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Topic: Tipping services

Posted By: Tajrossi
Subject: Tipping services
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 9:44am

Do you pay for services to help your punting? Have you assessed their Return On Investment and Profit on Turnover (POT%) and have you deducted the costs of the service off your profit line?

I am happy to assess any service (or already have) for free here on the village to ensure it has 100% accountability of results and don't use "best price" etc in results.

If I don't have the review handy I can check the quality of the service via a Five Star rating system of value for money.

I will not recommend any service - just provide the POT% and fees so you can choose. Services that provide no results obviously get no stars as you can be 100% assured they are already making big losses.

Most of the services I have assessed have now closed, but we have a range of new ones now (same people, different badge).

Taj

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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 11:14am

Would love to see your assessment of Tom’s service - in whole and by ‘package’.

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 12:26pm

The "Gold" package is probably the best indicator here for the somewhat desperate Tom Waterhouse. The results are not very accountable on a per bet basis but we have found the results accurate month by month which is essential for any repeat business. The Profit on Turnover is 14.1% but dont forget you need to deduct over 4100 per month fee off that figure, so if you are a $50 punter it will smash your profit % quickly....BUT...the biggest issue is the results are based on the BEST price on offer and at time of posting! This is madness as these BEST prices are set ups and dont last. It would be very easy to lose long time with these results and I would rate the service 2 stars. Even the 14% is a bit thin compared to some results from cheaper services.

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 12:30pm

The "Best Bets" package only has 60 bets for the past 12 months and has made a good start. We need to see around 500 bets prior to judgement. Results again based on getting Best price!

Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 12:53pm

What a blast from the past! Long time, no see & welcome back Taj Hug

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Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 1:27pm

Yep - been a long time, but see there are still a handful of the old mob here but we've sadly lost some old friends along the path of life

Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 12:32pm

https://gamblinggallivant.com/tipster-reviews/probet-review/" rel="nofollow - https://gamblinggallivant.com/tipster-reviews/probet-review/

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 4:01pm

Thanks Whale - Interesting template for assessing services. I would have thought that 100% accountable long term results would rate highest as who really knows otherwise unless you pay and trial yourself for a year or more

Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2019 at 8:15pm

https://www.winningedgeinvestments.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.winningedgeinvestments.com/

https://www.horsemiller.com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.horsemiller.com/

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2019 at 10:35am

Winning Edge Investments - owner / tipster known or made known = yes

Total Rating = 83 - Good to Excellent although there are some better POT% about than 13%

History of the service	2 points for every year the service has been running (max 20 points).	10
Service Profit on Turnover (POT)	2 points for every % POT (max 20 points).	20
Odds taken vs recorded odds	You get the odds: * <85% (0 points) * 85% - 100% (5 points) * approx 100% (10 points) * approx 100% and sometimes beat recorded odds (15 points) * often beat recorded odds (20 points).	5
Bookmaker availability	Bookmaker required for tips are available to you (1-10, with 10 being entirely satisfied).	10
Market depth	Market has enough depth to bet your desired amounts (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	10
Customer service	Responsive to emails and general service housekeeping e.g. updating results (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	8
Effort required	Number of bets and convenient release time for tips (1-10, where 10 is minimal effort).	10

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2019 at 10:38am

Horse Miller - known to industry/accountable. Only operation new rates 61 - average/high risk/watch

History of the service	2 points for every year the service has been running (max 20 points).	2
Service Profit on Turnover (POT)	2 points for every % POT (max 20 points).	20
Odds taken vs recorded odds	You get the odds: * <85% (0 points) * 85% - 100% (5 points) * approx 100% (10 points) * approx 100% and sometimes beat recorded odds (15 points) * often beat recorded odds (20 points).	5
Bookmaker availability	Bookmaker required for tips are available to you (1-10, with 10 being entirely satisfied).	8
Market depth	Market has enough depth to bet your desired amounts (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	10
Customer service	Responsive to emails and general service housekeeping e.g. updating results (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	6
Effort required	Number of bets and convenient release time for tips (1-10, where 10 is minimal effort).	10

Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2019 at 11:00am

Still going

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Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2019 at 11:29am

I wouldn't trust horse Miller with stolen money

Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2019 at 11:52am

correctweight wrote:

I wouldn't trust horse Miller with stolen money

That you Snowy? Tongue

Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2019 at 6:36am

Greaves/aspinall racing was the duck nuts once upon a time. Are they still going ?

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" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 1:03pm

Not that I can find

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 1:05pm

Just a lot slower these days Tige

Posted By: WarriSymbol
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2019 at 6:33am

Good to see you back Taj.

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The Potts Plays service.

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2019 at 8:06am

Potts Plays: Overall rating of 58. New service and limited number of bets to get a reliable long term trend. Profit is limited and price get sensitive. Cost is slightly above average given product and would eat into annual profit margin significantly unless you are a $200+ unit bet punter. Put on watch for another 3 years. $25/w might be an offer later

History of the service	2 points for every year the service has been running (max 20 points).	4
Service Profit on Turnover (POT)	2 points for every % POT (max 20 points).	14
Odds taken vs recorded odds	You get the odds: * <85% (0 points) * 85% - 100% (5 points) * approx 100% (10 points) * approx 100% and sometimes beat recorded odds (15 points) * often beat recorded odds (20 points).	5
Bookmaker availability	Bookmaker required for tips are available to you (1-10, with 10 being entirely satisfied).	8
Market depth	Market has enough depth to bet your desired amounts (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	10
Customer service	Responsive to emails and general service housekeeping e.g. updating results (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	7
Effort required	Number of bets and convenient release time for tips (1-10, where 10 is minimal effort).	10

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2019 at 10:08am

Racepal Australia - rating of 48 points - performance and communication avg to poor. Expensive

This is a new service that uses SLACK as its communication device which works quite well. They keep changing the goalposts when systems don't bring a profit so just be a little wary re results. Their ALL bets are returning 5% POT which look open and honest, and "set and forget" bets a loss of 9%. Their best bets have only had just over 100 bets so hard to assess at this early stage but turnover very small. Communication is poor to arrogant so don't ask too many questions!

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2019 at 2:05pm

Horsetorque - another low rating of 55. There are no results for their bets either short term or long term. An analysis of the market specials showed a large loss over 12 months but results now taken down. Sounds a nice chap but why pay $ to lose?. Main concern is they are focusing on speed and weight ratings - a sure way to go broke!

History of the service	2 points for every year the service has been running (max 20 points).	10
Service Profit on Turnover (POT)	2 points for every % POT (max 20 points).	0
Odds taken vs recorded odds	You get the odds: * <85% (0 points) * 85% - 100% (5 points) * approx 100% (10 points) * approx 100% and sometimes beat recorded odds (15 points) * often beat recorded odds (20 points).	15
Bookmaker availability	Bookmaker required for tips are available to you (1-10, with 10 being entirely satisfied).	10
Market depth	Market has enough depth to bet your desired amounts (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	10
Customer service	Responsive to emails and general service housekeeping e.g. updating results (1-10, 10 being entirely satisfied).	0
Effort required	Number of bets and convenient release time for tips (1-10, where 10 is minimal effort). Total 55	10

Posted By: Tajrossi
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2021 at 2:24pm

Request for accountability data resulted in being banned. Terrible service