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He may not have had a winner but he has had off the top of my head 3 very very very very very promising types.




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They should be good. He had the better mares
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Not even halfway through the season yet. Plenty of time left to see how they measure up. Don't go jumping off the edge of the cliff just yet.
We're talking about sales popularity here.  These sales come up half way through the year and the market reacts to early season performances.  

If you like him then it might be a good time to buy a yearling.  Like the vast majority of new sires the best value often comes with their 2nd crop.  If he throws a couple of good ones then the prices will be back up the following year.
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Originally posted by subastral subastral wrote:



Are they going to put him on a ladder to reach the tall mares, or will he only serve short ones like him??


Is he going to serve Giraffes is he?

He is 16hh, hardly small.
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beginning to wonder of he likes General Nediym mares, 

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This bloke is on fire, got a third place at Bendigo yesterday.

His progeny at the moment are tending to be of Elusive Quality.
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Reinforcing Sepoy's female line by using Canny Lad and also the horse Tourbillon, on the male line of  many mares lower in the pedigree (to line breed to Mr Prospector,) could be a good way to maximize ones money spent with this stallion.



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Happened quiet a bit in his first crop. Look at the MM catalogue from last year
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yes will be very interesting to see the results as years go by, the success or failure he has with mares carrying Canny Lad.

Rothesay and Ghibellines in New Zealand will have a similar pattern

When Zabeel's female line (that of Le Filou) was reinforced using Vice Regal mares that stallion produced a Group One winner 1 in every 8 named foals, way above his own average of  1 in 30 odd. 

Like wise when Redoute's Choice has his female line reinforced with Last Tycoon mares his average of producing a Group One winner jumps to 1 in 13 in stead of 1 in nearly every 40

If I was paying 66k or 100k  I would certainly want more than a 1 in 40 chance
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Hello,
as remainder, Herbager ( see Star Appeal) belongs to the same damline, if you go   a bit further back
the damline.
 
From the same branch of Fam. 16 is Detroit and her son Carnegie (sent to NZ).
Even for me it was surprise, the "Spicebox" Family  once had a "hoof" in my homecountry. The Sire Espace Vital (by Oleander) was bred  at the "Schlenderhan Stud" during the 1940's, but raced in France and found the way to South America. He was  a good Sire in Chile. Anyhow he found the way back to Germany, see the ped (damline) of the good 2 yearold "Palang" an Import from the U.S.
 
When i had a look Vice Regal, I see he was by Bismark (a former German Statesman from the 19th Century), his dam sire is Wilwyn and trace, guess who to Oleander and his damline is related with Literat, Lando, Lovelyn, because "Lovely Rosa" is a HS of "Lovely Naples", the foundationmare in Germany.
 
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IMHO he will have much, much more success as a broodmare sire.
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Originally posted by Ticino Ticino wrote:

Hello,
as remainder, Herbager ( see Star Appeal) belongs to the same damline, if you go   a bit further back
the damline.
 
From the same branch of Fam. 16 is Detroit and her son Carnegie (sent to NZ).

The family is also represented by Zabeel with Sepoy carrying the same cross as Zabeel in Sir Ivor over Spicebox.
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Sepoys - First winner?

Moonee Valley friday night Race 2 No 1 Henriques I think will be his first winner.

I must say i know nothing about this horse how he has been going etc!
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Sepoy bred stakes place getter today.

Still got whooped by Honesty Prevails.
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New fee: $12.5k
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They know what they are dealing with in Europe.

Desert Water very impressive on debut over a MILE at Goodwood.

