The Lindsey Smith Warrnambool experiment

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Topic: The Lindsey Smith Warrnambool experiment

Posted By: djebel
Subject: The Lindsey Smith Warrnambool experiment
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 4:56pm

Starts Tuesday 02/07/2019

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reductio ad absurdum

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 4:58pm

Race 2 - 1:30PM Sam Miranda Wines Maiden Plate (1000 METRES)

Colours	No. / Horse Name / Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Status
	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=Mjg0NjkzNzA1NDA%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NjMzMjE5NzIxNTA%3d" rel="nofollow - 5. Our Wind Spirit (NZ) (13)	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTExODU5NjYxNTgw" rel="nofollow - Ben Allen	58.5kg	Racing

Race 4 - 2:30PM Polytrack Maiden Plate (1200 METRES)

Colours	No. / Horse Name / Barrier	Jockey	Weight	Status
	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjczMTg5MDU1ODA%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NjMyNzk1NDc1NjA%3d" rel="nofollow - 4. Seven Castles (5)	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTI0ODk1NDMw" rel="nofollow - Dean Yendall	58.5kg	Racing

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reductio ad absurdum

Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 11:53am

https://soundcloud.com/tabradio/lindsey-smith-the-sports-daily-july-2" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/tabradio/lindsey-smith-the-sports-daily-july-2

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reductio ad absurdum

Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 11:56am

Race 1 - Super Vobis Two-Years-Old Maiden Plate (1300 METRES)
WEIGHTS https://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/Weights.aspx?Key=2019Jul05,VIC,Bendigo" rel="nofollow - Bendigo: Bendigo Jockey Club

Colours	Horse Name		Weight
	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTkyNTQ5NTI1Ng%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDI2ODQwMDcwMg%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Saone (NZ)		56kg

Race 2 - Maiden Plate (1400 METRES)

Colours	Horse Name		Weight
	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTg0NzQ1NDkwNg%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDI2ODQwMTgwMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Olympic Oath		56kg

https://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/Weights.aspx?Key=2019Jul06,VIC,Flemington" rel="nofollow - Flemington: Victoria Racing Club

Race 6 - VRC-CRV Winter Championship Series Final (1600 METRES)

Colours	Horse Name		Weight
	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgzNjgyNDQzNg%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDI2NzU0MDYwMg%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Reykjavik		54kg

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reductio ad absurdum

Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 1:57pm

This whole thing is a joke to be honest. Puppet trainer

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�Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house.�

Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 4:33pm

Welcome back Weiry

Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 4:41pm

Maddie Raymond was running the show at Warrnambool for Weir.
She’s now in charge for Smith.
Stable is full of ex Weir and Weir purchased yearlings.

How can this be allowed?

Weir was clearly pre training BHB if he is ready to trial within 3 weeks.

Stewards need to shut this down before we have another Weir situation.

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 4:52pm

Hahaha. The sad thing is, if the Stewards raided this lot every second day of the week, there would be people out there saying the stable is harshly done by.

Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 4:53pm

They are all cheats
Just shut down the whole industry
Starting at Cranbourne

Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 4:55pm

So what’s changed?
Those stables should’ve been demolished

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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes

Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 5:12pm

SkyDancer wrote:

They are all cheats
Just shut down the whole industry
Starting at Cranbourne

Is it as bad as Ballarat and Warrnambool?

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to the victor

Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 5:14pm

Heard that one too SD

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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 6:34pm

Does Cranbourne include Pakenham

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 7:44pm

Congrats Lindsey.

Bloody good trainer.

Really knows how to get a horse fit.

Have to be tough to be in his stable.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 7:46pm

As a punter will be worthwhile following LOL

Another one Jamal can crow about.

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 8:33pm

Shawy38 wrote:

Welcome back Weiry

Good to see you back Shawy, I was starting to get worried.

Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 8:44pm

Didn’t realise Shawy had left.
He’s been posting a bit lately

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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes

Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 8:45pm

Whatever happened to fan girl Prince of Penzance?

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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 10:41pm

Xavier generally the haters are those who cant achieve and are simply jealous.

Perhaps POP is busy achieving, too busy to be here.

Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2019 at 10:53pm

Back Smith, get pith’d.

Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 1:21am

What a bloody joke.. disgusting

Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 1:53am

A few went verrrrry quiet on here after their idol got caught

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 2:02am

What happened to Hartnell?

Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 8:51am

Isaac soloman wrote:

What happened to Hartnell?

He’s a Godolphin horse..

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 3:57pm

Thats clever, a horse able to post.

Hartnell is dominant soon disappeared after the weir blow up.

Run out of steam?

Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 4:23pm

Oh yeah that’s right.
They seemed to know a whole lot about that situation and not much else

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Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes

Posted By: mowie
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 9:35am

Mr Grieves wrote:

A few went verrrrry quiet on here after their idol got caught

weir is still cleaner then most trainers he just had rats rat on him. still a top bloke and will be training winners in 4 years time

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chris Armstrong waller, *drugs are bad mkay

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 1:42pm

Haha. Weir won’t ever be back training

Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 1:57pm

mowie wrote:

Mr Grieves wrote:

A few went verrrrry quiet on here after their idol got caught

weir is still cleaner then most trainers he just had rats rat on him. still a top bloke and will be training winners in 4 years time

dipstick.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 1:59pm

How do you know that disco?

Because of bods like you makes it hard, mentally hard to pursue a given profession.

He may well be enjoying what he is now doing.

Still with his cattle and horses.

Look at the AFL players unable to cope mentally; social media vigilantism? Kills of the sports they allegedly love.

Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 2:03pm

Isaac soloman wrote:

How do you know that disco?

Because of bods like you makes it hard, mentally hard to pursue a given profession.

He may well be enjoying what he is now doing.

Still with his cattle and horses.

Look at the AFL players unable to cope mentally; social media vigilantism? Kills of the sports they allegedly love.

I bet his cattle are nervous, cattle prod and all.......fastest cattle this side of the Grampians.

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 3:31pm

The AFP have gelati load on him, that’s why. Do you honestly think the RV gave Smerdon life and Weir will only get 4years? You are Censored

delusional.

Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2019 at 6:16pm

First city winner

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 2:14am

Those who dont hold grudges will be making money.

Weirs man? LOL

Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 9:26am

I don't know much about Smith (see below) but I don't reckon I'd be game to call him a puppet to his face

Hey Jamal,
Do you have any comments about Smith as a trainer? I'd be interested as you know WA racing and am sure others would appreciate it too... TIA. Ponies

Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 10:03am

Come in Red, you know WA Racing better than anyone, tell us your thoughts, most interested.

Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 10:16am

Yes, all knowledge welcome!
(Thanks for the call-out bonjour

)

Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 11:53am

He’s just another very very good horseman . Can’t see a problem other then the rules of vic racing/ Aussie racing is they will license unlimited numbers of participants all after the one pie. Not good for keeping the industry striaight

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 12:08pm

How is your strike rate in training Straight arrow?

heres the most informative link about WA racing. Have a look. Find out for yourselves.

https://cris.rwwa.com.au/" rel="nofollow - https://cris.rwwa.com.au/

Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 12:37pm

Isaac soloman wrote:

How is your strike rate in training Straight arrow?

heres the most informative link about WA racing. Have a look. Find out for yourselves.

https://cris.rwwa.com.au/" rel="nofollow - https://cris.rwwa.com.au/

Slightly informative Isaac however it doesn’t list all trainers previous indiscretions.
What did you use arsenic for when training?

Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 12:45pm

Actually Isaac, I reckon it may have something to do with global warming, or something.
For some reason horses all round Oz took a liking to treated posts at about the same time.
Miraculous how these things always seem to happen together isn’t it?

Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 3:00pm

I read an article from the stewards about the arsenic cases and their opinion was that testing could only recently detect it at the levels being seen lately.

Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 3:11pm

The desperation from some of you... holy moly.

Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 4:41pm

Softy wrote:

What did you use arsenic for when training?

I & doubtless many others use Jurocyl, top syuff Smile

COMPOSITION

Sodium arsanilate 50 mg/mL

ACTIONS

JUROCYL is a safe, pentavalent organic arsenic tonic of low toxicity providing rapid response.
JUROCYL promotes healthy skin and coat growth.
JUROCYL stimulates appetite in picky eaters.
JUROCYL is of value as a general tonic in anaemias, debility, stress, illness & recovery.

