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    Posted: 24 Apr 2016 at 6:56am
I find it worthy to post this because in our forum there is constant debate about the quality of Group 1 race as compared to the rest around the world.

In the latest published rankings of the top 100 GI races, Australia has 22, second to the USA which has 23.

Thetrop ranked race is no surprise is the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe @ Longchamps.

Our top ranked race  is the Darley Spring during the VRC Spring Carnival @ #15 and closely followed by the Newmarket Handicap.

Sydney's top race is @ #31 George Ryder Stakes and the Cox Plate is #47.

Omissions - Melbourne Cup.

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Can't take these rankings seriously when the 2nd and 4th top races are on dirt tracks and limited to USA 3yos.  

Even looking at that Australian races you have the Canterbury Stakes ahead of the Cox Plate Confused
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Originally posted by Lordy Lordy wrote:

Can't take these rankings seriously when the 2nd and 4th top races are on dirt tracks and limited to USA 3yos.  

Even looking at that Australian races you have the Canterbury Stakes ahead of the Cox Plate Confused


For the US Races the rankings are bloated this season because they were won by a Triple Crown winner.
It is a rare occurance that should happen but the numbers would inflate the value of those races.
Also the winner won the Breeders' Cup Classic as well so lets just take this anomaly.

BTW The Al Quoz Sprint was ranked #76 and it was won by your own ranked #17 thoroughbred in the world which really gives credence to those in OZ who venture out and represent us successfully on the
International Level. Otherwise we just would not know how good we really are! Cheers!
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New Rankings came out after the KDerby this past weekend.

Winx is ranked equal #1 with California Chrome. Chautauqua moved up to 7th after its win in HK.

Werther is also worth mentioning since he is ranked #3 after his big win. Joining him was Nyquist after his KDerby win.

http://www.horseracingintfed.com/resources/WTRRankings/LWBRR.asp?batch=30
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New rankings - With A Shin Hikari (JPN) the new number 1 after his supposed 10 length win in France.

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New rankings released just to add fire for folks to debate...

Winx still equal #2 with California Chrome also now joined by Frosted who bolted in the GI Metropolitan Mile @ Belmont Park (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy6CdcKZOIQ)  by 14 odd lengths in 1.32 3/4. A Shin Hikari a bit of imposter still number #1 - really this rating should of deducted his rating after he dead last at Ascot.

Werther #5, Chautauqua #14, and Protectionist (GER) returns to the list @ #20.

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The final ranking for 2016 have come out and Winx is ranked 3rd with a rating of 132 behind US stars Arrogate and California Chrome.

The latter two will battle in the inaugural G1 Pegasus World Cup Invitational Stakes at Gulfstream Park this coming weekend.

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received her ranking not surprisingly in her dominant win in the G1 W.S. Cox Plate.
Hartnell, the only other Australian Top Ten based horse was ranked 8th with a 124 rating after his win in the G1 Turnbull Stakes.

The only other Top 25 Australian was Chautauqua ranked 18th.

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Brudder it is a big world of racing.  They breed in England, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, UAE, Sweden, USA, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Canada, New Zealand, Czech Republic, India, Korea, Peru, South Africa, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Turkey and a few others as well.  

So I think it's not bad to have three in the top 25 including the top ranked Turf horse or mare.
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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Brudder it is a big world of racing.  They breed in England, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan, UAE, Sweden, USA, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Canada, New Zealand, Czech Republic, India, Korea, Peru, South Africa, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Turkey and a few others as well.  

So I think it's not bad to have three in the top 25 including the top ranked Turf horse or mare.


Australian horses have exceptionally well and they are well regarded all over the world.

I see that Waller has finally mentioned that if Winx has a successful 2017 that in 2018 Ascot might be beckoning. Would be quite a spectacle.


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I see that the Cox Plate was rated the 2nd highest race in 2016........Hmmmm

Goes to show how much value they put on Winx running because surely the Arc had greater strength across the entries
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Actually recently did a pedigree for a horse racing in France who decended from the greate Kinsem (undefeated winner of 54 races).  This one was bred in Russia so it was an interesting pedigree to say the least.
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Not bad results when you consider our horses are trained upside down and inside out!
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Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Not bad results when you consider our horses are trained upside down and inside out!


We'd have a hell of a lot more up their if they did train properly.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Not bad results when you consider our horses are trained upside down and inside out!




