America needs to BAN GUNS
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Topic: America needs to BAN GUNS
Posted By: Redemption
Subject: America needs to BAN GUNS
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 11:30am
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America needs to ban guns, end of story. I, like many, supported their rights, the 2nd Amendment. But, it has to be eliminated. Americas requires a sweeping resolve, by first taking everyones guns. People such as Alex Jones, believes this leads to tyranny, ultimate power of dictators, etc What they leave out in that fantasy, is that Police will still have guns. The public must place faith in police. Whilst there are indeed cases of police brutality, if public place ultimate faith in them to be the only ones with guns, it can actually positively empower the police, in a good way. Police are there to PROTECT people, so it isnt even a total ban on guns, because police will still have them. The whole Second Amendment is total garbage. What right does some moron have to enter a shopping centre, a school, and just kill dozens of people. Their access to such opportunity, is far too easy. We can argue all day until the cows come home, that this is society having a mental breakdown, and we shouldnt blame guns. However as it stands, guns are the very weapon causing massacres, so we can indeed blame the tool of choice too. People like Alex Jones have to stop with the whole Tyranny fear mongering garbage, because there is REAL FEAR and a REAL TRUTH, guns are smashing innocent people to pieces. And THAT is the EXISTING Tyranny.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 11:50am
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But what about their well regulated militias without guns? Americans love a well regulated militia. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 12:58pm
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And the dumbest argument of all: having guns, can shoot down people with guns. Wow, really morons?? Where were all the "gun people" to shootdown todays shooter??? Epic fail. Guns arent banned, yet nobody shot the shooter.
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 1:24pm
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They won’t do anything. American Government has no control |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 1:29pm
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Blue wave next year will bring change. ------------- |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 1:38pm
| Just like Obama did? |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 1:42pm
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That is why it takes a wave. Obama didn't control Congress. ------------- |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 2:21pm
| I suspect the issue is more complex than the Democrats taking control of Congress, the Senate and the White House being enough to bring reform. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 2:34pm
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Party has a lot to do with it. Total Contributions by Party of Recipient  ------------- |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 3:17pm
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2 major gun manufacturers Colt and Remington have filed for bankruptcy along with several large distributors over the last couple of years. There is a paradox in America regarding guns where the gun industry needs Republicans in power to protect gun rights laws, but when Republicans are in power people stop buying guns, believing their rights are safer so no need to stockpile. With Hillary expected to be elected President in 2016, gun manufacturers and distributors stocked up bigly expecting the gun sales boom under Obama to continue. Trump was surprisingly elected and sales collapsed forcing many companies into insolvency. ------------- |
Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 3:37pm
So shooting a bunch of babies at a Walmart might not be as profitable soon. |
Passing Through wrote:Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 3:58pm
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If Democrats win across the board next year it will be huge for gun sales but perilous for gun rights. ------------- |
Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 3:59pm
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It's as clear as day to the whole world except America as to what the problem is! They will never ban guns - I have a bunch of Facebook friends in USA, mostly older retiree ladies (crazy cat ladies) and all of them firmly believe in the right to bear arms. Doesn't matter how many mass shootings there are - that just firms up their belief they need their own protection. It's crazy .......... but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader.
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 4:13pm
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Maybe all households should have the right to a Registered hand gun and heavily penalised if it is taken outside the house. For use in home invasions / burglaries as a self defence. Everyone had a gun in OZ 70 years ago , no problems . Then they decided to house the criminally Insane in the community . We now pay the price for that brainless act. |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 4:39pm
but what else can you expect from a nation that elected an uncouth bully as their leader. We did the same, his name was Abbott |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 4:41pm
VSP, there is hope. The political grip the NRA has on the Republican Party and politics in general appears to be weakening under pressure and multiple criminal and counter intelligence investigations and infighting that has seen changes in leadership accompanied by litigation has exposed major cracks in what has been seen as an impregnable front. The Stoneman Douglas shooting last year with the worldwide reach of those kids who took up the cause of gun control manifest itself in the mid term elections half a dozen Democrats targeted strongly by the NRA influence machine getting elected anyway. One, the former Florida governor who had an A+ NRA rating and a record of record pro gun legislation for Florida changed his views after that school shooting and put restrictions in place. His term ended and he ran for Senate in November The NRA went after him and failed. It was seen as a significant shift. ------------- |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 6:09pm
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More thoughts and prayers required in Ohio now. Reporting 10 or more killed in a shooting incident there ------------- |
Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 6:55pm
Dont worry, Alex Jones will be addressing the world in 5 minutes to say its a left loony paid by George Soros. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 7:06pm
 ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 9:00pm
I also have quite a few friends in the States, and most of them are old ladies like me, and they too are all firmly for being allowed to carry a gun for protection. Like a small little hand gun stuffed in your hand bag is going to save you when some nutter starts shooting with a high powered rapid shot weapon ( that only armed forces should have, or need, access to ) in a shopping mall full of people.  ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 10:16pm
Well geez, that worked well today.
