Jimmy Creed
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Topic: Jimmy Creed
Posted By: Dunno
Subject: Jimmy Creed
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 7:04pm
| Will this stallion make it ? His current American figures are over 7.5% stakes winners to runners. Only half a dozen named unraced 2yr olds in Australia. Is he value or fools gold? |
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 7:34pm
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He can make it here, but hampered by that small first crop. His sire could have been a huge success here, but did more than enough beforereturning to the USA after just two seasons here with 6 stakes-winners from less than 120 live foals.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 7:48pm
The pedigree is too American for me. I have never liked US dominated pedigrees.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 8:01pm
| Mr Prospector twice, same with Northern Dancer, Danzig, Distorted Humor himself. Nah, that could never work down under. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 8:06pm
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Yes there is plenty of that but it is the wrong type of that. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 9:27pm
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 9:36pm
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Interestingly enough he has an Aussie as part of his pedigree , Royal Gem who by the looks was a superstar Winning the equivalent of 9 group 1s by today's standard. He also has a double of Traffic Judge who is the sire of Best in Show (incredibly successful here) , also carries an X chromosome of Northern Dancer ,a double of Tom Rolfe who sits in Street Cry's pedigree also Hussonet's pedigree both very successful here. I wouldn't write him off. |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 11:07pm
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He is hot in US. Also upgrades mares . Has a 2YO nommed for Flem on Saturday Jimmy is a very smart looking ,eye catching animal in the flesh
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Posted By: bph2510
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 9:19am
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My mate owns a share in the horse racing Saturday. I got offered a share and turned it down as I have my hands full. Word from stable is I am going to regret this for quite a while ------------- Horse owner, breeder, punter. |
Posted By: bph2510
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 9:21am
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My mate owns a share in the horse racing Saturday. I got offered a share and turned it down as I have my hands full. Word from stable is I am going to regret this for quite a while ------------- Horse owner, breeder, punter. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 10:48am
| Don't know much about the sire but I've always liked Forty Niner (13c over 1n) pedigree from the family of Dignitas who also did well in Australia. |
Posted By: Dunno
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 12:52pm
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He has the highest AEI from the lowest CI broodmares in 2nd season sires in America. If that means anything. |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 4:24pm
| Means a lot. They are the stallions who rise thru sires ranks: despite the low initial service fee; despite not having platitudinous & voluminous BS advertising: & despite the lowly book of mares they start with |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 4:40pm
| Has one called Knock Knock nominated in Melb and Adelaide this weekend |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 1:14pm
| Knock Knock paid up for Adelaide |
Posted By: bph2510
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 6:17pm
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Got shin sore. Will be scratched ------------- Horse owner, breeder, punter. |
Posted By: Dunno
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2018 at 8:08pm
Spendthrift Farm Announces 2019 Stud Fees, Led By Into Mischief At $150,000 https://as2.paulickreport.com/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=7365__zoneid=166__cb=5fbecda697__oadest=http%3A%2F%2Fshadwellfarm.com%2Fstallions%2Falbertus-maximus%2F" rel="nofollow - http://www.spendthriftfarm.com/horses/jimmy-creed.html" rel="nofollow - Jimmy Creed , currently North America's number-two second-crop sire, will also see his stud fee move to $20,000 S&N for 2019 after siring 11 black type horses and five black type winners, led by Grade 2-winning 3-year-old colt Kanthaka. |
Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 2:39am
| Anyone have one of his? Any updates? I’m not sure if I’ve seen any racing here yet. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 12:23pm
| Only one runner to date - Statement of Faith ran 4th of five starters at Morphettville on 22/12. |
Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2019 at 7:44pm
| Thanks Red Hare. |
Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 7:18pm
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I bought into a Jimmy Creed / Ramsey's Bet colt. Ramsey's Bet was un-raced however comes from a successful family - full sister to Booby's Kitten (C) and Camelot Kitten (C), who are both considered to be some of Kitten's Joy top performers. Interestingly Ramsey's Bet youngest full sister (2017) recently sold in the UK for just under (GBP) $1M.......so hopefully some of the pedigree washes off on our young colt. They appear to get over ground on both the Dam and Sire's side - up to 2,400m (Turf) and our bloke is certainly barrel chested and appears to be built for much the same. Time will tell as they say and many many hurdles to jump before he even reaches the track. Hopefully a Jimmy Creed runner hits an Australian track soon.
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Posted By: Venus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 12:12am
Won today at Swan Hill, first Aus winner for Jimmy Creed I think. I bought one as a weanling- he’s a yearling now and is very small. Great mover and amazing temperament though. I’m just going to leave him to grow (hopefully) before doing much with him. I’m guessing they are all later types based on his lack of 2yo runners but haven’t seen many in the flesh. |
Red Hare wrote:Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 11:10am
| Best of luck Venus. He only had 16 surviving first crop foalsand has had just the two starters for that winner yesterday. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2019 at 11:43am
| It's hard to compete when your numbers are so far down on the first season stallions with crops of over 100. |
Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 11:57am
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He also had a runner in Singapore (Magnum Force) a few weeks back which won it's 6th race......60/1 odds and actually won the mile race quite convincingly. Agree they seem to be late bloomers and need a bit of ground. Our colt is just being broken-in.........thankfully showing signs of having a good temperament also.
