen in something that does not feel, oblige and breathe?
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JudgeHolden
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Hard to see a race for her. Tries her guts out but continually comes up short at WFA as she has no turn of foot. A Cups campaign would look flat out mean, IMO.
Epsom or Toorak, perhaps? |
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Shawy38
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He will probably race her in the same races as Winx
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Lordy
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You're right. She's going to be hard to place. Myer Classic might be the go. Set weights isn't it? Alternatively some of the Sydney WFA races. Craven are worth good money. Or Follow Winks and race for 2nd as most good ones will dodge her. |
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Sister Dot
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Sorry,Didn’t mean it as personal, just how I see it. Not aimed at anybody in particular. I just tend to be candid. We spend time and money in the industry because we enjoy the atmosphere and respect the horses. It’s a shame you can’t trust people to do the right thing, which is what happened here. An agreement not put in writing is still an agreement? Anyway, what will be, will be
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Shawy38
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They did have an agreement in writing, it was to transfer both racing and breeding rights to the purchaser. |
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acacia alba
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Have you actually seen that written agreement, or are you just saying ?
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animals before people.
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rusty nails
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They sold it for well over a million bucks. Nothing has been raised to suggest there is any reason why it's unreasonable to give her another prep. He didn't miss her in her last prep, now she's too fragile to even contemplate racing her again? |
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mc41
Champion Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Location: Goldcoast Au Status: Offline Points: 5027 |
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Apparently was a verbal agreement not to race
If the now owner can't keep his word then shame on him |
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Shawy38
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That’s what was on the contract of sale. The clause to sell breeding rights only and exclude racing rights was not included. Therefore the purchaser has exclusive rights to the horse |
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Shawy38
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Rule 1 when selling something is Always get it in writing |
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acacia alba
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So you have actually seen this in black and white, Shawy ? Or are you repeating what another person has said ?
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animals before people.
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Shawy38
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I have it on very good authority, from a party involved. |
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3blindmice
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Certainly appears to be one party's understanding MC.
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monty1
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To be honest, I think Nick ran her into the ground. Really, did you need to run this girl in The Melbourne Cup? So for him to say that she had nothing left, that was on his watch. He is in the ownership so he took the $$$$$ so stop sooking and move on!
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