Yucatan
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Topic: Yucatan
Posted By: Shawy38
Subject: Yucatan
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 4:55pm
| Caulfield Cup? |
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Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 4:58pm
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That horse should be re-handicapped as if he had won the race by 4 or 5 lengths. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 4:59pm
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McDonald should get in stride for pulling it up. But knowing Lloyd he probably will go straight to Flemington |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 5:00pm
| Strife - should get a fine. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 5:01pm
| Was just thinking that. Fair way down the order of so did McDonald err by easing up too much? Pretty sure they’d like to go straight into the Cup. |
Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 5:02pm
| Super impressive. How good are the other unseen euros though. They could be lengths better still. Euro staying form is spectacular based on what we are seeing. What would Enable or Poets Word do? |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 5:04pm
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Wow. What a horse. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 5:05pm
| They are certainly having a good time of it based on what we've seen. How on earth do they sometimes loose when you see a race like that. |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 5:59pm
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What penalty will he get for the Melbourne Cup? Surely he gets a penalty. I know he was pulled up with 100m to go but at one stage he was 4-5 lengths in front. At least a 2kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup? Has 52kg in both Cups..winner of Herbert Power cant get a penalty for Caulfield Cup as the Herbert Power is a penalty free race in terms of the Caulfield Cup but the Herbert Power winner can get a penalty for the Melbourne Cup at the discretion of the handicapper. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 6:17pm
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I've seen most of his career starts in Ireland & England & that run today was a massive improvement. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 7:08pm
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T J Comerford for O'Brien, gave him as their best for the day, saying how much he'd improved this week.
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 8:32pm
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Was one of the best Herbert Power wins that I have seen in a long time ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 11:05pm
No. He's way down in class.
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Grey Affair wrote:Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 11:50pm
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The remarkable thing is that Yucatan drew the most outside gate and was never better than 3 and 4 wide until McDonald took him to the front on the home turn The time of 2.26½ underlined the quality of the performance. My watch timed the 200 -100m in 5.66 and the 100m to the post in 6.60. He was on course record pace at the 100m before McDonald applied the brakes. I don't understand it. I really don't see anything in the horse's form that suggests he is capable of that performance.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 11:57pm
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Their training is so far superior it is mindboggling. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Heavy10
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 6:45am
| That easing down was dangerous, could have been disaster if second horse had smashed into back of him. McDonald is a lair |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 7:06am
| Form around Rekindling in the Ireland looks pretty good |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 8:08am
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The last horse to do the Herbert Power Stakes Meelbourne Cup double was Rogan Josh in 1999, he produced a rating of 113 according to Timeform. You'd think Yucatan is a major player for the Melbourne Cup (and Caulfield Cup if they run next week) based off that win and he would have a good rating after the Herbert Power win. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 10:15am
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 10:25am
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Surely we are smart enough as a general rule to be able to decipher which horse is which ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 10:30am
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There is a long list of horses coming from the shaky isles that have had to have My or Our added to them that suggests it is a real thing. ------------- |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 10:42am
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For the sake of continuity GELDINGS should be made to add the extra MY or OUR. Dundeel is a case in point. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 11:05am
| For the sake of logic.. the horse coming from overseas should change their name. Any other way makes literally no sense. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 11:18am
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Whatever his name ends up being, I hope he wins the Cup! ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 11:22am
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Huge trial yesterday .. Best lead up so far. Had Melb Cup written all over it .. YUCATAN |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 11:44am
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I hope he doesn’t win the cup, just for the fact that he isn’t owned by Williams. Can’t stand that family |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 11:44am