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Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 1:19pm
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Statement of Faith running again this weekend at Morphettville.......a tougher grade so interesting to see how the Filly has progressed from her first-up run. Noticed that Knock Knock was nominated for a mdn at Donald but wasn't/didn't accept......so obviously back in training.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2019 at 2:06pm
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any updates on runners or the youngsters owned by members here ? thoughts on a Bernadini mare to him ?? ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2019 at 8:50am
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There have only been a few runners so far in OZ. Knock Knock and Statement of Faith have shown the most promise so far - both breaking their maiden status. Knock Knock ran 2nd to a smart type - Peidra - who ran in a couple of Grp 3 races ....... without success though. Our Colt is progressing well and should have his first jump out in the next month. Good temperament however we are taking our time with him. I suspect you will see the best of them at 3yrs and over a bit of distance. Magnum Force is another gelding that runs regularly in Singapore. . |
Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2019 at 9:50pm
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The most promising Jimmy Creed colt running in the US is probably - King Jack. He has only had the 3 runs and won at Group 2 level. Ran 2nd to Improbable who ran 2nd favourite in a couple of the triple crown races including the Kentucky Derby. King Jack has a Seattle Slew - A.P.Indy - line also...... |
Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2019 at 7:37pm
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Our Colt has been named - Expectant. Has had a couple of jump outs over 300m and 600m. Was lost on the 1st jump out at 300m however ran confidently on the 2nd occasion over 600m - leading the field over the line. Jockey pleased with the feel. Progressing well - unsure if will progress to a trial this time in as he needs to develop a little more - so returning to the paddock may be next stop instead.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 11:30am
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Sounds promising.. Both of his runners in Australia have so far shown promise - just not a bumper crop of early runners.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 4:43pm
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Patience is a virtue, and double so in the horse world 😁 ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 4:56pm
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Spendthrift messed up hugely when they first arrived, with stallions arriving late and appalling marketing. That's no way to market their emerging presence.So much so that here's their covers in 2015: Jimmy Creed: 22 Can The Man: 11 Warrior's Reward: 24 Hampton Court: 22 So Jimmy has only 16 live foals from his first season to vanguard him in Oz.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2019 at 7:33pm
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No trouble seeing why Can The Man got sacked (typically, I quite liked him - so long as the price was right). I am glad that they were able to persevere with the others.
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Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 12:59pm
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Well our Jimmy Creed colt (Expectant) has returned to training and had a hit out over 600m yesterday (Mornington). Pleasingly he won, showed good speed out of the barriers, picking up the bridal well however the trainer said he is still immature and in the middle section ran like a “zebra being chased by lions”. I suspect he will stay a colt this prep however it is looking likely that he will be gelded after he fills out a little more. In summary - He is showing ability but still a bit skittish. He may have an official trial in a couple of weeks - so hopefully he continues to progress. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 1:21pm
| Best of luck Zacho. Will keep an eye on him. |
Posted By: Petiterhapsody
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2020 at 4:18pm
| I'll give the Spendthrift boys credit, they at least support you at the sales and bring clients around to look at horse. A few other studs I know could take a leaf out of their book and not just take your money. |
Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2020 at 10:16pm
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Thanks Second Chance. Looks like he will run at Cranbourne trials this Tuesday, which will be a good test to see how well he is progressing.
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Posted By: Venus
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 12:20am
| I wonder what’s going on with Knock Knock - was accepted to resume a few weeks ago, scratched, haven’t seen him since. |
Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 10:35pm
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I saw that also - he has been the most promising Jimmy Creed colt so interested to see how he progresses as a 3yr old. Our colt ran in an official trial today - Cranbourne: Trial 8. http://https://www.racing.com/form/2020-03-03/cranbourne-trn-trial/heat/8/results" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.racing.com/form/2020-03-03/cranbourne-trn-trial/heat/8/results Shane was very pleased with his run. Laid in a little at the turn as a horse came around his outside - however all part of the learning. Stockdale rode him and besides immediately asking to be retained said he needed at least 1100 - 1200 allowing him time to settle into the race. Another encouraging step - hopefully he pulls up well and he can be aimed at his first start in the next week or so.
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Posted By: zacho72
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 11:48pm
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Well, his first run did not go to plan! In total, the colt has jumped out, trialed or raced about 7 times and he has put in 5 very good and 2 very poor runs. The 2 poor runs, and unfortunately one was at his first start, were as a result of the same issue - the colt hates being brought up into the straight/race by the outside horse.......he darts to the rail, loses momentum and drops the field. He is prime candidate to be gelded however he still has some filling out to do (typical of the Jimmy Creed line) so he will remain entire until after his next spell. He runs again on Sunday with blinkers/tongue tie - his track work suggests the gear will certainly help. So here's hoping that some of his potential is shown on the Course this Sunday.....
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