JUROCYL is a pentavalent organic arsenical compound with strong tonic properties. JUROCYL has a marked effect on the blood vessels of both skin and gastro-intestinal blood vessels.
JUROCYL is rapidly absorbed, with a prompt and visible effect. Arsenic in the organic form has long been known and respected for its tonic properties. This pentavalent form is not harmful to animals at recommended doses, and is well tolerated with no local or general reaction.

INDICATIONS

JUROCYL is indicated to stimulate appetite in poor eaters, particularly those horses suffering stress related to hard training & competition.
As a general tonic, JUROCYL is valuable in the treatment of anaemias, weakness and debility, emaciation, and skin conditions. JUROCYL is particularly effective at promoting healthy coat growth, and encouraging seasonal changes in body coat because it improves blood flow to skin. A course of JUROCYL in August / September (Southern Hemisphere) will produce dramatic improvements in dull, lifeless coats as the season changes. For Northern Hemisphere, give during appropriate months for winter coat drop in those countries.

DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION

Give JUROCYL by sterile intramuscular injection
Adult Horses:
Full Course 10 mL weekly for 4 - 6 weeks.
Intensive Course 10 mL daily for maximum 10 days.
Yearlings:
Full Course 5 mL weekly.
Intensive Course 5 mL daily for maximum 10 days.
Foals:
Full Course 2.5 mL weekly.
Intensive Course 2.5 mL daily for maximum 10 days.

JUROCYL is regularly used in combination with VAM to stimulate appetites and improve blood counts in stressed and recuperating horses. JUROCYL may be used with all Nature Vet products with the exclusion of Ferrocyl, as required.

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

Posted By: adolphus twirk
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 5:01pm

And eventually their hair drops out if they have too much arsenic built up in the body.

Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 5:05pm

That may be so Gay but I think he stated he didn’t use that product.
Anyway I just found it surprising the number of trainers with treated pine posts that didn’t return positives.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 9:57pm

Never used those products. Didnt have to.

Trained from paddocks, bush work, didnt go to the track.

My "arsenic"? plenty of hay.

Thought fi you had to use that stuff was like chasing tails.

Feel the hooves for warmth; if cool on the right track.

Had plenty of winners, metro and provincial.

Asked a young women giving a "calming" paste to a horse before she floated it if she thought it worked and she said no......

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 9:59pm

Jorocyl is banned now, i think.

Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 10:34am

Issac I do not have a strike rate! What am I supposed to be looking at in that link you sent?

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 11:30am

It will help you sort fact from fiction.

You can line your beliefs up with the facts of an industry site.

have a read, you might learn something.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 11:34am

Softy wrote:

That may be so Gay but I think he stated he didn’t use that product.
Anyway I just found it surprising the number of trainers with treated pine posts that didn’t return positives.

Where does it say " the number of trainers with treated pine posts that didn’t return positives.[/QUOTE]"

Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 12:48pm

Most with pine posts would integrate electric fencing if they had 1/2 brain, knowing how palatable most horses find them & the expense of replacement not to mention removing the temptation to windsuck.

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 1:09pm

And the other half with brains would avoid using pine logs altogether, especially if you train racehorses as testing machines are now VERY sensitive for arsenic, amongst other substances.

Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 1:11pm

That is true Gay3, or at the very least painting something unpalatable on said fences, which I had to do a bit as a child.
Maybe it is just the lazy trainers who got done for arsenic

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 1:16pm

Paint something unpalatable? LOL

You obviously dont know horses.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 1:16pm

or softy you have deep pockets.

Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 2:00pm

If a horse wants to eat something, it will get eaten.
A good electric fence can control the urge though.

Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 2:18pm

An electric fence regularly testing at 6.5 - 7.5 will stop any horse from even venturing near as a pulse of 1 will show at a metre away, even further if using the newer copper wires.
Hardwood is near impossible to source these days so unless you're a millionaire, pine is the most cost effective & available timber.

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 3:18pm

Isaac soloman wrote:

Paint something unpalatable? LOL

You obviously dont know horses.

And you obviously don’t know everything.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 3:34pm

softy.

Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 4:44pm

Creosote if you can get it Wink

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 5:54pm

And it becomes an expensive exercise with re applications, as it does with any of that stuff.

crib bite,chilli based stuff,

I reckon softy i would know as much about horses as you know about kids, obviously.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 5:55pm

old engine oil, another one. Bit of weathering and the horses are into it.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 5:57pm

Nothing like a wet pine log. yummy

Have you had them munch the uprights because they cant get to the electrified top rail?

clever.

Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 6:14pm

We had a recently deceased mare that just loved pine posts. We had wired standoffs and she'd sneak her head over or under the wire, and when she'd finished they looked like thin hour glasses with just the tiniest of waists wherever she chewed.

Interestingly enough she wasn't a wind-sucker and don't really think she enjoyed the taste.Just boredom when she didn't have a foal on her, so we's throw some rubber basketballs into the paddock which sometimes helped.

Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 1:37am

Creosote available in 20lt drums in S.A.

Mixed it 50/50 with sump oil on pine & hardwood for 40 years. Always worked.

Also had 1 hotwire at flank height pulsing at 4.8 & 3 Bayco's. Fences looked light but because of very good soil conductivity horses were very respectful

I went to that system because it was easy & I got sick of treating cut legs

In areas with long,long hot dry periods conductivity would be an issue & therefore fences would have very little ground to live wire pulse.

Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 10:35pm

Tamasa ?

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reductio ad absurdum

Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 8:37am

No current trainer listed for Tamasa so could potentially be going to Smith.

Smith has also picked up Pacodali this week.

Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 1:07pm

For those who haven't seen it (maybe even those that have) I would like to say go have a look at Reykjavik's race the other day at Flemington. Watch it the whole race. Stern Smile

Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 2:05pm

What are we looking for?

Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 3:18pm

The 1450 meters of solid pulling?

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to the victor

Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 3:52pm

linghi11 wrote:

The 1450 meters of solid pulling?

Did not look over the top to me ?

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reductio ad absurdum

Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 5:27pm

linghi11 wrote:

The 1450 meters of solid pulling?

Oh come on rocket racer pulled for 3200. 1450 should be a cake walk

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2019 at 11:53pm

More winners for Lindsey and

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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2019 at 12:01am

MALAGUERRA THRIVES UNDER SMITH

Owner Bruno Micalizzi is delighted with the physical condition of Malaguerra after the Magnus gelding completing a solid trial performance at Lark Hill on Monday.

Stepping out for his first official hit out under new trainer, Lindsey Smith, Malaguerra, worked to the line strongly when second to Rebel King in a 950m heat.

A dual Group 1 champion in the BTC Cup (1200m) and Darley Classic (1200m), Malaguerra has won 12 races from 34 starts for prize money of almost $2 million.

Previously with Peter Gelagotis in Melbourne, Malaguerra transferred to Smith after an 11th placing in the All Aged Stakes (1400m) at Randwick last April.

“The work this morning proved and was an example of the Lindsey Smith touch,” Micalizzi told The Races WA.

“He came through the trial well and hit the line nicely and there is a bit to work with.

“He has got a nice rounded shape that I hadn’t seen previously.

“That’s why I brought him to Lindsey. I had heard about it and now I have seen it.

“He definitely has that Lindsey Smith touch and has enjoyed his stay here.”

Micalizzi, a former cray fisherman before turning to horse ownership, said Malaguerra would be heading back across the Nullarbor to target an eastern states campaign.

“There are a couple there, one in Adelaide and maybe one in Melbourne at the moment,” Micalizzi said.

“We will see how he comes through this (trial) and he will have another trial in Melbourne, but he goes to Melbourne on Wednesday.

“It’s step by step because he is a rising eight-year-old.

“He hasn’t be taxed, but has had a few niggles along the way.

“But there is still a lot of horse there I believe.

“I feel he has a bit more to give.”

Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 5:31pm

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3rd of 14
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(Warrnambool)

https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU0ODc1MDg%3d#Race9" rel="nofollow - FLEM 22Jun19 1400m Soft7 HCP $125,000 ($11,250) https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MTgwMjg2NjA5MTQ%3d" rel="nofollow - Ms Chelsea MacFarlane (a) 56kg (cd 53kg) Barrier 6 Rtg 90
1st https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwNTgyNTg5ODA%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3MDIxNDU0ODA%3d" rel="nofollow - Romancer (NZ) 52kg, 2nd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTc5NzQ0MDc5NDI%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3MDIxNDU0ODA%3d" rel="nofollow - Blazejowski 57kg 1:25.38 (600m 35.36), 1.85L, 6th@800m, 8th@400m, $5.50/$6/$5.50

3rd of 16 https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1Mzc2NTY=" rel="nofollow - BDGO 05Jul19	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTg4NDQ2MDExMTI%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDE3NzQzNDc4NTQ%3d" rel="nofollow - Saone (NZ) (Warrnambool)	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1Mzc2NTY%3d#Race1" rel="nofollow - BDGO 05Jul19 1300m Soft5 2Y MDN-SW $35,000 ($3,150) https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NzM3OTAyOTYwOTI%3d" rel="nofollow - Ben Allen 56kg Barrier 16 1st https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwNjk4OTY4OTg%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3NzQzNDc4NTQ%3d" rel="nofollow - Spirit Medium 56kg, 2nd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwODE0NTI0MzA%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3NzQzNDc4NTQ%3d" rel="nofollow - Travail 58kg 1:18.82 (600m 35.28), 2.35L, 12th@800m, 10th@400m, $2.70/$2.90/$3/$3.10
2nd of 13 https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1Mzc2NTY=" rel="nofollow - BDGO 05Jul19	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwODA4MjkxNjI%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDE3NzQzNTg2MDA%3d" rel="nofollow - Olympic Oath (Warrnambool)	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1Mzc2NTY%3d#Race2" rel="nofollow - BDGO 05Jul19 1400m Soft5 MDN-SW $35,000 ($6,300) https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NzM3OTAyOTYwOTI%3d" rel="nofollow - Ben Allen 56kg Barrier 6 1st https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTg3ODM2MDY4MTY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3NzQzNTg2MDA%3d" rel="nofollow - Jahbath (NZ) 56kg, 3rd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwNTc0NjAxOTQ%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3NzQzNTg2MDA%3d" rel="nofollow - King Landon (NZ) 58.5kg 1:25.24 (600m 36.68), 1.25L, 10th@800m, 10th@400m, $9.50/$10

1st of 14
https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1NDEyMzg=" rel="nofollow - FLEM 06Jul19

https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTc5NzY3ODk5NzI%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDE3NjU5MzAxNTQ%3d" rel="nofollow - Reykjavik
(Warrnambool)

https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1NDEyMzg%3d#Race8" rel="nofollow - FLEM 06Jul19 1600m Good4 WINTER CSHIP Listed $161,200 ($97,200) https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NzgzMDI1MjA%3d" rel="nofollow - Ms Linda Meech 54kg Barrier 2 Rtg 90
2nd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwNTgyNTg5ODA%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3NjU5MzAxNTQ%3d" rel="nofollow - Romancer (NZ) 54kg, 3rd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTc5NTAzODcwNTA%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE3NjU5MzAxNTQ%3d" rel="nofollow - Holbien 54kg 1:36.91 (600m 34.23), 2.75L, 7th@800m, 7th@400m, $6.50/$7.50/$8/$9

1st of 11 https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1ODc4MDQ=" rel="nofollow - BRTS 16Jul19	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwODA4MjkxNjI%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDE4MTg2ODIyNjg%3d" rel="nofollow - Olympic Oath (Warrnambool)	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1ODc4MDQ%3d#Race2" rel="nofollow - BRTS 16Jul19 1500m Synthetic MDN-SW $23,000 ($12,650) https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=NzM3OTAyOTYwOTI%3d" rel="nofollow - Ben Allen 56kg Barrier 8 2nd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwMDg1MDUwMDA%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE4MTg2ODIyNjg%3d" rel="nofollow - Rebel Excell 58.5kg, 3rd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwMzAwNzU4MDQ%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE4MTg2ODIyNjg%3d" rel="nofollow - Fioroso 58.5kg 1:33.33, 0.5L, 11th@800m, 6th@400m, $1.35/$1.45/$1.50/$1.55
1st of 10 https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1ODc4MDQ=" rel="nofollow - BRTS 16Jul19	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTg4NDQ2MDExMTI%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDE4MTg2Nzg2ODY%3d" rel="nofollow - Saone (NZ) (Warrnambool)	https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTg0NDU1ODc4MDQ%3d#Race3" rel="nofollow - BRTS 16Jul19 1400m Synthetic MDN-SW $23,000 ($12,650) https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=ODIzODk1ODI%3d" rel="nofollow - Dean Yendall 54kg Barrier 5 2nd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwNjE1NjUxNjY%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE4MTg2Nzg2ODY%3d" rel="nofollow - Ocean Spy (NZ) 58.5kg, 3rd https://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MTgwMDc0NTE4OTI%3d&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE4MTg2Nzg2ODY%3d" rel="nofollow - Stylish Pattern 58.5kg 1:26.21, 0.5L, 8th@800m, 5th@400m, $1.50/$1.45/$1.50/$1.45