DESERT WATER  (IRE) b. F, 2014 {1-m} DP = 2-6-10-0-0 (18) DI = 2.60   CD = 0.56
SEPOY (AUS)
ch. 2008
ELUSIVE QUALITY (USA)
b. 1993
GONE WEST (USA)
br. 1984 [IC]
MR. PROSPECTOR (USA)
b. 1970 [BC]
RAISE A NATIVE (USA)ch. 1961
GOLD DIGGER (USA)b. 1962 *
SECRETTAME (USA)
ch. 1978
SECRETARIAT (USA)ch. 1970 [IC]
TAMERETT (USA)dkb/br. 1962 *
TOUCH OF GREATNESS (USA)
b. 1986
HERO'S HONOR (USA)
b. 1980
NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC]
GLOWING TRIBUTE (USA)b. 1973 *
IVORY WAND (USA)
b. 1973
SIR IVOR (USA) b. 1965 [IC]
NATASHKA (USA)dkb/br. 1963 *
WATCHFUL (AUS)
b. 2001
DANEHILL (USA)
b. 1986
DANZIG (USA)
b. 1977 [IC]
 NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC]
PAS DE NOM (USA)br. 1968
RAZYANA (USA)
b. 1981
HIS MAJESTY (USA)b. 1968 [C]
SPRING ADIEU (CAN)b. 1974
CANNY MISS (AUS)
ch. 1991
MARSCAY (AUS)
ch. 1979
BISCAY (AUS)ch. 1965
HEART OF MARKET (USA)b. 1967
JESMOND LASS (AUS)
ch. 1975
LUNCHTIME (GB)ch. 1970
BEAUTIFUL DREAMER (AUS)gr. 1967
DESERT SUNRISE (GB)
b. 2010
GREEN DESERT (USA)
br. 1983
DANZIG (USA)
b. 1977 [IC]
 NORTHERN DANCER (CAN)
b. 1961 [BC]
 NEARCTIC (CAN)br. 1954
NATALMA (USA)b. 1957 *
PAS DE NOM (USA)
br. 1968
ADMIRALS VOYAGE (USA)dkb/br. 1959
PETITIONER (GB)b. 1952 *
FOREIGN COURIER (USA)
b. 1979
SIR IVOR (USA)
b. 1965 [IC]
 SIR GAYLORD (USA)br. 1959 [IC]
ATTICA (USA)ch. 1953 *
COURTLY DEE (USA)*
dkb/br. 1968
NEVER BEND (USA)br. 1960 [BI]
TULLE (USA)b. 1950
DOROTHEA BROOKE (IRE)
b. 1992
DANCING BRAVE (USA)
b. 1983
LYPHARD (USA)
b. 1969 [C]
NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC]
GOOFED (USA)ch. 1960 *
NAVAJO PRINCESS (USA)
b. 1974
DRONE (USA)gr. 1966
OLMEC (USA)ch. 1966 *
CONNAUGHT BRIDGE (IRE)
ch. 1976
CONNAUGHT (GB)
b. 1965
ST PADDY (GB)b. 1957
NAGAIKA (FR)ch. 1954
FISHERMANS BRIDGE (GB)
b. 1970
CREPELLO (GB)ch. 1954

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They're also running against comparatively bad two year olds. Our horses are much more developed at 2. 
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well as the sepoys overseas are doing their growing and developing overseas they would be in the same boat as those overseas.  Had a nice G3 winner the other day - again trained by Mark Johnston.  He seems to know how to get the best out of both the Sepoys and Helmets.  Just because ours are more advanced doesn't mean that travels overseas.  We have a different environment for the young horses to grow in.
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The early season 2yo races and some of those Irish 2yo races are less competitive than ours that is for sure but I could not be sure their 2yos are less advanced than ours.

They do have a good few sires who virtually specialise as 2yo sires.






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Amusing 2yo race in Kempton.  Sepoy 1st, Exceed and Excel 2nd, Sepoy 3rd then an out and out Engish 2yo sire Dark Angel 4th
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Can be pretty confident nobody will be paying $1m plus for his yearlings in the upcoming season.
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Has 3 of the 4 starters in a quality conditions race at Newbury in the early hours, including the best horse he has so far produced. Dabyah. She looks a potential star. This contest is being run on quite a deep heavy track.