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 5:33am
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America and its huge fascination with guns, they will never ever get it ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 7:49am
Did Viktor ever give Soros his money back? PS the loony right are blaming video games.  ------------- |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 8:30am
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:08am
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Americans will never get rid of their guns, because most of the ones that have guns are paranoid. “There are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and carjackers
and knockout gamers and rapers, haters, campus killers, airport killers
… I ask you: do you trust the government to protect you? We are on our
own … The things we care about most are changing … It’s why more and
more Americans are buying firearms and ammunition.” Wayne LaPierre, Fear, baby, fear. Fear of each other, fear of the world, but above all, fear of democracy and their own government.
------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:11am
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Yes blame Trump of course, not one single shooting happened when Obama was in power ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:17am
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People say its a culture problem. Its a culture in decline. Its essentially a nation of naughty children, and naughty children need their toys confiscated until they grow up and prove themselves capable of playing with their toys properly. When the 2nd Amendment was written, it was written at a time when people werent running into a village or town and just mindlessly shooting innocent people for zero reason, on mass. Had Americas forefathers known this would happen, there is absolutely no way they would have written the 2nd Amendment.
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:28am
In his ''manifesto'' he specifically asked on the bottom of the 4th page to not blame Trump or certain Congressmen(presumably gun loving ones) yet quoted Trump and his Fox advisers many times through it, using the very same rhetoric. He never quoted Obama. ------------- |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:35am
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Dont know if it is true or not but I read this morning Trump people are removing the Trump tweets that refer to ''invasion'' of which there are many, because the terrorist used that term so many times in his ''manifesto'' ------------- |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:53am
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Blame trump lol, once he is out of office in 4 more years, all the shootings will stop and everyone will live happily ever after ------------- EAD |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:23am
| Look fear is a tool which has been used by our parties here in Australia also. When we were asked to hand in our guns after Port Douglas we didn't have the big representation to object to it. You were allowed to keep you guns (or certain types) if you secured them and had them registered etc. I'm sure they have to hand over identification to buy guns in USA also. But why do they need the automatics which were immediately placed on the banned list here. How can police with side arms combat that! Maybe if they could just get those off the streets it would be a start. Aren't they in a different class of weapon etc. So laws could get them off the streets but not worry about the little old ladies and their gun in the purse etc. I don't know or understand it but better some than none. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:35am
If an Australian told you that they kept their cache of weapons because they feared a government tyranny you would think they were nuts.  Although if Dutton ever becomes PM I might start stockpiling too.  ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:37am
Come on Tiger, of course the great orator, Obama, never had anything as horrid as gun violence during his reign. That’s why he did nothing about it 
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:37am
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Port Arthur but yes know exactly what you meant Americans have this mentality with guns and I honestly think it won't change, too much money and corruption involved, it would be a hell hole to visit watching over your back non stop ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:41am
A gold star for you if you can tell us why Obama did very little about it. Starts with an R. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Shammy Davis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:56am
 He was as worthless on the gun issues as he was on everything else.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:59am
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I dont care who is President, They will never get rid of their guns, so dont keep trying to make it a political thing PT. It wont matter who, or which side, sits in the White House, guns are there to stay, and the first candidate to put up their hand and say "vote me in and I will get rid of guns " will vanish into the great black hole. Dont blame Trump for this one ! Its been going on for years and it wont change now, no matter who gets in. Its crazy that people can have access to high powered weapons. No one needs them, unless they are nutters looking to shoot everything that moves. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 11:16am
Desire starts with a “D”. He had no desire to get the deal done |
Posted By: Shammy Davis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 11:23am
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 11:25am
The tyrannical government argument is laughable anyway. Yeh, you’re AK47s are going to stop the biggest military in the world from oppressing you if they decide to. Good one!
