Another New Race To Be Created
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Topic: Another New Race To Be Created
Posted By: Jamal
Subject: Another New Race To Be Created
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 10:15pm
Turf war: Randwick to host new $8m race as Sydney looks to rival Melbourne springRoyal Randwick will become the home of the two richest turf races in the world next October as Racing NSW looks to extend the Sydney spring carnival with another multi-million-dollar event, which will be worth more the 2019 Melbourne Cup. The audacious plan, which was approved by the Racing NSW board on Thursday, had been a closely kept secret but Australian Turf Club officials were formally told of the concept for the race on Friday and the details will be announced later this week. The success of The Everest in its first two years has fuelled Racing NSW's desire for another race in the spring. The Herald understands the race will have more than $8 million in stakes and will once again challenge the status quo of the racing calendar. Melbourne has had a stranglehold on spring racing, with its famed carnival drawing on a tradition of more than 150 years, but its main events are all over extended trips - the Cox Plate at 2040m, the Caulfield Cup at 2400m and the Melbourne Cup over 3200m. It can be assumed the new race will not be over that distance range. The way Australian racing has evolved it has moved to shorter distances, with more explosive horses, and the Sydney race is believed to focus on that strength. The race will give the Sydney spring another feature day and will complement the highly successful Everest, which will be run on Caulfield Cup day next year. With the George Main Stakes in September, that means the Sydney spring will have strong racing across a six-week period. A race covering the middle-distance range would make sense, as it would encourage the sprinters from The Everest to take on the milers from races such as the George Main and The Epsom at a trip that would test both speed and stamina. The Herald understands Racing NSW chief executive Peter V’landys believes racing administrations across the country should make the most of the month of October, as it falls between the end of the major football codes and start of the cricket season. V'landys believes racing nationwide should capitalise on the gap in the market, rather than seeing October as a month owned solely by Victoria. There have been rumours around racing circles that the new race was to be a $2 million race over two miles for Australian-bred horses on Melbourne Cup day. But it is understood that is not correct and that a race on Melbourne Cup had never been considered. “We will have an announcement that will play to our strengths,” V'landys said. The race will not be slots-based, like The Everest, nor will there be a public vote as in Racing Victoria's recently announced All Star Mile. But the high stakes are sure to attract attention. V'landys indicated there may be more more than one new race in the announcement. The Herald understands the race could be part of a tri-code approach to a weekend of racing excellence, which would include the Million-Dollar Chase for the greyhounds at Wentworth Park and a million-dollar harness racing event at Menangle. The idea could be funded by a new bet type that may be coming on line in the new year through the TAB. Tabcorp would not comment on any developments of a new bet type last week. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 11:06pm
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Why not just boost a race already in existence ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 5:23am
I agree, why not use the money to boost say, the George Main as well as the Epsom and Metropolitan handicaps. That could potentially see these races becoming great lead ins to the meaty end of the Melbourne spring. This war on each others carnivals that has been going on has to stop. |
djebel wrote:Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 5:41am
| Link doesn’t work |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 6:00am
| Worked for me |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 6:02am
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Sounds like they’re going for a 1400m race, appealing to the breeding strengths, as well as testing stamina. Full credit to them. They’re going about it the right way. By establishing these new landmarks on the calendar, the rules that determine ‘status’ should see the established dysfunctional ‘pattern’ adjust itself naturally over time. |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 6:45am
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5:42AM Why cant there be a national interest to boost prize money in all of the city cup races: Perth Cup Adelaide Cup Sydney Cup Brisbane Cup I didn't include the Melbourne Cup as it is already worth a lot of money and maybe the Sydney Cup should of been left out as that race is worth $2 mil. But the others - why not make them each a million dollars? Surely it can't hurt. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:08am
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If SA, WA & Qld had the money, they probably would... but they don’t... and never will. Those jurisdictions would do better focusing on raising the base level prize money as it is more closely aligned to wages. |
Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:12am
Sydney racing is a farce, no tradition , no class, all about jealousy and rivalry with Victoria. Another meaningless race created , like T20 in cricket, who remembers the winner of The Everest  ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:18am
Mlebourne has butted in during the autumn many times. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:22am
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:23am
lol ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:26am
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:30am
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There certainly is a need for a 1400m spring championship, where all the top sprinters meet for big prizemoney. The opposite of those stayer warm up 1400m G1s held in Melbourne. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:51am
| I agree - there is no 1400 or even really 1600 'signature' race, where you will definitely get all the best horses over those distances. This is what everyone wanted when they were whinging last spring. |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:52am
