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Topic: Kinane
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Kinane
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 12:04pm
Mick Kent owned Chris Waller trained.

What is the story here ?

KINANE (NZ)Bay gelding 2016 
Reliable Man
Grey 2008
Dalakhani
Grey 2000
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Bay 1975
Mill Reef
Hardiemma
1968
1969
22-d
1-l
Delsy
Brown 1972
Abdos
Kelty
1959
1965
1-e
13-c
Daltawa
Grey 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Damana
Grey 1981
Crystal Palace
Denia
1974
1973
10-e
9-e
On Fair Stage
Bay 1993
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Fair Salinia
Bay or brown 1975
Petingo
Bay 1965
Petition
Alcazar
1944
1957
16-g
22>
Fair Arabella
Bay or brown 1968
Chateaugay
Locust Time
1960
1955
16-g
16-c
Tres Rapide
Bay 2011
Nom du Jeu
Brown 2004
Montjeu
Bay 1996
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Floripedes
Bay 1985
Top Ville
Toute Cy
1976
1979
8-i
1-u
Prized Gem
Bay 1997
Prized
Bay or brown 1986
Kris S
My Turbulent Miss
1977
1976
10-a
8-c
Vaguely Attentive
Bay 1987
Noble Bijou
Treaura
1971
1980
1-s
5>
Suriyan
Brown 2006
Savabeel
Brown 2001
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Savannah Success
Brown 1995
Success Express
Alma Mater
1985
1988
17-b
1-o
Dazzling Belle
Bay 1996
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Solar
1983
1973
A4
10-b
Bella Nova
Bay 1982
Star Way
Last Light
1977
1974
6-e
8-k
 Ancestor duplications:Sadler's Wells3f x 4m


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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 1:21pm
Wanted to give it to someone who knows how to train staters.šŸ˜‚

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Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 1:22pm
Mick is going on holidays for a few months, transferring a few horses to other suitable trainers. 


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 12:57pm
If this horse does not bring Kent back from holidays nothing will.

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Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 2:28pm
Nice win and the way he won indicates he'll improve with distance.

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Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2020 at 10:15pm
Will he be sold to Hong Kong?

Please use the search before starting new threads Angry djebel had already started one!


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2020 at 1:26am
Hope not. 

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Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2020 at 12:14pm
Just heard big offer on table


Posted By: Schillaci
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2020 at 3:57pm
How big and by whom?


Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2020 at 10:44pm
Not hard to guess from were! How much? Well thatā€™s second hand. So not much good to b saying


Posted By: Lopartega
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 3:59pm
According to some articles offers of more than 2mil on the table and rising


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 4:34pm
It is impossible to knock those offers back.

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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 4:58pm
Good to see some people still have money. Reported $2.2m for this guy and $1.5m for master montaro who hasn't even qualified yet


Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2020 at 8:24pm
What are qualifications for sale to HK?
?


Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 12:37pm
It used to be simple (win a race worth this much, place in a race of this stakes level etc). Now it's at the discretion of the HK rating committee whether a horse qualifies or not.  


Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2020 at 11:51pm
Sounds like those HK offers have been formally rejected for now.

Staying in Aust for the SA Derby šŸ‘


Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 8:35pm
Tipping major shareholder is ramping price up


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 7:01pm
https://www.racenet.com.au/news/journalist/richard-callander" rel="nofollow - Richard Callander

Connections of the new boom horse Kinane knocked back a motza for the gelding, but did they do the right thing?

QUALITY HORSE, BUT WHAT IS QUALITY WORTH?

Would you have taken $2.5m for Kinane?

You know Kinane, the three-year-old GELDING by Reliable Man who has had four starts for two wins and won prizemoney of $102,990.

I most definitely would have, but I suppose your answer would be dictated by your financial position, or how much you are captivated by the romance of the turf.

The offer was as genuine as the gold in the Royal Australian Mint and, if it had been accepted Kinane would have been off to Honkers.

There are 14 registered owners of the horse and my understanding is the two largest shareholders own close to 45 per cent between them.

I believe most of the syndicate had a hook-up on Friday, and they agreed beforehand that it would be one in all in, or one out all out.

My mail is the voting was not unanimous, but the ā€œdonā€™t sellsā€ won out and the horse will continue on to the https://www.racenet.com.au/group-one-races/south-australian-derby" rel="nofollow - South Australian Derby on Saturday week, May 9.