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 11:31am
AR-15 - legal + bump stock - legal until March 26 of this year so no doubt millions of the out there and easy to get = BOOM BOOM ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 12:34pm
| if the bad guys have big guns then the good guys need bigger ones. Also freely available for the more adventurous spirits is a flame throwing drone. |
Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 12:44pm
No. Loved children who grow up respecting humanity and all species in general, do not become bad for no reason. Loved children do not become bad, unless that have a neurological disease, be it an undetected tumor, etc. There was a case about a decent man, who suddenly became a rapist and pedo, and they had no idea why, then they found out he had a tumor. What people need to do is cut the religious garbage term of "evil". "oh, he is born evil, or simply just become evil". Its a typical medieval response and that approach has never ever solved anything. Its not Genetic. Its called Epigenetics. Environment, and or a neurological disorder. The issue requires science, not religion.
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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 1:02pm
It must be frustrating for you PT ... the waiting to know if you are going to be "OUTRAGED!!!" by a US shooting spree ... or cheering them on ...  ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Shammy Davis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 1:07pm
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 1:09pm
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I think every American should openly carry a gun. They should at least try it. A comes in and starts shooting. B shoots A dead and is a possible hero except..... C sees B shooting somebody so C shoots B......... Eventually it will stop. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 4:53pm
Dayton, Ohio - AR-15-style assault rifle and a 100-round drum magazine. Rifle and magazine purchased legally.  ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 5:01pm
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Guns and white supremacists dont kill people tlaz, people with mental health issues who play video games do. Guns play no part. ------------- |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 5:03pm
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"The Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions."
— https://www.politifact.com/personalities/national-rifle-association/" rel="nofollow - National Rifle Association on Thursday, October 5th, 2017 in a press release Obama administration’s role
Experts in firearm policy were divided when we asked about the fairness of the NRA’s characterization. Adam Winkler, a law professor at University of California, Los Angeles, who specializes in guns, said it was appropriate to characterize the move as an approval of its sale under the Obama administration. "Not because they liked it, but because the law did not permit them to prohibit it," Winkler said. Other legal experts stressed that it wasn’t an approval, but rather a determination that current law didn’t allow for its regulation. "The statement implies Obama or (U.S. Attorney General Eric) Holder was somehow involved, and that it was an issue that wouldn’t have been approved in any other administration, and that’s technically incorrect," said Rick Vasquez, a former Firearms Technology Branch official who first signed off on the recommendation the ATF could not regulate the Slide Fire. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/06/national-rifle-association/nra-claim-obama-approved-bump-stocks/ But credit where it is due. Trump promised to ban bump stocks and he has delivered. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 5:21pm
And then there is this.Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental IllnessesBy Ali Vitali President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun. The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database. Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database. President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns. Related: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/assault-weapons-not-protected-second-amendment-federal-appeals-court-rules-n724106" rel="nofollow - Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions. Both the House and Senate last week passed the new bill, H.J. Res 40, revoking the Obama-era regulation. Trump signed the bill into law without a photo op or fanfare. The president welcomed cameras into the oval office Tuesday for the signing of other executive orders and bills. News that the president signed the bill was tucked at the bottom of a White House email alerting press to other legislation signed by the president. The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.” Everytown For Gun Safety President John Feinblatt said he expected more gun control rollbacks from the Trump administration. In a statement to NBC News, he called the action "just the first item on the gun lobby’s wish list" and accused the National Rifle Association of "pushing more guns, for more people, in more places." Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, called out Republicans over the move. "Republicans always say we don’t need new gun laws, we just need to enforce the laws already on the books. But the bill signed into law today undermines enforcement of existing laws that Congress passed to make sure the background check system had complete information," he said in an emailed statement. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221" rel="nofollow - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221 ------------- |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 7:00pm