Stupid autocorrect  
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Posted By: Heavenly Glow
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 11:52am
I knew what you meant and I agree.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 2:16pm
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From Dominic Bernie on Twitter: IWS honour roll Herbert Power winners past 25 years: YUCATAN & ALCOPOP AMRALAH LEICA FALCON MASTER O’REILLY ROGAN JOSH RIZON First of all...IWS means Intelligent Wagerig Soloutuons and he runs this. Secondly..what is this lis in relation too...is it based on ratings? And where can I find these ratings for theselist of horses? Also as this list shows...if a Herbert Power winner is to do well in the Cups then they need to rate highly after winnin the Herbert Power...you need to be a good Herbert Power winner..not an average one. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 3:18pm
To clarify Dominic Bernie said: ' It’s the rank order of the best Herbert Power Handicaps, by rating of the race......not simply the rating of the winners" ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 9:28am
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Greg Carpenter will announce a penalty or no penalty today, in my opinion he will get between 2kg and 2.5kg penalty for the Melbourne Cup - currently he has 52kg. He cant get a penalty for the Caulfield Cup as the Herbert Power is a penalty free race so his weight for the Caulfield Cup is 52kg, and reading today there is a good chance he will back up and run in the Caulfield Cup and apparently Michael Walker has been asked to ride Yucutan. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Heavenly Glow
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 11:28am
On his last start they'd be silly not to back it up. To the naked eye it looks like it will take a power of beating as well. I hope they don't back it up though, but according to media reports it is all but confirmed. Lloyd said it was an 80% chance of running. Has came in from 6 to 4.50 with the tab in the past couple of hours.
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Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 11:53am
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Mmmm... that's the Kingmambo/Miesque family. Still has the crown jewels too... ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 12:14pm
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Just been announced: 2.5kg penalty for Yucatan for his Herbert Power win. Will now carry 54.5kg in the Melbourne Cup ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 12:37pm
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According to my records its the biggest penalty given to a Herbert Power winner since prior to 1980 ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 3:37pm
| And so it should be. I would have given him 3kg. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 3:45pm
| Rules have been changed, if he wins the CC on Sat he can now be given a penalty into the MC |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 4:04pm
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Great dare shot at the Caufleid Cup as he cant be penalised there from the Herbert Power. He has therefore beaten the handicapper and 7 days off that performance...gee, he's going to zoom past them I think. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 5:38pm
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Yucatan is 24th in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup...he should get a run based on the attrition rate but to be sure then yes he may need to win again to try and get another penalty. I reckon if McDonald didnt ease up in the last 100m and won by 5-6 lengths then the penalty would of been 3kg and would if taken him higher in the Melbourne Cup order of entry. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 5:59pm
Greg Carpenter said this afternoon that the VRC changed the conditions meaning that if he wins Caulfield Cup then he CAN get another rehandicap for Flemington |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:00pm
Melb Cup has 24 runners. He is 24th in entry so therefore if my maths is correct he is guaranteed a run |
Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:04pm
Other races with penalties to come? |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:22pm
Yes - Lexus Stakes, Moonee Valley Cup, Geelong Cup ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Softy
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:26pm
| Thanks Jamal, I knew Geelong Cup was bit wasn’t sure of others👍 |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:26pm
| If Lloyd is true to form, Yucatan will accept for the Caulfield Cup but then be scratched on Saturday morning to be saved for the Melb Cup. |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:37pm
| You'd never get a 52kg runner in the Caulfield Cup with a better lead up run. Cannot see him not running. Take the Caulfield Cup and worry about any penalty afterwards... |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:54pm
Boom Time won the Caulfield Cup with 52kg and finished 4th in the Herbert Power after being on the pace..ot was a brutal pace..they went quick. Vutucan was very very impressive in his Herbert Power win and hopefully he backs up and runs in the Caulield Cup. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 6:57pm
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Not running the Caulfield cup ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Cupper
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:03pm
| Based on a hunch or fact? |
Posted By: Prince Harada
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:06pm
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Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:06pm
