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Topic: Stable raids happening now!
Posted By: monty1
Subject: Stable raids happening now!
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 7:12am
Wow, if the mail is on point this is HUGE! Happening at several locations. Maybe not such a master trainer after all.



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Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 7:32am
Hit both stables at same time, carloads of police apparently


Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 7:44am
DK?


Posted By: marble
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 7:52am
massive news - not good for the industry.
It maybe just a rumour, I heard something about using a treadmill and a device? Front page news tomorrow


Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:01am
Yes, it won’t be good for the industry in the eyes of the general public but the racing industry participants who are clean will be doing cartwheels as they were when Smerdon and his mates got caught!


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:09am


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Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:10am
About time!!


Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:13am
This is fantastic news. The bloke has been rotten for a long time, racing has suffered from him being it. We say we are serious about animal welfare yet the biggest drug cheat ever according to number of positives has been lauded over as the master trainer. I think a telling thing was when the sun ran an article last year about the supposed cup which had been caught up in the Smerdon thing, they interviewed every stable about it. Weir as the leading trainer didn’t say anything. Also the seriousness of this is highlighted by the participation of the police both state and federal which suggest something more sinister than what we are acccustomed to.


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:38am
It is being reported that 3 people have been arrested, a 48 year old man, a 38 year old man and a 3rd person I didn't catch the info of.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:39am
Racing Victoria (RV) Executive General Manager – Integrity, Jamie Stier, has issued the following statement regarding the execution of warrants this morning by Victoria Police in Warrnambool and Ballarat:

“Racing Victoria’s Integrity Services team has been conducting an investigation into the activities of licensed persons in the Warrnambool and Ballarat areas. During the course of our investigation we sought the support of Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit on the matter, instigating their investigation.

“The Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit this morning executed warrants at properties in Warrnambool and Ballarat where they arrested three licensed persons for questioning. Members of the Racing Victoria Integrity Services team attended licensed stables to assist Victoria Police and to investigate potential offences against the Rules of Racing.

“As the matters are the subject of on-going investigations by Victoria Police and Racing Victoria we are not at liberty at this time to disclose the identities of the persons arrested nor the details of the investigations.

“Racing Victoria is committed to maintaining the highest integrity standards in our sport and, where appropriate, we will continue to work with Victoria Police on those investigations.”


Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:42am
Oh boy... black eye on racing again, horrible look


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:44am
Well looks like the medicine cabinet will be out of use for a week at least

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Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:44am
Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

It is being reported that 3 people have been arrested, a 48 year old man, a 38 year old man and a 3rd person I didn't catch the info of.


I assume Jarrod McLean is 38 then?


Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:45am
Watch 95% of his horses fall off a cliff in form


Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:46am
Just announced on Macquarie Sports Radio that Darren Weir is one of those arrested.


Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:47am
48 year old arrested.
Weir's 48 isn't he?


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:47am
Three people have been arrested including a 48-year-old Miner’s Rest man, a 38-year-old Yangery man and a 26-year-old Warrnambool man.

Police have also seized a gun and a taser


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:48am
Darren's milkshakes brings all the boys to his yards

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Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:49am
Alleged ‘Arrests confirmed following Darren Weir raids.

Info re items seized relate to alleged rigged races and jigger/s (electric buzzes).’


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:49am
They include attempt obtain financial advantage by deception, engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency, use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes, and attempt to commit indictable offence namely obtain financial advantage by deception.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting the allegations are true, only that they have been made.


Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:53am
Jarrod McLean is indeed 38


Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:54am
Mclean... why a shock


Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:56am
The old saying Always was Back Weir coz they’re on the gear


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 8:57am
Weir was at the sales in NZ yesterday or the day before, saw him on the TV
Unless he came back early....


Posted By: Underground
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:03am
will the usual suspects in here come rushing to his defence? about 5 years too late but it's something I guess 


Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:07am
Surely all his horses need to be scratched. Can’t have them running when the trainer is being held by the police


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:07am

Racing bombshell: Arrests and seizures in raids on Darren Weir stables

28 MINS AGO
https://www.3aw.com.au/show/3awbreakfast/" rel="nofollow - ROSS AND JOHN
 
 
https://www.3aw.com.au/tag/rumourfile/" rel="nofollow - THE RUMOUR FILE

Three people have been arrested and a gun seized in dramatic raids at the stables of Victoria’s leading horse trainer Darren Weir.