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Of course these shooters are nutters. No sane person does this fiddlesticks !!! ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 7:04pm
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This is why Trump is correct about one thing, its an issue of mental illness. 75,000 on the article PT, with mental illness, shouldnt get a gun? I reckon the list, if it was serious, would be more near 10 to 20 million people in the data base, shouldnt get a gun. |
Posted By: Shammy Davis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:38pm
It is easy to see that you and Tizzy are afflicted with both TDS and a hideously high level of self-righteousness that drives your imagination but it would be nice if for once you report facts not assumptions. AA is right. Banning guns is never going to happen in the states. It is just reality. Your petty slurs don't change anything. Like with everything else that both of you post, you appear to think that by limiting the rights of law abiding citizens you can solve all societal issues. If it is not gun control, it's wealth distribution, freebies for all, or dissolving our electoral system. It is all wrong according to you. If anyone disagrees, they are racist, bigots, deplorables, and idiots. As tragic as these shootings are, the reality is that the 2nd Amendment, like our electoral system and other constitutional freedoms is not ever going to be repealed and no trashing of yanks by you is going to change that. You claim to be such experts on the states but obviously that is not the case, but you just keep on pushing your disparaging message like you do in your relentlessly mindless Trump Presidency thread that looks to continue endlessly with Trump retiring to FL in 2024. Maybe I am missing something, but when did OZ become the utopian society that drives this self-absorbed self-righteous thinking? Are you keeping it a secret from the rest world?  |
Posted By: Shammy Davis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 9:48pm
But, but, but . . .Both the House and Senate passed the new bill, H.J. Res 40, revoking the Obama-era regulation. Apparently a bi-partisan effort.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:18pm
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All threads on TBV are going to be turned in to a political gelati fest by PT. Thats just life. Post a pic of a horse and PT will find a way to make it a political statement. He cant exist without politics. Its his life .And no matter what his take is on Trump, lots of US citizens love him. ( Trump that is, not PT ) .  Ban big guns. If folks want a hand gun, fine. No one needs a rapid fire , multi fire, high calibre, gun. Unless they intend going to Afghanistan or Iraq. Or the police that have to face down these nutters. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Shammy Davis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 11:00pm
By the way, on the issue of open carry only 5 states prohibit it. 31 states have no prohibition and the remainder have minor limitations. Open carry is a reasonable law that protects the constitutional rights of citizens who carry and do not carry. It makes a firearm carrier easy to identify. The law also provides for other forms of weapons like large knives. Concealed carry should be vigorously restricted. |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 11:16pm
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I'm sick of hearing pray for the victims, enough of that BS, happens on a daily basis ------------- EAD |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 12:43am
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Keep the madness in the community , Deny any authority over the more dangerous & encourage their breeding and aggressive mentality and what do you get . Rape , murder and general denial of any form of authority or rules. I saw it predicted , way back in the 1960's, when the morons like "Richmond " were organising a whole new attitude for the containment of the dangerous Mentally ill . We now pay the price for what we allowed to be created, by buffoons, who ignored the advice of the people who had the experience of the front line of the problem. |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 1:03am
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There were no shootings in America under the Obama Administration - 8 years of peace, ruined by Trump's racism. ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 7:52am
Why do we have governments if politics doesn't matter? This issue is 100% political corruption. ------------- |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:00am
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Only white supremacists carry guns apparently ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:09am
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Fun fact: 99.9%(unscientific) of white supremacists say it isn't their fault their white supremacist friends' guns go off in supermarkets, churches,concerts, schools, theaters, night clubs..... ------------- |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:19am
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Fun fact....Omar Mateen wasn't a white supremacist when he killed 49 innocent people in a night club in Orlando Nut jobs come in all different colours and backgrounds ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:33am
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Are Americans more mentally ill than anyone else, or more affected by violent video games as Fox and Trump are blaming, or is it maybe something else? PS now 250 mass shootings in America this year.  ------------- |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:34am
Says nobody. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:39am
 Lots of white supremacists in that lot ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:41am
