G1 Mackinnon Stakes
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Topic: G1 Mackinnon Stakes
Posted By: Jamal
Subject: G1 Mackinnon Stakes
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 12:48pm
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The field looks pretty ordinary...no depth. Its a wonder Benbatle wasn't nominated for this race. It just shows the lack of quality in numbers in Aussie racing at 2000m onwards. Its a shame thats for sure. No I'm not having a go at Aussie racing...I love Aussie racing..but this year's Mackinnon field is disappointing. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:05pm
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Nothing wrong with the field. Has the derby winner as an added bonus, what more could you want. |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:06pm
| Extra Brut to beat Latrobe |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:08pm
Nothing wrong with the field? There are no quality 2000m horses in the race. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Prince of Penzance wrote:Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:10pm
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Field is okay. For a 2000m race. In the middle of winter. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:13pm
If he has come through Saturdayd slugfest fine he has the talent to win but why go to this race, give the horse a breather. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:18pm
| $1.2 million first prize to towel up a bunch of spuds. Why wouldn’t they run him |
Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:27pm
| Terrible field when you compare it to races like the Caulfield Stakes which are usually weaker. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:12pm
The very essence of why our horses are kissed. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:20pm
Djebel do you mean - high prize money races with low qualith fields? ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:45pm
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Question has to be asked..was it worth the trouble of moving the race to the final day. I liked the race on Derby Day ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:50pm
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I like the change. 1600 on Day 1 2000 on day 2 More horses should back up IMO |
Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 3:10pm
| I don't know why those horses took on Winx in the Cox Plate instead of coming here. Humidor, Benbatl, D'argento would have gone very close in this instead of getting broken by Winx. |
Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 4:03pm
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Extra Brute lay of the year! VERY WEAK DERBY!
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 4:53pm
| $5.50 Latrobe. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 5:44pm
Have those 3 all been spelled? Terrible race now. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 6:34pm
| Ordinary field. Don't think Mickey Blue Eyes should be 3 times the price of Extra Brut, forget derby run, was caught behind those donkeys on fence, with same run as winner he would have been in finish. Didn't have a gutbuster, was basically not tested in straight..rough chance IMO |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 6:41pm
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Have they got mixed up and entered Latrobe in the wrong race? The QE is his race. surely. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 9:13pm
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I was hoping they backed up Hartnell but obviously he felt the run last week. Is there any reason why Blair House is not worth backing? ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 11:21pm
| Blair house wins with Latrobe running on |
Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 11:22pm
| This seems like a bit of a disastrous race to win for handicapping and La Trobe getting into the MC on a light weight... bizarre.. you would think Lloyd would be dodging the handicapper at every turn |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 11:40am
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In the sprint race on Saturday...10 horses with a Timeform rating with 120 or more. In the Mackinnon..only one horses with a Timeform rating of 120 or more ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 12:27pm
| There is about 7 horses that were being aimed at the Mackinnon that have been injured in lead up races. These things happen. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 1:21pm
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They are an ordinary lot . The struggling leader =Trap For Fools might run a race EW |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 1:38pm
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How many of these would have even been allowed to run in the Cox Plate? I'd think maybe only BLAIR HOUSE and LATROBE would have been guaranteed a run. Naturally, Extra Brut is the late addition. This race was moved to encourage Cox Plate runners to back up, as it was losing it's zest as a Melbourne Cup leadup race, with the Internationals taking over that race. Now it looks like a lead-up race to the Sandown Classic.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 2:54pm
If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 4:45pm
I would go the other way T. I am not usually behind the VRC with their bullying tactics for spring and their single mindedness for their own carnival, but add 2 million to this, and make it the wfa championship to rival the Cox Plate. Winx has saved wfa middle distance racing in Australia the last few years, but when she departs our tracks, we will be left with a very ordinary lot of wfa horses. Just on this race, are we thinking Shillelagh can run the 2000m? ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 4:53pm
I think if the stakes were raised to those levels you will get more international entries who will come and make the race not winnable for Australian based horses. Given that there is no open Breeder's Cup turf race for most NH horses will opt to try the Breeder's Cup Classic over the 1 1/4 mile distance on the dirt - but the stakes of that are US$6 million. Really, the race was an *institutional* lead up to the Melbourne Cup and should of been left in its place. Tomorrow's race will bring out usual threads on the list like "How far would of Winx won if she was in the race??" Thanks4Coming |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:04pm
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To be honest Brudder, I could not care less about the owners or trainers or jockeys who complain that overseas horses will continue to come over and win our races. If you want to support the racing industry, by buying speed bred horses, for a quick two year old return, there for, pushing the breeding industry towards a certain breeding model, then you deserve to not have a runner in the cup, or the derby or metrop or whatever the middle distance staying races are. The last few Mackinnons have seen Tosen Stardom, Gailo Cho[p and Side Glance win. None of them were bred here, so it looks like NZ and Australian connections could not care any less about this race, and if that is the case then good luck to the overseas connections like Saeed and Charlie Appleby, etc. I can also guarantee you that if this spring is any indication and we see more sprinter milers like Home Of The Brave, Jungle cat, Spirit Of Valour and others come down and start winning our sprints and mile races, then it will prove to our owners and breeders that they are doing a f#@king terrible job, when it comes to growing the quality of our racing stock. But hey it has all been said before, and nothing has changed. Lets hope Fiorente and others can develop a good stallion record! ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:06pm
| Shillelagh is the interesting runner for me. Blair House is too short in the markets, if Shillelagh can get a nice sit and then have the last run at them she can figure. Not sure if the 2000m will dull her turn of foot. This is always a tricky race and an upset wouldn't surprise. |
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:17pm
No problems, Voyagers. Your post always give interesting insight and are worth reading...