We'd have a hell of a lot more up their if they did train properly.


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Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Actually recently did a pedigree for a horse racing in France who decended from the greate Kinsem (undefeated winner of 54 races).  This one was bred in Russia so it was an interesting pedigree to say the least.


The great Hungarian mare Kincsem was a marvel. Last time I was in Budapest the plane flew over the racetrack named after her. Will be in Budapest in April and was thinking of checking out the track there.

Russian studs in Kuban and Don were well looked after during the Soviet era. They fell apart and went into disarray when the Soviet Union split apart. Don't know how they are faring now.

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Yes there was some very non descript blood in this one and he didn't do much.  Just interesting to find one decending in the female line from her.  I think the mare went to Russia from Czech Republic probably when they split.  But lots of blood we in Australia or Europe and the USA have no records of.
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To World Rankings out this week:

Winx #2 behind Arrogate.

And 5.3 lengths in third was Hartnell with Gun Runner and Jack Dobbs.

Other OZ notables
#6 Chautauqua
#8 Jameka
#13 Black Heart Bart, Le Romain, Our Ivanhowe (GER), Palentino
#26 Contentment (AUS) (ex Chilton County)  in Kong Kong, Whiskey Baron (AUS) in Sth Africa.

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So the last International Rankings of the season was published after the Breeder's Cup and as I though there would not be a change in the order. Arrogate even with a poor late campaign in the year managed to rate the highest leaving Winx in second.

Now really this is to be expected since the lowering of the rating reached by a performer is not enacted after some dismal performance. Arrogate got his rating in the G1 Dubai World Cup and really didn't matter what he did after. Basically Juddmonte should of just retired him and not allow for this debate to continue.

The only way he could be notched of the top place would be if there was a performance that was better than what Arrogate accomplished. Them are those apples!

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Interestingly, Winx is 132 compared with 134 to Arrogate. So if they met in a race with those ratings the 3 lbs allowance makes Winx top rated...

However, if this were based on a "handicap" instead of just World performance ratings of the year... Arrogate would by now be rated behind Gun Runner, ie no longer thought capable of Dubai World Cup form.

Winx is without doubt an exceptional racehorse, but fact is Australian racing is uncompetitive. Witness Winx 134, next best non-sprinter Hartnell and Humidor both 122 (although latter should be higher). Long unbeaten run is of course very noteworthy, but the actual number of wins easier to achieve in Australia than it would be in Europe or USA.

Not always the case, but it's been an outstanding year for the very top British horses over sprint and middle distances. They're generally rated down on these ratings. Although Ribchester's (mile) position is probably too high. If Arrogate's Dubai World Cup run comes in to consideration then he'd be at the top of my list. Personally, in a "handicap" I'd have a tie at the top between Winx, Enable, Cracksman, and Battaash. With Harry Angel, Gun Runner and Arrogate just behind.

What form gives Chautauqua the same rating as Battaash? We have our best British sprinters for many a year and Battaash is at least the equal of Harry Angel too - if not better. Individually, nothing Chautauqua has done impressed me anything like as much as those two... And Australian sprinters are generally worse now, since the change in drugs rules no longer give them an unfair advantage. Of course USA still has that advantage.
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“ What form gives Chautauqua the same rating as Battaash? We have our best British sprinters for many a year and Battaash is at least the equal of Harry Angel too - if not better. Individually, nothing Chautauqua has done impressed me anything like as much as those two. “”

Simple. The TJ Smith G1 win in April. The manner of that last to first victory may not have impressed you but to those whom produce the ratings clearly rated the equal that anything Battash achieved in winning the Abbaye.

I wouldn’t worry anyway as Redzel will surpass both in the next set of rankings. In 2017 he has won double the G1s of either of the individual Brit 2. Throw in the fact that the Darley Classic year in year out is rated higher than the Abbaye or Haydock sprints and he is unbeaten in 2017.

Pleased for you that you believe your sprinters are so strong. The last decent sprinter you had was called Linford and he only had 2 legs.

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Originally posted by Sworn Revenge Sworn Revenge wrote:

“ What form gives Chautauqua the same rating as Battaash? We have our best British sprinters for many a year and Battaash is at least the equal of Harry Angel too - if not better. Individually, nothing Chautauqua has done impressed me anything like as much as those two. “”

Simple. The TJ Smith G1 win in April. The manner of that last to first victory may not have impressed you but to those whom produce the ratings clearly rated the equal that anything Battash achieved in winning the Abbaye.