Fun fact: Trump's own FBI Director giving testimony just a couple of weeks ago.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:42am
As far as gun deaths go, most of the planet is a utopia compared to America, apart from El Salavador, the Congo, Honduras, those sort of places. We know what Trump would call those sort of places. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:46am
Fun fact: They almost all used weapons that almost every country on the planet does not allow it's citizens to own. ------------- |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:46am
Keep believing the MSM, these people are all white supremacists and trump supporters apparently ------------- EAD |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 8:50am
No Utopia but with zero mass shootings in over 20 years against 250 this year alone, I dont need my AK-47 or AR 15 when I go out for milk.  ------------- |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 9:51am
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Seems odd and very fortunate that there were multiple police shooting the Dayton shooter within 30 seconds. They must have been tailing him before he started. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 9:56am
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They said there were public events which had more police on the streets and a car was right on site when it was called in, so it took only 30 sec to respond. Even with such a response time the type of weapon and quantity of ammunition he had, he killed 9 and shot dozens more. ------------- |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 11:28am
Trump saying racists, Nationalists and White Supremacists are mentally ill  “Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger”: Trump yesterday https://www.vox.com/2019/8/5/20754770/trump-el-paso-dayton-speech-white-house-mental-illness-video-games-guns" rel="nofollow - https://www.vox.com/2019/8/5/20754770/trump-el-paso-dayton-speech-white-house-mental-illness-video-games-guns Trump says US must condemn 'white supremacy' and 'racism' in wake of weekend shootings- Trump today https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-condemns-white-supremacy-racism-wake-weekend-shootings/story?id=64778938" rel="nofollow - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-condemns-white-supremacy-racism-wake-weekend-shootings/story?id=64778938
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 12:52pm
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The USA with it's large population , were very early in mistaking anti psychotic medications as a cure , rather than a management advancement in Psychiatric care. All too quick to "open the doors of containment & monitoring systems ". That were a much more reliable approach. Gradually spreading world wide and has only become worse, for the reason that today's Science has never really known any difference. Strict gun laws weren't necessary , before Governments decided to discharge to the Community , The very Madness that it takes to commit these horror crimes. To suggest reverting to the very successful approach of years ago, is met with a reminder that detaining & monitoring dangerous Madmen was cruel. These murderous sprees of slaughter we now have regularly , are much more cruel in my view. Besides , Psychiatrists , Psychologists etc have a vested interest in protecting their so called advancement in the management of the Mentally ill . Send them to live next door to people in the less fortunate areas. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 1:29pm
https://www.facebook.com/Bronwen-Healy-Photography-118051454897045/?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCDSxk5f3jQN--QiJkpqllI7dzKrsgu2GdMYVPd81ijrnHQzWnfnxeSGXxaAM7DaDaZGG3p2CqkTRivndSl888DhkNbbTrFqKLIH5_g-cbZAL9aq9z0kw8YhPm88yY_GkU2yD2ifgU6QdIJjsvnTnofmKTYALIBYZyLU7HSvdGJEkKmvLMb6PYVoxx4hDYTLS8PevPeoqwmzGgy71dd_TnG3qSerGorYrQ55S9SoFxjwd6CfKVFJ-7QIYzqjmKocc4MxiLi61voSfEqPgC_7QO5sBA0T0JQPz4qG1JELJQxmnUIAvr41pb8HDowiG_s8DZykH0Uu0qinOxIB0rDtFo8q0x3-oZPgKKRXoXoqRdMsJnVflA&__xts__%5B1%5D=68.ARCcCMaRPCZzIZbWgPxj-pY0MPeR_rfk9Y9DoHGPym5dk787B1OY2T8MVDBVF6CiEwFxU3I2fLqrF7xbWa9ctB2fjbLkujnMSOiE4wUnRCRV8R8pxueZWtM3-3O8GZSsi-o3lbEGB5t1_nduycNT2jYiJBjMnHdPkO9UPhoPm1SjRpLY48ZmxHQvkfKjcItPrMN76M69p8WmlL0r56x6jg653iGtEBBAO-VLejnRkfa37EdgW2KRVdfThelTuuFzing4ssLdiF8Un6ZL1Rkonq570BRLhBAwTCNuYDUJcN6gu8JVWfADYvRdyfhOB5UDhf_bdFCiUvazYiVOlqr7ng&__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARDrIM3Jw-YiU6ZXW3RGzZ5vOFdv2lbQeePPFGc0jPvIxbS1bVjDEjqAsvuQSi_g1fSGnsbGkc8i5hpw&hc_ref=ARSf0uI6Z1koiLp-7Tvsjs5XMRd8rUsmgJJO7tLnj82vofk_NzXDjRXK4uPXhCIqWBQ&fref=nf" rel="nofollow - Bronwen Healy Photography https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2331941216841380&id=118051454897045&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARCcCMaRPCZzIZbWgPxj-pY0MPeR_rfk9Y9DoHGPym5dk787B1OY2T8MVDBVF6CiEwFxU3I2fLqrF7xbWa9ctB2fjbLkujnMSOiE4wUnRCRV8R8pxueZWtM3-3O8GZSsi-o3lbEGB5t1_nduycNT2jYiJBjMnHdPkO9UPhoPm1SjRpLY48ZmxHQvkfKjcItPrMN76M69p8WmlL0r56x6jg653iGtEBBAO-VLejnRkfa37EdgW2KRVdfThelTuuFzing4ssLdiF8Un6ZL1Rkonq570BRLhBAwTCNuYDUJcN6gu8JVWfADYvRdyfhOB5UDhf_bdFCiUvazYiVOlqr7ng&__tn__=-R" rel="nofollow - - · I, like all other civilised and decent people, continue to feel outraged and angry at recent events in America. Yes, this page is usually about horse racing, however I run this page and I decide what I post. Organisations frequently take a moral stance against things that outrage them. Talking about atrocities is one part of tackling the problem. If you don't like my thoughts then don't follow me because we can all agree that we have nothing in common. To those of you who posted replies to those individuals and their comments (which had plenty of decent people shaking their heads in despair) you have my thanks. If you can't see gun control is necessary after a right wing, white