Or will he? I keep asking myself when you say NO to such an offer are there bigger fish to fry. Is he better off heading to the paddock now and looking to the spring and perhaps a https://www.racenet.com.au/caulfield-cup" rel="nofollow - Caulfield Cup or https://www.racenet.com.au/cox-plate" rel="nofollow - Cox Plate ?

What will be his preferred distance? Is he a genuine stayer or more a 2000m specialist?

There are a lot of questions to answer moving forward.

Who knows, after the SA https://www.racenet.com.au/tracks/wa/derby" rel="nofollow - Derby he might be worth $4m. Then again he might get beaten and only be worth $400,000.

Win or lose a sale is always on the table for discussion.

But racing is a gamble isnā€™t it?



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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 7:14pm
BTW, anyone know how Mick Kent is?


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2020 at 7:39pm
Thanks Gay, a bit of "news" is always welcome in the Racing forum.Here's my reaction to the Fat Man's piece.

ps for Carioca: Mick Kent is a successful Vic trainer who's having a well earned spell overseas.

Connections of the new boom horse Kinane knocked back a motza for the gelding, but did they do the right thing?

QUALITY HORSE, BUT WHAT IS QUALITY WORTH?

Would you have taken $2.5m for Kinane?  You know Kinane, the three-year-old GELDING by Reliable Man who has had four starts for two wins and won prizemoney of $102,990. We know his form.  And why highlight "gelding"?

I most definitely would have, but I suppose your answer would be dictated by your financial position, or how much you are captivated by the romance of the turf. Well duh. (where's the roll eyes emoticon?)

The offer was as genuine as the gold in the Royal Australian Mint and, if it had been accepted Kinane would have been off to Honkers. Well duh again.

I believe most of the syndicate had a hook-up on Friday, and they agreed beforehand that it would be one in all in, or one out all out. That simply doesn't make sense. My mail is the voting was not unanimous, 14 owners so that's no surprise but the ā€œdonā€™t sellsā€ won out what happened to one in all in one out all out? and the horse will continue on to the  https://www.racenet.com.au/group-one-races/south-australian-derby" rel="nofollow - South Australian Derby  on Saturday week, May 9.

Or will he? I keep asking myself when you say NO to such an offer are there bigger fish to fry. Well if they knocked back a $2m offer they clearly have bigger fish to fry Is he better off heading to the paddock now and looking to the spring and perhaps a  https://www.racenet.com.au/caulfield-cup" rel="nofollow - Caulfield Cup  or  https://www.racenet.com.au/cox-plate" rel="nofollow - Cox Plate ? What difference would one more run make?

What will be his preferred distance? Is he a genuine stayer or more a 2000m specialist?  There are a lot of questions to answer moving forward. Well yet another duh, there'll are always questions about a young horse's distance capablity.

Who knows, after the SA  https://www.racenet.com.au/tracks/wa/derby" rel="nofollow - Derby  he might be worth $4m. The duh's just keep coming, why would a win in a race like the SA Derby increase his value by 50%? Then again he might get beaten and only be worth $400,000.  So a loss would reduce his current value by 700% - give us a break.

Win or lose a sale is always on the table for discussion. Tell us something we don't already know But racing is a gamble isnā€™t it?  Well why not end a total pish piece with an entirely trite finale?  



Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 8:28am
To be fair one in all in one out all out means if they sell some of them aren't allowed to keep their share - it's saying they either sell 100% of the horse or nothing.

Also it's not a 700% decrease in value.. it's an 84% decrease.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 11:28am
Was just talking round figures and pressed the 0 button twice.Who's going to get uptight about 14%?  Smile


Posted By: mikey
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2020 at 11:17pm
https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 2:02pm
Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy

Pure unadulterated Australasianism.

The rise in trip would not hurt him.

The rise in class might do.




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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 6:15pm
According to my weather map ( Fox ) Adelaide has had 5 inches of rain this month, if that is right maybe Sydney to Morphetville is considered an arduous task over 2500 in the heavy, so Brisbane the obvious, the rain imo have put the " slows" on a derby run.


Posted By: Daraabah
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 9:43pm
...should have sold him, IMHO.


Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 9:47pm
As I mentioned before! It has purely been a price ramp up! The ex trainer owns 25% . He would sell in a heart beat if that price was true!!


