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Originally posted by Atreus Atreus wrote:

Only Australian trained winners I can see are Black Caviar and Choisir so 2 winners in 15 years

The quality of Aussie racing at the top has slumped in the last few years with Winx and Black Caviar both able to string together 25 successive wins (BC having 24 of those in Australia).  This suggests non competitive racing in Aussie G1s in the modern era

The fact that Black Caviar was only able to fall in to win by a head after all her consecutive wins in Australia makes me think the Aussie form this year won't be up to the standard required.  Redkirk Warrior and Merchant Navy are not as good as Black Caviar was

Short memory? We've been over the BC form and visit ad nauseam but you keep ignoring the basic facts. 

But moving on......
2/15 is a pointless stat without knowing the number, quality and form of starters in that 15 year period. The unfortunate loss by Brazen Beau (another Williams brain fart) has also been mentioned so arguably 3/15 from very few starters takes on a different perspective.

But all that vanishes as soon as they line up on Sat. If both are in near peak form and the track plays fair they have undoubted claims despite not having run up that particular course. 
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I don't know the others but appears not much depth .
Not much betting happening on Betfair but many longer priced ones going out ..        Looks about Hawkesbury Welter Class .



























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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I don't know the others but appears not much depth .
Not much betting happening on Betfair but many longer priced ones going out ..        Looks about Hawkesbury Welter Class .

I guess I am not disproving that thought but it will be a lot more superior to this years Everest. 

Unless one or 3 of these turn up for the Everest. 


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I don't know the others but appears not much depth .
Not much betting happening on Betfair but many longer priced ones going out ..        Looks about Hawkesbury Welter Class .


I guess I am not disproving that thought but it will be a lot more superior to this years Everest. 

Unless one or 3 of these turn up for the Everest. 



I've just been having a look at some of their history on R & S .

Redzel would eat all of them    lol . Kementari could carry the fav & win.

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

I don't know the others but appears not much depth .
Not much betting happening on Betfair but many longer priced ones going out ..        Looks about Hawkesbury Welter Class .

I guess I am not disproving that thought but it will be a lot more superior to this years Everest. 

Unless one or 3 of these turn up for the Everest. 
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Sunline ... SO FUNNY ...   Someone took my 5.9 for $7.80...   The price went to $6...     So I greened up ...   I now win 65 cents if RW wins and 3cents any other ....   

Good to have you on the RW ticket LOL.
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Sneck...   Have you heard of our warped sense of humour on here .

    We are Tongue in cheek re the class but it's an ordinary lot really aye

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Redzel is now a second class citizen. 


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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Redzel is now a second class citizen. 


    ME TOO ...    I just told SUNLINE Redkirk would blow towards $10
( not knowing the crap in that field ) and now I've just layed it for a reasonable bet at $4.4...      I can't believe it.

   It must go out longer than that ....     Stealing it is .



























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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Redzel is now a second class citizen. 


    ME TOO ...    I just told SUNLINE Redkirk would blow towards $10
( not knowing the crap in that field ) and now I've just layed it for a reasonable bet at $4.4...      I can't believe it.

   It must go out longer than that ....     Stealing it is .



My mistake ... it was 5.2 my last bet layed ....   4.2 /1



























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What day does Redkirk Warrior run?
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


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Our Newmarket at Flemington makes it look like the Bong Bong Cup.



























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Why are people potting Redkirk?

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

What's the knock on him? Clearly in career best form too.
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Originally posted by MJB MJB wrote:

Why are people potting Redkirk?

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

What's the knock on him? Clearly in career best form too.