supremacist bigot SLAUGHTERED 22 innocent people, including a 6yo child, within minutes there is something wrong with you. Another 9 innocent people died in Ohio. These were real people with real families that were just out going about their business. These weapons, which were legally allowed to purchased and owned, enabled the slaughter. If you think it is ok that a person can legally own a weapon that is capable of such instantaneous carnage, I want nothing to do with you. The person responsible for the killings is an American born white man who has a set against immigrants and non-white people, and we all know who's driving this rhetoric. The rest of the world knows that gun control is a problem for America and so do many brave Americans who are actually trying to do something about it and who don't believe Trump and his bullgelati. Wherever you have his incendiary language and behaviour combined with so many guns in the hands of so many people your country is no longer safe. Australia did have increased mass shootings and post Port Arthur the government enacted sweeping changes. It has made Australia safer. Our schools do not have active shooter drills. My 4yo never practiced standing on the toilet to hide. We can go to concerts and public events without fear of being slaughtered. Trump is absolutely part of the problem and he's dangerous and he's taking America and by default the rest of the world down a dangerous path. As for Trump's tweets overnight give me a break. Every decent and intelligent person can see that organisations like OAN, Breitbart and Fox (I hope that some of you are watching Loudest Voice) are masquerading as media outlets when it reality they are propaganda outlets of the Far Right. There is video footage of Trump at a Florida Rally laughing when one of his zealot supporters shouted out "shoot them" shouted out when he said they are invading us, how do we stop them? Thank goodness that there are still large sections of the mainstream media who continue to do their job and report critically on Trump and his administration. I started my paid subscriptions to the New York Times and the Washington Post as a protest to Trump's attack on the decent and hard working mainstream media. Finally, to those of you who said "you're a horse racing photographer it's non of your business" Trump made it my business by calling the media "The Enemy of the People" because his continuing rhetoric puts all photographers and journalists at risk. As an accredited member of the media his rhetoric is my business. Replies from Americans: https://www.facebook.com/laurie.vonsee" rel="nofollow - Laurie von See Thank
you, Bronwen, for posting your views. I have always admired your work
and strive to be able to show the beauty of horses with my photos as
well as you do. I know that you have spent time in America and know most
of us don’t share the racist beliefs of our president. We are sickened
and saddened by these murders. I’m afraid nothing will change until our
politicians get a spine and stop being owned by the NRA. https://www.facebook.com/marie.maloneyklemens" rel="nofollow - Marie Klemens Dear Bronwen, thank you for speaking up. I agree with everything you’ve said. Maybe if more people had your courage, something would change. I’ve also been watching The Loudest Voice. What an eye opener! Sadly, I’m sure those that support Trump don’t watch, or if they did they’d just call it fake news. I’m from a small town in Illinois, USA and I am heartbroken. I no longer feel safe and fear for the future of my country if Trump wins another four years. Thank you again for saying what many fear to say. And thank you for the lovely horse photos. They always brighten my day. https://www.facebook.com/judith.steinberg24" rel="nofollow - Judy Steinberg Our
current American climate is everyone’s business. If one cares about
others, what happens in one country, affects all of us. America is a
large country with a very large worldwide presence. We like to think
we’re all powerful even though I’d like to
think we’re all equal. I have looked down the barrel of a gun held by a
man out late at night doing his job as a robber. Believe me, it’s no
fun having someone take all of your freedom from you so easily. Being
helpless is a terrible feeling. The victims of these mass killings died
so quickly they may have never known what happened. Someone they didn’t
know took everything from them in an instant with a weapon of mass
destruction. Meanwhile here in America the debate rages on by idiots who
worship their false God, The Gun, in their House of Worship, the
Senate, reading from their Bible, the 2nd Amendment. This is our
collective sickness in my opinion. Worshipping a tool. https://www.facebook.com/tbarrach" rel="nofollow - Teri Barrach Thank
you, Bronwen. While I have no answer for this insane man and this
madness he encourages I appreciate that the world, and especially
Australia, stands with those of us who are outraged and sickened. We
are working towards ridding this country of this Nazi and his right arm
Mitch McConnell in the 2020 election. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 2:36pm
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Thing is, they can vote Trump out, but the next Pres wont ban guns because the gun lobby group are too powerful. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 2:44pm
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Did America & the World have this problem before Trump came along.? Sounds like Bronwen may be a rusted on Democrat , exploiting the opportunity to express her Politics. |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 3:45pm
... and they only started shooting people when Trump was elected. ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 3:48pm
Trump said that Washington was broken and very swampy and only he could fix it. Waiting.... ------------- |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 3:49pm
