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    Posted: 26 Aug 2019 at 8:02pm
Terms are used a lot what do they actually mean ? I see the right as regressive,conservative, selfish, uncaring , the left as socially aware,progressive,fair minded. I may be slightly biased Smile

The political term right-wing was first used during the French Revolution, when liberal deputies of the Third Estate generally sat to the left of the president's chair, a custom that began in the Estates General of 1789. The nobility, members of the Second Estate, generally sat to the right.
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Left, control freaks, big government, centralised thinking, no idea on economy and budget, KRudd, Bs, sell our soul to china.....fair -minded- so- long-as- i'm- ok- first

Gee whale not much different to right wing. ironical.

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I always liked and agreed with this quote that is questionably credited to Winston Churchill

“If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.” 

Just like all of my friends, I was a long haired, dope smoking, free loving, idealistic peace freak in the 70's ... but then when you realised that Mummy and Daddy wouldn't feed and house and cloth you forever, you had to embrace capitalism - and all of the benefits of modernity that it brings. Big smile 
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Churchill was a socialist at 20. Do tell.
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Originally posted by Whale Whale wrote:

Terms are used a lot what do they actually mean ? I see the right as regressive,conservative, selfish, uncaring , the left as socially aware,progressive,fair minded. I may be slightly biased Smile

The political term right-wing was first used during the French Revolution, when liberal deputies of the Third Estate generally sat to the left of the president's chair, a custom that began in the Estates General of 1789. The nobility, members of the Second Estate, generally sat to the right.

Whale, Slightly biased ? Are you sure you are not spending too much of your time in Fitzroy St or do you have your head buried in the sand on St Kilda beach causing  blurred vision.
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According to Churchill's dictum all those uni politics Tories like Abbott and Costello and the countless other former Young Libs who became parliamentarians are all heartless.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

According to Churchill's dictum all those uni politics Tories like Abbott and Costello and the countless other former Young Libs who became parliamentarians are all heartless.

... makes sense, but then you must concede that all of Bill Shorten and "Elbow"'s lot are brainless.Wink
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Wasn't Churchill in the military at 20? 
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Well, actually, Churchill never said it.  

The maxim is rather old and has been around in one form or another since the French revolution.  

Francois Guizot (1787-1874) put it this way,

“Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.” 

People have been plugging in the goodies and the baddies ever since and attributing it to someone else. 
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want of head ?

I thought this was a family program.  Shocked
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Churchill was a socialist at 20. Do tell.

  his mother was a socialist, and he worshipped her...

 
 
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His mother (Jeanie Spencer-Churchill) or his wife, Clementine ?

While his mother was a remarkable woman in her own right I think it was Clementine who was both a Liberal and Churchill's wife.  Socialist ?  No. not really.  Liberal ?  Certainly. 
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Originally posted by Tontonan Tontonan wrote:

Well, actually, Churchill never said it.  

The maxim is rather old and has been around in one form or another since the French revolution.  

Francois Guizot (1787-1874) put it this way,

“Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.” 

People have been plugging in the goodies and the baddies ever since and attributing it to someone else. 


But he did write this:

“The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the Feeble-Minded and Insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate. I am convinced that the multiplication of the Feeble-Minded, which is proceeding now at an artificial rate, unchecked by any of the old restraints of nature, and actually fostered by civilised conditions, is a terrible danger to the race.”

https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour-extras/churchill-and-eugenics-1/
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That makes Keating sound like an uneducated sea shell seller . Confused
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I find all this Aussie fascination with Churchill rather charming. 
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And I find the US fascination with their president both having had military experience and also being religious to be both pacifist and zealous in nature, which to me is illogical, but hey I am just a Australian who knows nothing Wink 
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and the irony of Bone Spur Trump's loyal redneck militia who are ready to die for the coward. 
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