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Andrew Bensley reporting on twitter Lloyd Williams saying he’s out and requires more time after running on the firm surface... I think they just want to keep the handicap low and with emotionless out of the cup he’s 23rd in line so a good chance but who knows.. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:12pm
| Lloyd Williams has sent an SMS to a select bunch of racing journos, saying track at caulfield was too hard. Won’t be taking him back there on sat |
Posted By: Cupper
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:12pm
| As a kings will dream backer I'm happy with that news |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:15pm
| Pretty gelati of them, asking Walker to get down to 52kgs to then not run. Better they tell him now than later, though. |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:20pm
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https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-15/news-yucatan-out-of-caulfield-cup" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-15/news-yucatan-out-of-caulfield-cup ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:28pm
| Wow!!! Thought he had the Cup at his beck and call based on that performance the other day. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:42pm
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Fair dinkum ? I just put him in a parley woth The Derby and Cup. Bugga ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 7:52pm
| The Melbourne Cup is what Lloyd wants. Even if it means missing out on the CC. |
Posted By: Cupper
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 8:00pm
| Until today I was thinking he would be saved for the Melbourne cup, then finally I was convinced he was running in CC so placed a bit of a "saver" bet on him...... Probably the quickest loss I've ever had!! |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 8:13pm
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Read this article...it mentiones Suilaman who won the Herbert Power by 12 lengths in 1975: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/yucatan-gets-2-5kg-melbourne-cup-penalty-after-dominant-power-display-20181015-p509qs.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.smh.com.au/sport/racing/yucatan-gets-2-5kg-melbourne-cup-penalty-after-dominant-power-display-20181015-p509qs.html ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Heavenly Glow
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 8:13pm
So did I, and so did many of my mates. I even said this morning to some I'd wait until after barrier draws. But no, too impatient. Happier its out though. It was a legit threat to others I got running for more. You're probably in the same boat I assume.
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Posted By: Cupper
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 8:41pm
| Basically exactly the same thing here. I'm only on KWD but Yucatan was the only one that's really jumped out as a good chance beating it. Obviously lots of others are a chance but I can't pin point any others to have a saver on. |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 8:41pm
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Hasn't Lloyd got half of The Cliffs of Moher? No reason he can not win both cups now, as I had Cliffs in front of him anyway. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 10:39pm
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Are there provisions for late entries into the Cox Plate ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: StormSiren
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 8:16am
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Yes.... for a fee.. Fee $200,000
Any horse which has not previously been nominated or for which nomination or acceptance has
lapsed, may be entered before 12 Noon on Monday, 22 October, 2018. ------------- Lost in the magical world of racing. Storm Siren, Sirens Star, Elpis & Wait For It. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 12:02pm
Williams says all in punters are stupid. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 12:44pm
| If you're backing a Williams horse in the CC when it's a favourite for the MC, then I agree with him. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 1:12pm
Punters obviously can not trust the media spokesman for the nations biggest bookie -  ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 3:41pm
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I'm so sick of Lloyd Williams crap. He's done significant damage to the Caulfield Cup and Cox Plate. Bigger lollipop than his son.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 4:05pm
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Hasnt Yucatan done some damage and been scratched ? Or have I mixed it up and got the wrong horse ? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 4:06pm
That is shocking news. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 4:07pm
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No damage AA just Lloyd scratching him after telling everyone a few hours earlier that he was running |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 4:08pm
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Ohhh, OK. Thought I heard them say something about a leg. Derrrrrr  Thanks. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 4:57pm
That was one of the Godolphin runners. They have had three with leg injuries since arriving here 2 weeks ago. 1 had to be put to sleep. |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 6:37pm
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Similar parallels to AMRALAH. Bolts the Herbert Power in, tells everyone its spot on for the Caulfield Cup, and then scratches. That plan fell apart when the pain killers they were filling Amralah up with didn't wear off before the Melbourne Cup and he was scratched on the Saturday before. Didn't tell anyone before hand, and lost an Adelaide win as a result, as he tested positive in that as well...
