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    Posted: 15 Jun 2009 at 10:05pm

By Ken Callander

June 15, 2009 12:00am

IT IS lucky Octagonal and Lonhro are not racing today. If they were they would be racing in Dubai and we would have missed out on all of their great victories.

The sheiks from Dubai, who bought the Ingham racing stables where Octagonal and Lonhro were nurtured, have made it clear what their Australian racing project is all about. Sure they are pouring millions into their racing operation, but that will be paid for by the millions they are making from their huge stallion roster in the Hunter Valley and from the prizemoney their horses win.

The big thing that is now clear, and what a downside it is for Aussie racing, is all of the best horses from their Darley stables will be shipped out to Dubai.

This week they announced nine of their very top horses, including Caymans, Aichi, Fravashi, Desuetude and Time Thief, are going to Dubai to be set for racing there and in Europe.

John Ferguson, the messenger boy for the sheiks, has tried to put a spin on it by telling us it is a "massive compliment to Australian racing".

Please John, we don't fall for smooth-talking Pommies any more. Tell it for what it is, a raping of our top-class horses for the pleasure of the sheiks on the other side of the world.

There is nothing illegal about it. If you have enough money you can do almost anything, but don't try to make out you are doing us a favour.

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_popupControl(); how much did the sheik pay for Woodlands?
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We hear that the official figure that was released to the media was around $490M.  Truth is,  the true figure was closer to $800M - but nobody wanted to startle the horses, let alone the average Aussie breeder at the time.
 
But its funny how these things work out, It seems that the decision to sell caused a great deal of pain and heartbreak amongst certain members of the Ingham family and the word is that those deep scars have been left - and even money cannot heal them.
 
And then .... on the other hand, the Sheik is STILL l having bad results with his horses right around the world and the winners have just stopped happening.
 
Sometimes, money doesnt always give you a happy ending...
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I would have loved to have seen lonhro and occy strut their stuff on the world stages.
 
Imagine the messy lonhro would have made of those pommy horses in thoses wfa 8 - 10f races. Probably would have been able to knock a few of their big sprints off too.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Daraabah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2009 at 12:58am
We all loved it when Choisir, Elvis & TT went OS and 'beat the rest of the world'...how's this any different?
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All Darley are doing is raping our industry ... and the funny thing is that Australian breeders are supporting them by supporting their crappy overseas stallions who have no hope  to do any good over here.
 
All I can see is that the DARLEY DEAL  is not a great deal after all and people are naive if they think they are getting a getting a good deal.
 
It would do us all the world of good for them to pull out and go back home.
A rose by any other name...
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At least we get to see them beat the world these days.  Everything is on TV and if they triumph even the sleepy heads get to see the re runs.  Peter Snowden does keep the two fillies Purple and Neroli.  Drumbeats has a chance to come into his own.  Is Potillo going to stud or she racing on.  So the fillies stay for another day and stud duties over here and the geldings and colts go. 
 
Everyone were complaining on another post about the lack of respect for southern hemisphere horses.  Well the only way to get the respect is for them to race and win in the north. 
 
The lack of success of the northern stables of darley is the biggest worry.  Will the horses miss the stables they come from or will they adabt to the new environment without the old hands around them.  That is the biggest question.
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personally i like darley/godolphin,employ a lot of people directly/in directly.   tip in plenty,as with breeding/foal shares i'm a fair way in front.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote orpen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 2009 at 6:21am
Geez Liberty what is your benchmark. Pretty hard for this lot to have done much better.
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Talk about locking the stables doors after the horses have bolted, even the five blind boys from Alabama could see this happening.

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and overlooked

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Gee I might be the odd one out, but Darley paid a heck of a lot of money and it is not like it was a clandestine deal or anything.  When Sir Mickey Stoute has a nice horse, it is understood that it goes to Godolphin, no different here and they take great pride that the best horses race in the all blue.
Whether or not the execution of the plan works out, they are entitled to do it the way they want
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Originally posted by Liberty Rose Liberty Rose wrote:

All Darley are doing is raping our industry ... and the funny thing is that Australian breeders are supporting them by supporting their crappy overseas stallions who have no hope  to do any good over here.
 
All I can see is that the DARLEY DEAL  is not a great deal after all and people are naive if they think they are getting a getting a good deal.
 
It would do us all the world of good for them to pull out and go back home.
 
Everybody in the Australian industry would hope that they never pull out and go home. Liberty Rose.....comments like yours are absolute rubbish.
 
I would think that the whole reason that we began to shuttle stallions, was to improve our stock. The bloodlines that have come to Australia have led to our horses performing on the international stage. Would you also like the Harry Kewells of the soccer world all stay to play in our football league here. International competition pits the best against the best, and we are now producing horses that can perform at this level. If our carnivals are so weak that 9 horses make a difference, then maybe we have too many carnivals for the size of our industry. Everybody wants huge prizemoney, Group 1 glory, but maybe we should look at less carnival races but more quality. Sydney and Melbourne both compete for the same runners at some stages each year. That makes some Group 1 races have small fields.
 
Full support for the Sheikh and his team. Clap
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Hw owns the bloody horses I dont see a problem with it.
If you owned a horse that could compete on the international stage would you not take it?
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I cant believe the crap that is being written about this...all started by K Callender.
 
Their money, their interest, their investment...get over it
 
We all love the fact that they had the balls to invest in our industry..now a couple of precious gems are pissed that they have the audacity to take THEIR horses to race overseas... How dare they.
 
As for Janiak, Freedman, Perry, Morton, Waterhouse & Moody..who betrayed their country by taking their horses overseas to race,......thats OK.....
 
Get over it!!!The double standards are incredible.
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Wasn't there an Aussie horse racing overseas last night -think he was in some p-weak mid weeker, can't think of his name....Clap
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SENIC SOMETHING....
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I think it's great for the industry that overseas investors have taken a shine to what Australian breeders and trainers are doing, the bigger the market the bigger the financial gain.
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I think its great. Hopefully they do well and we get even more overseas buyers for the yearlings, r rich tycoons wanting to have an aussie horse here downunder, so its a win for racing and breeding.
 
If the colts win OS, then they attract better OS mares, maybe we might have mares here (or at least more than now) that come here for a NH breeding.
 
As for the geldings, well what does it matter really where they race, it still promotes their breeding, and Australia moves even higher up the ranks of racing.




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I hate it. Some of those horses would of been major players in the Spring yet now we will not see how good they could of been past there 3yo season in Oz. 
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