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 11:00pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/news/2020-04-29/news-kinanes-sa-derby-doubt-beasy


Pure unadulterated Australasianism.

The rise in trip would not hurt him.

The rise in class might do.




Sydney to Adelaide I doubt constitutes a rise in class especially given that warning is likely to miss.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2020 at 11:30pm
Taking on Dalasan at 2500m is a rise in grade.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 1:52pm
Dodging the big boys.

Off to Brisbane.

2500m too soon for this fella. Where have we heard that from before ?




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Posted By: mikey
Date Posted: 04 May 2020 at 3:11pm
Oh no. Reject $2.8 million offer and now placing the horse (a gelding) in cotton wool. Invariably something goes wrong when this is tried.


Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 10:16pm
Looking at the revamped Qld winter carnival, it would appear that the 2 most suitable 3yo races for Kinane are the Gunsynd Stks 1800m & Rough Habit Plate 2200m.

A shame heā€™s not clashing with Dalasan & co in the SA Derby, but winning those 2 races in Qld should be sufficient to see him well placed for a Caulfield Cup berth in the Spring.


Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 05 May 2020 at 10:24pm
If he passes a hk vet? He will be sold! Feel itā€™s just a price ramp!!


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 5:47pm
He was badly in need of the run, judging by the foam between his hind legs running right down to his fetlocks. Does he always wear a shadow roll? He appeared to resent it behind the gates.

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 5:57pm
very difficult to win drawn where it was, at that start.


Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 6:00pm
There is no way he could have won from where he was back and wide. Jury is out. 


Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 6:57pm
Just looked up, the noseroll was applied before his first start. Been on ever since


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 8:37pm
Lest said the better.

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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 8:56pm
The effort by the horse was fine. Nice tune up for the main aim of the Rough Habit Plate over 2200m next month.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 9:11pm
Exactly LH.


Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 9:59pm
Why is the rough habit the main aim and not the derby?


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 10:12pm
Maybe because there's no Queensland Derby this year.Wink


Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 23 May 2020 at 11:03pm
2 weeks to freshen after trip to Qld and start in Stradbroke. Coildsurprise with little weight..


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 12:33pm
The Straddie is pretty left field there Majestic!

But heā€™s not actually entered for that race. I donā€™t think id bet against him in the Rough habit Plate next time out.



Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 1:42pm
Do not think he was appreciating the padded whip.

Despite the whip causing no pain.


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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 1:57pm
Several said that in the Racenet comments djebel. Funny how it's painless but they swish their tails at each strike Wink


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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 2:16pm
Super-duper extra reinforced around the edges, to hold the padding in.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 4:43pm
He's a tail swisher and imo they are not very genuine , throwing up a signal " I'm not enjoying this", hands and heels for this horse, of all the races run yesterday you most likely could count on one hand the amount of tail swishing horses, the very good ones don't do to my knowledge , never seen the race but if sweating up badly Waller may have backed off and left him soft? like the 2 y/o overlord who raced fiercely and compounded when then chips were down , 2-8 mill. bid for this horse , they pay that for unbroken yearlings, I woulda took the money, just my thoughts fwiw.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 4:47pm
He is 100% genuine.

Watch his debut run for Waller. He is struggling for room in the straight. When he gets clear he charges at the line. He does NOT need the whip to show his best.

Coutrza was a tail swisher. 


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Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 4:58pm
I think Waller went easy on him after his last win and the horse was too fresh going into that race yesterday. Might explain the problems in the float as well. Waller is very good at getting his horses cherry ripe for their GF and that race yesterday wasnā€™t this guys. They canā€™t all be Winx though and win all their lead ups every time.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 5:05pm
Winx was a freak,

Far far superior to her trainer. 


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Posted By: Lopartega
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 6:39pm
Makybe Diva swished her tail the final 200mts of her first Melb Cup win. The tail swishing is drawing a long bow


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 6:50pm
When it coincides with being hit with the apparent feather duster it is probably indicative of something. 

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by Baguette Baguette wrote:

I think Waller went easy on him after his last win and the horse was too fresh going into that race yesterday. Might explain the problems in the float as well. Waller is very good at getting his horses cherry ripe for their GF and that race yesterday wasnā€™t this guys. They canā€™t all be Winx though and win all their lead ups every time.