I wouldn’t worry anyway as Redzel will surpass both in the next set of rankings. In 2017 he has won double the G1s of either of the individual Brit 2. Throw in the fact that the Darley Classic year in year out is rated higher than the Abbaye or Haydock sprints and he is unbeaten in 2017.

Pleased for you that you believe your sprinters are so strong. The last decent sprinter you had was called Linford and he only had 2 legs.



I've seen the JT, Sworn Revenge. Yes, he did impress me, but the form doesn't add up to the likes of Battaash and Harry Angel. What form has (the horse) English got to suggest beating her a head is worth such a high rating? Coming from last to first is a race style that can often be just as easy or easier than other positions when the pace is strong. But for arguement's sake, even if allowing a few pounds extra the form doesn't compare. To think that Chautaugua has improved at the age of 7 is puzzling, to say the least. It seems Chautaugua has been given a lot extra purely because of sentiment - it is a good story - winning a third JT in that manner and commentators going overboard.

Chautaugua is a good Group 1 winner - no doubt about that - and may be the best Australian sprinter in 2017, but he's not "outstanding" in form terms. Some of Le Romain's form can be rated almost as highly and so too the one you mention - Redzel. You're right, he could prove the best Aussie next year. Got some way to go to beat the form of Battaash and Harry Angel though.

Yes, Australian sprinters have been better than ours in the recent past - at least before our two countries drugs rules were brought closer together. But when I say we had the best bunch of sprinters for many a year, I mean decades. This is truly an exceptional year.

Australians like to think because their horses win plenty of "Group 1"s they've got to be somehow better. Look at how many Group 1's there are in Australia. "Form" is not the name and number of a race, it is how good a mark the horse runs to (is capable of). If a horse wins seven Group 1's and puts up the same standard of performance in all races, it is rated the same on its seventh win as it is the first. You could say the horse is more "consistent" but that does not change the rating.
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Brudder the numbers of G1 are in comparison to the number of races and racehorses.  We don't have a free field either as those pesky New Zealanders can and do breed good horses which can still sometimes donkeylick us.

If you add up the races in Ireland, England, France and Germany (and the horses) you are only just about getting up there with us.  We had 19303 flate races in the back of the 2017 Cataloguing standards booklet. England had 6284, Ireland 1152, France 4519 and Germany 1204.

We had 35,896 starters - England 9996, France 8896, German 2194 and Ireland 3154.

Racing is very big in Australia.  We have five main states with individual horse populations which have to travel longer distances to compete against each other that any of those countries list above for Europe.

So what you are failing to see is we are like a minny Europe.  Some states are stronger than others yet every now and again a Champion will come over from the West and show superior form etc.


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Now the USA donkey licks us in numbers but there you go.  Just saying don't just judge us from a distance.
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Brudder the numbers of G1 are in comparison to the number of races and racehorses.  We don't have a free field either as those pesky New Zealanders can and do breed good horses which can still sometimes donkeylick us.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">

If you add up the races in Ireland, England, France and Germany (and the horses) you are only just about getting up there with us.  We had 19303 flate races in the back of the 2017 Cataloguing standards booklet. England had 6284, Ireland 1152, France 4519 and Germany 1204.

We had 35,896 starters - England 9996, France 8896, German 2194 and Ireland 3154.

Racing is very big in Australia.  We have five main states with individual horse populations which have to travel longer distances to compete against each other that any of those countries list above for Europe.

So what you are failing to see is we are like a minny Europe.  Some states are stronger than others yet every now and again a Champion will come over from the West and show superior form etc.




You really haven't thought this arguement through, Furious.

Number of Group 1 races should not depend on how many horses/"starters" are in training. What should matter is how many horses of proper Group 1 quality a country has. Australian breeding is weak in comparisson with (in no particular order) Britain, USA, France and Ireland. That's why you're keen for shuttle stallions. Look at the number of Australian top class horses in the link on this thread of World's best horses. As I understand it, Australia has over double the number of Group 1 races as Britain, yet AUS have 7 named in that list compared to GB's 12. Too many Australian Group 1's mean a lot are uncompetitive and therefore comparitively easy for the good ones to win multiple Group 1's.

