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    Posted: 08 Jul 2017 at 2:49pm
Didn't bet on this race but the betting told a massive story. Collateral $2.4 to $4.2 & stayed was basically the opposite way. Collateral settles back last then heads to the inside and plugged home into 4th doing his best work the last 50m. I said to a mate that this race had a smell about it before they jumped and the race panned out exactly how I thought it would. I don't think collateral was given every possible chance to win and I look forward to a retort from someone.
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Agree. Heywood needs to be grilled as he showed zero intent until well into the short WF straight. 
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Being very weak at the death on the fair is always a terrible sign.
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Not arguing with above comments, but a staying race with 2 main chances with Bowman on one and a 2kg kid who has never ridden the horse before on the other, and you know has to come from the tail, you want to be on Bowman.
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Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Being very weak at the death on the fair is always a terrible sign.

"they" know ?
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Being very weak at the death on the fair is always a terrible sign.

"they" know ?
They definitely know the tactics and likely map.
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Stewards conducting an enquiry.
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brad davidsonVerified account @braddavo 4h4 hours ago

"It was my fault. It was a bad ride". Nick Heywood to stewards re Collateral.

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The Beau Mertens line re Leodora eh?  Interesting to see if it has the same outcome.
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Sorry Nick, but you deserve 6 months for that filth. It wasn't a bad ride. It was a deliberate ride. Joke.
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Sorry Sunline, can't entirely agree.

Imo there's little chance Stewards could conclusively find that it was hooked - even if that was indeed the case.
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Not as bad as Mertens for mine and nowhere near Schofield's. They both walked so I can't see anything happening here.
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Know nothing about this ride, but I see a strong case for a demerit points system for jockeys, similar to driver's licences, that "decay" or accrue according to the number of rides, not elapsed time. Clock up too many points, in too few rides, and you are out for a spell. That would include dodgy rides of doubtful intent to win, as well as dangerous riding.
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....the advantage would be that offences that now get the benefit of a grave doubt, and a let-off, would accrue some points, that allows for a number of such incidents, before the axe falls.
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Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

The Beau Mertens line re Leodora eh?  Interesting to see if it has the same outcome.
 
As in the horse bolts in at its next start and the odds are much juicier?
 
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Originally posted by Flight Flight wrote:

Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

The Beau Mertens line re Leodora eh?  Interesting to see if it has the same outcome.
 
As in the horse bolts in at its next start and the odds are much juicier?
 
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Yep. Can't sustain a long run. Until it can. Glad I only punt carnival time these days.
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Three starts back Collateral was three deep no cover the entire trip and beat the Bowman ridden even money fav, Carzoff. Coming off the rail in the home straight probably didn't help-he had to play for luck, although I'm not sure it would have made any difference.
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Know nothing about this ride, but I see a strong case for a demerit points system for jockeys, similar to driver's licences, that "decay" or accrue according to the number of rides, not elapsed time. Clock up too many points, in too few rides, and you are out for a spell. That would include dodgy rides of doubtful intent to win, as well as dangerous riding.

Excellent idea Max. Rides not up to expected competency - eg Heywood's, and a couple of Jeff Lloyd's on Sat according to reports - should receive more than a please explain. Avdulla's ride on Wed which caused a domino effect and received a reprimand would be another case where points could accrue. 666/1 about stewards being innovative enough to take it to their annual talk-fest though.

Inexperience is some excuse but this is telling: 

4th

COLLATERAL

Nick Heywood (a2)

A bit too fresh, pulled a majority of the way. I probably set him a task as well.

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Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Sorry Nick, but you deserve 6 months for that filth. It wasn't a bad ride. It was a deliberate ride. Joke.


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I'm not. Bad rides aren't normally preceded by a monsoon of money and an alarming drift as if the market knew that bad luck was going to strike.
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Talking through pocket does that to you
This was not a hook job, anyone who has ridden in races would know that horses are unpredictable and cannot be forced to do anything they do not want to do
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That would be a fair comment if I called every bad ride that had my $ on a hook job. But I don't. So there's obviously a difference.
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"Bip" alert, in my opinion !
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Heywood made no attempt to improve his position at any stage of the race despite it pulling for most of the trip - his words. Why he did that will be determined at the enquiry. Incompetence at the very minimum.
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Just about every race has a questionable ride. In my punting hey-day, I never worried about it, I guessed for every time you backed a horse that was not "on the job", there was another race where an opposition runner not being put into the race, allowed yours to win. Still, a far better look to see them all being ridden to win. I suspect the real villains are those that intentionally manage to get horses beaten without people noticing, especially when they are close up in the placings. One name comes strongly to mind....
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Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Just about every race has a questionable ride. In my punting hey-day, I never worried about it, I guessed for every time you backed a horse that was not "on the job", there was another race where an opposition runner not being put into the race, allowed yours to win. Still, a far better look to see them all being ridden to win. I suspect the real villains are those that intentionally manage to get horses beaten without people noticing, especially when they are close up in the placings. One name comes strongly to mind....
It's not the point of course but I suspect we've all been the recipient of a couple of those Max. The question often surrounds what instructions were given to the rider. Think we all accept bad luck etc but some rides are far more questionable than others - which is where I think your points system could come in very nicely. 
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racing is totally rigged, just have fun and throw a few darts ThreeBroke

you often wonder why shorties are parked behind backsides or not ridden to suit

jockeys are all crims, wouldn't trust them to hold church money
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people like blake shinn make me sick, that pr1ck hooked many horses and they gave him a visa to ride in america....what an effin joke is racing !

he should be locked up and assaulted !
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Tongue in cheek presumably.
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