As first reported on the 3AW Breakfast Rumour File, police joined stewards in an early-morning swoop at Weir’s Warrnambool and Ballarat stables.

Ross and John have been told stable staff were lined up against a fence.

Several items were seized including a firearm and what police call “a conducted energy device”.

A Miners Rest man, 48, a Yangery man, 38, and a Warrnambool man, 26, were arrested as a result of the raids.

They will be interviewed in relation to sporting integrity matters including:

  • Obtaining financial advantage by deception;
  • Engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency;
  • The use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes;
  • Attempting to commit indictable offence namely obtain financial advantage by deception;

Racing Victoria said “as the matters are the subject of on-going investigations by Victoria Police and Racing Victoria we are not at liberty at this time to disclose the identities of the persons arrested nor the details of the investigations” (full statement below).

Weir, 48, is Victoria’s reigning premiership-winning trainer and leads Australia’s training premiership, well ahead of Winx trainer Chris Waller.

A one-time small-time trainer in western Victoria, his rise has been meteoric in the past five years, including the Melbourne Cup victory of Prince Of Penzance in 2015.

Weir has runners in five of the eight races at Mornington today, including two favourites.

RACING VICTORIA STATEMENT

“Racing Victoria’s Integrity Services team has been conducting an investigation into the activities of licensed persons in the Warrnambool and Ballarat areas. During the course of our investigation we sought the support of Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit on the matter, instigating their investigation.

“The Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit this morning executed warrants at properties in Warrnambool and Ballarat where they arrested three licensed persons for questioning. Members of the Racing Victoria Integrity Services team attended licensed stables to assist Victoria Police and to investigate potential offences against the Rules of Racing.

“As the matters are the subject of on-going investigations by Victoria Police and Racing Victoria we are not at liberty at this time to disclose the identities of the persons arrested nor the details of the investigations.

“Racing Victoria is committed to maintaining the highest integrity standards in our sport and, where appropriate, we will continue to work with Victoria Police on those investigations.”

http://www.3aw.com.au/racing-bombshell-police-stewards-raid-stables-of-leading-trainer-darren-weir/?fbclid=IwAR3SM0eGEPAxyMw-sOpThd0XEbtMJ9RUL5YUBbeArmEFOXLgBWm20stVYzE" rel="nofollow - http://www.3aw.com.au/racing-bombshell-police-stewards-raid-stables-of-leading-trainer-darren-weir/?fbclid=IwAR3SM0eGEPAxyMw-sOpThd0XEbtMJ9RUL5YUBbeArmEFOXLgBWm20stVYzE



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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:09am
Jumping the gun a little bit (NPI) calling for runners to be scratched. How is that fair to owners?
Innocent until proven guilty IMO


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:11am
Judging by this report, a 'medicine cabinet' may not even exist hence clean swabs Confused Whoops....hearsay suggests it does after all, may've needed swabs the day after Wink
https://couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/victorian-police-sports-integrity-unit-swoop-on-darren-weir-stable/news-story/412a4898f0bbb5ad8be1443c5d12fc73?fbclid=IwAR3Meq5lh8LrfenB9A70ASiDnmY-iyT2eKoIPW703HQCs1CYjaFL22P_ots&nk=30a29fc919181d7c7e5b9488d185bd95-1548797655" rel="nofollow - https://couriermail.com.au/sport/superracing/victorian-police-sports-integrity-unit-swoop-on-darren-weir-stable/news-story/412a4898f0bbb5ad8be1443c5d12fc73?fbclid=IwAR3Meq5lh8LrfenB9A70ASiDnmY-iyT2eKoIPW703HQCs1CYjaFL22P_ots&nk=30a29fc919181d7c7e5b9488d185bd95-1548797655

Victorian Police sports integrity unit swoop on Darren Weir stable

Leo Schlink and Mark Buttler, EXCLUSIVE, Herald Sun

Champion Australian trainer Darren Weir and two other men have been arrested after police seized a gun and a taser during dawn stable raids.

