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Topic: Brumby ThreadPosted By: Isaac soloman
Subject: Brumby Thread
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 11:23am
Learning how to tame Australia's 'wild, crazy, untrusting' desert brumbies
By national rural and regional reporter http://www.abc.net.au/news/leonie-mellor/7038164" rel="nofollow - Leonie Mellor , photography by http://www.abc.net.au/news/matthew-abbott/10004732" rel="nofollow - Matthew Abbott
Professor Chris Pollitt has been coming to the outback to study them for more than a decade. He is the David Attenborough of brumbies.
"To fly over this country in helicopters and see individual bands of horses moving across the county is an experience for me that takes me back to the evolution of the horse, the way it was millions of years ago," he said.
From up here, the athleticism of the horses is evident, but it's their ability to survive that really fascinates Professor Pollitt — their endurance and ability to cope with extremes in temperature, in an often harsh environment.
As Professor of Equine Medicine at the University of Queensland, he spearheaded the Australian Brumby Research Unit.
But what is certain, is that their numbers are growing and it's causing problems.
"The conundrum is we love the horse, we love to see it in its wild state, its fully evolved state, thriving in its natural environment we love to see that," he said.
But we know this is Australia and it's not their natural environment, so we have to make some compromises.
Down at a waterhole surrounded by desert oaks and eucalypts, Professor Pollitt waits behind green hessian cloth strung between two trees.
Soon, hooves can be heard.
"Everybody thinks of a herd of horses, but that doesn't exist," he said.
"Horses only live in bands.
"Once the band is established all the mares are loyal to that stallion and that stallion is loyal to all of the mares. It's a really special thing to see."
'Life hangs but for a thread'
They call him "The Prof" — mild mannered and softly spoken under his broad brimmed hat.
But when he sees brumbies he becomes energised, passionate to share his knowledge.
So he started brumby week — a chance for horse-loving adventurers to see the wild horses in their equally untamed environment.
They come from all over the country — and from as far away as the United Kingdom and Germany — to join "The Prof" on the week-long adventure.
In the stockyards of Kings Creek Station — a working cattle and camel property about 300 kilometres south-west of Alice Springs — tourists are taught how to break the wild animals in.
For some, like Penny Richards from Orange in NSW, it's been a life-long dream — and now she is taking one of the wild horses back home.
It's a really emotional thing to see a horse turn from this wild, crazy, untrusting animal to something that just gives to you," she said.
"I think after the second day of working with her I couldn't think of ever re-releasing her.
"I couldn't think of her ever having to go back to being hungry and being thirsty and having to have foal, after foal, after foal and stallions fighting over her."
Among the group are Brisbane psychiatrist Jennifer Gunn and her sister Helen Bowie, from Cairns.
Jennifer has been riding horses for years, Helen is along for the laughs and to learn.
"This is really important," Jennifer, the older sister, said. "This is our time."
The sisters made a pact to take a holiday together once a year — a promise made more important after Jennifer was diagnosed with lymphoma 12 months ago.
She is now cancer-free, and, after this week, has ticked another experience off her bucket list.
"Life hangs but for a thread," Jennifer said. "It is important to have that realisation. Not to be scared of it but to live it, and that's what we're going to do."
'They trample the ground, cause erosion'
Inside the stockyards at Kings Creek, renowned horse trainer Brian Hampson has captured a handful of young horses from the thousands that roam nearby plains.
He lets one through to the round yard. It's frisky and frightened.
With a flag attached to the end of a stick, Dr Hampson talks through how he's communicating with the horse, to break it in.
"I love having brumbies out here. I wouldn't like to come out to the desert environment and not see horses. But there's just too many of them," he said.
"They trample the ground, cause erosion.
They eat every bit of grass in that valley by the end of the long winter time (it) just changes the ecology of the valley forever.
Wildlife ecologist David Berman completed his PhD in the area30 years ago and has seen how it's changed.
The land around waterholes is bare, native pastures eaten out across the plains.
