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Still in a couple of kilos light based on his rating.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Still in a couple of kilos light based on his rating.
Hes a 99 rating ...... the only 99 rated horse in the field carrying 52kg the rest 50kg hes not a couple of kilos light based on his rating ...... hes a couple over !! Hence the 2kg penalty !! .....Chatauqua 56.5 / Hartnell 58 doubt he goes there .... have no chance !! Redkirk Warrior is a good thing in the Doncaster !! Cant see anything beating him high or low in the weights !! 
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His rating is actually 109, possibly a point or two less in NSW. 

I' have zero knowledge wrt historical handicapper ratings but at 99 I'd hazard an educated guess he'd be one of the lowest rated ever Open G1 Hcp winners ever, especially given the highly rated opposition he thrashed

From the RNSW website:

PosDateTrackDistClassRatingRating Type
11th of 1415-Mar-2015SHTN Good2000HK DERBYRating
5th of 1429-Nov-2015SHTN Good16003YO+ HCP90Rating
2nd of 1121-Oct-2016M V Soft1200HCP91VIC Rating
1st of 712-Nov-2016SANH Good1500SAND STKS100VIC Rating
1st of 1311-Mar-2017FLEM Good1200NEWMARKET109VIC Rating
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David said on RSN he heads to the Doncaster as he'll never get into another handicap so lightly weighted.
Also that they'd likely keep him to sprinting & a mile at best, given his proven ability at the distance when kept sharp & bearing the wind op. in mind.

Experience is something you gain a few minutes after you could have used it!
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3blindmice ~ I think your getting a little confused mate ...... That 109 is not the horses Benchmark rating lool 
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I thought my reply might have cleared things up Ada but apparently not. I'd stop digging now if I were you. 

Unfortunately (for you) the headings to that RNSW extract I posted were reformatted but if you click the blue "Benchmark Rating" link at the blh side you can discover the reality for yourself. 

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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

David said on RSN he heads to the Doncaster as he'll never get into another handicap so lightly weighted.
Also that they'd likely keep him to sprinting & a mile at best, given his proven ability at the distance when kept sharp & bearing the wind op. in mind.

A mile will be perfect for this horse Gay3 ..... will really let down !! I still think 2000m at WFA is not out of the question ...... Very good horse !! 
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Hopefully ~ 3blindmice reads this and it sinks in LOL
Race 1 - THE STAR DONCASTER MILE (1600 METRES)
Of $3,000,000.1st $1,755,000, 2nd $570,000, 3rd $300,000, 4th $135,000, 5th $75,000, 6th $30,000, 7th $30,000, 8th $30,000, 9th $22,500, 10th $22,500, Equine Welfare Fund $30,000. GROUP 1
Handicap, Minimum Weight 49kg, Three-Years-Old and Upwards, Apprentices cannot claim.