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Originally posted by Red Rum Red Rum wrote:

Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Brudder the numbers of G1 are in comparison to the number of races and racehorses.  We don't have a free field either as those pesky New Zealanders can and do breed good horses which can still sometimes donkeylick us.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">

If you add up the races in Ireland, England, France and Germany (and the horses) you are only just about getting up there with us.  We had 19303 flate races in the back of the 2017 Cataloguing standards booklet. England had 6284, Ireland 1152, France 4519 and Germany 1204.

We had 35,896 starters - England 9996, France 8896, German 2194 and Ireland 3154.

Racing is very big in Australia.  We have five main states with individual horse populations which have to travel longer distances to compete against each other that any of those countries list above for Europe.

So what you are failing to see is we are like a minny Europe.  Some states are stronger than others yet every now and again a Champion will come over from the West and show superior form etc.




You really haven't thought this arguement through, Furious.

Number of Group 1 races should not depend on how many horses/"starters" are in training. What should matter is how many horses of proper Group 1 quality a country has. Australian breeding is weak in comparisson with (in no particular order) Britain, USA, France and Ireland. That's why you're keen for shuttle stallions. Look at the number of Australian top class horses in the link on this thread of World's best horses. As I understand it, Australia has over double the number of Group 1 races as Britain, yet AUS have 7 named in that list compared to GB's 12. Too many Australian Group 1's mean a lot are uncompetitive and therefore comparitively easy for the good ones to win multiple Group 1's.



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Use of the word "arguement" is figuritively speaking.

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So a truly exceptional year in your eyes is watching each take turns beating each other....brilliant!

Lady Aurelia wins and then gets overturned. Marsha gets overturned and then wins. Battash likewise, Harry Angel......and so the merry go round keeps turning. Your turn this week Wesley, oh thank you Charles. Better let Sir Mark have a go or he might feel left out.

The whole idea of form is subjective. However the ratings are established from peak results over a calendar period by a conferred and ratified rating agreement from the worldwide handicapping authorities. Two middle aged blokes from Aus and the UK debating on a website forum do not have that clout.

Ultimately on a global racing scene Australian horses are collectively massively inferior from 1 mile and above compared to their European counterparts. The same principle works in reverse regarding British sprinters. Sprinting is not as revered in Britain as middle distance and above and therefore your breeding industry doesn't cater for them.

If Winx has to travel to Britain to justify herself as she is " beating nothing and needs to come here to race against proper horses " you can rest assured that until Battash or Harry Angel travel here they are guilty of the exact same sin.
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I'm trying to say we have groups of horses.  Same as the European countries do and some of those groups are stronger than others.  But each can produce Champions in their own right.

You say ours are weak at the moment.  They can't beat Winx who just happens to do things most horses can't.  Same as many of our previous Champions the opposition just can't beat her at the moment - even when she gives them a chance by missing the start etc.  But go back and find out how many were chasing Frankel and you see she still has beaten more G1 winners.  And those G1 winners are not second class - just overlooked by the North.

Some horses I'm sure you have never heard of as they would never have been rated overseas -

Invincible Star was beaten a head in the Ascot Vale Stakes G1 but she faced the wind right down the straight and only just went down.  She will win a G1 race.

Tangled is bred for speed and is a G2 winner over 1200m but he's G1 placed over 2000m by a nose to Ace High this spring.  But he doesn't rate.

Merchant Navy has won 5 of 6 starts including a G1 but wait he doesn't rate

Shoals has had 7 starts for 5 wins including four stakes races including a G1 against open class mares and a 2nd in the 1000 Guineas G1 but of course she doesn't rate

Formality 10 starts 5 wins inc four group wins and two G1 places inc Ascot Vale (Coolmore Stud S) G1 but no she doesn't rate.

She Will Reign has had 7 starts 5 wins four stakes wins including the Golden Slipper G1 and an open class G1 WFA Sprint first up as a three year old.  Nope she doesn't rate.

Egg Tart has had 11 starts for 6 wins including the Australasian Oaks 2000m in Adelaide and the Queensland Oaks 2400m in Brisbane.  That's a distance of 2053 km between those two wins.  Do your Oaks winners have to travel that far to rate.

Redzel 21 starts 11 wins eight stakes wins including two G1 races.  Has won his last six races all in Group company beating three horses on the list.  Well donkey licking them truthfully.  But he is not rated.

I am a Star has had six Group wins including a G1 and two other G1 places.  She hasn't come up this season but deserved a rating on last season.