The Perth, Brisbane and Adelaide cups should all still be 2 miles and if they want to get more locals into rhe Melbourne Cup why not make the winners of these 3 races ballot exempt for the MC? Melbourne started this war when they started encroaching on the Sydney autumn a few years ago by moving the Australian Guineas closer to the Randwick Guineas as well as the Alistair Clark and William Reid to the back of the carnival. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 8:03am
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Where’s all the money for this coming from? Wherever, we simply don’t have the depth of quality of horses to justify all these G1 and novelty races. It’s getting obscene. In fact, just as it seems the quality our horses diminishing, we’re throwing more and more money at them. Great for breeders I suppose. |
Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 8:18am
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Melbourne started this war when they started encroaching on the Sydney autumn a few years ago by moving the Australian Guineas closer to the Randwick Guineas as well as the Alistair Clark and William Reid to the back of the carnival. [/QUOTE] In my opinion the Melbourne races are not in competition but enhance the Sydney Carnival, good quality races all over the place ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 8:49am
| The only open age distance missing in the Sydney Spring is 2000m. Plenty at the mile and already a G1 1400m. Wonder if they will try to take on Cox Plate? |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 8:52am
| They heavily imply in the article it's a 1400 and won't take on the Cox/Caulfield/Melbourne Cup |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 10:21am
Hill Stakes and Craven Plate? |
Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 10:57am
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It is just throwing more money at the same horses. I would love to see a national program adopted similar to what we used to have. Racing seemed to be far more co-operative when it was run by the principal clubs and co-ordinated nationally by the Racing Conference. These days, since it has all been corporatized, it seems to be run by corporate incompetents and spivs and seems intent on tearing itself apart. It has all the hallmarks of an industry with way too much money and not a clue how to invest it constructively but it doesn't matter because it is such a lucrative racket that the money just keeps rolling in no matter how badly they stuff it up.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 11:07am
Plenty of 2000m options already- too many. What G1 1400m are you referring to? The 3yo race, the handicap, or the 2 Melbourne wfa races positioned so that they never get the top sprinters? ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 11:23am
And yet one of the country NSW tracks I attended recently can’t even get funding to build an amenities block on course. They don’t even have a flushing toilet 
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Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 11:34am
the horses are used to that ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 12:44pm
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The Herald understands It can be assumed the Sydney race is believed to focus But it is understood The Herald understands the race The idea could be funded by a new bet type Why don't they just put out a release instead of playing these games using journos.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 4:04pm
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"A race covering the middle-distance range would make sense, as it would encourage the sprinters from The Everest to take on the milers from races such as the George Main and The Epsom at a trip that would test both speed and stamina." Who wrote that shyte?
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 4:06pm
Roxy Jacenko. Is 1400m a middle distance in Sydney now?  ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 4:11pm
Chris Roots. But I think he's dreaming....
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 4:11pm
Name it for your credibility please. There's nothing wrong with a well cared for long drop or composted dunny. Beats the bloody portaloos at the Cup and other big events.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 4:27pm
Understand he means "stamina" in the Oz context but there is no 1400m in this country which is a test of stamina unless the plan is to eventually build a new track with some decent topography and an steep uphill run home. I'd like to see a horse triathlon at set weights, all horses carry 55 (and not 500g over - 6months ban and $50K fine for any jockey overweight, zero exceptions), no whips or spurs allowed. They swim the first 200m then jockeys mount Le Mans style for a few low hurdles for 600m followed by an uphill run home over 700m.
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Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 3:24pm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH23Om-awnY%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH23Om-awnY |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 3:42pm
I like it. I am pinching that. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 4:35pm
What else can "middle-distance range" mean except for 1400m or maybe 1500m in the above context, Everest runners racing George Main and Epsom runners? ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 5:19pm
MM Stayers Cup (rofl) is 1800m, shortest race distance is 800m(?), so "middle distance" is ~1300m  . We go from the sublime to the ridiculous, and guess who's paying for it? I'll make a prediction. Racing turnover from Oz residents will diminish over the next 10 years. In other words these are racing's heydays. That could be turned around IF we suddenly had a dozen quality middle distance horses a la the 1990s but that seems very unlikely.
Inevitably the MRC will have to boost the Cup prizemoney 10% I suppose. |
Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 8:11pm
Winx Stakes - 1400m WFA
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Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 8:15pm
Neither carry G1 status. New race might not either, but winning an $8M race will certainly have some status to go with it.