I Do't think there's any great knock on him .    Only 3 in the betting and many have a high opinion of our other rep.      Surprising to me, the main betting ( not much action ) has been on Redkirk. My few small sets have resulted in the following picture so far ;_ =
Harry Angel
$5.34
Merchant Navy
$5.34
Redkirk Warrior
$6.46
Bound For Nowhere
$5.34
The Tin Man
$5.34
    All others $5.34 profit ...   For those not experienced , That's TRADING.
DON'T TAKE THESE STUPID EARLY, ALL IN PRICES ( It's stealing )
     
                    


     
                    



























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Originally posted by MJB MJB wrote:

Why are people potting Redkirk?

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

What's the knock on him? Clearly in career best form too.


If they ran the Newmarket again on a fair track I have no idea who would win out of RW and MN.
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by MJB MJB wrote:

Why are people potting Redkirk?

If he runs to his best he would clearly win the race. I think that's indisputable isn't it?

I know it's a big if but l wouldn't be betting against it from happening. Two runs in England in his early days for two wins. He might like it over there as much as he likes the straight at Flemington.

What's the knock on him? Clearly in career best form too.


If they ran the Newmarket again on a fair track I have no idea who would win out of RW and MN.


The young one will be a big improver MN....     I backed RW in the Newmarket and expect he will go well fresh .        Will be interesting when the UK market goes to start time with the huge Pool.     Hopefully the ups and downs will provide a Traders dream.



























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He needs to be macca. In poor at the weights for that defeat. Needs to have improved a couple and Redkirk come back a couple.

I love Merchant Navy. Always been one of mine. But for me the value play in this race was Redkirk. I don't trust the Irish mafia that he was underdone last start. They're trying to improve his service fee.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

He needs to be macca. In poor at the weights for that defeat. Needs to have improved a couple and Redkirk come back a couple.

I love Merchant Navy. Always been one of mine. But for me the value play in this race was Redkirk. I don't trust the Irish mafia that he was underdone last start. They're trying to improve his service fee.


I don't know the UK WFA scale but MN is entitled to improve some.

WHY are some people taking as low as $5.2 Redkirk on Betfair when he is $6.50 on Sportsbet .     Madness.



























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He's treated a 4yo over there so as a mid Nov foal (five months off actually turning 4) he isn't getting any favours under their scale. No quid pro quo with the way we treat their 3yos racing here during the spring, which is very poor imo.

RW trackwork video:
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MN weight conditions same as Starspangledbanner and Star Witness? First and third respectively.
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Unsurprisingly spot on about the relative weight disadvantage for the 3yo blinder.

No doubt Atreus will ignore that reality should the colt get beaten, be it by a fart or a furlong.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

MN weight conditions same as Starspangledbanner and Star Witness? First and third respectively.

Yes. 
SSB was the "prefectly timed" foal though - 1/8, so nearly 4yo. 

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Aside from the obvious - that being he is carrying more weight than he should be for his age simply because the Poms still think we're convicts - it's the weight turn-around vs Redkirk Warrior that is most relevant. RW beat him in the Newmarket and meets him far better here for that beating.

Not impossible by any stretch, particularly assuming he has improved. But I dare say it will also require Redkirk Warrior to underperform. That too can quite easily happen.
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Think you will find at this time of season ( November ) 3yos in Europe over a sprint trip carry the same weight at WFA.

21 October last year the 3yos in the Sprint Championship at Ascot the 3yos carried just 1 lb less than their elders.

Last fortnight of June is the equivalent of last fortnight of November in their season.





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Plenty on Betfair to Lay the mighty Warrior.

I'm expecting the Brits & their neighbours to back the convicts OUT come race time .
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They only get 1kg off the 4yo+ cohort in Australia this time of year, which is only another half a kilo more than 1 lb.

For me, it's the weight turn-around on Redkirk Warrior that is the biggest factor.
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5.5 kgs is a massive turn around in 4 months.

The difference at WFA is 2.5 kgs in favour of Redkirk Warrior if you believe the WFA scale is correct.




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^^^thats how I was assessing it. RW meeting MV with 2.5kg advantage.
But I was think MV had a better prep.....
Then I heard about the 4.20 bundle bet.
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