Was going to post exactly that Baguette. He'll be short odds and civility in the Rough Habit and with ordinary luck should bolt in.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:30pm
Kinane has basically done nothing so far. What's getting people fired up?


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:33pm
He has shown enormous ability. 

His Frank Packer win was as good as Might And Powers. 


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:35pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He has shown enormous ability. LOL

His Frank Packer win was as good as Might And Powers. LOL



LOL

That's a djebel classic.LOL



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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:42pm
Originally posted by Lopartega Lopartega wrote:

Makybe Diva swished her tail the final 200mts of her first Melb Cup win. The tail swishing is drawing a long bow
When they start swishing their tail, I know Iā€™ve done my dough.

Your example is an outlier, every rule has exceptions.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 7:56pm
Makybe was probably feeling it when switching the tail, however the alternate assistance allegedly given her clearly won the day. Tongue


Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 24 May 2020 at 8:08pm
as an aside, as a youngster we were given a huge tip to back Risley In a Brisbane by one of the commission agents.

We were told not to back it until the 2nd call, but the interstate ring was in a frenzy, so we charged in and had our last on it.
Watched the money just keep coming for it right until the jump.

It tacked on last, coming to the bend, just as my brother said It must come home with a wet sail, it just swishing itā€™s tail like no ones business. Our hearts sank.

Never looked like passing a horse.

Last runner ever trained by George Brown......


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 12:09pm
I read it arrived on course bleeding from the hip and the offside nostril, why would anyone start a horse they have an opinion of on that shoddy track and with such float injuries? 

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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 12:28pm
I heard them talking about "abraisons" too.  Then I thought to myself , the way it teacted when hit with the whip in the straight, that horse seriously doesnt want to be there.
( The whip that they tell us doesnt hurt at all Cry,  Hmmmm ).


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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 12:29pm
PS.  I suppose since they turned down such a big offer, they now feel they have to run, run, run, to get their money,s worth.


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Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 1:52pm
I think Sky horse made a gallant effort just behind Kinane from last!


Posted By: mikey
Date Posted: 25 May 2020 at 10:40pm
Re tail swishers - Look at Makybe Diva in the last 100 metres of her first Melbourne Cup win in 2003! Went on to win 2 more Melbourne Cups, a Sydney Cup, A Cox Plate....they can be genuine LOL.


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 4:05am
When I heard about the float incident, and the fact that there was still concern about how fairly the track might play - reported in the morning on Sky - I doubled my bet on Supergiant!Thumbs Up



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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 4:18am
Originally posted by rusty nails rusty nails wrote:

as an aside, as a youngster we were given a huge tip to back Risley In a Brisbane by one of the commission agents.

We were told not to back it until the 2nd call, but the interstate ring was in a frenzy, so we charged in and had our last on it.
Watched the money just keep coming for it right until the jump.

It tacked on last, coming to the bend, just as my brother said It must come home with a wet sail, it just swishing itā€™s tail like no ones business. Our hearts sank.

Never looked like passing a horse.

Last runner ever trained by George Brown......

I love these stories - better when the plunge horse wins by a nostril of course!Cry
 
Interesting read for you rusty ... was this the race? ... hard to believe that this family would be involved of course.Wink

Racing family at odds over brother's amazing claim


https://www.centralwesterndaily.com.au/story/906388/racing-family-at-odds-over-brothers-amazing-claim/" rel="nofollow - https://www.centralwesterndaily.com.au/story/906388/racing-family-at-odds-over-brothers-amazing-claim/


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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 9:33am
very good Doc, got it in one!


Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 10:12am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

When it coincides with being hit with the apparent feather duster it is probably indicative of something. 

I swish at flies  but they donā€™t hurt, just annoy


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 10:49am
Horse flies hurt.Cry



Black fly with large green eyes

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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 1:37pm
Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

Re tail swishers - Look at Makybe Diva in the last 100 metres of her first Melbourne Cup win in 2003! Went on to win 2 more Melbourne Cups, a Sydney Cup, A Cox Plate....they can be genuine LOL.


But she still put in and stretched out and won.  He looked unconfortable, with his head up, ears back,  and short strides, as well as the tail going.  Often see the old tail swish but they stretch out and try , he didnt until it was way too late. Maybe he hit a part of the track he didnt like, maybe he resented the whip, who knows, but he looked thoroughly unhappy to me. But, thats just MHO and I am no expert. Big smile


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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Horse flies hurt.Cry



Black fly with large green eyes




Now, that is when I do pull the stick. Once they latch onšŸ˜¤šŸ˜¤šŸ˜¤šŸ˜¤šŸ˜¤


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 4:41pm
They are nasty stingers arnt they !  Was really bad here about a month ago.  Kept me inside for a few weeks.


