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While I'm saying our average is better than you rate it.

Look I lived through the era when Australia got Part One status for our Stakes races.  In other words we got G1, G2, G3 as well as black type events.  My boss did the leg work proving time and time again our races were world class.  But the English didn't believe it.  It was the French and the USA breeders who helped us win.

Why the English thought we were second rate back then because they got rid of their rubbish overseas.  Well alot of that rubbish was very well bred and we used it the best we could.  Even sent stallions back overseas to perform well at stud both in Europe and the USA.  And as I said we managed to get quite a few gems in the broodmare stakes and thanks mainly to New Zealand these old lines are still available to us and still producing gems like Highland Reel and Starspangledbanner who both decend from Eulogy.

Yes we crow about our champs but believe me we also have nay sayers trying to pull them down.  Why?  A truly great champion horse will make the list each time.  But that list is not just the Champions is it.  It is the very best of a year and lets face it 100 down is not going to rival Enable or Winx.  This list of back up horses is failing to make the grade as despite often being weighted out of handicaps when the handicapper send through the rating its just not up to scratch.  

It's like they have two standards.  
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Another way to look at it is a lovely trainer won a G2 on Derby Day with her little horse.  Small slight up against well built sprinters.  She doubted he could do it wanted to take him home but the little horse won quite easily in the end.  Your horses are beautiful.  Ours can sometimes turn out that way also but there is a bigger variance.  And it isn't always the well built beauty who has that elusive will to win.

Rich Charm decends from another great Australian/New Zealand family.  That of Teppo (GB) 1908.  He is unfashionably breed.  Was not breathing when he was foaled and she got him going and loves him to bits.  From 17 starts he's had 8 wins and another 5 places.  She probably wont send him around in a G1 sprint but he does have a lovely finish.  The silly thing is he is from a staying family  That's what we do in Australia.  Our stayers have to be sprinters.
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According to the Longines International Calendar the 2016-17 has just completed.

The top 100 G1 Races have been run and the debate about which races should or should not be included will continually be thrown about.

Interesting is the distribution of these G1s.

OZ Racing although a bit one dimensional IMO is very well represented. In fact if it wasn't for the Breeder's Cup races in the US, OZ would be the leader. Of course that wouldn't impress everyone - BUTT that gives everyone a chance to jump in and voice the opinion.

http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/Top_100_G1_Races_Schedule_and_Results_2016_2017.pdf

So here is the distribution by country:

USA        23
AUS        21
GBR        19
HKG        11
JPN        11
FRA         6
UAE         4
IRE         3
CAN         1
GER         1
SAF         1


And the OZ races:


Ladbrokes C. F. Orr Stakes
Black Caviar Lightning
Tab Chipping Norton Stakes
Italktravel Futurity Stakes
Canterbury BMW Stakes
China Horse Club George Ryder Stakes
Sky  Racing Rosehill Guineas
Keogh Homes William Reid Stakes
The Star Doncaster Mile
Darley T J Smith Stakes
BMW Australian Derby
LONGINES Queen Elizabeth Stakes
Schweppes All Aged Stakes
Charter Keck Cramer Moir Stakes
Seppelt Turnbull Stakes
Ladbrokes Caulfield Stakes
BMW Caulfield Cup
William Hill Cox Plate
Coolmore Stud Stakes
Emirates Melbourne Cup
Darley Classic


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The 2017 Orr Stakes was one of the 100 top G1 races in the world- really?LOL
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Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

The 2017 Orr Stakes was one of the 100 top G1 races in the world- really?LOL


Yeah.... and two weeks later Black Heart Bart wins anudder 1400m Top 100 GI race LOL


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And there is the other side of Australian racing.
1st Black Heart Bart 46 starts 16 wins from 1000-1800m inc five G1 wins
2nd Turn Me Loose 20 starts for 7 wins inc three G1 wins
3rd Ecuador 40 starts for 10 wins inc multiple stakes races
4th Palentino 18 starts 5 wins dual G1 winner inc Australian Guineas
5th Jameka 24 starts 6 wins 1400-2500m multiple G1 winner wins inc VRC Oaks, Caulfield Cup, BMW and VRC Sires' Produce S
6th Malaguerra 29 starts 12 wins 1000-1400m  inc dual G1 races
7th Awesome Rock 28 starts 4 wins 1300-2000m inc G1 
8th He's our Rokkii 26 starts 7 wins 1212-2000m inc G1 
9th Divine Prophet 10 starts 3 wins 1200-1600m inc G1 Caulfield Guineas
10th Lucky Hussler 48 starts 10 wins 1200-1600m dual G1 winner
11 Miss Rose de Lago 35 starts 9 wins 1200m-1800m multiple Group winner
12 Arod (IRE) 24 starts 4 wins 1600-2012m Group winner and G1 placegetter in England

I'm not up on details but I think it is rated on the perfomance of the winner of the race not the field.

Look at another race raced the Darley Yorkshire Oaks won by the great Enable by 5 lengths - She beat 5 other runners.
2nd Coronet 3 wins inc G2
3rd Queen's Trust 14 starts 2 wins inc G1 Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf
4th Nezwaah 12 starts 5 wins inc G1 Pretty Polly S
5th Alluringly (USA) 12 starts 2 wins inc LR
6th Abingdon 11 starts 4 wins inc LR's

So the Australian race stands up very well.  Enable being an exceptional performance got the Yorkshire Oaks on the list.

Black Heart Bart was in a purple patch of great form and got this race on the list but the field wasn't too bad either.

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The joke was the william reid, it was very poor this year
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Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

According to the Longines International Calendar the 2016-17 has just completed.

The top 100 G1 Races have been run and the debate about which races should or should not be included will continually be thrown about.

Interesting is the distribution of these G1s.