Detectives from the Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit executed warrants at properties at Warrnambool and Miners Rest, Ballarat as part of an ongoing investigation.

Police executed warrants from just before 6am.

Weir is one of Australia’s most successful trainers, training the 2015 Melbourne Cup winner Prince of Penzance.

Detectives from the Ballarat Divisional Response Unit and members of the Australian Federal Police were also involved in this morning’s operation.

Three people have been arrested including a 48-year-old Miner’s Rest man, a 38-year-old Yangery man and a 26-year-old Warrnambool man.

It is believed tbe men will now be interviewed in relation to sporting integrity matters.

They include attempt obtain financial advantage by deception, engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency, use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes, and attempt to commit indictable offence namely obtain financial advantage by deception.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting the allegations are true, only that they have been made.

https://16633.mc.tritondigital.com/WHOOSHKAA_1919/media-session/446f8bd1-7f6b-4ac6-ad4f-d389b664b65f/podcasts/podcast_1919/podcast_media/213e2c-Leo_Schlink.mp3" rel="nofollow - LEO SCHLINK ON RADIO STATION SEN

The Herald Sun understands a number of items including a firearm and what is believed to be a “conducted energy device” (a taser) were also seized from the properties.

The investigation remains ongoing and has also been assisted by Racing Victoria.

Allegations at the centre of the inquiry have been under investigation for months.

There have been persistent suggestions video from inside a stable has been a key element of their investigation.

The Herald Sun has chosen not to report on the inquiry because of police concerns the probe might be impacted.

Weir, who has training facilities at Maldon, Ballarat and Warrnambool, is Australia’s most successful trainer.

He last season prepared a Commonwealth record of 491 winners with combined prizemoney earnings of more than $31 million.

Previously based in Stawell, Weir has won the past five Victorian metropolitan premierships since creating “Weir-Town” in Ballarat.

His meteoric rise has been repeatedly questioned by some in racing, and applauded by others.

He leads Winx’s trainer Chris Waller by almost 90 wins in this season’s national trainer’s premiership.

Weir, 48, started out working for other stables, learning his trade as a farrier, strapper and track rider.

He is now one of the largest employers in racing and has hundreds of horses on his books.

Victoria police has in recent years beefed up its commitment to fighting sports corruption.

The sports integrity unit has run investigations in harness racing, tennis and cricket.

Originally published as https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/superracing/victorian-police-sports-integrity-unit-swoop-on-darren-weir-stable/news-story/412a4898f0bbb5ad8be1443c5d12fc73" rel="nofollow - Trainer Darren Weir arrested, gun seized in dawn stable raids




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Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:14am
What about the other owners. Even if it’s purely for thoroughness we want to promote integrity yet we have horses running when the guy is being investigated over race fixing


Posted By: Hartnell is dominant
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:25am
Innocent until proven guilty. Trial my media has already begun

At least with Smerdon, we had actual evidence to look at.

This time, nothing....

I’ll wait until I see the facts before passing judgement


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:27am
Watch all the market drifters in Melbourne for the next few days

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Posted By: Underground
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:27am
Originally posted by Hartnell is dominant Hartnell is dominant wrote:

Innocent until proven guilty. Trial my media has already begun

At least with Smerdon, we had actual evidence to look at.

This time, nothing....

I’ll wait until I see the facts before passing judgement

grab a coffee and sit down, you won't have to wait long =)


Posted By: sparticus
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:30am
How sad for the industry. Reckon they’ll make an example of him?


Posted By: Kong
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:35am
somewhere Des Gleeson is smiling.

there's been smoke for over a decade and where there's smoke...   


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:36am
No wonder social media is slammed.  

We know nothing until the facts come out.  So today every trainer is under a cloud if and when they have a good run.  Must be drugs.  If this turns out that he has been doing the wrong thing then that is a rotten thing.  He is the only recent trainer to get a Melbourne Cup for Australia.  Something which we all loved as it's getting nigh on impossible.  