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DABYAH (IRE)Bay filly 2014 
Sepoy
Chestnut 2008
Elusive Quality
Bay 1993
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Secrettame
Chestnut 1978
Secretariat
Tamerett
1970
1962
2-s
2-f
Touch of Greatness
Bay 1986
Hero's Honor
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Glowing Tribute
1961
1973
2-d
1-s
Ivory Wand
Bay 1973
Sir Ivor
Natashka
1965
1963
8-g
13-c
Watchful
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Canny Miss
Chestnut 1991
Marscay
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Heart of Market
1965
1967
2-o
4-m
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Samdaniya
Bay or brown 2004
Machiavellian
Bay or brown 1987
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Chestnut 1961
Native Dancer
Raise You
1950
1946
5-f
8-f
Gold Digger
Bay 1962
Nashua
Sequence
1952
1946
3-m
13-c
Coup de Folie
Bay 1982
Halo
Bay or brown 1969
Hail to Reason
Cosmah
1958
1953
4-n
2-d
Raise the Standard
Bay 1978
Hoist the Flag
Natalma
1968
1957
5-i
2-d
Cloud Castle
Bay 1995
In the Wings
Bay 1986
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
High Hawk
Bay 1980
Shirley Heights
Sunbittern
1975
1970
1-l
9-e
Lucayan Princess
Bay 1983
High Line
Chestnut 1966
High Hat
Time Call
1957
1955
2-o
5-e
Gay France
Bay 1976
Sir Gaylord
Sweet and Lovely
1959
1963
2-s
7-a
 Ancestor duplications:Mr Prospector4m x 3m Northern Dancer5m,5m x 5m


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DESERT WATER (IRE)
Bay filly 2014 
Sepoy
Chestnut 2008
Elusive Quality
Bay 1993
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Secrettame
Chestnut 1978
Secretariat
Tamerett
1970
1962
2-s
2-f
Touch of Greatness
Bay 1986
Hero's Honor
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Glowing Tribute
1961
1973
2-d
1-s
Ivory Wand
Bay 1973
Sir Ivor
Natashka
1965
1963
8-g
13-c
Watchful
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Canny Miss
Chestnut 1991
Marscay
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Heart of Market
1965
1967
2-o
4-m
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Desert Sunrise
Bay 2010
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Foreign Courier
Bay 1979
Sir Ivor
Bay 1965
Sir Gaylord
Attica
1959
1953
2-s
8-g
Courtly Dee
Bay or brown 1968
Never Bend
Tulle
1960
1950
19-b
A4
Dorothea Brooke
Bay 1992
Dancing Brave
Bay 1983
Lyphard
Bay 1969
Northern Dancer
Goofed
1961
1960
2-d
17-b
Navajo Princess
Bay 1974
Drone
Olmec
1966
1966
1-l
3-d
Connaught Bridge
Chestnut 1976
Connaught
Bay 1965
St Paddy
Nagaika
1957
1954
14-c
4-h
Fishermans Bridge
Bay 1970
Crepello
Riva
1954
1964
16-d
1-m
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 4m,5m Sir Ivor5f x 4f Danzig4m x 3m


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Nancy Hartbay filly 2014 
Sepoy (AUS)
Chestnut 2008
Elusive Quality
Bay 1993
Gone West
Bay 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Secrettame
Chestnut 1978
Secretariat
Tamerett
1970
1962
2-s
2-f
Touch of Greatness
Bay 1986
Hero's Honor
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Glowing Tribute
1961
1973
2-d
1-s
Ivory Wand
Bay 1973
Sir Ivor
Natashka
1965
1963
8-g
13-c
Watchful
Bay 2001
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Canny Miss
Chestnut 1991
Marscay
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Heart of Market
1965
1967
2-o
4-m
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Lucky Token (IRE)
Grey 2003
Key of Luck
Bay or brown 1991
Chief's Crown
Bay 1982
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Six Crowns
Chestnut 1976
Secretariat
Chris Evert
1970
1971
2-s
23-b
Balbonella
Brown 1984
Gay Mecene
Bay or brown 1975
Vaguely Noble
Gay Missile
1965
1967
1-d
3-l
Bamieres
Brown 1978
Riverman
Bergamasque
1969
1969
10-a
1-n
Shawanni
Grey 1993
Shareef Dancer
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Sweet Alliance
Bay 1974
Sir Ivor
Mrs Peterkin
1965
1965
8-g
4-r
Negligent
Grey 1987
Ahonoora
Chestnut 1975
Lorenzaccio
Helen Nichols
1965
1966
5-h
1-m
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote djebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Sep 2016 at 10:05am
Dabyah won like the good filly she is. Desert Water let the side down.



STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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He had two winners yesterday Djebel.  The other won by 2 1/4 lens.  Executive Force who is out of a Cape Cross mare.
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