OZ Racing although a bit one dimensional IMO is very well represented. In fact if it wasn't for the Breeder's Cup races in the US, OZ would be the leader. Of course that wouldn't impress everyone - BUTT that gives everyone a chance to jump in and voice the opinion.
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http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/Top_100_G1_Races_Schedule_and_Results_2016_2017.pdf

So here is the distribution by country:

<font face="Courier New, Courier, mono" size="3">USA        23
AUS        21
GBR        19
HKG        11
JPN        11
FRA         6
UAE         4
IRE         3
CAN         1
GER         1
SAF         1


And the OZ races:


<font face="Courier New, Courier, mono" size="3">Ladbrokes C. F. Orr Stakes
Black Caviar Lightning
Tab Chipping Norton Stakes
Italktravel Futurity Stakes
Canterbury BMW Stakes
China Horse Club George Ryder Stakes
Sky  Racing Rosehill Guineas
Keogh Homes William Reid Stakes
The Star Doncaster Mile
Darley T J Smith Stakes
BMW Australian Derby
LONGINES Queen Elizabeth Stakes
Schweppes All Aged Stakes
Charter Keck Cramer Moir Stakes
Seppelt Turnbull Stakes
Ladbrokes Caulfield Stakes
BMW Caulfield Cup
William Hill Cox Plate
Coolmore Stud Stakes
Emirates Melbourne Cup
Darley Classic






Any reason why the Cox Plate is not in that list?
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Sorry I worded that wrong, I meant to say is there a reason why the Cox Plate is ranked so low.

Also interesting to see our two big staying races in that list - Caulfield Cup and Melbourne Cup. Normally those two races are not in the top 100 in the world in previous years.
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That list is simply by date not by ranking.
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Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

That list is simply by date not by ranking.


Ok. Is there a list available of the top-100 Group 1 races in the world?
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

That list is simply by date not by ranking.


Ok. Is there a list available of the top-100 Group 1 races in the world?


Take a look at this link which has the top races in 2016:
http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/LWBRR/Top-100-G1-Races_2016.pdf
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Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

That list is simply by date not by ranking.


Ok. Is there a list available of the top-100 Group 1 races in the world?


Take a look at this link which has the top races in 2016:
http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/LWBRR/Top-100-G1-Races_2016.pdf


Ive aeen that link but what about for 2017? That kink is for races in 2016
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

That list is simply by date not by ranking.


Ok. Is there a list available of the top-100 Group 1 races in the world?


Take a look at this link which has the top races in 2016:
http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/LWBRR/Top-100-G1-Races_2016.pdf


Ive aeen that link but what about for 2017? That kink is for races in 2016


The 2017 season is still in progress  Wink

Some races have just been run and the ratings are a work in progress. Will be looking forward to the release of that list.

For instance the GI Arima Kinen (JPN) was only run yesterday. Last year this race was ranked equal 13th. Interesting how this race will be ranked because GI Japan Cup placegetters Kitasan Black and winner Cheval Grand again performed admirably.

 
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Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

That list is simply by date not by ranking.


Ok. Is there a list available of the top-100 Group 1 races in the world?


Take a look at this link which has the top races in 2016:
http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/LWBRR/Top-100-G1-Races_2016.pdf


Ive aeen that link but what about for 2017? That kink is for races in 2016


The 2017 season is still in progress  Wink

Some races have just been run and the ratings are a work in progress. Will be looking forward to the release of that list.

For instance the GI Arima Kinen (JPN) was only run yesterday. Last year this race was ranked equal 13th. Interesting how this race will be ranked because GI Japan Cup placegetters Kitasan Black and winner Cheval Grand again performed admirably.

 



When does the list get released?
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Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

That list is simply by date not by ranking.


Ok. Is there a list available of the top-100 Group 1 races in the world?


Take a look at this link which has the top races in 2016:
http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/LWBRR/Top-100-G1-Races_2016.pdf


Ive aeen that link but what about for 2017? That kink is for races in 2016


The 2017 season is still in progress  Wink

Some races have just been run and the ratings are a work in progress. Will be looking forward to the release of that list.

For instance the GI Arima Kinen (JPN) was only run yesterday. Last year this race was ranked equal 13th. Interesting how this race will be ranked because GI Japan Cup placegetters Kitasan Black and winner Cheval Grand again performed admirably.

 



When does the list get released?


If the release date of the 2016 version is any indication then about January 17th.

The next release of the world's top racehorses is January 23rd.
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Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

Originally posted by horlicks horlicks wrote:

That list is simply by date not by ranking.


Ok. Is there a list available of the top-100 Group 1 races in the world?


Take a look at this link which has the top races in 2016:
http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/LWBRR/Top-100-G1-Races_2016.pdf


Ive aeen that link but what about for 2017? That kink is for races in 2016


The 2017 season is still in progress  Wink

Some races have just been run and the ratings are a work in progress. Will be looking forward to the release of that list.

For instance the GI Arima Kinen (JPN) was only run yesterday. Last year this race was ranked equal 13th. Interesting how this race will be ranked because GI Japan Cup placegetters Kitasan Black and winner Cheval Grand again performed admirably.

 



When does the list get released?


If the release date of the 2016 version is any indication then about January 17th.

The next release of the world's top racehorses is January 23rd.


No worries thabks for the info. If you find the list in January then post it on here please.
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A few folks have been waiting for this release of information

Longines today Jan. 23 released the Top 100 races

http://www.ifhaonline.org/resources/LWBRR/Top-100-G1-Races-2017.pdf

#5 G1 George Ryder Stakes top Australian race

And top ranking horses

http://www.ifhaonline.org/Default.asp?section=Resources&area=0&story=1005

#2 Winx top Australian horse


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Thanks for providing this information.
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