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Topic: G1 Mackinnon Stakes
Posted By: Jamal
Subject: G1 Mackinnon Stakes
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 12:48pm
The field looks pretty ordinary...no depth. Its a wonder Benbatle wasn't nominated for this race.

It just shows the lack of quality in numbers in Aussie racing at 2000m onwards. Its a shame thats for sure.

No I'm not having a go at Aussie racing...I love Aussie racing..but this year's Mackinnon field is disappointing.

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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:05pm
Nothing wrong with the field.
Has the derby winner as an added bonus, what more could you want.


Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:06pm
Extra Brut to beat Latrobe


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Nothing wrong with the field.
Has the derby winner as an added bonus, what more could you want.


Nothing wrong with the field? There are no quality 2000m horses in the race.

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It's always good when a WA horse does well in the Eastern States or abroad.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:10pm
Field is okay. For a 2000m race.
In the middle of winter.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Nothing wrong with the field.
Has the derby winner as an added bonus, what more could you want.


If he has come through Saturdayd slugfest fine he has the talent to win but why go to this race, give the horse a breather.

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:18pm
$1.2 million first prize to towel up a bunch of spuds. Why wouldn’t they run him


Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 1:27pm
Terrible field when you compare it to races like the Caulfield Stakes which are usually weaker. 


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:12pm
Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

$1.2 million first prize to towel up a bunch of spuds. Why wouldn’t they run him


The very essence of why our horses are kissed.

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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

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The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.



Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

$1.2 million first prize to towel up a bunch of spuds. Why wouldn’t they run him


The very essence of why our horses are kissed.


Djebel do you mean - high prize money races with low qualith fields?

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:45pm
Question has to be asked..was it worth the trouble of moving the race to the final day. I liked the race on Derby Day

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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 2:50pm
I like the change.
1600 on Day 1
2000 on day 2

More horses should back up IMO


Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 3:10pm
I don't know why those horses took on Winx in the Cox Plate instead of coming here. Humidor, Benbatl, D'argento would have gone very close in this instead of getting broken by Winx. 


Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 4:03pm
Extra Brute lay of the year!

VERY WEAK DERBY!


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 4:53pm
$5.50 Latrobe.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by jacko1 jacko1 wrote:

I don't know why those horses took on Winx in the Cox Plate instead of coming here. Humidor, Benbatl, D'argento would have gone very close in this instead of getting broken by Winx. 


Have those 3 all been spelled? Terrible race now.

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Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 6:34pm
Ordinary field. Don't think Mickey Blue Eyes should be 3 times the price of Extra Brut, forget derby run, was caught behind those donkeys on fence, with same run as winner he would have been in finish. Didn't have a gutbuster, was basically not tested in straight..rough chance IMO


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 6:41pm
Have they got mixed up and entered Latrobe in the wrong race? The QE is his race. surely.


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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 9:13pm
I was hoping they backed up Hartnell but obviously he felt the run last week.

Is there any reason why Blair House is not worth backing?

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Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 11:21pm
Blair house wins with Latrobe running on


Posted By: breeding_above_all
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2018 at 11:22pm
This seems like a bit of a disastrous race to win for handicapping and La Trobe getting into the MC on a light weight... bizarre.. you would think Lloyd would be dodging the handicapper at every turn


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 11:40am
In the sprint race on Saturday...10 horses with a Timeform rating with 120 or more.

In the Mackinnon..only one horses with a Timeform rating of 120 or more

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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 12:27pm
There is about 7 horses that were being aimed at the Mackinnon that have been injured in lead up races. These things happen.

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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 1:21pm
They are an ordinary lot .

The struggling leader =Trap For Fools might run a race EW


Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 1:38pm
How many of these would have even been allowed to run in the Cox Plate? I'd think maybe only BLAIR HOUSE and LATROBE would have been guaranteed a run.  Naturally, Extra Brut is the late addition. 

This race was moved to encourage Cox Plate runners to back up, as it was losing it's zest as a Melbourne Cup leadup race, with the Internationals taking over that race. Now it looks like a lead-up race to the Sandown Classic.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 2:54pm
If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2.Thumbs Down


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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2.Thumbs Down


I would go the other way T.

I am not usually behind the VRC with their bullying tactics for spring and their single mindedness for their own carnival, but add 2 million to this, and make it the wfa championship to rival the Cox Plate.

Winx has saved wfa middle distance racing in Australia the last few years, but when she departs our tracks, we will be left with a very ordinary lot of wfa horses.

Just on this race, are we thinking Shillelagh can run the 2000m?   

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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 4:53pm
Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2.Thumbs Down


I would go the other way T.

I am not usually behind the VRC with their bullying tactics for spring and their single mindedness for their own carnival, but add 2 million to this, and make it the wfa championship to rival the Cox Plate.

Winx has saved wfa middle distance racing in Australia the last few years, but when she departs our tracks, we will be left with a very ordinary lot of wfa horses.

Just on this race, are we thinking Shillelagh can run the 2000m?   


I think if the stakes were raised to those levels you will get more international entries who will come and make the race not winnable for Australian based horses.

Given that there is no open Breeder's Cup turf race for most NH horses will opt to try the Breeder's Cup Classic over the  1 1/4 mile distance on the dirt - but the stakes of that are US$6 million.

Really, the race was an *institutional* lead up to the Melbourne Cup and should of been left in its place.

Tomorrow's race will bring out usual threads on the list like "How far would of Winx won if she was in the race??"

Thanks4Coming



Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:04pm
To be honest Brudder, I could not care less about the owners or trainers or jockeys who complain that overseas horses will continue to come over and win our races.

If you want to support the racing industry, by buying speed bred horses, for a quick two year old return, there for, pushing the breeding industry towards a certain breeding model, then you deserve to not have a runner in the cup, or the derby or metrop or whatever the middle distance staying races are.

