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Originally posted by bradjm bradjm wrote:

Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

Originally posted by Daraabah Daraabah wrote:

Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

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Yes, but he had already produced just about ALL his Group winners on lesser service fees prior to 2013 before he was actively managed by Darley Aust at the precise time of his decline. He had his chance. He proved himself. Darley 'management' interfered and things changed. Pattern probably repeated with other stallions, other matings and given the tone of another thread, in other 'areas' aswell. Poor Sheikh, getting screwed BIG TIME on all fronts.

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He didn't prove himself he was not able to achieve a good enough Winners to Runners ratio and still cannot.

He failed because he was not good enough - Period!


<p ="Msonormal">You can refer to ratios all you like but when a stallion
gets group winners, full books, mares turned away and has a fee increase AFTER
his progeny hit the track, he is ‘proven’.<o:p></o:p>



Statistics or ratios as you call them make or break a stallion.

He has proven he can throw a good horse.

He has also proven he unable to consistently sire enough winners to be successful at a large stud which broke him.




Just to burst your bubble winner to foals Street boss and domesday are about even. [/QUOTE]

Fake News😂
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Says who ?  Quote your source . 
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Says who ?  Quote your source . 


Stallions.com.au

Actually I tell a lie Domesday is a little better at 48.3% vs street boss 46%

Quarter of the price , more winners per foals, and three G1 winners, which for comparison is one less than Sebring who has had 200 more foals
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Stallions.com do not use that criteria as suggested.

But eh making up your own criteria sounds like a good idea when accessing a stallion.

Domesdays Winners to Runners is 58%, that is why he didn't make it.
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There are plenty of options around the under 10k mark after dealing.

        Winners to runners
Bel Esprit       68%
Casino Prince    66%
Duporth          71%
Holy Roman Emp   67%
Magic Albert     68%

and more of course....



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What would you suggest Bel Esprit could be got at Paul ? giving some thought to using him but at advertised fee its not going to happen. Cheers Slowdown
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About 8k mate.

He's seems an attractive option for a breed to race.
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Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

Stallions.com do not use that criteria as suggested.

But eh making up your own criteria sounds like a good idea when accessing a stallion.

Domesdays Winners to Runners is 58%, that is why he didn't make it.


Oh yes they do
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Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

About 8k mate.

He's seems an attractive option for a breed to race.

Cheers for that. worth doing at that price
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No worries.

Alpine Eagle looks a nice get for Tas hope he makes it.

High Chapparel & Zabeel blood, it doesn't get much better than that.
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Originally posted by bradjm bradjm wrote:

Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

Stallions.com do not use that criteria as suggested.

But eh making up your own criteria sounds like a good idea when accessing a stallion.

Domesdays Winners to Runners is 58%, that is why he didn't make it.


Oh yes they do


I think the main reason is that stat can be deceptive because it depends on how the foal is raised.

Apparently some do not feed properly which shouldn't be a surprise I suppose.
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Originally posted by Paul Hogan Paul Hogan wrote:

No worries.

Alpine Eagle looks a nice get for Tas hope he makes it.

High Chapparel & Zabeel blood, it doesn't get much better than that.

100 plus mares in his first season with plenty of mainland support too. we have Sh'bourne Spirit in foal to him with the intent of selling.... 

Needs Further really doing the job too. took out two feature races last night with the 2 year old race setting a new track record....
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Originally posted by bradjm bradjm wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Says who ?  Quote your source . 


Stallions.com.au

Actually I tell a lie Domesday is a little better at 48.3% vs street boss 46%

Quarter of the price , more winners per foals, and three G1 winners, which for comparison is one less than Sebring who has had 200 more foals


That smart remark was meant for Paul/Jim,  not you, Bradjim. Sorry.
I dont mind Domesday at all.  For the price and the right mare I think he is a good deal, and i like the look of him.
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Sepoy will improve as people who aren't fashion breeders step into him with their mares, be has a chance to reinvent himself given the right conditions IMHO. Not all is lost possibly.
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Like alpine Eagle great blood and had enormous ability
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yes Brad, a fantastic pickup for Tassie breeding. Just missed in the Australian Guineas. i think had he won we would never had seen him down here. he ran sideways up the straight and probably cost himself the race. I know the Mr Blass was very kind in his dealings and thus he is now down in Tassie. Perhaps one day Tasmanian Breeding may owe him a very big thankyou.
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dont want to take over the sepoy thread with another stallion but will say on youtube if you search the Alpine Eagle Racing promotion you will see a great add for the boy.
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Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Sepoy will improve as people who aren't fashion breeders step into him with their mares, be has a chance to reinvent himself given the right conditions IMHO. Not all is lost possibly.