Then how do they get the horses from his stables into like yards.  The numbers are immense and will be hard also.  We just have to sit down and hope details come out which we can then discuss with facts not excitement because someone might be going down for doing the wrong thing.  I prefer the excitement of a G1 race win not watching someone be knifed by people before every thing is out.

So calm down.  The details will be out there soon enough.


Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:38am
Hoped they'd get him for the juicing, but hey, I guess it's gonna be race-fixing and the jigger.  Oh well, they had to get Al Capone for tax evasion to make something stick.


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:40am
Puts a big dampener too on the Michelle Payne film, Ride like a Girl.
They will lose heaps on it.


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:40am
Taser ? Mmm the mind boggles ,no wonder they run faster if they have been given a wake up with the taser .....

If reports are proven they get life and a stint in the big house .

What about Michelle’s movie investors, I wonder how they might be feeling ? Casts a shadow over the movie surely ....



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Posted By: Mr Grieves
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:43am
No mention of animal cruelty in the press release?


Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:45am
Originally posted by Mr Grieves Mr Grieves wrote:

No mention of animal cruelty in the press release?

Fair point

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Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:45am
I dont see how a gun and taser has anything to do with it.
they sound like weapons held to defend the properties?

how the heck would a taser shock a horse into racing calmly?
guess we will find out.

the whole thing is sad.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:47am
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Grieves Mr Grieves wrote:

No mention of animal cruelty in the press release?

Fair point

Several items were seized including a firearm and what police call “a conducted energy device”.


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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:49am
A gun and a taser? Highly unlikely either of those would be for use on horses. Think they’re probably more incidental to the raid. Though it’s a bit strange they went to all this bother for race fixing. Unless they were expecting to find something they didn’t.


Posted By: arthur
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:55am
sorry how is it trial by media. 

he has been arrested and being questioned over some pretty significant allegations, this is not the stewards questioning him, what he has been arrested over has the potential for prison. 

Of all the issues racing has had, please tell me the last time, the vic policewere involved in a raid on a stable. 

He may end up innocent, but so far what we are seeing is unprecedent and racing needs to handle this correctly. We cant have horses running in his name, whilst this investigation is ongoing. 


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:56am
More likely jigger than taser.

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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:57am
Leo Shlink said onSEN that the video held would be horrifying to many if reports to the content were true . I wonder if that involves the use of the taser ? Stay tuned I guess

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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:58am
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Originally posted by Mr Grieves Mr Grieves wrote:

No mention of animal cruelty in the press release?

Fair point

Nobody wants to kill the golden goose, for racing to continue without thousands of greenies protesting, the jigger use will have to be downplayed

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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:58am
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

More likely jigger than taser.
that’s what I thought but reports keep referencing taser .

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Posted By: Hartnell is dominant
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:59am
This is an interesting point on one article

“There is no suggestion the weapons seized have been used on his horses.”


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 9:59am
Weir been getting tips from Jim Cassidy back in the day...

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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:00am
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

More likely jigger than taser.
that’s what I thought but reports keep referencing taser .

It’s been since called an electricity conducting device

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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:03am
So weir is stealing electricity as well, no wonder all the blackouts

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:05am
Originally posted by Nocturnal Nocturnal wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

More likely jigger than taser.
that’s what I thought but reports keep referencing taser .

Probably easier than constantly explaining that a jigger operates similar to a taser so call it one. 


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Posted By: D.OLIVER 2
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:05am
Is this the same clesnskin that was caught red handed tubing his horses on the Ballarat hwy by stewards years ago?Is this the cleanskin that said his horses were stabled at Ballarat when in fact they were in Warnanbool? Is this the man who ruined the buffet at the Harrow club?
What a selfish,self centered prick.
Hopefully Allen gets busted for laying horses on the fair when he wasn’t riding....what a joke.
Smerdon..gone.
Weir.....gone
Waller...hopefully next.

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:06am



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Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:37am
Raids by racing authorities mean nothing- they are allowed within the rules to come and go and seize what they like... raids by Police mean they need warrants and actual reasons they present to a third party to allow them to go ahead..
A firearm is probably an absolute nothing- how many country properties hold them on site?


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:40am
Electricity jigger found

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Posted By: Hartnell is dominant
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:42am
“There is no evidence to suggest the weapons seized have been used on horses.”

