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    Posted: 22 May 2018 at 8:19pm
Good move by the Victorian Govt.Clap

Assaults on paramedics to be put in same category as murder in Victoria

Updated Mon at 7:14pm

Any attack on Victoria's emergency service workers will be treated the same as murder and rape by the courts under tough reforms to be imposed by the State Government.

Cabinet agreed on Monday to have attacks on first responders and prison staff that resulted in injury classified as a category-one offence, which requires the court to impose a custodial sentence.

The Victorian Government has been under significant pressure after two women were spared jail time despite being found guilty of a serious assault on paramedics.

Last week, a paramedic was admitted to hospital with back and facial injuries after being spat at and punched by a patient.

The previous Coalition government introduced mandatory jail time for attacks on emergency service workers but the women were able to access special circumstances rules to avoid incarceration.

Premier Daniel Andrews met with the Police Association and Ambulance Employees Association, who have been calling for people to be jailed for such attacks, regardless of circumstance.

Police Minister Lisa Neville said the changes would close those loopholes.

"This is about sending a very strong message — you will see a custodial sentence," she said.

"You might claim you've been drunk or on drugs, [that] will not allow you out of serving time."

Under a category-one offence a custodial sentence is required, and not a community-based order.

Custodial sentences can include mental health centres.

Attackers deserve 'full force of the law'

Ambulance union secretary Steve McGhie told ABC Radio Melbourne he believed putting attacks on emergency service workers in the same category as serious crimes was appropriate.

"They're there to care for people, not there to be used as punching bags and footballs," he said.

"And if someone takes it upon themselves that that's what they think a paramedic is there for and they can punch them, spit at them, threaten them with knives, threaten them with guns … if they think that's acceptable then I think the full force of the law should come down on them.

"I don't think it will quite fix the problem but it'll certainly go a long way to sending a strong message that when people do take that action of assaulting emergency service workers, and certainly frontline health workers, then there are serious ramifications from that," he said.

How the legal change works for juvenile offenders is yet to be determined and the laws will be introduced in the coming weeks.

The Opposition promised to introduce changes to tighten special circumstances when Parliament resumes on Tuesday.

The Andrews Government is also considering how to tighten rules around special provisions when it comes to drug and alcohol-affected people.

Topics: crimelaw-crime-and-justiceprisons-and-punishmentgovernment-and-politicsstate-parliamentmelbourne-3000,vic

First posted Mon at 6:14pm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-21/assaulting-paramedics-to-be-category-one-offence-in-victoria/9784448

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So when they say they say it will be treated like rape they are putting the paramedics on trial? The same as they do to rape victims way too often?
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I like the bit about booze and drugs not being an "out" for the assault. Clap   These things should be looked at in all states , not just Vic.  
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This is a knee jerk reaction by the Marxist Victorian Government, who a week ago thought it was quite acceptable for those two scrags to avoid any jail time, after they broke an ambo's leg for trying to assist them.

It wasn't until a petition with over 320,000 signatures demanded change, that this gutless ALP/Greens Collusion Government suddenly saw it as an issue worth considering ...they get no credit for this.Thumbs Down
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Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

This is a knee jerk reaction by the Marxist Victorian Government, who a week ago thought it was quite acceptable for those two scrags to avoid any jail time, after they broke an ambo's leg for trying to assist them.

It wasn't until a petition with over 320,000 signatures demanded change, that this gutless ALP/Greens Collusion Government suddenly saw it as an issue worth considering ...they get no credit for this.Thumbs Down

So it's a bad idea, or it's a good idea but you hate it because Labor are doing it?
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They should absolutely be jailed for assaulting emergency service workers.
I have a grand daughter that is an Ambo and a grandson that’s in the Police force and the things they have to deal with, I don’t know how they do it.
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Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

This is a knee jerk reaction by the Marxist Victorian Government, who a week ago thought it was quite acceptable for those two scrags to avoid any jail time, after they broke an ambo's leg for trying to assist them.

It wasn't until a petition with over 320,000 signatures demanded change, that this gutless ALP/Greens Collusion Government suddenly saw it as an issue worth considering ...they get no credit for this.Thumbs Down

So it's a bad idea, or it's a good idea but you hate it because Labor are doing it?

Did you need to leave the corner of the room and stop sucking your thumb to ask that? ... ask marble. 
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Its a wonderful idea.  Booze and drugs are no excuse.  No one forces you to take either.  Do the crime do the time.  In fact I would be all for taking anyone who bashes emergency services people out and giving them a taste of their own medicine.
Yeah yeah, I know.  The bleeding hearts will be telling me how uncivilised I am,  but a good wollop or 2 never did anyone any harm if administered correctly, by the toe of a size 10 coppers boot up the bum.
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Their faces should be tattooed.