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Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 7:31pm
Lloyd probable means they are stupid compared to him. 😂 ------------- Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 8:37pm
Which one, Shawy ?? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 10:28pm
Hamada was put down |
Posted By: Lordy
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2018 at 10:40pm
| If people wait till final field before having a bet they wouldn’t have any issue. |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 7:38am
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I can see the value of backing Yucatan at $67 in CC early and hoping for the best but what was the point of backing him at $4.50 after his Hotham win but before CC acceptances? What's that about? I don't get it. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2018 at 6:36pm
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That win was something else but they rarely if ever back it up the next week... Punters generally get left scratching their heads saying "WTF was that?" |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 10:05pm
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For those interested. Yucutan was rated 123 by Timeform for the Herbert Powwr win. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 10:39pm
Is it correct that prior to the race, Yucatan was rated 114 by Timeform? |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 11:46pm
Yes that is correct. Before Herbert Power win: 114 (Timeform) After Herbert Power win: 123 (Timeform) ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 12:34pm
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Does anyone think there was anything in the Caulfield Cup that will trouble him? I didn't see it. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 12:36pm
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I'm convinced Yucatan would have been a moral in the Caulfield Cup if he backed up well enough to hold his form. Lloyd has really done alot of damage to the Caulfield Cup by bypassing it with the likely winner on multiple occasions. What was the point of making it a 5 million dollar race? pointless.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2018 at 12:37pm
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The 2 miles will trouble him. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 3:13am
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He could have nearly jogged another 800m the other day and still won. Hard to see two miles stopping him after that win. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 9:27am
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For those interested....Timeform gave Yucutan a rating of 123 for the Herbert Power win. Its the highest rating for a Herbert Power winner in years and years and as i said last week - the best Herbert Power win I have seen in years. To put things in perspective...the last horse to do the Herbert Power/Melbourne Cup double was WA's Rogan Josh and he rated 113 for his Herbert Power win in 1999. Based on that and based on Yucutan-s Herbert Power win...you would have to say that Yucutan is a big chance in the Melbourne Cup. Only question is if he can run the 3200m which in Rogan Josh's case - he had already seen the 3200m prior..in the Perth Cup on New Year's Day in 1999. ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: saintly96
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 9:40am
| Looked too good to be true. If he reproduces that in the MC, good luck beating him. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 7:54pm
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So his new name is YUCATAN IRE ? Definition of ire is anger, fury wrath. Surely they could have come up with a better prefix or suffix. And not sure why they didn’t change it before the Herbert Power. Anyways, I think something like Lord Yucatan, Prince Yucatan or Mr Yucatan would have been better. |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2018 at 10:39pm
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Read this article...racing australia are stupid https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-22/news-a-name-change-now-a-sex-change" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-22/news-a-name-change-now-a-sex-change ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: diggo
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 3:09am
As impressive as his win was, the 2.5kg penalty will really bring him back to the field. That's his 5 lengths off him, eating up most of his improvement last run |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 6:33am
Maybe from a pen and paper point of view but it doesn’t always work that way |
Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 7:56am
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1kgs does not equal 2.5 lengths! If so no jokey would ever be granted permission to ride overweight and the top weight in some handicaps would be giving away a 25 length start.
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Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 7:58am
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Or even 2kgs |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 3:35pm
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They say 1kg at 3200m is approx 2 lengths..apparently ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 12:15pm
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I aaw on social media that The name has been changed back to Yucatan ------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 2:17pm
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Not sure what was so hard here Jamal. The register has several prefixes, for his situation and yet no one realised that this would be an issue. Our Yucatan, or My Yucatan, or The Yucatan, are pretty simple changes which should have been made before he got on the plane. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me. And after being seen in the latest acceptances as Sound, we now have Mike Moroney's galloper back using Sound Check. What shemozzle! ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 3:49pm
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If id does not win the Melbourne Cup some punters will rename it by removing the last 2 syllables ------------- If your hands aren't shaking you haven't put enough on. |