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Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 5:40pm
Biggest fly I've ever seen


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 26 May 2020 at 8:53pm
Watched this horses run for the first time just now and hadn't realised what a good run it was , all this considered float fiasco, blood in nostril, track racing badly in patches his best work was late but boy oh boy he resents a smack on the rump ( or is he getting hit low?)
my initial post re tail swishing was on his Randwick win , he may well be genuine but to me he's a hands and heals job and whips a last resort, time will tell as VE had this little trait early in her career ( I think lol) racing may change all that. my I-pad playing up last 10 days , Telstra says it's fixed, they really tell you rubbish , this site and local weather , that's it.


Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 28 May 2020 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Maybe because there's no Queensland Derby this year.Wink

Just saw this. That's a pretty good reason! LOL


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 8:58pm
Gone for a spell.



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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 9:05pm
Being set for the Caulfield Cup.

Note: this race almost certainly to be held in late November.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 10:06pm
The horse is well and truly good enough to win anything in Australia at 2000m and beyond.

Not sure his trainer is quite so.

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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 10:51pm
Shouldā€™ve gone to Adelaide
Wouldā€™ve beaten Russian Camelot by five lengths


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 May 2020 at 10:59pm


Not sure about.

We have some exciting spring middle distant prospects.

How much will they be wasted in short course races ?

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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 4:40pm
Probably should’ve taken the big money


Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2020 at 4:47pm
I really wanted him to win if only for Brent Zerafa LOL

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Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 3:47pm
I see that with scratchings he’s got a start in the Bart Cummings Stakes tomorrow.

Interesting riding engagement - Damian Oliver!

Can Oli kick this horse into gear & get his Spring back on track?

I couldn’t back him, but would love to see him win to give connections a boost after turning down the HK mega bucks earlier this year.


Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 6:09pm
Isn't Mick Kent and owner? I think that is why Oli was able to be engaged.

 


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 7:02pm
Now if only he can find 6 lengths...


Posted By: Lopartega
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 7:42pm
I backed him last start. He had a similar run to Chapada in that race and that horse ran past him like he was a bm58 horse. Tomorrows distance will suit but can I pull the trigger again? Don't think I can.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 8:33pm
He is getting to backable odds.

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 8:45pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He is getting to backable odds.


How many lengths off the lead do you expect him to be?Shocked


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 8:46pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He is getting to backable odds.


How many lengths off the lead do you expect him to be?Shocked


On the home turn.


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 9:44pm
He has an awkward gate otherwise I'd expect him to settle in the first half.

This trip he should be closer.


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2020 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

He is getting to backable odds.


How many lengths off the lead do you expect him to be?Shocked


On the home turn.


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Posted By: Foxseal
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 11:18am
Well so much for that, he’s been scratched today.

Not sure if the whole Spring campaign is over? Or whether he’s just being redirected away from Cups to some lesser target races?


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 11:25am
Or maybe any race where he hasn't drawn the carpark from a horrendous barrier position.

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 1:28pm
Was scratched with vets certificate so must have a problem 


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Or maybe any race where he hasn't drawn the carpark from a horrendous barrier position.

Finch said barriers 1 to 8 have won 95% of the last 502 Flemington 2500m races.

I think I heard him correctly.  Wasn't paying attention. 


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2020 at 5:10pm
503 Wink

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2021 at 2:08pm
Still listed as being in the paddock.
Does anyone have any updates on him?


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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2021 at 9:17pm
Notice this guy has the CJW and is now back with his original trainer (Mick Kent), who is also a part owner.


Posted By: mikey
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2021 at 1:20pm
I think the Wheels fell off when they decided not to run him in the SA Derby. The way he won the Frank Packer Plate & ran through the line looked like he was screaming out for a staying distance. It was hard to see him not being competitive with Russian Camelot, Dalasan and Warning in that SA Derby - he might have even won, raised his rating and last spring could have been completely different.

Instead they got precious with him, brought him back in distance for a race in Queensland, and he never came up in the Spring.

Should have run him in the SA Derby. Big mistake.



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