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"A loophole exists in the mandatory six-month minimum sentence for offenders who commit offences against emergency workers on duty, if special circumstances exist.

Warren, a mother of four, and Underwood had been staring down jail time, but Judge Cotterell ruled the pair had made "enormous" efforts to turn their lives around after "appalling" childhoods and battles with drug, alcohol and mental-health problems.

She also found both women were probably mentally impaired during the attack on March 31, 2016."

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The former circumstances are no excuse & as to the latter, of course they were, no sane person would act like this pair did Angry
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

"A loophole exists in the mandatory six-month
minimum sentence for offenders who commit offences against emergency
workers on duty, if special circumstances exist.
<p -reactid="491" -gtm-vis-recent-on-screen-6236702_632="21586" -gtm-vis-first-on-screen-6236702_632="21586" -gtm-vis-total--time-6236702_632="4000" -gtm-vis-has-fired-6236702_632="1">Warren,
a mother of four, and Underwood had been staring down jail time, but
Judge Cotterell ruled the pair had made "enormous" efforts to turn their
lives around after "appalling" childhoods and battles with drug,
alcohol and mental-health problems.

She also found both women were probably mentally impaired during the attack on March 31, 2016."

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The former circumstances are no excuse & as to the latter, of course they were, no sane person would act like this pair did Angry



That is interesting Gay, I am having a civilized debate on twitter on that very subject, myself coming from your point of view but my protagonist makes some good points.

If you are going to have mandatory sentencing than the Government must probably fund mental health departments to deal with these situations and protect ambulance officers.

Sending people to prison automatically does not in itself protect the ambulance officers in the moment the incident takes place.



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Must properly fund not probably fund £


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Absolute load of bollocks. Hate to think how many times over the years governments of all persuasions rabbit on about new tougher laws. One thing to have a law - quite another to enforce it to its max. Always get out clauses. This will just be another one
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Why is it any worse to assault a paramedic than some totally innocent person in the wrong place at the wrong time ? I suppose you could argue that they are more exposed from a frequency perspective - that's about it. The crime is no worse. Maybe sling them a bit of danger money !
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If you threaten to and/or assault an emergency worker, when/If you ever require help, The Emerrgency services should refuse to help you.
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Next we will need new laws for parking officers ! I mean they ARE at high risk
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Of course these idiots are drunk or drugged.  No sober, normal person would do this.   They are always "making efforts".   Yeah, right.  So let them get out and do some work in the community to show how sorry they really are. 
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I reckon if we ever got all TBV members to a greeting party you would need a new set of laws. Would be absolute carnage. First new rule - all baseball bats to be left at front door !
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Assaulting an ESW and you should die.
Throw them out of a helicopter into the ocean on a weekly basis..
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Originally posted by Xavier Xavier wrote:

Assaulting an ESW and you should die.
Throw them out of a helicopter into the ocean on a weekly basis..


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Under the influence of drugs &/or alcohol, of course you're going to be mentally impaired!
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I couldn't believe it when I first heard that assaults on nurses and ambos were a regular occurrence. In an insane assylum, well yeah, that figures, but outside of that- that's crazy.

Has this been going on forever and I just wasn't aware of it or is it something that started happening recently?
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I would imagine it is more regular than it was as with everything.




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Agree djebel - but why should that be ? With all these increased laws, our harmonious multicultural society, all the back patting well wishers, the new age parenting ect,ect I would have thought most things would be getting better/safer. Most odd !
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Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Agree djebel - but why should that be ? With all these increased laws, our harmonious multicultural society, all the back patting well wishers, the new age parenting ect,ect I would have thought most things would be getting better/safer. Most odd !

As everything gets bigger so do the ghettos. 

Unfortunately as our freedoms have become more so, so have those who abuse them.




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Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:


Agree djebel - but why should that be ? With all these increased laws, our harmonious multicultural society, all the back patting well wishers, the new age parenting ect,ect I would have thought most things would be getting better/safer. Most odd !


As everything gets bigger so do the ghettos. 

Unfortunately as our freedoms have become more so, so have those who abuse them.



No right minded person would abuse a paramedic in trauma, it's ICE! the scourge of society imo.
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Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Under the influence of drugs &/or alcohol, of course you're going to be mentally impaired!



Yep.   Of course .  You are going to be a complete nutter.   But.  You choose to use/take them,  so no excuse for your actions.    No excuse at all.    You get off your face and need help, and then assault that help,,for mine i wouldnt care if you died.    When the ambos rock up, if its a druggo or alcho , and they are agressive, dont treat them.  Let them wallow in their own s**t. 
Make it law.    Agressive idiots dont get help,,,
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