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    Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 9:43am
Dual Group 1 winning sprinter Rebel Dane will start his stud career next season in Victoria at Sweetenham Stud. Rebel Dane will run in the TJ Smith on Saturday, then head to Adelaide and Brisbane for Group 1 races before he is retired.

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REBEL DANE: BAY OR BROWN HORSE (2009)
[California Dane (Danehill) - Texarcana (More Than Ready-USA)]
Stakes Won: AUD 2,408,600
1st
Manikato Stakes G1
Rupert Clarke Stakes G1
Royal Sovereign Stakes G2
The Shorts G2
Show County Stakes G3
plus 3 Sydney Metro wins

2nd
TJ Smith G1  (Lankan Rupee)
Missile Stakes G2
Premiere Stakes G2 (Terravista)
Hobartville Stakes G2 (Pierro)

3rd
Moir Stakes G1 (Buffering)
Manikato Stakes G1 (Chataqua)
Warwick Stakes G2 (Winx)
Missile Stakes G2
Australia Stakes G2

4th
Doomben 10,000 Stakes G1 (Spirit of Boom)
ATC Guineas G1 (Its a Dundeel)
Manikato Stakes G1 (Lankan Rupee)
All Aged Stakes G1
Futurity Stakes G1 (Turn Me Loose)
Bobbie Lewis G3 

Whilst his 2 G1 wins were well spaced apart he has proved a competitive and durable horse bred on the Danehill/MTR cross racing at the top end of the scale over 4/5 years with considerable success
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Wonder how they'll price him?    




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I saw another recent article that said there was potentially 12 or so freshmen stallions hitting the market in 2017 (Stratum Star et al...).  I would think a horse like Rebel Dane could command around that 10-12K mark as not everyone can afford the Hunter Valley stallions or some of the imported ones.... I would think there is a solid market for G1 WFA stallions around that mark and above depending on pedigree?
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Maybe they could price him like his racing career... every 5th or 6th mare gets a 20k.. but most mares get in for 2k. 

The damn horse had ability but he rarely showed it or got a chance to show it. His sireline wouldn't attract mares in TBH
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I think I get what your saying Troppo but his sireline is Danehill (very commercial and part of the Northern Dancer foundation stallion line) with a MTR cross - very successful from what I'm told.  I think the commercial issue is more his female family line - it is modest and lacks the blue-blood element for high priced stallions...and yes  the racing career was frustrating from punter perspective but overall successful with 2 G1's and $2.4M in stakes...not many do that.  If he get around 10-12k i think their will be a market for him and it will remain to be seen what quality of mare he gets overall...So many freshmen it would appear in 2017 and it looks a crowded market in my view...
  
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Hear he will be priced at 11k + GST...going to Doomben 10,000 as swan song run...
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lots of  the !s family in Rebel dane
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Originally posted by hopeforall hopeforall wrote:

Hear he will be priced at 11k + GST...going to Doomben 10,000 as swan song run...
$12,500 announced a few weeks back.
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Yes you are right..should've re-checked the Swettenham site before posting my obviously old news. ...apologies.
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I think in this day and age to be competitve for so long and is a winner of group 1's he deserves his shot at stud.so many breeders are so quick to knock potential stallions, on paper he looks stronger than Dane Shadow with racing results but look at the job DS has done a good bread and butter stallion.

I looked at buying a stallion to stand but unless you have $250k you have no chance the Stallions for sale at $50k alreayd have had books of 100 a season and youd be lucky to get 40 each season @ $2-3k so yes he is well priced at $12k and if he doesnt get support expect that to drop quickly to $8k then $6k that seems the general.
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Want to bring this up again, his sire did well enough without setting the racing world afire. Died at 11yo but still got 5SW and 6SP from 136 runners and 97 winners. Best son is Rebel Dane and thinking of using him over our High Chap daughter tracing 3 back to Denise's Joy. Theoretical are promising, but I would like to get opinions on height and style of horse he is.
Spirit of Boom and I Am Invinsible have shown recently that an A grade pedigree is not necessary, but racing into their 5th and 6th year did not seem to harm their stud abilities.
RD could be the next one of this ilk. His only drawback I can see myself is he only got mid 30 mares to date, whereas the other two got hundred and more.
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Majestic is it just about Sadler's over Danehill, or have the two descendants of Denise's Joy visited stallions that add to the attraction?

ps haven't seen Rebel Dane for nearly 12 months and didn't take huge interest at the time, but from memory he was an average sized fellow without any features that were all that memorable. 
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SC, this breeding is the reverse, ie., Danehill sire line over Saddlers Wells female line. There is not as many SWs as the reverse but the Wow Signal is bred Danehill vis Choisir over High Chap daughter. Our girl has thrown a beautiful Foxwedge colt and is in foal to Adelaide to double up on SW. As a stud cattle breeder, I have double bred to influential Sires and have been both delighted and disappointed in the result. Horses are no real different, so I will try to get that jewel with my theory. I still may also double up on Denise's Joy in future, with maybe Speith or War for the mare. But that is for the future.
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Thanks for that background info Majestic.

