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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Think you will find at this time of season ( November ) 3yos in Europe over a sprint trip carry the same weight at WFA.

21 October last year the 3yos in the Sprint Championship at Ascot the 3yos carried just 1 lb less than their elders.

Last fortnight of June is the equivalent of last fortnight of November in their season.



7lbs if I'm not misreading this chart - p10????


Our 3yos get less because they are fast approaching 4 at this time of year.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

MN weight conditions same as Starspangledbanner and Star Witness? First and third respectively.

Yes. 
SSB was the "prefectly timed" foal though - 1/8, so nearly 4yo. 

SW was foaled late Sept

Just had another look and SSB was 4yo. The runner up Society Rock was 3 and carried 3kgs less.
 


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Apparently 3yos are ineligible for the DJ since the Comm Cup was introduced.
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The size of the field and the serious lack of pressure in the race will certainly suit the favourite Harry Angel. 




STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The size of the field and the serious lack of pressure in the race will certainly suit the favourite Harry Angel. 




Redkirk may do what he did in the Newmarket ,    lead them all the way.

Certainly well in.
       
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

The size of the field and the serious lack of pressure in the race will certainly suit the favourite Harry Angel. 




Redkirk may do what he did in the Newmarket ,    lead them all the way.

Certainly well in.

I tend to forget that, I automatically think of him coming from the clouds. Beer


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He was on pace in two of his other straight wins also djebel. 

Expect they'll let him stride along under his own steam and build - pretty much the standard pre-race tactics according to interviews I've seen (about Au races, not Ascot)
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Yes ,   as Sunline has pointed out ,   if he is near right he will be a tough nut to crack at these weights. Won on the track too.

Amazing record having won his first 2 race starts over 2000m in UK
Raced in HK and has amassed over $4 million all up.
       
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Hope we all took the $4.20 from the boys at the TAB about one of them winning.

Now into $3.50.

Not a moral of course, but at the odds, it was well worth a substantial sized bet.
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Stands rail looked the 'fast lane' in the Britannia.
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That the outside as far as barriers go? Comm Cup will be the best guide I suppose
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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.

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wasted trip - 'junket'
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That $4.50 was fantastic kept unloading on it though at different machibes
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Very disappointing effort. Didn’t travel? Any word from stable?
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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

May as well leave him in the UK.
Not worth bringing him back to Aus.   He’s done.
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Doesn't need to be an excuse. He's better then those horses but travel takes it out of them like it does with us. Give him 6 months off and bring him back for the autumn.
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Very disappointing effort. Didn’t travel? Any word from stable?

They had a great time - lots of nice dinners & lunches.

Mix with royalty & the hotel was lovely. 
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

$5 and $7 are both gone, well more to the point the best I can find is around $4.50 and $6.50.

A bit worried that RW will have had about 5 minutes to re-acclimatize, but if you reckon one of them can win the TAB offer appears pretty attractive. 

In the air for quite some time and only 16 days to recover let alone prepare for the race.  Disapprove
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Originally posted by Sir Gov Sir Gov wrote:

Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Very disappointing effort. Didn’t travel? Any word from stable?

They had a great time - lots of nice dinners & lunches.

Mix with royalty & the hotel was lovely. 

Lol - Hayes is your man, Gov.
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What is the difference between Better Loosen Up and the following horses?

Jeune
Fields Of Omagh
Niconero
Nicconi
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Boom Time
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The flight home will cook him even more. That’s why I’m thinking he should just stay in the UK
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Originally posted by WarriSymbol WarriSymbol wrote:

What is the difference between Better Loosen Up and the following horses?

Jeune
Fields Of Omagh
Niconero
Nicconi
Criterion
Boom Time
Redkirk Warrior


Better Loosen Up won
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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... won on steroids?

RW didn't look happy in a stable video I saw but DHayes said everything was rosy so probably just a case of one who didn't handle the long trip, esp as an older horse. Plenty have the same problem coming the other way. They aren't machines and he'd had enough not far after halfway from memory.
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Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

... won on steroids?

RW didn't look happy in a stable video I saw but DHayes said everything was rosy so probably just a case of one who didn't handle the long trip, esp as an older horse. Plenty have the same problem coming the other way. They aren't machines and he'd had enough not far after halfway from memory.

I avoid sprint racing so I know nothing, but surely RW is allowed a flat run after the travel etc? I notice that the ones who swamped the finishing post with Merchant Navy weren't favoured in betting, and that the fave missed the start. That's sprint racing, IMO. So much analysis goes on about what will/ might/ did happen to horses over a short distance when temperament, a bad start, jockey error etc can all change things over the 1 minute of the race. Just don't get why people bet on that kind of scenario unless there's an unbackable Black Caviar type or an obviously talented speedster in a field of donkeys. Or a speedy 2YO.
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Originally posted by Sir Gov Sir Gov wrote:

Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Very disappointing effort. Didn’t travel? Any word from stable?


They had a great time - lots of nice dinners & lunches.

Mix with royalty & the hotel was lovely. 

And plenty of self promotion. Well done by Team Colgate
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