Now look at the top horses rated -

Arrogate 11 starts 7 wins beaten last three 134
Winx 32 starts 26 wins including last 22 mostly G1 with a few G2's thrown in
Cracksman (3yo) 7 starts 5 wins including one G1 2nd Poet's Word (11 starts 4 wins including no G1's and not on the list)
Gun Runner 18 starts 11 wins including last four at G1 level after 2nd to Arrogate in World Cup.
Enable 8 starts 7 wins and a great stayer
Ulysses 13 starts 5 wins inc one G1 race 
Cloth of Stars 13 starts 7 wins inc one G1
Harry Angel 8 starts 4 wins inc 2 G1's (unlike Redzel who also has 2 G1 victories he hasn't six Group & Everest wins in a row)

Our Champion Sires have been home grown for many years now.  This started back in the 1960's with sons of Star Kingdom and Wilkes and Better Boy.  Continued until the advent of super sire Danehill and then his sons and grandson's took over with Redoute's Choice, Fastnet Rock, Snitzel etc.  Encosta de Lago also reigned for a couple of seasons and has the Broodmare Sire under control in recent years although here he has challenges from Zabeel and Danehill with Redoute's also starting to show up.  Then there is the Sir Tristram line with Zabeel, Lonhro and now Pierro show signs of being a classic sire who could challenge.

Snitzel had 58 stakes horses last season.  And is already up to 21 stakes wins including two G1 winners including this seasons unbeaten sprinter Redzel.  He has 25 stakes horses so far and we aren't four months into our season yet.  

We have a different type of horse to that in Europe and yes we also import to improve our staying blood.  But then our racing doesn't give our trainers much of a chance to get young stayers going.  We hardly have a two year old race over 1200m.  There are few 1400m or 1600m and that is it.  Our young stayers ie Ace High run in sprints as young horses which doesn't help there stats in the long run.  Then as they don't have the foundation after the 3yo Classic's most are dropped back to 1600m.  No wonder they don't succeed.  Mind you we also do produce many who have wins from 1000m to 2400m and even a few who can even extend that win tally from 1000m to 3200m.

Yes Winx gave Street Cry one Championship but one sip isn't showing any lessening in our own stallions winning.

Don't you know that because we are - well no where near anywhere - we are treated badly in comparison to the Northern Hemisphere horses.  She Will Reign was a superior two year old and has come back to win against open company in a G1 race.  Ace High and Pinot look outstanding and both didn't get it easy in the Derby or the Oaks having to overcome their badly situated runs through the race.  The rest of the world didn't know what a great horse Hay List was.  We did.  Happy Clapper is a bulldog who is totally overlooked despite winning his G1 mile carrying top weight.  We often run down our own horses when they get beaten yet some have traveled almost 1000 km to race or even closer to 3500 km and then fail when obviously well outside their comfort.  We expect alot of our horses and are very critical.  

I download your G1 races as part of my job and I know many in every country be it USA, Britain, France and Ireland (your list) are weaker than what I am watching.  Some with four to a field.  We complain when it is under 10 and usually get between 10 and 24.  Winx chases them away but she has already beaten those fields of 15 and 18 etc.  She breaks their hearts and many even run badly after trying to beat her.  She breaks them.

We are keen for shuttle stallions because on the whole we have been a country which gelds alot of its racehorses.  This is slowly changing.  But then you can have just so many sons of Redoute's Choice and Snitzel before you have to look for outcrosses.  Thank heavens for Street Cry and Sir Tristram as both lines cross well with the predominately Danehill/Star Kingdom/Wilkes/Fairy King lines we have here.  But really since Danehill found the great Bletchingly blood which crossed so well with his Danzig sireline we just haven't had one hit the big time.

We lost Street Cry but now have some of his sons who will hopefully extend his line.  But don't think just because we import that we are weak.

Some of the stronger lines for stakes winners have lived in Australia and New Zealand since the 1800's.  Even when we lost faith in our own blood these female lines continued quietly producing great horses.  We imported a 3/4 sister in blood to one of your Epsom Derby winners back in the 1850's.  Last season saw three decendents win at G1 level.  This season all three are winners at of placed at G1 already.  Great blood has come to Australia and New Zealand in the past and lucky for us these lines are still performing.

I hear all the arguments about us and them.  But I know great horses can be born everywhere.  Top class horses can often be overlooked though so we don't make the Best Racehorse Rankings as much as we should.
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