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Topic: Utzon (NZ)
Posted By: Dizzy
Subject: Utzon (NZ)
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 5:10pm
White filly. Trialled nicely this morning at Cranbourne.
https://www.racing.com/form/2018-10-08/cranbourne-trn-trial/race/7/result" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/form/2018-10-08/cranbourne-trn-trial/race/7/result



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Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 5:40pm
Nicely named.  By Charmed Spirit from The Opera House.

Lucky the trial wasn't in Sydney.  Someone would have put a logo on her.



Jørn Utzon with a model of his late 1950s design for the Sydney Opera House.


Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 5:47pm


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 1:44pm
http://www.racing.com/videos/2018-10-08/utzon-catches-the-eye-at-cranbourne" rel="nofollow - www.racing.com/videos/2018-10-08/utzon-catches-the-eye-at-cranbourne


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 4:35am
I grew up watching a group horse trained by Les Bridge with the same name. How is this allowed to be used again only 15 years later ?

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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 7:35am
Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

I grew up watching a group horse trained by Les Bridge with the same name. How is this allowed to be used again only 15 years later ?


Names can be used again 17 years after the birth of the previous horse.


Posted By: Grey Affair
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 6:07pm
The gelding by Nothin' Leica Dane was registered in Australia & the filly by Charm Spirit was registered in New Zealand.



Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 6:40pm
Didn't see this thread till now.

I have this horse marked in my blackbook and it'll only get better over further.
Very keen to have crack each way Saturday anyway but definitely one to follow.


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Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 8:38pm
Out of a 3/4 sister to Might and Power - you bet she'll get over further.  



Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 11:34pm
Originally posted by Tontonan Tontonan wrote:

Out of a 3/4 sister to Might and Power - you bet she'll get over further.  


Won over 2100m @Wyong, good track, only had a few starts

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Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 12:17am

This is Yukichan (2005) the best white thoroughbred to date.  She was a multiple stakes winner in Japan and as far as I know the only white stakes winner in the history of the breed. 

 Like Utzon she was the daughter of a white mare :  Shirayukihime (who was by Sunday Silence).  While Yukichan (and Utzon) inherited their colour from their dams. Shirayukihime and The Opera House did not.  Their colour is a genetic mutation rather than a genetic inheritance.

They aren't greys of any description and they aren't albinos.  They are dominant whites.

Not all Dominant White horses are pure white.  Yukichan's half sister Buchiko is a good example.




Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 12:30am

This is Yukichan (2005) the best white thoroughbred to date.  She was a multiple stakes winner in Japan and as far as I know the only white stakes winner in the history of the breed. 

 Like Utzon she was the daughter of a white mare :  Shirayukihime (who was by Sunday Silence).  While Yukichan (and Utzon) inherited their colour from their dams. Shirayukihime and The Opera House did not.  Their colour is a genetic mutation rather than a genetic inheritance.

They aren't greys of any description and they aren't albinos.  They are dominant whites.

Not all Dominant White horses are pure white.  Yukichan's half sister Buchiko is a good example.


Buchiko won 4 races and was has headed for stakes success before she was retired after a barrier incident.


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 12:33am


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 12:37am
Check out Utzon on  Breednet

http://www.breednet.com.au/news/5437/The-Good-News-Opera-House-Story-This-Weekend-at-Caulfield" rel="nofollow - http://www.breednet.com.au/news/5437/The-Good-News-Opera-House-Story-This-Weekend-at-Caulfield




Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 10:44am
While I have had coloured genes/horses explained to me, and tried to read and digest it all, it never sinks in. 
But its very interesting how it all works and what makes them that way.
Some of the coloured TBs that Peta has or breeds at Winning Colours Farm are spectacular.  But just to me they never seem to be race horses.  They seem too pretty.
There was a white TB stallion out at Baradine about 22/23 or so years ago now, but blowed if I can think of his name.


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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 10:49am
Hope she wins although I'm following Champagne Boom from the sales.  Had a bit of luck with her female line before.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 11:05am
I reckon Martello Towers must have been close to an albino, his nickname in the stable was Pinky, at the track of a morning you would see him walk out of the hosing dock and the pigment in the skin was very obvious , he was a bit of a character and always caught the eye.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 11:10am
Was he the one that almost died in the floods of the Hawkesbury Carioca.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 11:26am
Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Was he the one that almost died in the floods of the Hawkesbury Carioca.<div id="UMS_TOOLTIP" style=": ; cursor: pointer; : 2147483647; : transparent; top: -100000px; left: -100000px;">

Yes he was furious, a photo of this shivering grey on a little bit of high ground I will never forget, he went to TJ after being with Peter Lawson all his earlier life ( he trained Evening Peal 56 MC winner) I think the flood done damage to his air intake swimming to get away and probably panicking never the same after that , I think he won the AJC Derby too.


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 11:50am
I seem to recall that he was very badly stripped in the Victoria Derby and he never fully recaptured his best form after that.



He is clearly a grey*.   He wasn't albino.  

That is the point about Dominant Whites.  They aren't albinos either, and nor are they grey.  There is nothing lacking in white horses.  As I said it is a genetic mutation - not an inheritance - in the first instance (i.e. The Opera House) that can subsequently be inherited from the horse with the original mutation.  There are virtually no greys in Utzon's pedigree.

(* greys are often born with a majority of coloured hairs which lose their pigment over time.  Gunsynd for example was quite dark as a juvenile and lightened through his racing career.  By the end of his life he was 'virtually' white.)


Gunsynd at stud.

Another good example is Surround.  He she was as a filly...


and he she was as broodmare later in life...




Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 11:56am
2 of my favourites tontonan. Thanks for the pics


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 12:28pm
Yes, thanks both Cari and Toto,  very interesting stories and photos.
Where did Martello Towers end up, OTT ??


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Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 1:21pm
As  a sire in WA.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 2:31pm
From memory Tontonan he went mad in the gates whacked his head ( he was a bit iffy at the best of times) he had won the two guinea races and the Derby and I think he was favourite in the VRC Derby , Sky High won the Derby that day.


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 5:15pm
Close....but no cigar.  Sky High was the following year.  in 1959 the Victoria Derby was won by Travel Boy, Martello Towers was last of 7 as 10/9fav. Curiously the best horse to come out of the race was Dhaulagiiri - and he finished 2nd last.

I'll need to to do some research on why Martello blew it.  


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 5:23pm
We are both wrong if Jack Pollard is right.

He claims that Martello Towers lashed out in the barriers jsut before they jumped and badly stripped his back legs, returning to scale with blood pouring from his wounds.  Pollard also confirms that laranyx issues affected the horse after he won the George Main Stakes in record time as his form fell away.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 5:27pm
That could of been after his escape from the floods.


Posted By: Tontonan
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 5:32pm
Max Presnell wrote :

" Back in November 1961, the Nepean River broke its banks, washing thoroughbreds, spelling in nearby paddocks, around the countryside. AJC Derby winner Martello Towers, a grey, was washed away.  The staying power of Martello Towers also wasn't limited to the Randwick mile and a half and he finally made high ground after being missing for 10 hours. "

In all he had 37 starts for 11 wins 8 seconds 4 thirds and $44,806


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by Tontonan Tontonan wrote:

We are both wrong if Jack Pollard is right.

He claims that Martello Towers lashed out in the barriers jsut before they jumped and badly stripped his back legs, returning to scale with blood pouring from his wounds.  Pollard also confirms that laranyx issues affected the horse after he won the George Main Stakes in record time as his form fell away.

Yes that's more like Tontonan exactly what happened , I knew he went off in the gates, I remember this horse from his very first start at Canterbury he was rather "warm" next start at Randwick huge plonk I think a big bookie was involved and one as he liked , watched at the track many times , enjoy your posts mate always great to converse fwiw.


Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 6:07pm
* Won...think I'm losing it.


Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 9:38am
Chautauqua is another classic example, he didn’t start out with those big black dapples on a white background. All greys eventually white out, how long it takes depends on how dark their coat is to begin with. Greys can be born as black, brown or any solid colour foal. The first sign that it’s going to be a grey is a white ring of hairs around their eye. [

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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 9:56am
Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I reckon Martello Towers must have been close to an albino, his nickname in the stable was Pinky, at the track of a morning you would see him walk out of the hosing dock and the pigment in the skin was very obvious , he was a bit of a character and always caught the eye.

Martello Towers had a pink nose hence the stable name Pinky.
In the stable alongside him was another grey with the stable name Bluey.

I'd walk past them every day going to and coming home from school. And even got to sit on both, with them wearing their rugs. The only way of telling them apart was their noses. At least that is how it looked to me but I was only a kid then.


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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 11:21am
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I reckon Martello Towers must have been close to an albino, his nickname in the stable was Pinky, at the track of a morning you would see him walk out of the hosing dock and the pigment in the skin was very obvious , he was a bit of a character and always caught the eye.


Martello Towers had a pink nose hence the stable name Pinky.
In the stable alongside him was another grey with the stable name Bluey.

I'd walk past them every day going to and coming home from school. And even got to sit on both, with them wearing their rugs. The only way of telling them apart was their noses. At least that is how it looked to me but I was only a kid then.

Good memories there Scamanda, was he with ED Lawson ( Peter) then or had he left to go to TJ?


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 11:53am
He wasn't with T.J.Smith then Carioca. I remember the stable doors faced the gate and we could see both horses from the gates. I don't remember the street name but it seemed very small, almost like a laneway.

Long time ago mate. Faded memory doesn't help.


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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

I reckon Martello Towers must have been close to an albino, his nickname in the stable was Pinky, at the track of a morning you would see him walk out of the hosing dock and the pigment in the skin was very obvious , he was a bit of a character and always caught the eye.


Martello Towers had a pink nose hence the stable name Pinky.
In the stable alongside him was another grey with the stable name Bluey.

I'd walk past them every day going to and coming home from school. And even got to sit on both, with them wearing their rugs. The only way of telling them apart was their noses. At least that is how it looked to me but I was only a kid then.

Good memories there Scamanda, was he with ED Lawson ( Peter) then or had he left to go to TJ?

Silly question by me, of course it would be TJ ( school)


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:14pm
Lucky not to fall


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:19pm
Another example of a stamina pedigree showing speed and so they run her in speed races. 

She might be speedy but it is clearly not the cheap and nasty short course speed. 

Put her away for the Autumn 1600m contests. 


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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:20pm
The winner cam out and gave then all a bit of heave ho Shawy. Mockery didn't help.
Williams will get a holiday for that.


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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:24pm
Very messy in the straight. Stewards will be busy


Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:29pm
Craig Williams is getting a holiday

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Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:31pm
It’s action looked horrible on the way to the gates.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

It’s action looked horrible on the way to the gates.

Does her whiteness make her action look strange ?

When I watched the trial I thought her action looked weird strange.  


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Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by anabel anabel wrote:

It’s action looked horrible on the way to the gates.


Does her whiteness make her action look strange ?

When I watched the trial I thought her action looked weird strange.  


Maybe. Sometimes the really light horses do look a bit odd. But she had her head in an awkward spot, was reaching for the ground and action behind looked off too.



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