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red bag - Event Date: 07 Oct 2008

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    Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 4:27am
Hi Am an interested watcher who has plucked up the nerve to join in ....Seems there is often interesting and informed views here. My question is regarding Red Bag deliveries[some have had ok outcomes and some of the foals have not survived - we have had a few of them recently[over past 2-3 years] and was wondering if anyone else has experience with this syndrome? Very concerned...
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I havent foaled one down before, but my understanding is that something causes the placenta to seperate from the wall and therefore being birthed before the foal, wich of course cuts off the oxygen to the foal.
 
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hi guys have just lost one after seven days at vet hospital, was making great comeback after five days regained sight looking like he was over the hill and then , bang for no reason night before discharge date dropped dead, vet is dumbfounded, no reason, never had it before.
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Hi Newkid,
Red bag (Placenta Previa) deliveries are not that rare. The outcome for the foal usually depends on the haste of the attendant to recognise the problem & extract the foal from the placenta to avoid loss of oxygen to the brain. Many foals have few if any 'bad' effects if the foaling was normal in every other respect & they have been extracted quickly. There is more concern if the foaling were very protracted as oxygen loss is more likely. That said the majority of 'red bag' deliveries I have seen the mare has foaled overly quickly rather than too slowly.
The most common causes are thought to be Placentitis, poor uterine condition generally of the mare & exposure to Endophyte Fungus during pregnancy, usually in the last trimester.

The first 2 can be managed to a degree, by being sure to be in attendance during foaling just in case, & with medications if you suspect a mare may be prone to placentitis or is known to have a compromised uterus. If your mare/s fit that category then you should discuss preventative measures with your vet.
Avoiding exposure to endophyte fungi is a pasture management issue so can often be eliminated once recognised if your mare/s are kept at home throughout their pregnancy. If they are away at stud/agistment then the problem is not in your control.

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Originally posted by Torridonequine Torridonequine wrote:

hi guys have just lost one after seven days at vet hospital, was making great comeback after five days regained sight looking like he was over the hill and then , bang for no reason night before discharge date dropped dead, vet is dumbfounded, no reason, never had it before.
 
 
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Hi,

Long time lurker, 1st time poster Big%20smile as I have only one broodmare who we breed to race with.

1st foal - prolapsed uterus after foaling.  Vet and foaling attendent on to it straight away and all ok - foal now 3YO in race work
 
2nd foal - Red Bag delivery - got foal out but had contracted tendons but healty went down hill on 3rd day rushed to Goulburn Valley Hosp but put down later.
 
Was advised by our vet that it was likely she could red bag again with the next foal and would require Regumate and AB's the entire pregnancy.  We took the risk and had her re-served by stallion but didn't go down the drug option path.
 
3rd Foal - Red Bag 8 weeks early foal was pulled out dead but uterus prolapsed again. 
 
Recommended not to breed with mare again or try with the drugs but dont want to put her through it all again.
 
We have been pretty shattered by it but learnt alot as well.  She was also at a proffesional foaling down establishment for all 3 foals otherwise we would have lost her as well.
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Had a lovely filly born to a red bag presentation this season. 53kg 25% colostrum. The mare was boxed for a week prior to foaling. Had oxygen on standby, which was given as a precaution.
 
All good. A really attractive filly. Strong, pretty, a little upright but has come down perfectly.
The mare ,and it was her first, foaled very quickly.
The filly was given gentamycin for a course of 5 days as well as benpen.
 
 I feel very fortunate as she has turned out a real cracker.
The mare was covered yesterday and she turned all the heads and amused the onlookers as she ran around and around mum.
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Whitters, just curious, did the mare present with an earlier problem that was the cause of her being boxed and oxygen on standby, or is that just the studs procedure?




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Yes she had a bit of a discharge about 10 days pre foaling. Vet straight in.
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we have had two this season and both luckily with good outcomes.  definatly having the correct staff to notice and handle the situation is a must. 
to date we have 32 foals  for a 100% record with foals and only losing one mare due to haemorraging.  two red bags both going well and a 34 day premmy foal who is travelling along fine so far and is now three weeks old. 
good luck to everyone with their foalings and hope all goes well
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thanks everyone for taking the time to come up with some interesting comments and best of luck to all for a continued successful season.
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Had my first ever red bag delivery at 2pm today.  I'm very happy to say that I managed to rip open the placenta and fish the very healthy foal out in time.  The placenta was in poor shape (Placentitis) so both mare and foal are on AB's and Pen.  Her colostrum was also poor quality so 600ml has been tubed into him. 

He is a nice big Bradbury's Luck and I'm very happy that I have been working out at the gym!
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