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Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 6:02am
| I think it's a good thing what is going on in changing up the callander and putting these new races on. As long as this new influx of money is still going to flow back to all round racing worker! ( trainer owner jockey strapper ex) and then racing might put there heads together and break with a bit of old tradition in looking at the spring program for 3yld ? Ex derby, ridiculous it being 2500mtr when some of the runners are still 2yld . I know traditionaly its 2400 mtr but not every where in the world run there derby's at that trip! It just makes for a more logical lead up to the AJC derby run when horses are 3yld. Could keep going but there's plenty of time ! |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 6:02am
That won't work as a 1400m championship, being held in August. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 8:09am
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Racing NSW announce new race - Golden Eagle - at Rosehill on November 2 over 1500m, 4yo horses at set weights. Prizemoney at $7.5 million. Racing NSW say 10% of prizemoney won in the Golden Eagle will be given to charities of the owners' choice. Golden Slam being formed - Golden Slipper at 2yo, Golden Rose at 3yo, Golden Eagle at 4yo. Any horse that completes all three wins $5 million bonus. Racing NSW also announce Bondi Stakes, 1600m race for 3yo at Randwick on Cox Plate Day, worth $1million. Golden Gift for 2yos in November next year worth $1million, run over 1100m.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 8:44am
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To be run in Sydney whilst Vic Derby day is in Melbourne: https://www.punters.com.au/news/racing-nsw-announce-new-rich-races_175194/" rel="nofollow - https://www.punters.com.au/news/racing-nsw-announce-new-rich-races_175194/ ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:00am
| Externally sponsored. I'm pleasantly surprised that the concept appears to have some sound reasoning behind it, primarily to encourage horses to stay in Au racing. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:02am
| https://www.racingnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/7.5-million-The-Golden-Eagle-Highlights-Spring-Expansion-5-Dec-18.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingnsw.com.au/wp-content/uploads/7.5-million-The-Golden-Eagle-Highlights-Spring-Expansion-5-Dec-18.pdf |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:12am
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Is the Golden Gift going to slot in where the old Silver Slipper used to run? Not sure about the Bondi that's to close to the Caulfield Guineas and will cause issues for fields. Also this is just going to start a turf war. Pull you heads in and talk to each other instead of driving a wedge deeper into the cracks. |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:19am
2 weeks apart seems alright. Both should get decent fields. The Bondi will get probably get most of the Guineas field barring the winner and a few others
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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:37am
| Great announcements, more competition is good. |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:55am
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Interesting timeline, though. Arrowfield buy Dundeel - QE is raised to 4 million prizemoney Arrowfield buy The Autumn Sun - New 7.5 million dollar race made (While conveniently keeping him apart from Winx) In general I think they'll be great races, though.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:55am
| So Melbourne will be full of overseas horses and the Australian horses will be in Sydney? Competition is good but there also has to be a flow and a give and take so the best horses can be seen everywhere. Wouldn't it be sad if Melbourne had never seen Winx! |
Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 10:08am
| 1500m sounds good, I've always wondered why they didn't have more races over that distance and get a mix of the sprinters and milers. But the interstate war that seems to have heated up in recent years isn't great for racing imo, you want the best horses in the country in the same place at once, not split up. |
Posted By: Campaspe
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 6:03pm
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Geez, we're going to see a lot of nice young horses ruined trying to get to that Golden Gift.
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Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 7:20pm
Never said it would. Just saying there is no G1 open age 2000m but most other distances were already covered. Anyway doesn't matter now, 3 more races at 1600 or less for $1M+.
