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    Posted: 24 Oct 2009 at 6:53am
Said to be the mark of a good horse, apart from Fields of Omagh are there any other well known horses with one of these? Interesting theory
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Interesting theory?? nah, just silly nonsense.
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There are also many unknown horses with those.

There's also a theory about certain kinds of whirls in the hair and the number/length of socks. I really don't see much to those kinds of ideas though. 
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Just read it on a site about FOO and it said that so was curious as I had never seen another horse with one.
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pure fantasy....had a breeder talk me into one when i was starting out.....was very very slow
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Whorls are also supposedly a sign of a great horse ...... Miss Finland had 3 on her face.
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My foal last year was born with the "thumb" imprint Thumbs Up. In keeping with the so called "good luck horse" scenario, I also freeze branded her 88 over 8LOL
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whether it is true or not  i don't know but it gives an added part to your dreams so cannot be badBig smile

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Originally posted by kiwi88 kiwi88 wrote:

Said to be the mark of a good horse, apart from Fields of Omagh are there any other well known horses with one of these? Interesting theory


Strapped one years ago. Won some races but certainly no champion or even top class galloper.
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Reality -it is a hoofprint [indentation] caused by the way the foetus is lying. End of story.
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A prophet’s thumb print is said to be caused by the position of a hind foot during foetal development, in that the hoof is resting on the neck when the foal is curled up in his mother’s belly. That it is the mark of a good horse is one of the many old fashioned superstition-like sayings. Lots of horses have them and probably more slow than fast.

 

Most horses have whirls too and they are even used to identify racehorses that lack obvious markings, in fact it’s rare to find a horse without whirls.

 

It has got me thinking about those old sayings, most I learned when I was a kid. Here’s a few I remember, others here may know a few more:

 

A blood mark was the sign of good blood or a well bred horse. It’s a dark patch of hair usually seen on chestnuts and greys. (That arose from the days of station bred racehorses when there were many dubious pedigrees. It’s not that common, but I have seen lot with it.)

 

Making a snorting sound while working is the sign of a strong horse. (I now know that happens to a horse with small nostrils, hardly a strong horse trait?)

 

Two white eyes are the sign of a mad horse. (Maybe a smidgeon of truth to this one? But not always true).

 

Plow/draught horses wore brasses on their harness (pendent like badges made of brass) to ward-off bad luck. (Today many trainers have brass buckles on their race bridles, most just because it looks nice though).

 

And the old socks saying (not the original version but close): 1 sock buy him, 2 socks try him, 3 socks deny him, 4 socks pass by him.  (I have met a lot of nice horses with 4 white socks and the best horse I’ve ever bred had 3)

 

As kid I always loved the “One One was a racehorse” poem. You would write it like so:

1- 1 was a racehorse

2- 2 was 1-2

1-1- 1- 1 race

2-2 -1-1-2

From then on anything with 1 1 on the shoulder “was a racehorse” and I have often heard other people say this. It’s just a bit of fun, however I have seen a few good ones branded that way.

 

More recently a fun one: if you are hosing down a yearling for the first time and he lets you put the hose in his mouth with gently running water, you say “aaahhh, he’s a racehorse” because he’s letting you wet his mouth.

 

And another I heard from a trainer with I think it was Malaysian owners, when inspecting a horse the first thing they would do is walk up and wrap a hand around the horse’s ear and if the ear was bigger that the owners hand they would say “Donngki” “he no good” and just walk away.

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Sorry Nod didn't refresh before posting and failed to see your post.

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Yours was much more interesting OTR -especially the bit about the ears. I won't buy a horse unless it has decent sized ears, the longer the better, and P Moroney agrees .
Don't no why, it's just something noted over the years.
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Originally posted by On The Range On The Range wrote:

A blood mark was the sign of good blood or a well bred horse. It’s a dark patch of hair usually seen on chestnuts and greys. (That arose from the days of station bred racehorses when there were many dubious pedigrees. It’s not that common, but I have seen lot with it.)

  

 
I was told and have always called them Bend Or spots . I,ve just always assumed that they originated or were at least present on the stallion Bend Or but have never had that confirmed .
Maybe someone else can add something extra ?
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Thats interesting Mr P, I’ve never heard it called that before. It’s an old term, sometimes used by vets to describe the mark on racehorse I.D’s. It’s more of a mottled patch than a spot.

 

Leads me to say that Sir Tristram could produce the odd horse with white spots and I had one out of a Sovereign Edition mare that looked like an appy, he had black and white spots?

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Never heard of it - read it on a Dynamic Syndications website.

Many seen horses with these?


'Horses with "prophet's thumb" markings are considered "blessed."

As the legend goes: "The Prophet Mohamed tested his horses by depriving them of water for three days. He then released them near a waterhole but before they reached it, he sounded his horn to summon them back without drinking."

"Only 5 mares responded, returning to him immediately without drinking. These 5 he blessed and he only kept these 5 for breeding." 

"To easily identify them, he pressed his thumb into their necks, leaving an indentation, which these mares passed on to their offspring." 

It's said any horses bearing a "prophet's thumb" marking ~ "is blessed."


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Wenona Girl had one Sir Gov fwiw.
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I always thought those marks were the result of an injury or an ailment.
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Sir Guv please use the search function in future, you only needed the word 'prophet'.


Edited by Gay3 - 05 Jul 2017 at 6:45pm
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Sir Guv please use the search function in future, you only needed the word 'prophet'.

No probs - stunned there was a thread on it.

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The mark of the prophet / prophet's thumb is said to signify a special horse ...  not necessarily a fast one, just a special one.
It, like the story of the bloody shoulder has it's origin in Bedouin folklore / stories about  Arabian horses.  The story of that mark may have been 'borrowed' by TB / other horse breeders but something has definitely been lost in the translation if anyone is trying to suggest it means or has ever meant anything more than the horse with that markl is a 'special' horse.

I've had a few - Arabs and TB's, and each was 'special'  ... would they have been special without having that mark on their neck?    I'd like to think so.  :)





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It is what it is, mythical, just like my darling mum , telling me to eat my crusts it would make my hair go curly, always had straight hair until most fell out, unfortunately she wasn't around to see the end result, would of gave her a little giggle anyhow.
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There was one Darley had here at stud.   Their early days when the stallions were on the place at Sandy Hollow.   The old Collingrove.  Where Rorys Jester started out.  
An old ,  well known ,  reputable trainer was with me and he said   " look at that " !!!!
Me said,   "What " ?
He said .   " That horse has 2 of Allahs thumb prints, "  and  he pointed them out to me and told me the legend.
From memory I think the stallion was Kings Best ???    Stunning looker. Print on each side of his chest.  
And what did he produce ???  
Carioca, if I told you who, you would know him.  His wife trained too.
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Trainer?...could only think maybe Johnny Page?
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