Track Type: Turf 

Field Limit: 20 + 4 EM

 Last 10HorseTrainerBallotWeight(kg)True Weight(kg)Penalty(kg)Benchmark
1641454x12xSENSE OF OCCASIONThe Championships ContenderKris Lees1=51.551.5103
23611x92130GLOBAL GLAMOURThe Championships ContenderGai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott1=5151107
3x211123x28HARTNELL (GB)The Championships ContenderJohn O'Shea35858116
4x12129x211BLACK HEART BARTThe Championships ContenderDarren Weir45757114
51311x47x32CHAUTAUQUAThe Championships ContenderMichael, Wayne & John Hawkes556.556.5119
6x183538x63EXOSPHERIC (GB)The Championships ContenderLee & Anthony Freedman6=5656112
722x12182x3HAURAKIThe Championships ContenderJohn O'Shea6=5656112
87x22251x11LE ROMAINThe Championships ContenderKris Lees8=55.555.5113
9451008x446PALENTINOThe Championships ContenderDarren Weir8=55.555.5111
1029x791x705LUCKY HUSSLERThe Championships ContenderDarren Weir10=5555110
11x51709x4x2TOSEN STARDOM (JPN)The Championships ContenderDarren Weir10=5555110
12631x5470x1ENGLISHThe Championships ContenderGai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott10=5353110
131240x518x0FIRST SEALThe Championships ContenderJohn P Thompson10=5353109
146116x11338ECUADOR (NZ)The Championships ContenderGai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott14=5454108
15653x4313x1IT’S SOMEWHAT (USA)The Championships ContenderJohn O'Shea14=5454108
1623x56469x2HAPPY CLAPPERThe Championships ContenderPatrick Webster16=53.553.5107
171x1110x874HE’S OUR ROKKII (NZ)The Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig16=53.553.5108
18x463351x62PRIZED ICONThe Championships ContenderJames Cummings16=5353107
19154231x271I AM A STAR (NZ)The Championships ContenderShane Nichols16=5151107
20x00352x020AROD (IRE)The Championships ContenderChris Waller20=5353106
2149x2329249DIBAYANI (IRE)The Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig20=5353106
22x3915x0x36ENDLESS DRAMA (IRE)The Championships ContenderChris Waller22=5252104
2313x1421x97DIVINE PROPHETThe Championships ContenderMichael, Wayne & John Hawkes22=51.551.5104
2418x359x473DANISH TWISTThe Championships ContenderKris Lees22=5050104
259x1030x033MISS ROSE DE LAGOThe Championships ContenderDanny O'Brien22=5050104
260x274088x2RISING ROMANCE (NZ)The Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig22=5050104
27x7323590x1HE OR SHEThe Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig27=52.551.51.0103
282x41670x91HEAVENS ABOVEThe Championships ContenderTim Martin27=51.5501.5103
2949x549169xVANBRUGHThe Championships ContenderChris Waller27=51.551.5103
30x11134x311HEY DOCThe Championships ContenderTony McEvoy27=5151103
31x454282x06SEABURGEThe Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig27=5151103
3211x1611x8UGO FOSCOLO (NZ)The Championships ContenderGai Waterhouse & Adrian Bott27=5151103
33402211Fx70SINGLE GAZEThe Championships ContenderNick Olive27=5050103
34x6251162x1MCCREERY (GB)The Championships ContenderChris Waller34=52511.0102
35x511112x12ANTONIO GIUSEPPE (NZ)The Championships ContenderChris Waller34=5151103
361x26330x15TIVACIThe Championships ContenderMichael Moroney34=5151102
37x20214x310DIXIE BLOSSOMSThe Championships ContenderRon Quinton37=50.5500.5101
3880x05x610xSONS OF JOHNThe Championships ContenderJason Attard37=50.550.5101
391290x12117CYLINDER BEACH (NZ)The Championships ContenderDesleigh Forster39=5050100
403x230x533xFOUNDATION (IRE)The Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig39=5050100
41672162x880FRENCH EMOTIONThe Championships ContenderChris Waller39=5050101
42140x5474x3RUDYThe Championships ContenderHelen Page39=5050100
43x1782x1633TESTASHADOWThe Championships ContenderGary Portelli39=5050101
44120x5x21x1REDKIRK WARRIOR (GB)The Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig44=52502.099
45x12x210x20EURO ANGEL (NZ)The Championships ContenderMichael, Wayne & John Hawkes44=505099
46182844700xJACQUINOT BAYThe Championships ContenderDavid & B Hayes & T Dabernig44=505099
47694132x70xMARENOSTRO (NZ)The Championships ContenderChris Waller44=505099
4812x231x212SILENT SEDITIONThe Championships ContenderAndrew Noblet44=505099
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Yes I read it today after MK posted the penalty Ada. Difference is I understand its limitations (and mine) whereas you apparently think you're a benchmark ratings guru.

The ratings you've posted are as of a particular date and don't reflect recent racing. For example Redkirk Warrior's Newmarket romp, It's Somewhat's first up win, Le Romain's defeat of Chautauqua, Hey Doc's Guineas win etc. 