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Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 7:21pm
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
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Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 7:54pm
| All these big money races over 1200-1500 how much would Black Caviar earn if she was around... |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 2:01pm
If we did not have the European and Japanese imports plus those interlopers in the Spring we'd probably think we had top class middle distance and staying types. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 2:02pm
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This new 2yo race they are creating. Why not just move the Silver Slipper from the summer/autumn to the Spring ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Whale
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 2:22pm
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Sydney spivs, money doesn't buy class ------------- Victor Orban 1.74 m, Michael Bloomberg 1.73 m, Emmanual Macron 1.77 m, George Soros 1.8 m |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 4:47pm
I just read that it's only for 4yos and one of the main aims is to keep 3yo colts from being retired. Oh, dear - why not go the whole hog and restrict this restricted race to 4yo entires? Wouldn't want a gelding to ruin it.------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 5:50pm
Agree with this, and wasn’t the Silver Slipper traditionally run in the Spring anyway? Cox Plate Say, Im pretty sure. But seriously I can’t fathom that Spring 2yo’s are going to be racing for $1.0m prizemoney. At that time of the season, the field will be full of horses that have only had 1 or 2 starts (at most), maybe even debutants. Certainly not horses that deserve to be racing for that sort of astronomical prizemoney at that point in their careers. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:40am
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The more I think about this race the less I like it. For starters, I don't like big bucks restricted races: I like open races. I thought that it could be Australia's 1400m or 1500m championship. Nope-far from it. It won't get the best of Australia and it won't get northern hemisphere visitors. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 7:01am
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You’re essentially going to re-run of the Randwick Guineas 6 months later. Whoopee. Generally speaking our 4yos can’t compete with imports/internationals in the Spring anyway, so I doubt they’ll be missed in Melbourne much anyway. As a pure race it’s likely to be very underwhelming restricted event. I hear there’s external or new funding. Anyone specified what it actually is? |
Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 7:12am
| I'd guess the Melbourne races that might be most effected are the Toorak and the Cantala, the biggest surprise out of this is the ATC putting one of these big money races on away from Randwick. |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 10:36am
Fair point re Randwick Guineas re-run. Personally I think it's a stupid idea.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 12:53pm
Except that fillies are far more likely to have a crack. Should attract the best sprinting 4yos and hopefully provide some incentive to keep prospective stud colts in racing. Well worth a shot. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Funding hasn't been announced but they indicated that the race would be sponsored and will be gimmick-free - unlike the Everest, Kosciuszko, or the All Star. Another good initiative from administrations which are light years ahead of Vic in many areas - esp integrity.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 1:01pm
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https://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/latest-racing-news/racing-nsw-ceo-peter-vlandys-discusses-the-golden-eagle-on-racing-com/" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingnsw.com.au/news/latest-racing-news/racing-nsw-ceo-peter-vlandys-discusses-the-golden-eagle-on-racing-com/ Interesting that the funding being negotiated might extend to a pacing and a dog race.
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 1:13pm
| The introduction of the PoCT on all fixed price odds will cover it...that is punters will pay for it |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 3:35pm
| What odds are you offering? |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:11pm
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Imagine how ridiculous this race is going to look if there is a superstar sprinter going around who is actually racing, shock horror, at the venerable age of 5 or even older. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:19pm
| Recent announcements by RV(L) re this race in the Autumn, and Racing NSW regarding its projected event in Sydney on Derby day in Melbourne do little to dispel the impression that the two jurisdictions are doing little more than having a Big Penis Competition. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:21pm
| I can’t think of a weaker race than a race exclusively for Australian 4yos. Think of the best fields of say 14 you’d assemble out of that lot over the past few years. For 7.5 mill. Crikey. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:26pm
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What is the official marketing-spin-spruik justification for making it a race restricted to 4yos? ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:30pm
| It'll be a race of geldings, a couple fillies and some 'stallion prospects' that no one would send a mare to anyway |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:31pm
This year for instance, you’d have horses like Kementari and Pierata fighting out favouritism. Horses that got ripped a new one by Santa Ana Lane in the in the big sprint. Sorry Santa, you old fossil, you’re not welcome. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:54pm
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Sounds like you got a bunch of sour grapes Judge. SAL had the Everest for much bigger $$$. The logic behind the 4yo restriction has been discussed Tlaz. Google and listen/read.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:54pm
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The idea of restricting it to 4yo's, is so it does not interfere with any VRC races. The 4yo's who are milers will not come up for it, the 4yo's being aimed at the Mackinnon/Cox Plate will not run, and so the clever dicks, in NSW thought they could squeeze this past the wicketkeeper. The thing that makes me laugh is Amanda Elliott coming out saying that Racing NSW has thought about no one else but themselves. That is a bit rich coming from, a board member, of a club, who when the broadcast rights were being negotiated, told the rest of Victoria to go screw themselves, and that whatever we sell our Melbourne Cup week rights for we will keep in our coffers. As well as just making VRC races exempt for the Melbourne Cup ballot. I would think the VRC are the very definition of selfish, but hey that is from someone who does not know what he is talking about  ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 5:58pm
| But why have a multi-million non stakes event race for 4yo's? Bizarre, even given the pointless unhelpful interstate rivalry. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:03pm
| The hypocrisy is breathtaking. Off the top of my head - the Australian Guineas boost and repositioning, the All Star Mile, 30 minute race gaps, Caulfield Cup WFA, lack of support for Racefields, blocking Group status for the Everest (which I agreed with)...... |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:05pm
It won't be non black type for long if it succeeds SC. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:10pm
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From the press release: Trapeze Artist Kementari Pierata Grunt Merchant Navy Peaceful State Invader Menari Mighty Boss Showtime The Mission Siege of Quebec Cliff's Edge D’argento Alizee Aloisia Shoals Unforgotten |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:11pm
| Sour grapes? Not sure why. Just believe there should be some sort of meritocracy involved in sports. Australian racing seems to want to do everything it can to subvert that. In a blind rush. |
Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:12pm
| Why do they give them these silly golden names though? Name them after great horses or trainers or jockeys, something with a connection to the sport rather than it sounding as someone else said like a chinese restaurant. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:12pm
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Will the Everest let alone this projected race ever be Black type blinder?