That’s what the media are saying on TV
Saying investigation is into race fixing and corruption, not doping or cruelty as has been rumoured.


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:46am
Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

Electricity jigger found
Vibrator ????

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Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:47am
The guess there is that the original video taken at the stable that prompted investigations is ??inadmissable... like much of the stuff filmed in the greyhound cases... so the focus has gone elsewhere


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:55am
Just as likely that the 'conducted electricity device' is an un-modified cattle prod. If they found it in the shed with the treadmills, they might be using it to get a max effort from the horse without the weight of a jockey.

Would need to know more about the gun. Could be anything from pest control to starter's pistol, used to make a loud noise.

The charges laid are everything that the sporting integrity unit has at their disposal. It'll be interesting to see what's left once they proceed to the courts.


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 10:56am
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

Electricity jigger found
Vibrator ????
LOL


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:00am
The whole thing is so sad.  The view of racing thats going to be seen by the general public for one.  And , if its true, to think what has been gotten away with for years now.
The cruelty bit blows my mind, when I have always heard how he looks after his retired horses.Cry
I would think a gun would be held as part of the furniture in a lot of stables, but if its not licenced , thats trouble.  As to a jigger ?  Or Taser ? Both would be illegal wouldnt they, no matter which it is ?
If true, its difficult to think that he thought he could get away with it all.  Surely he would know they were watching him like a hawk ?  Its mind blowing , the whole thing.Angry


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Posted By: brave_ponies
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:00am
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

Electricity jigger found
Vibrator ????

LOL


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:02am
Surely no surprises here among the racing experts. 547 winners at a strike rate of 15.4% & a place strike rate of 39.1% over the past 12 months. How many horses must be in his stables to achieve that ? What one on one influence could you possibly have with that many horses under your control ? How could he be that much better than the average trainer who struggles to get a result ? You would think there must be something "inherent/ systemic" going on on top of his apparent master training abilities to get those outcomes

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Posted By: monty1
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:10am
Yes, he is the only recent Australian trainer to win the Cup and at 100/1! I would rather an overseas horse win than a dirty Australian cheat.

So what if has 700 horses and a 100 staff, they will all find stables and jobs.

The authorities must have all of their ducks in a row to have simultaneous raids and with the Federal police involved this is going to be huge.


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:14am
Could he even be stripped of the Melbourne Cup?




Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:14am
One of the reasons I pretty well gave up punting on Vic country meetings. I would study the form only to see a Wier runner @ $1.50. Could never work it out as the form rarely justified it. So would take it on only to see it waltz in. Had to be impacting turnover I would have thought

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Posted By: Hartnell is dominant
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:16am
Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Could he even be stripped of the Melbourne Cup?




Highly unlikely.


Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:19am
I stopped doing the form.
I just backed his horses,and bailed out if there was no money for them.

Not fool proof, but without doubt,profitable.


Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:19am
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Surely no surprises here among the racing experts. 547 winners at a strike rate of 15.4% & a place strike rate of 39.1% over the past 12 months. How many horses must be in his stables to achieve that ? What one on one influence could you possibly have with that many horses under your control ? How could he be that much better than the average trainer who struggles to get a result ? You would think there must be something "inherent/ systemic" going on on top of his apparent master training abilities to get those outcomes
 
It is very sad indeed to hear of this happening in a hugely successful stable, albeit allegations till proven guilty,
His strike rate is impressive but not surprising as with a good reputation as a trainer will gather better horses to his stable, its not the quantity its the quality, plus his facilities are to be envied by any trainer.
All helps..


Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:25am
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

Electricity jigger found
Vibrator ????

That silly grin Weir always wears? maybe a vibrator after all?


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:28am
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Surely no surprises here among the racing experts. 547 winners at a strike rate of 15.4% & a place strike rate of 39.1% over the past 12 months. How many horses must be in his stables to achieve that ? What one on one influence could you possibly have with that many horses under your control ? How could he be that much better than the average trainer who struggles to get a result ? You would think there must be something "inherent/ systemic" going on on top of his apparent master training abilities to get those outcomes

Yes and it make you wonder more about the ability of other trainers with big stables and strike rates


Posted By: skippy123
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:48am
And there’s more to come... particularly the reason the AFP is involved


Posted By: 2Square
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 11:54am
I think you will find B Currie might get a mention along the way...


Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:06pm
Originally posted by skippy123 skippy123 wrote:

And there’s more to come... particularly the reason the AFP is involved

The involvement of the AFP implies something more that local. Unlicenced firearm would be Vic Pol only, a general racing doping irregularity would be RVL only...

Even the Police didn't get involved in the Smerdon case (as yet in anycase)..


Posted By: Kong
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:15pm
Smerdon, Kavanagh, Moody, Obrien, Weir.

Vic racing has an issue.


Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:23pm
Imported from China... disgraceful not Aus made am I right?


Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Kong Kong wrote:

Smerdon, Kavanagh, Moody, Obrien, Weir.

Vic racing has an issue.
Careful mentioning Moody, you'll get slammed! LOL
 
Might have been an issue, but now its being cleaned up! About time too! Think Weirs in for a long haul behind bars.
 


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:28pm
Who blabbed? I wonder how many of his many employees did not know.

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Posted By: Hartnell is dominant
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:37pm
Feel sorry for the 125 staff.


Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:37pm
A thought, if Mclean is indeed involved, could Ciaron Maher get dragged into it, from when Mclean was holding his stable??


Posted By: Hartnell is dominant
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:41pm
That was Purcell who took over Mahers team.
McLean hasn’t work for Maher.


Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:47pm
Weir arrested.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-30/darren-weirs-horse-racing-stables-raided-by-police/10761660" rel="nofollow - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-30/darren-weirs-horse-racing-stables-raided-by-police/10761660


Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:48pm
From the article:
 

In a statement, police said the men were arrested for questioning as part of an investigation into suspected offences including:

  • obtaining financial advantage by deception
  • engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome
  • use of corrupt conduct information for betting purposes
  • attempting to obtain financial advantage by deception


Posted By: Hartnell is dominant
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:49pm
Police have been pictured searching the engines of all his trucks.... weird


Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:51pm
AFP involvement makes me wonder if his trucks have been transporting more than horses


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:53pm
With the central plank of this being financial crimes, fraud deception etc, I wonder will Triads or Russian mafia get a mention at some stage?

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Posted By: rusty nails
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:53pm
Police taking away saddles????


Posted By: Cheeky
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:57pm
What does this mean?

"would corrupt event contingency"


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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 12:59pm
I haven't really followed this story - however wasn't he under suspicion back in Dec ? Seems crazy he wouldn't have cleaned his act up before now. Maybe he has - & this is just a bit of leftover Ouch

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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by Cheeky Cheeky wrote:

What does this mean?

"would corrupt event contingency"
  Fixing a race i would have thought

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Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by Hartnell is dominant Hartnell is dominant wrote:

That was Purcell who took over Mahers team.
McLean hasn’t work for Maher.
Ah thanks!


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by Cheeky Cheeky wrote:

What does this mean?

"would corrupt event contingency"

Altering a fair result.


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Posted By: Cheeky
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by oneonesit oneonesit wrote:

Originally posted by Cheeky Cheeky wrote:

What does this mean?

"would corrupt event contingency"
  Fixing a race i would have thought

I was thinking contingency might mean when there is a quadrella leg scratched and the contingency is the favourite is the sub.


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Posted By: VSP.
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:10pm
The media reports now are mostly saying Vic Pol not AFP, wonder which is correct.

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Posted By: sparticus
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:19pm
Racing.com mentioned federal police


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by VSP. VSP. wrote:

The media reports now are mostly saying Vic Pol not AFP, wonder which is correct.
I would've thought that the statement from RV would mention AFP if they were involved. That being the case, the mention of AFP involvement comes from the early 'tip' to the media. Most likely because they were wearing suits... 

Ultimately, it depends on the powers granted to the VicPol Sporting Integrity Unit.


Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2019 at 1:23pm
One things for sure - a good scandal fires TBV up. Haven't seen this many on-line since Trump destroyed Hillary or when Geoff Huegill was caught in the disabled toilets snorting cocaine

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