I think this is a very good point!
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Originally posted by Sir Gov Sir Gov wrote:

Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Sepoy will improve as people who aren't fashion breeders step into him with their mares, be has a chance to reinvent himself given the right conditions IMHO. Not all is lost possibly.


I think this is a very good point!


18 individual winners in January, well done young fella, we have lift off.
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He's got some nice 2yos to follow in the next 12-18 months.. assuming they're better older..

Native Soldier (15c, Belong to Me, Snippets). 2 wins at 2 in 2017-18, MVRC Turf Legends Board Game 2YO P., 3d MRC Blue Diamond Prelude (c&g), Gr.3.

Fullazaboot (15c, Redoute's Choice, Kenmare). Winner at 2 in 2017-18, A$421,000, BRC Breast Cancer Network Australia 2YO H., 2d GCTC Magic Millions 2YO Classic, RL, BRC Sky Racing 2YO H.

and of course, the filly out of the 1/2 to Winx... nice first start from her...

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Steve Hewlett reports on Twitter that Fullazaboot has been sold to Hong Kong for seven figures.

Good trade results like that won't harm the reputation.
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Originally posted by goldey goldey wrote:

Sepoy will improve as people who aren't fashion breeders step into him with their mares, be has a chance to reinvent himself given the right conditions IMHO. Not all is lost possibly.


I think it's more of a case that he is a little more seasoned.

Not sure he will make it, hope he does cos thought he would.

Nothing to do with getting cheaper mares or unfashionable mares as you call it imo.
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To stand in Vic this season at an advertised fee of $11k which is a huge come-down from his initial $66k.  Reckon he might attract 60 or so mares, depending +/- on how he finishes this season.

Have a mare that theoretically matches well with him, but will certainly be playing hard-ball in any negotiations.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

To stand in Vic this season at an advertised fee of $11k which is a huge come-down from his initial $66k.  Reckon he might attract 60 or so mares, depending +/- on how he finishes this season.

Have a mare that theoretically matches well with him, but will certainly be playing hard-ball in any negotiations.


Same boat as you, they deal well usually and $11 can hopefully be $7.7. Should’ve come to Vic sooner imo
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

To stand in Vic this season at an advertised fee of $11k which is a huge come-down from his initial $66k.  Reckon he might attract 60 or so mares, depending +/- on how he finishes this season.

Have a mare that theoretically matches well with him, but will certainly be playing hard-ball in any negotiations.


Same boat as you, they deal well usually and $11 can hopefully be $7.7. Should’ve come to Vic sooner imo
 
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Originally posted by Bi Carb Bi Carb wrote:

Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

To stand in Vic this season at an advertised fee of $11k which is a huge come-down from his initial $66k.  Reckon he might attract 60 or so mares, depending +/- on how he finishes this season.

Have a mare that theoretically matches well with him, but will certainly be playing hard-ball in any negotiations.


Same boat as you, they deal well usually and $11 can hopefully be $7.7. Should’ve come to Vic sooner imo

 
If you hang out you will get it


It'd be late season, you can pretty much name your price.
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I have had my eye on a nice Sepoy 3 y/o filly whom I think if conditions suit will prove very hard to beat in the forthcoming AJC OAKS, of course the ultra smart Aloisia will be the big stumbling block, but if the tracks are traditionally anywhere near soft she will acquit herself well , she has always seemed behind the eight ball in her preps, this may be her time to shine,...Miss Admiration is her name.

Well she acquitted herself admirably , a fighting 3rd @ 125/1, and was strong on the line, I feel she might put something on his shelve.
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Well picked mate.  Clap

Except she's by Sebring.  Wink
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Well picked mate.  Clap

Except she's by Sebring.  Wink

OH NO, what a fool i am , my apologies, why didn't I pick this up sooner!!
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