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Dog breeders are strange people.   I know more than a few who breed various types .  Also friends with 5 or 6 who show dogs regularly.   And also with some who judge at dog shows.
Trust me.  Dog people are even stranger than horse people, by a long way. 
Those dogs looked in good nik but the conditions looked horrible.    Why on earth would anyone in their right mind have 110 dogs !!!Wacko
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote anabel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 10:59pm
It seems the RSPCA are selling the dogs for an “adoption” fee of $1500! No wonder they are copping heat over this. What a rort, regardless of the situation they “rescued” them from. Once again, it seems they only act when it’s in their best interests.
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It does appear to be legit this time
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote furious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 8:35am
No the same thing or similar thing happened to the person I was talking about.  They just do everything they can do to shut down people who are doing nothing wrong.  This is there livelyhood and probably they are doing it because they love dogs.  

The dogs belonging to other people is similar.  The rescue dogs is similar.  The self interest by the RSPCA and the crowing - is similar.  They don't care about the dogs anymore they care about the money and notoriety.

So people who don't have to funds to go up against them.  All the money has to go back into the dogs sit in court and get charged for living a life they loved.  They tell whoopers in court and no one can say a word or they are sued.  The one I know about has a neighbour who knew how well her dogs were treated and how she helped anyone who needed help with a problem dog and could get to the issue.  She saw alot of what happened but her testimonial couldn't be read.  No she would of been sued.  My testimonial of what I saw only two weeks before the raid had to be very careful also.  It pretty much said the opposite of everything the RSPCA was saying about her in court.

So yes I believe they can be that petty.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote furious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 8:38am
If you read it AA she didn't usually have 110 dogs.  Some were they escaping fires closer to their homes.  Then this house also came under threat.  But surely the owners of those dogs can walk in and get them back.  I do know someone who had dogs with my friend who walked in and demanded her dogs and got them back.  So they do back down sometimes.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote furious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 8:50am
I do agree that dog breeders are well different is a kind word.  They live for their dogs though.  Well the one I know did.  The cruel thing is she can no longer breed and she had lines of dashhounds which were unique also.  I don't find them my favourite breed and she loves them.  But with everything desexed those lines have also been lost.

It would be like an old stud like Widden being raided and all the mares desexed.  Some old AUstralian lines only found in their paddocks would be lost.  So what some would say.  I say you loose out on unique properties that those lines carried.  In a world which is getting smaller by the minuet any difference can become very important in keeping certain breeds healthy.

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Thanks Einstein Smile there's a world of difference between the 2 'stories Shocked
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote furious Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 9:36am
And once again pictures tell a story which can also be set up folks.  With my friend they took pictures of the dogs in the RSPCA cage!  Not their runs so that tells a story also.
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Yes thanks Einstein.

"Many more people then blindly, or maliciously, re-publish this information. They either don’t question what is written, regardless of how nonsensical it might seem, or they stand to benefit from grandstanding and having their moment in the spotlight."

Standard approach used by aholes to spread disinformaton. Read this, you couldn't invent it, but he did and plenty swallowed it no matter how obviously ridiculous he made it.
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Originally posted by Einstein Einstein wrote:


https://www.rspcaqld.org.au/blog/fact-check/bull-terrier-raid-get-the-facts?fbclid=IwAR2CKI5eegIKPO4-_rNo9VV72X0YZQB6PwmOTHhNKV-55p43s49omek9gpI


“Perhaps the most dangerous of these is that it gives a voice to people who do not know the facts, or the facts do not suit their personal agenda. So they make up their own version without thinking of the harm they are causing to good people and the helpless animals who rely on them for their care and wellbeing.”

I wish they and their cohorts would follow their own advice on that one and stop misleading the general public about horse racing.
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What specifically did you have in mind?
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Yes thanks Einstein.

"Many more people then blindly, or maliciously, re-publish this information. They either don’t question what is written, regardless of how nonsensical it might seem, or they stand to benefit from grandstanding and having their moment in the spotlight."

Standard approach used by aholes to spread disinformaton. Read this, you couldn't invent it, but he did and plenty swallowed it no matter how obviously ridiculous he made it.

Idiocracy  good term and we have our own idiocrat on this very site,  hint 9,11,13 Smile
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

What specifically did you have in mind?


Quoting old and since disproved research on wastage, scaring people with tongue ties and pretty much everything their doctor had to say on the 4 corners piece.

In this case their story sounds a bit more plausible than the dog owner’s but when they’ve been found untruthful in their dealings with racing it’s not a stretch to imagine them lying here too.
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Sorry if I offend.  I don't have an agenda.  I love animals but I've seen a different side also.  I was pro RSPCA.  They not only let me down they let the animals down.  Also many good people left because of the change of policy.  

They are too powerful with no one able to say think about the harm you are doing to people also.

Animals are important and you help the people to help both.  My friend was capable of looking after her dogs.  No issue in care or attention.  They used power and lies and she is only now overcoming the depression they sent her into.  She didn't have the money to plead innocent.  So because of that she is guilty when she wasn't!  She couldn't defend herself or even tell what happened during the raid.

How is that fair folks.
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It’s not fair at all
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Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

What specifically did you have in mind?


Quoting old and since disproved research on wastage, scaring people with tongue ties and pretty much everything their doctor had to say on the 4 corners piece.

In this case their story sounds a bit more plausible than the dog owner’s but when they’ve been found untruthful in their dealings with racing it’s not a stretch to imagine them lying here too.

Some links please.

The industry "research" on wastage - discussed on here previously - is a crock of shyte and will be until proper lifetime tracking and auditing is introduced. They have no interest in knowing the facts until the numbers improve. Understandable but dishonest nevertheless.

Tongue ties have been banned in some sports and in other racing jurisdictions I believe. There is also a study (which I can't be bothered finding) which examines the negative effects on racehorses. People on here have reported the results of inexperienced/uncaring people fitting them iirc. The issue is far from simple. 

Can't recall what their rep said on the 4C report but I do recall there being nothing particularly controversial said by anyone. The whole report was a naive but unintended whitewash. Racing got off very light.

The RSPCA and its staff have flaws, but the reality is that they haven't gone hard on racing at all.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Thanks Einstein Smile there's a world of difference between the 2 'stories Shocked

Maybe that's because one of them is a complete fantasy. The bullsh!t fairly drips from it. You need to stop with the facebook feeds. It's embarrassing.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Thanks Einstein Smile there's a world of difference between the 2 'stories Shocked


Maybe that's because one of them is a complete fantasy. The bullsh!t fairly drips from it. You need to stop with the facebook feeds. It's embarrassing.
We have to keep our eye on the RSPCA though Judge . They have pretty wide ranging powers as far as things like accessing private property goes. Where the police would need a warrant the RSPCA inspectors don’t . This of course is necessary to protect animals but if you get a power crazy inspector with a grudge it’s simply not right. Furious is correct that most people find it easier to just cop the fine and move on. I think we have to hold these Inspectors to account. But having said that in this particular case I agree the dog owners story is a bit implausible.
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