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:24pm
There has been no quality and depth in numbers for years.. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:30pm
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Extra Brut Blair House Latrobe Octabella ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:30pm
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In truth the race has been relative rubbish for many years with a field mainly comprising beaten Cox Plate runners or a final blow-out for Melbourne Cup contestants. I presume (without actually knowing) that Blair House is running after his 2nd in the Caulfield Stakes because of a setback that kept him out of the Cox. And Latrobe hasn't started since his run in the 2800m Irish St Leger so (without knowing once again) must have had a problem that precluded him running in the Cup or the Cox. Bottom line: without them the race would be relative rubbish yet again, just without the Melbourne Cup hopefuls having their final (Bart Cummings speciality) final hit out. |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:35pm
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Latrobe wasn't ready for the Cup. Blair House was kept out of the Cox to run here as they thought it was more winnable.
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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:42pm
La Trobe wouldn't win a MC. |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:44pm
| Hasn't there been talk the last few years that Euros should target this race for the prize money, rather than the Cups? Surprised that it's taken this long. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:46pm
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Thanks Speed and don't for a moment doubt what you've read, even if I agree re Latrobe and query the Blair House info. In any event it hardly changes the scenario: without them the field is ordinary and will continue to remain so in the future imo. Over to others. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:49pm
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We'll have a new Cox Plate winner next season. I'll bet my middle testicle he backs up into this. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:49pm
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Yep. Appleby said they had little chance of beating Benbatl in the CP let alone Winx. $375K for third there V $1.2M win tomorrow, which he should do against that lot.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:53pm
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Putting a lot of trust in Dazzling Darren here but I am going to assume Extra Brut has thrived since the Derby. He is by far the best horse in the race. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:56pm
| Lol. Are you not a disciple of the Au middle distance credo then? |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:58pm
| Or the '3yo's are a mediocre lot' credo - with a couple of exceptions? |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:02pm
| Was just thinking BH will probably start a shade of sauce tomorrow, better get on. Too late. $2.30 last night, evens now. Tote might be the only hope |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:03pm
You have a middle testicle?  ps an old and to this day huge mate of mine only had one testicle, and that attracted rather than turned off prospective lady friends - after word got around. He and his missus later had five children proving, as he'd later say, that one ball does it all. Please don't thank me for sharing that with you all.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:06pm
It just makes me laugh when I hear trainers or owners or media types say we should cap internationals. As was stated before the Cup this week, and again by Shrunk, in the Melbourne Cup thread, the field for this years cup would have been less than inspiring, if they had not shown up! ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:02pm
I think if you like Extra Brute then Mickey is worth a couple of bucks eachway...have taken $41.00, not much damage done if he flops |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:07pm
The horses are less hardy these days. Need to race less often, longer space between runs. That's why we have more G1s. Do the math. It all adds up. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:41pm
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BLAIR HOUSE to beat LATROBE/SHILLELAGH/DOUBT DEFYING for me. Might have something the place on DOUBT DEFYING who is in best form.
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:07pm
WOOO HOOO What a BEAUTY |
Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:50pm
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Got to give credit how he dug in. Though 100m out that he would be run over but reckon we he saw them coming he found a reason not to let them pass him. Tuff win !
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