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    Posted: 26 Feb 2016 at 5:14pm
This practice should be outlawed.

Connections should only be allowed to scratch due to injury and or illness.




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Why?
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Agree, although wide gate is often advantageous.

What about track condition djebel?
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The irony is the dumb bawstards are sometimes doing themselves no favours, there are tracks/distances where it is better to be drawn off the track. The old Pakenham track was a classic example.
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Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Agree, although wide gate is often advantageous.

What about track condition djebel?

In Japan they can not scratch for any reason other than injury and or illness. Track conditions are not an issue there and should not be an issue here either.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Agree, although wide gate is often advantageous.

What about track condition djebel?

In Japan they can not scratch for any reason other than injury and or illness. Track conditions are not an issue there and should not be an issue here either.


A fair point but Japan doesn't have the aversion to firm tracks that we do.

I'm inclined to agree although they'd be alot of winging about being forced to run on dangerous surfaces and wet tracks would destroy horses early in their preps.
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I guess I don't know enough about the issue but I reckon a horse should be looked after in a prep and if a wide gate is going to harm the prep for whatever reason then it's fair to pull out with enough notice given.
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What a load of droppings.
Trainers can scratch for any reason they like, deal with it.

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Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

What a load of droppings.
Trainers can scratch for any reason they like, deal with it.


I would like that changed.




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Well it is not going to change any time soon.

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Terrible idea.
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Nonsense suggestion.

If ours draws outside, as an owner I should be entitled to the right to scratch and race elsewhere under more advantageous conditions.  

Same with a deterioration of track conditions.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Nonsense suggestion.

If ours draws outside, as an owner I should be entitled to the right to scratch and race elsewhere under more advantageous conditions.  

Same with a deterioration of track conditions.
Why?
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They are ganging up on you now, djebel !
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Sneck and I can handle ourselves.

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Owners lose enough as it is, the last thing they need is a mandatory start regardless of barrier, underfoot conditions etc.. Total waste of a run & 7 - 14 days worth of training fees if they're not suited, not to mention the possibility of overtaxing the horse...............oh & what about the ever complaining punter who believes it was still a viable proposition, when unbeknown to him, connections would've scratched were the option available Confused Disapprove
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Why not stagger the barriers as the do the lanes in athletics
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Owners lose enough as it is, the last thing they need is a mandatory start regardless of barrier, underfoot conditions etc.. Total waste of a run & 7 - 14 days worth of training fees if they're not suited, not to mention the possibility of overtaxing the horse...............oh & what about the ever complaining punter who believes it was still a viable proposition, when unbeknown to him, connections would've scratched were the option available Confused Disapprove
Well, scratching has a negative impact on the upcoming race.

Everyone will be in the same boat and the trainers will adapt, it might actually help them improve their methods.

Do punters have an issue with this? Everyone always tells me they don't like smaller fields or late scratching ruining pre post betting markets.
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Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Nonsense suggestion.

If ours draws outside, as an owner I should be entitled to the right to scratch and race elsewhere under more advantageous conditions.  
Same with a deterioration of track conditions.
Why?

Three reasons: because
 
a. I'm paying the bills
b. it's surely my right to select the most appropriate race whether it be a maiden or a Group1
c. it's not Racing administration's job to tell me where and when to race.

There's actually another reason but I'll hold that back for a bit.

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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Nonsense suggestion.

If ours draws outside, as an owner I should be entitled to the right to scratch and race elsewhere under more advantageous conditions.  
Same with a deterioration of track conditions.
Why?

Three reasons: because
 
a. I'm paying the bills
b. it's surely my right to select the most appropriate race whether it be a maiden or a Group1
c. it's not Racing administration's job to tell me where and when to race.

There's actually another reason but I'll hold that back for a bit.


It works well in Japan.

Nothing stopping you picking and choosing where your horse accepts, just stopping you from scratching for no good reason.




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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Nonsense suggestion.

If ours draws outside, as an owner I should be entitled to the right to scratch and race elsewhere under more advantageous conditions.  
Same with a deterioration of track conditions.
Why?

Three reasons: because
 
a. I'm paying the bills
b. it's surely my right to select the most appropriate race whether it be a maiden or a Group1
c. it's not Racing administration's job to tell me where and when to race.

There's actually another reason but I'll hold that back for a bit.

It's a privilege to race your horse, I don't believe you have those rights, although you would still be able to select the most appropriate race abiding by any scheduling concerns.
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Why do we need to compare our industry to the Japanese again?

If I want my horse scratched because of a wide barrier, then as a licensed trainer I will withdraw that horse.


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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Why do we need to compare our industry to the Japanese again?

If I want my horse scratched because of a wide barrier, then as a licensed trainer I will withdraw that horse.



Well that is rather obvious, But if the rules said you couldn't than you wouldn't.

Its not comparing racing with Japan, its saying if it can be done in one place than it can be done elsewhere.




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If the rules said I couldn't, I would still do it. I would just get the Vet to sign a certificate to say the horse is ill. Slip him an extra $50 and all sweet.  Happens all the time.
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I don't get it. What's wrong with it??
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? having a whinge because a horse has been taken out tomorrow
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Crazy
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Why should it be outlawed?
No problem with a horse being withdrawn if the trainer thinks it can't win.
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Originally posted by stayer stayer wrote:

I don't get it. What's wrong with it??
Yep, not sure what the argument is against.
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There should be no racing rights money paid in all in markets.Geek That is the natural corollary of the owners' unconditional right to scratch.
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