It's rare that a horse will jump so far in one run but as I said above the handicapper was obviously impressed by the Newmarket win against top class opposition, as he should have been.
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Ada's gone for a bex it seems. Not that I blame him/her. Made a couple of blunders myself today and was lucky Sneck threw me a line on the Hartnell/Dony-caster one in particular. 
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He should be a good chance in the Donny at Randi, still with a light weight. although I can't see the required Sydney bog track form- maybe he'll get lucky there.

 I am suspicious of the Newmarket form though. 
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Don't think ppl realise how good a horse you have to be to start favourite in a Hong Kong Derby a race he was absolutely bolting in before being squeezed outta it at the 600m ....... Before that in the Group One Classic over 1800m he chimed in with a big run looked home went down a lip threw the race away in my book ............... Doncaster today over 1600m he should put this field away !!!! 
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Had a saver on him, what a freak!
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Yeah what a freak how about the previous 2 runs.
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On its day it is the best sprinter in Australia. Should have won a lot easier given it lost a length to get to the outside.

Unbeatable fresh, on a dry track.

If conditions are the same on Newmarket day then it looks almost unbeatable.
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Just a fantastic fresh and straight track horse, excellent price for those who took him today. Well done.
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Painfully I have to concede ,    I can't remember seeing a final 600 before ,   that he had to clock to win that race.
   Redzel knuckled at the start, so some excuse, but they ran the final 600 in 32.35 .    The winner would have gone much faster than that.
   Sensational run.
       
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Winner 31.51 macca
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High class middle distance horse winning G1 sprints in that kinda fashion just a very serious animal 

I wouldnt be surprised if Hayes targets the Cox Plate this year !!

Those sectionals are off the chain ..


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Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

Winner 31.51 macca


TU .H.    That's Flying aye ..    
STEWARDS R> Redzel - began awkwardly making contact with the right hand side of its starting stall and became unbalanced.
       
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Originally posted by Blockbuster Blockbuster wrote:

On its day it is the best sprinter in Australia. Should have won a lot easier given it lost a length to get to the outside.

Unbeatable fresh, on a dry track.

If conditions are the same on Newmarket day then it looks almost unbeatable.


Conditions won't be the same in the Newmarket. He won't be fresh and he won't be at wfa.

He seems to need a 100 day break between runs to race at his peak.LOL Might as welll go straight to Ascot.
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As we speak - who is the best sprinter in the world at the moment? Is it Redzel?
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

As we speak - who is the best sprinter in the world at the moment? Is it Redzel?


It's a stupid title. There is no such horse and if there is we won't know it because there is no way to judge accurately.
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Originally posted by AdaHunta AdaHunta wrote:

High class middle distance horse winning G1 sprints in that kinda fashion just a very serious animal 

I wouldnt be surprised if Hayes targets the Cox Plate this year !!

Those sectionals are off the chain ..



I doubt he is a high class middle distance horse. Whilst he won his maiden and a handicap over 2000m in the UK they were not high quality races.

Sprinting and FRESH seems to be his go. I doubt he gets a mile in Australia.




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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

As we speak - who is the best sprinter in the world at the moment? Is it Redzel?


It's a stupid title. There is no such horse and if there is we won't know it because there is no way to judge accurately.

Exactly. No such thing as worlds best
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Are you going touse the same principal for Winx as well? She was named the best turf horse in the world.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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She is.
Worlds best sprinter is an overrated title
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Originally posted by deejays destiny deejays destiny wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

As we speak - who is the best sprinter in the world at the moment? Is it Redzel?


It's a stupid title. There is no such horse and if there is we won't know it because there is no way to judge accurately.

Exactly. No such thing as worlds best

Of course there is such a horse, at any one time there is the best of anything in the world, to judge it is harder, obviously.

It's pretty clear cut that Redzel is the best sprinter in Australia right now, you just have to ask yourself if you rate anything overseas higher.
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