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reductio ad absurdum

Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 5:35pm

Lindsay Smith Warrnambool experiment - 9 starts 6 winners. 100% in the first 3. He is a class above Weir.......

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reductio ad absurdum

Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 5:58pm

Very good reason why you’ve never seen him interviewed on television.

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Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 6:31pm

Have seen him interviewed many times in Perth

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 7:34pm

Smith, Weir & Class shouldn’t be used in the one sentence.

Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 7:51pm

Ok he's going gangbusters and one might wonder. However the presumption of innocence is guaranteed under law until proven otherwise and until such time he's entitled to be given the benefit of doubt.

Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 8:35pm

Darren Weir’s Puppet

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Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 9:04pm

Our Wind Spirit- some in- common owners with Extra Brut

Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 9:09pm

Let’s Get Jiggy syndicate?

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 9:11pm

So what?

Are you suggesting owners are party to thus far totally unsubstantiated allegations by anonymous TBV members?

Posted By: billyjack
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 9:38pm

Got allot of members on here that know so much about everything related to dishonest horse training, funny its always aimed at the same trainers

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gordy

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 9:55pm

Funny it’s always the same trainers that are getting done.........ya plonker.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 10:12pm

Thats a gutter post disco.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 10:26pm

Lindsey is going great.

However he is not the top trainer in WA. The common denominator for the top trainers is a rural setting and deep sand to work in, which eastern states doesnt have, unless you go the beach.

Darren modeled one of his training establishments on Lindsey's place in Perth, deep sand to work in for one.

Would imagine some in the Victorian training ranks taking notice.

Would some posters on here be rival trainers, on the jealous side?

Happens all the time.

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 10:42pm

Haha. Darren modelled his regime around cheating. Tubing, Jigging, and from all reports race fixing and Synthetic EPO. Oh, and throw a little bit of Beach work in.

Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 10:42pm

skippy123 wrote:

Our Wind Spirit- some in- common owners with Extra Brut

No casting aspersions here- my sisters mates with one of them!

Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 11:11pm

The beach is just a cover story for all of the gear Weiry was pumping into their veins.

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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 11:15pm

When is that going to become proof positive?

Otherwise you have no idea of training a racehorse.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 11:15pm

Or is that all coffee shop gossip?

Posted By: billyjack
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 11:25pm

Plonker, comments like that are why this forum is dying, you seem to know a lot about Weiry , still no one mentions the family that's so far up the establishment they will never get caught, drinks and meals with stewards

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Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 11:35pm

I know a cheat when I see one.
Sad that you can’t understand that.

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Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 11:38pm

I’m happy to wait until the AFP put their charges forward. Then we will see how far off the money some of us “coffee shop” gossipers are.

Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 12:03am

crooked_gambler wrote:

I know a cheat when I see one.
Sad that you can’t understand that.

Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 10:47am

It’s quite simple and do not know why all the conspiracy theories? L Smith is one of Australia’s best horseman/trainers ! I think most good WA trainers have copied or learnt from his ideas. Darren Weir made no secret about how much he admired smiths training methods over the years. Warrnambool was only a small replication on what L Smith has in Perth!! That’s also why wier set up new place in Moulden! Didn’t he report he was shipping in truck loads of sand to replicate his training methods?? I’m pretty sure he has been very upfront. NOW!! We can see why!!

Posted By: Discohips23
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2019 at 10:56am

Then why tube, jig, epo, and fix races if all you need is a couple of truck loads sand?

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