So how many "whiteys" is that ... a few hundred? ... as opposed to only 10% of Muslims who support Radical Islamic Terror Attacks on infidels (anecdotally) ... so only about 180 Million people ... phew!  ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 3:51pm
Are they? You watch CNN and the Democrat "debates" ... from what I've seen, less than half of them are! ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 3:56pm
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It's not as bad as the stats appear to be. 75% of American gun deaths are people shooting themselves. Half of the remainder is people of colour shooting each other. White folks is relatively safe from gun violence, iffin they don't shoot emselves. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 3:56pm
Wait a minute aa, that sounds too simple for the lefties! ... I thought Obama had fixed everything by being "presidential", and Trump ruined it by fixing the economy? ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:01pm
racist. Seriously though, aa is right - the gun culture is too heavily entrenched in America and the NRA too politically powerful for them to ever agree to the controls that we have ... if Obama could do nothing about it, who will? ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:22pm
| It was reported this morning that there could be 15,000,000 to 20,000,000 US military-style assault rifles and similar weapons in civilian ownership in the USA. If that is correct, it's hard not to imagine mass shootings will not continue in the USA. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:25pm
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Not guns Bob, mentally ill people and video games. Mario and Luigi will be banned immediately. ------------- |
Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:31pm
| Those double negatives blow me away. I am totally confused as to what it is you are not trying to say. |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:36pm
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He's saying "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:41pm
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You mean racist white supremacists with guns killed lots of people? ------------- |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:52pm
Try not to be so racist PT ... you mean comparatively few white supremacists with guns kill people, compared with people of colour, which is simply factual (so you are excused for the omission). ------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 4:56pm
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Sorry. I was referring to Bob
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 5:45pm
I was tossing that around in my mind before posting those double negatives.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 5:49pm
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Maybe for clarity I could have written, "if that is correct, it is easy to imagine mass shootings will continue in the USA", but double negatives do make people think a little more.
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Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2019 at 11:42pm
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That's much better And too true. The US is saturated with guns. They will never be rid of them even if they wanted.
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 7:27am
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In United States politics, the Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rider_%28legislation%29" rel="nofollow - rider into the 1996 federal government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_spending_bill" rel="nofollow - omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention" rel="nofollow - Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control" rel="nofollow - gun control ." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC's budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumatic_brain_injury" rel="nofollow - traumatic brain injury -related research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment#cite_note-apa-2" rel="nofollow - [2] The amendment was lobbied for by the NRA. The amendment is named after its author https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Dickey" rel="nofollow - Jay Dickey , a Republican member of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives" rel="nofollow - United States House of Representatives from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas" rel="nofollow - Arkansas . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment#cite_note-apa-2" rel="nofollow - [2] Many commentators have described this amendment as a "ban" on gun violence research by the CDC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment ------------- |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 8:08am
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 8:15am
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Trump has gutted funding to Homeland Security's Domestic Terrorism agency by over 80% from $20m a year to $2.6m and the remaining 6 agents are only allowed to deal with Islamic State or al Queda inspired terror threats. ------------- |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 9:41am
I have heard that lobbyists actually write their own bills over there for their stooges in Congress to pass. Is that true? ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 9:47am
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Not sure about writing their own bills, but they certainly bend over backwards to accommodate the NRA who pours tens of millions(and more) into Republican coffers. That said news last week of foreign countries writing their own policy speeches was no surprise. ------------- |