Talking about "double breeding" with cattle sires, have you also tried breeding a sibling sire over your breeding females.  In the comparative context of utilizing Fairy King as an alternative to doubling Sadler's Wells?  (hope that doesn't appear condescending, as it's certainly not the intent).

And if you can afford to indulge yourself in a thus-far non-commercial stallion in order to duplicate Denise's Joy I agree that War would be a great place to start.  As a first season stallion he's had just five starters for two winners, and can confirm that he can produce an outstanding foal or three from a conformation perspective..
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Thanks for that background info Majestic.

Talking about "double breeding" with cattle sires, have you also tried breeding a sibling sire over your breeding females.  In the comparative context of utilizing Fairy King as an alternative to doubling Sadler's Wells?  (hope that doesn't appear condescending, as it's certainly not the intent).

And if you can afford to indulge yourself in a thus-far non-commercial stallion in order to duplicate Denise's Joy I agree that War would be a great place to start.  As a first season stallion he's had just five starters for two winners, and can confirm that he can produce an outstanding foal or three from a conformation perspective..


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Well I've come across just two yearlings and both were top types.  One from an Al Maher that took my attention was unfortunately old (for very good money) to China.  The other which I inspected in Tassie debuted on Sunday and won with ease under a tight grip.

However if you've formed a different opinion please share it with us.
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...Al Maher mare that should read.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Well I've come across just two yearlings and both were top types.  One from an Al Maher that took my attention was unfortunately old (for very good money) to China.  The other which I inspected in Tassie debuted on Sunday and won with ease under a tight grip.

However if you've formed a different opinion please share it with us.

I'm hopefully pro War Thumbs Up
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Thanks for your input SC. Yes we did run sibling bills with the maiden Heifers with no physical problems, although today with genetic disorders in Angus cattle I would assume more care would be required.
As for War, he will was in the radar last year, but I had a free return to be used. There is only two stallions I know to double up on Denise’s Joy.
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Des Moines is a very nice type. War seemed to improve thee phenotype
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This one is clearly out of one of the better mares to visit War:

War breaks out at Devonport!ins at Devonport (Peter Staples)

Blue Gum Farm’s young More Than Ready sire War posted his first winner at Devonport in Tasmania on Sunday when the promising filly Kwai scored a debut win for the Barry Campbell Stable in the Star Thoroughbreds colours.

Two-year-old Kwai had convincingly won a barrier trial in early June at the same track and thus started at very short odds on debut on Sunday even though it was against older horses.

He came out of the barriers in a tardy manner so had to be plenty of work to get to the front, but his talent shone out in the end, taking the 1000 metre race by an easy two lengths.

“More impressively than where she won, was that she was taking on the older horses at her first race, blew the start, and she still proved way too good,” Blue Gum Farm’s Phil Campbell said.

Kwai was purchased from the 2017 Magic Millions Tasmanian Yearling Sale by Boomer Bloodstock agent Craig Rounsefell and is raced by Star Thoroughbreds’ Denise Martin (sister in law to Campbell).

She is the second winner from Pontington, a half-sister by Delago Brom to stakes-winners Black Vanquish and Minnesota Shark from Group 2 winner Ponton Flyer. This is a family developed over recent decades through Victoria’s Whittenbury family and their Baree Pastoral operation although Kwai himself was bred by Tasmania’s Armidale Stud.

Kwai’s three-year-old sibling by Written Tycoon, named Island Daze, won at Sandown in April while a yearling half-brother by Toronado sold for $185,000 to trainer Robbie Griffiths and Chris Blomeley Bloodstock at this year’s Inglis Premier Sale.

A Group 3 winning son of More Than Ready (USA) from the Denise’s Joy family, War stands at Blue Gum Farm this season for a fee of $6,600 (incl GST).
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