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I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family
IT'S OKAY TO SAY NO.
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Im happy for the horse and Corey, big effort for a 3yo who has had a long year to beat seasoned old stayers.
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Originally posted by James0330 James0330 wrote:

Im happy for the horse and Corey, big effort for a 3yo who has had a long year to beat seasoned old stayers.


Yeah me too. The owner can get stuffed though
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I like him. 

Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.

Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved.
I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Two multimillionaires run first and second. Prefer the PoP story myself
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Lloyd is tolerable
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Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.
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Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

I like him. 

Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.

Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved.


Foaling date 23/3/14 so that makes him 3 years 7 months, which would be like an Australian bred 3yo born in August  winning the Melbourne Cup in March.

I think- check my maths.Wink
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy

I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN
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It is a bit boring seeing the same winners every year. But he does invest in stayers, which is something not a lot do anymore. Hard to see an Aussie stayer winning this race anymore apart from the odd POP. 
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I don't mind Lloyd, as others have said he invests a lot in stayers when most others want Slipper winners
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Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family


Yes.  Its nice for the horse, trainer and jockey, but geez, the Cup is becoming a bit of a Lloyd Williams benefit show isnt it.
Sure he spends a lot on the horses, but if i had the money he does,  I would too.  And no doubt quite a few of you others would too.
Nice twists to the story.  24 year old with his first runner in the Cup knocks off famous dad.  First 3 year old since Skipton  to win.
But I do get a bit tired of seeing Lloyd taking all the accolades .  I did like it when Bruce said to him,  "only 6 more to equal Bart " . LOL
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Protectionist also won at start 10.
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

  First 3 year old since Skipton  to win.

If still a 3-Y-O by Southern Hemisphere time, why does it appear as a 4-Y-O in the racebook in a SH race ?
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How would I know ?   Ask some one who cares .  I just looked at its birth date, which I now forget,  and thought it wasnt yet 4.  Confused
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

I like him. 

Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.

Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved.


Foaling date 23/3/14 so that makes him 3 years 7 months, which would be like an Australian bred 3yo born in August  winning the Melbourne Cup in March.

I think- check my maths.Wink


23/3/14.   So not yet 4 ???   That makes him 3 ?  Yes ??  or No ??
Ask the joker who printed the book , Max .
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family


Yes.  Its nice for the horse, trainer and jockey, but geez, the Cup is becoming a bit of a Lloyd Williams benefit show isnt it.
Sure he spends a lot on the horses, but if i had the money he does,  I would too.  And no doubt quite a few of you others would too.
Nice twists to the story.  24 year old with his first runner in the Cup knocks off famous dad.  First 3 year old since Skipton  to win.
But I do get a bit tired of seeing Lloyd taking all the accolades .  I did like it when Bruce said to him,  "only 6 more to equal Bart " . LOL

Yeah. With the types of owners involved in Cup runners these days the money is not really going to change their life, but the thrill of winning the Cup for the first time is fun to watch for the rest of us. With him it does seem like it's just "oh, another one to add to the collection", even though he is very passionate about the race you want others to experience the thrill. 
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Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

How would I know ?   Ask some one who cares .  I just looked at its birth date, which I now forget,  and thought it wasnt yet 4.  Confused

For chrissakes.....what a cranky answer, as if I was holding you personally responsible. I am saying if it is a 3-Y-O by southern time, it should be described as such, when racing in the SH.
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It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that.
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Meant to say I don’t get it. If I don’t have a Cup runner (highly unlikely) then I only really care about the horse I’ve backed. Udyta Clarke stories are lovely but they’re few and far between.

How many trainers in this country are serious about stayers? As opposed to serious about Magic Millions runners. Can’t really begrudge Williams his success.
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The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Protectionist also won at start 10.


Although it doesn't meet your "modern times" criteria in the last paragraph, I'm pretty sure Martini Henry won the Cup at his second start to answer your previous question.
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Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy

I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN

What a stunning stunning pedigree.

Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.

MISSY ZIPPY (AUS)Bay or brown filly 2014 
Americain
Bay or brown 2005
Dynaformer
Bay or brown 1985
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952
1949
3-m
12-c
Andover Way
Bay or brown 1978
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
On the Trail
Bay 1964
Olympia
Golden Trail
1946
1958
4-p
4-r
America
Chestnut 1997
Arazi
Chestnut 1989
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Runaway Bride
1954
1962
8-c
22-d
Danseur Fabuleux
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Fabuleux Jane
1961
1974
2-d
7>
Green Rosy
Bay or brown 1984
Green Dancer
Bay 1972
Nijinsky
Green Valley
1967
1967
8-f
16-c
Round the Rosie
Bay 1973
Cornish Prince
Rosayya
1962
1952
1-s
1-n
River Dreaming
Bay 2006
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Armure Royale
Bay 1998
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Playmate
Chestnut 1975
Buckpasser
Intriguing
1963
1964
1-s
1-s
All Along
Bay 1979
Targowice
Bay 1970
Round Table
Matriarch
1954
1964
2-f
16-g
Agujita
Bay 1966
Vieux Manoir
Argosy
1947
1950
10-e
1-d
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5f x 4m Mr Prospectorx 5m,4m


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Gee 3rd dam All Along, quality.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th


Amilie's star beat him home
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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy

I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN

What a stunning stunning pedigree.

Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.

MISSY ZIPPY (AUS)Bay or brown filly 2014 
Americain
Bay or brown 2005
Dynaformer
Bay or brown 1985
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952
1949
3-m
12-c
Andover Way
Bay or brown 1978
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
On the Trail
Bay 1964
Olympia
Golden Trail
1946
1958
4-p
4-r
America
Chestnut 1997
Arazi
Chestnut 1989
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Runaway Bride
1954
1962
8-c
22-d
Danseur Fabuleux
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Fabuleux Jane
1961
1974
2-d
7>
Green Rosy
Bay or brown 1984
Green Dancer
Bay 1972
Nijinsky
Green Valley
1967
1967
8-f
16-c
Round the Rosie
Bay 1973
Cornish Prince
Rosayya
1962
1952
1-s
1-n
River Dreaming
Bay 2006
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Armure Royale
Bay 1998
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Playmate
Chestnut 1975
Buckpasser
Intriguing
1963
1964
1-s
1-s
All Along
Bay 1979
Targowice
Bay 1970
Round Table
Matriarch
1954
1964
2-f
16-g
Agujita
Bay 1966
Vieux Manoir
Argosy
1947
1950
10-e
1-d
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5f x 4m Mr Prospectorx 5m,4m


She must be as slow as a wet week.
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Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that.


Yes, all breeding buffs know this about NH time and SH time , and horses birthdays etc.  BUT.
You can talk S.H. time to N. H. time all you like.  Breeding, foaling, horses birthdays etc, and all that.  But, he was born on 23 March 2014, so he is 3 and wont be 4 , age wise, until next March.  Just because we have this northern/southern thing , it doesnt change his age, technically.
I was 68 last March, and I am not 69 now, and I wont be 69 until March next year, regardless of what hemisphere I was born in.
That N/S stuff is a technicality but the actuality is, the horse is 3 years old in age and body and legs.  Read the book anyway you please but he doesnt become 12 months older in body and mind just because he crossed the equator.
Just as Jospeh O,Brien is 24 and he doesnt become 25 just because he came down under Wink
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