The last few Mackinnons have seen Tosen Stardom, Gailo Cho[p and Side Glance win. None of them were bred here, so it looks like NZ and Australian connections could not care any less about this race, and if that is the case then good luck to the overseas connections like Saeed and Charlie Appleby, etc.

I can also guarantee you that if this spring is any indication and we see more sprinter milers like Home Of The Brave, Jungle cat, Spirit Of Valour and others come down and start winning our sprints and mile races, then it will prove to our owners and breeders that they are doing a f#@king terrible job, when it comes to growing the quality of our racing stock.

But hey it has all been said before, and nothing has changed. Lets hope Fiorente and others can develop a good stallion record!

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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:06pm
Shillelagh is the interesting runner for me. Blair House is too short in the markets, if Shillelagh can get a nice sit and then have the last run at them she can figure. Not sure if the 2000m will dull her turn of foot. This is always a tricky race and an upset wouldn't surprise. 


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

To be honest Brudder, I could not care less....


No problems, Voyagers. Your post always give interesting insight and are worth reading...


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If it draws another field like this next year I would strip out 80% of the prizemoney and reduce it to G2.Thumbs Down


I would go the other way T.

I am not usually behind the VRC with their bullying tactics for spring and their single mindedness for their own carnival, but add 2 million to this, and make it the wfa championship to rival the Cox Plate.

Winx has saved wfa middle distance racing in Australia the last few years, but when she departs our tracks, we will be left with a very ordinary lot of wfa horses.

Just on this race, are we thinking Shillelagh can run the 2000m?   



There has been no quality and depth in numbers for years..

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:30pm
Extra Brut
Blair House
Latrobe
Octabella

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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

reductio ad absurdum

The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.



Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:30pm
In truth the race has been relative rubbish for many years with a field mainly comprising beaten Cox Plate runners or a final blow-out for Melbourne Cup contestants.

I presume (without actually knowing) that Blair House is running after his 2nd in the Caulfield Stakes because of a setback that kept him out of the Cox.  And Latrobe hasn't started since his run in the 2800m Irish St Leger so (without knowing once again) must have had a problem that precluded him running in the Cup or the Cox.  

Bottom line: without them the race would be relative rubbish yet again, just without the Melbourne Cup hopefuls having their final (Bart Cummings speciality) final hit out.






Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:35pm
Latrobe wasn't ready for the Cup.

Blair House was kept out of the Cox to run here as they thought it was more winnable.


Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by breeding_above_all breeding_above_all wrote:

This seems like a bit of a disastrous race to win for handicapping and La Trobe getting into the MC on a light weight... bizarre.. you would think Lloyd would be dodging the handicapper at every turn

La Trobe wouldn't win a MC.

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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:44pm
Hasn't there been talk the last few years that Euros should target this race for the prize money, rather than the Cups? Surprised that it's taken this long.

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:46pm
Thanks Speed and don't for a moment doubt what you've read, even if I agree re Latrobe and query the Blair House info.

In any event it hardly changes the scenario: without them the field is ordinary and will continue to remain so in the future imo.

Over to others.



Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:49pm
We'll have a new Cox Plate winner next season. I'll bet my middle testicle he backs up into this.

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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

reductio ad absurdum

The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.



Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:49pm
Yep. Appleby said they had little chance of beating Benbatl in the CP let alone Winx.  

$375K for third there V $1.2M win tomorrow, which he should do against that lot.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:53pm
Putting a lot of trust in Dazzling Darren here but I am going to assume Extra Brut has thrived since the Derby.

He is by far the best horse in the race.

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STRIKE WHILST THE IRON IS HOT

reductio ad absurdum

The richest man is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least.



Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:56pm
Lol. Are you not a disciple of the Au middle distance credo then?


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 5:58pm
Or the '3yo's are a mediocre lot' credo - with a couple of exceptions?


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:02pm
Was just thinking BH will probably start a shade of sauce tomorrow, better get on. Too late. $2.30 last night, evens now. Tote might be the only hope


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:03pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

We'll have a new Cox Plate winner next season. I'll bet my middle testicle he backs up into this.

You have a middle testicle?  Shocked

ps an old and to this day huge mate of mine only had one testicle, and that attracted rather than turned off prospective lady friends - after word got around.  He and his missus later had five children proving, as he'd later say, that one ball does it all.

Please don't thank me for sharing that with you all.  Smile


Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by Brudder_A Brudder_A wrote:

Originally posted by VOYAGER VOYAGER wrote:

To be honest Brudder, I could not care less....


No problems, Voyagers. Your post always give interesting insight and are worth reading...


It just makes me laugh when I hear trainers or owners or media types say we should cap internationals.

As was stated before the Cup this week, and again by Shrunk, in the Melbourne Cup thread, the field for this years cup would have been less than inspiring, if they had not shown up!

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Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:02pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Putting a lot of trust in Dazzling Darren here but I am going to assume Extra Brut has thrived since the Derby.

He is by far the best horse in the race.


I think if you like Extra Brute then Mickey is worth a couple of bucks eachway...have taken $41.00, not much damage done if he flops


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:07pm
The horses are less hardy these days. Need to race less often, longer space between runs. That's why we have more G1s.Geek Do the math. It all adds up.Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 7:41pm
BLAIR HOUSE to beat LATROBE/SHILLELAGH/DOUBT DEFYING for me.

Might have something the place on DOUBT DEFYING who is in best form.


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:07pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

   They are an ordinary lot .

The struggling leader =Trap For Fools might run a race EW


WOOO HOOO What a BEAUTY


Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:50pm
Got to give credit how he dug in.
Though 100m out that he would be run over but reckon we he saw them coming he found a reason not to let them pass him.

Tuff win !



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