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Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

She is.
Worlds best sprinter is an overrated title


Why is it an overrated title?
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

She is.
Worlds best sprinter is an overrated title


Why is it an overrated title?

It is not overrated title. 

It is simply people talking for the sake of talking.




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Redzel is a consistent and quality sprinter but I also think his timing has been good. Chautauqua on the downside and not much else around. Don't think his peak is as good as a few we've had in recent years (didn't seem to stop everyone calling a dual G1 winner a "champion" on the broadcast yesterday ). Reckon he's about on par with say a Buffering, which is still pretty good.

What's overseas I have idea.
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Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Redzel is a consistent and quality sprinter but I also think his timing has been good. Chautauqua on the downside and not much else around. Don't think his peak is as good as a few we've had in recent years (didn't seem to stop everyone calling a dual G1 winner a "champion" on the broadcast yesterday ). Reckon he's about on par with say a Buffering, which is still pretty good.

What's overseas I have idea.


Yeah I’d say around on par with Buffering as well, but Buff raced in the best sprinting age of all time.
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Bufferin won overseas as well
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Redzel is a consistent and quality sprinter but I also think his timing has been good. Chautauqua on the downside and not much else around. Don't think his peak is as good as a few we've had in recent years (didn't seem to stop everyone calling a dual G1 winner a "champion" on the broadcast yesterday ). Reckon he's about on par with say a Buffering, which is still pretty good.

What's overseas I have idea.


Yeah I’d say around on par with Buffering as well, but Buff raced in the best sprinting age of all time.



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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Bufferin won overseas as well

Which is exciting but meaningless in itself in discussing the class of a horse.




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   lol   BUFFERING ...   Be nice to have one to compare with the Buff.

I think Redzel lost momentum at the start yesterday and at R1, wasn't able to overcome the early petrol use.

The finish was sensational and it makes for a top rematch.
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Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

   lol   BUFFERING ...   Be nice to have one to compare with the Buff.

I think Redzel lost momentum at the start yesterday and at R1, wasn't able to overcome the early petrol use.

The finish was sensational and it makes for a top rematch.

I'd have to look at the start again but it can not have been much more of a factor in the result than the check that Redkirk Warrior copped at about 500 or wherever it was ?




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Redkirk Warrior does have to ease around "his tow" into races.
Redzel is a "with the pace" sprinter and yesterday it is obvious on replay and Stewards,   That he knuckld , became unbalanced after hitting the side of the gates and had momentum and position to regain.     
    He looked home and the winner produced a final 600 rarely seen . Both Horses did a mighty job.
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Originally posted by Shrunk in the Wash Shrunk in the Wash wrote:

Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by JudgeHolden JudgeHolden wrote:

Redzel is a consistent and quality sprinter but I also think his timing has been good. Chautauqua on the downside and not much else around. Don't think his peak is as good as a few we've had in recent years (didn't seem to stop everyone calling a dual G1 winner a "champion" on the broadcast yesterday ). Reckon he's about on par with say a Buffering, which is still pretty good.

What's overseas I have idea.


Yeah I’d say around on par with Buffering as well, but Buff raced in the best sprinting age of all time.





He ran into BC and Hay List. Repeatedly. Probably wins another half a dozen G1s if not for those two freaks. Then along came Lankan Rupee and Chautauqua. Think Speediskey's comment is pretty obvious.
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World's best, presumably, means you could take that horse anywhere, on any track, and be reasonably confident it would win, which is far more than I could say about Redzel or Redkirk Warrior.
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America's leading sprinter Roy H by More Than Ready is a fair animal. He's aiming for the Golden Shaheen on DWC night.
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Just on his final 600m.

I seem to remember Chautauqua running a similar finale, in this race if my memory serves, the year he beat Terravista and Japonisme.

Also there was a win by All Silent which had everyone flabbergasted, might have been the Darley in the spring.
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It was the Patinak ( was this the Darley?) All Silent ran 1-8-78, final 600, 33-14, bit of an old favourite of mine as he was a half brother to the bonny Private Steer,
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Redkirk Warrior Smile  .... is pretty much a Champion in my books ... if not already.

Black Heart Bart nearly won the Newmarket first-up ... Redkirk Warrior did ... and confirmed it since Wink
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I followed him right through the spring and was a bit let down by his results. Stuck strong though and thought 1st up down the straight was right up his alley. Happy to take the $10 on offer.

Don't think Redzel lost too many admirers. Still Australia's best sprinter.
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Good horse
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Has to be up there with Redzel for best sprinter in Australia right now. Great win carrying topweight.
It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.
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What a horse! Absolutely love him.

He's hugely underrated. Now has 2 x Newmarkets and 1 x Lightning - that's special.
Sunline...simply supreme
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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

What a horse! Absolutely love him.

He's hugely underrated. Now has 2 x Newmarkets and 1 x Lightning - that's special.


        That was special ...   Heart in mouth job ..    I feared he got beaten.      Great price with his record.     That's 5 wins from 7 on good tracks in Oz.
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Totally agree with all of the above, Macca. I didn't tip strongly as was an open race, but I could not believe his price and tipped as big value to some mates and bet accordingly.

The Newmarket is winnable for classy sprinters at the top of weights. Lightning always the better form for the race.
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Massive overs :)
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Not exactly a fair win

Regan Bayliss (Redkirk Warrior (GB)) - pleaded guilty to a charge under the provisions of AR137A(5)(a)(ii) for using his whip eight times prior to the 100m, which is three times more than permitted, two of which were consecutive. Regan Bayliss had his licence to ride in races suspended for a period to commence at the conclusion of his careless riding suspension incurred last week, at midnight April 1st and to expire at midnight April 7th, a total of eight race meetings (two metropolitan, six provincial). Regan Bayliss was also fined the sum of $5000. In assessing penalty Stewards took into account he won the race which was a Group 1 event.

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Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Not exactly a fair win

Regan Bayliss (Redkirk Warrior (GB)) - pleaded guilty to a charge under the provisions of AR137A(5)(a)(ii) for using his whip eight times prior to the 100m, which is three times more than permitted, two of which were consecutive. Regan Bayliss had his licence to ride in races suspended for a period to commence at the conclusion of his careless riding suspension incurred last week, at midnight April 1st and to expire at midnight April 7th, a total of eight race meetings (two metropolitan, six provincial). Regan Bayliss was also fined the sum of $5000. In assessing penalty Stewards took into account he won the race which was a Group 1 event.



How can eight times be three time more than permitted?
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Read it again judge, my understanding is you are allowed 5 strokes before the 100 , he used it 8, ..or am I wrong?
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Three more than permitted? Three times more than permitted
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Sorry mate. It was a (admittedly bad) joke.
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It's been a looooong day for me, and I am naive at the best of times.
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