That aside, if this new race proves successful the VRC will simply increase prizemoney for the 1600m Cantala run on the same day. Yep, just a big d1ck contest for mine.
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:18pm
| Would you rather have a $7.5 milion race, or 7 million dollar races spread over one raceday? |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:46pm
That's a half million dollar field- what's the other seven for? ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 6:50pm
Well it is a press release. What I see there area few horses that have failed beyond 1200-1400, and several horses that left their best form way back. The "best" of them were beaten up by the Euros in the Spring.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 7:09pm
I believe the E had support across the board as a G1 but was vetoed by RV. Apart from the hoopla around slots it's a essentially a re-run of the TJSmith. Someone on Racenet mentioned the Golden Rose's quick rise to G1 status. No reason this race couldn't do the same IF it attracts the right field. It's pretty simple to me. They want to make Sydney more attractive to punters and racegoers in spring AND hope to induce owners to keep racing their colts in Au and for longer. So far their record is pretty much impeccable - the Champs, the Country and Provincial Champs, The Everest, The Kosciuszko. This might be the one to bring the averages down, who knows? Worth a lash and has some good thinking behind it imo.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 7:19pm
You're looking for negatives, hence my sour grape comment. You don't see the obvious quality? It would be a great race if even half of them turned up in top form. They'll be running against their own age over 1500m, a totally different task to facing open company over middle distances.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 7:55pm
TIC but you could say the same for many of our million dollar races. They're trying to excite and obviously it attracts some people. The 2017 Everest was the second highest turnover race in the country. I'm still not sure why but thems the facts. The hoopla/massive prizemoney races are not really my cup of tea but so far their approach is working. I prefer the time-honoured classics myself and would like fewer G1s so horses can't avoid each other so easily.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 11:18pm
You are correct mice. When Messara, and his good buddy Alan Jones get stuck in and the rest of the breeding industry get involved maybe three years, at max. The Peter Pan was avoided like the plague by the top 3yo's, who were stallion bound, until John and the ATC board members, with shares in stallions, got involved. At least they modified a current race. I mean Peter Pan is one of my favs, and he deserves a good stakes race in his name, but except for changing the name, the club did the right thing by not creating a entirely new race for the Golden Rose. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 11:20pm
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I wouldn’t even bother applying for group status. Breeders & buyers that hang their hats on black type are missing out. There’s only a handful of races in each distance group that are worth printing in a sales catalogue. The rest is a ratings exercise. I’d go as far as to say that the format of sales catalogues is a barrier to new entrants. |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 8:39am
What's the point of this? Not having a go at you 3BM, just the messenger, but this is just 'here's a list of nice horses you'll never see run in this race'. Why not have a potential line up of this seasons 3YOs instead?
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 10:53am
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It's simply an example in anticipation of negative responses TJ. Horses can improve dramatically as they mature as we know so a list of this year's better 3yo's would potentially miss some good horses. I suspect it might also have been a nod to the fact that the colts esp have been pretty mediocre to date. The race is a gamble, perhaps with a HK/Singapore flavour of feteing 4yos? I had a quick look at 3yos myself using TF but most of the list is dominated by distance horses from OS
 . Incredibly though it seems Racing Australia doesn't even have up-to-date lists of our top horses in each age group. If it exists it's bloody hard to find. Maybe if I send Barry a bottle of Grange he'll extract the digit and provide this very basic info. While I'm at it it's time to send RNSW a request that every NSW racecourse website be required to have a list of course records. Their total lack of interest in history and its importance to their clubs is quite frankly appalling. |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 11:12am
Agree fully. While you're at it can you ask for them to have a list of every horse under a trainers name on the site, owners too. I know AAP megaform has it but it's not something you should have to pay for
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Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 11:28am
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Racing nsw website lists trainers horses (well at least they used to.) Even for non NSW trainers ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 11:30am
This is true, I was more wanting the owners as if one is a seller its easier to go through the horses lol
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Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2018 at 11:39am
Fair enough. Would be easier if it’s all in one place  ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 12:18pm
http://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/top-100-races-in-theworld-in-terms-of-ratings_topic63267.html" rel="nofollow - http://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/top-100-races-in-theworld-in-terms-of-ratings_topic63267.html These are the only races worth mentioning by name in a sales catalogue.
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