"There are no predators that will help keep the numbers down. So just about every population of horses in Australia will be gradually increasing at somewhere between 7 and 20 per cent per year," Dr Berman said.
Three years ago, about 8,000 brumbies were culled from a nearby property.
Culling is a controversial but effective method of keeping numbers down.
A recent plan by the NSW Government to cull the animals in the Kosciuszko National Park, which it backflipped on in May after a public outcry, just highlights the emotional debate around the animals.
Rehoming, as is done on Kings Creek, is one small way of reducing numbers. Another option is setting up dedicated reserves, and there's also sterilisation.
But that's seen as impractical because of the vast area the brumbies inhabit.
Culling's not the only answer," Dr Berman said. "You need all these options and you need to judge which options to use in the different situations."
Ian Conway, the owner and manager of Kings Creek Station, said many Aboriginal people in the area were opposed to culling — they see it as horses being destroyed for no reason.
"When the cull was on they really didn't want them shot, and they discovered horses dead everywhere and they were very upset about it," he said.
"I actually travelled with some old Indigenous fellas in this area like the traditional owners of this region and they see any animal alive like that as should be left alive."
Mr Conway said he would rather see the feral horses shipped to slaughterhouses for meat as an enterprise for Indigenous people rather than shot and left to waste.
Despite dedicating much of his life to studying the wild animals, for "The Prof" there are no easy answers.
"The dilemma is if you do nothing," he said.
"If you let the animals breed up and then severe droughts come as they must in this central Australian environment, you're going to be faced with horses starving to death and dying of thirst.
"That is a horrible thing to see."
Watch the story on the ABC's 7.30 program tonight.
Replies: Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 11:24am
second photo, typical Danehill line markings, the bay with white socks.
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 11:53am
What is NoFollow? It is giving me the sh1ts.
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Simon Cameron
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 12:49pm
Thanks Isaac
Sadly the reality is that horses, donkeys & camels aren't native to this country & therefore thrive in the good times with no apex predator to keep their numbers at a sustainable level
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2018 at 4:09pm
Pre Christmas aerial culling in NSW & starvation for the Barmah brumbies & wildlife in Vic, what are our welfare organisations coming to?
Yesterday's
events and although horrendously tragic, out of the video has come an
enormous outcry of support and worldwide awareness. As a result Ch 9
Melbourne contacted Murray today and we've just finished up a 3 hour
session of talks and interviews. We're feeling like this is going to be a
bit of a step up and speak up against the authorities Parks rspca
Goulburn catchment authority. It's on tonight at 6pm ch 9 . I asked the crew about how do media figure out what posts are getting the hits.
I was told you need to play the news video and if you watch it 100
times it counts as a hit every time . You don't have to watch the whole
story thru just so it plays a bit. Sharing commenting and likes help but media look at how many times it's watched.
Thank you beautiful mare as you're a big part of sending the message
out. We will not forget your bubs we will feed him or her until it's all
fixed and you can live on. 🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2018 at 7:38pm
Wild brumbies starving in Central Victoria as Parks Victoria do nothing, locals say
https://www.9news.com.au/meet-the-team/nine-com-au/benjamin-ansell" rel="nofollow - By Benjamin Ansell
Wild brumbies in Central Victoria are facing a grim
reality with heavily decreased grazing land leaving many with nothing
to eat.
The unusual combination of drought
conditions and environmental flooding has left more than 150 brumbies in
the Barmah National Park north-east of Echuca in dire condition.
Local
residents say that Parks Victoria are failing to address the ongoing
problem, implementing a management plan they say consists of delaying
action long enough that the brumbies health becomes so poor they can
then shoot them on sight.
Their bodies are left to rot.
The
Barmah Brumby Preservation Group, made up of concerned local residents,
are currently rendering on-ground support for the starving and sick
horses.
The groups Facebook page presents a horrific collection of images and videos of horses on the brink of starvation.
Mark
Norman, chief conservation scientist, Parks Victoria, said he
understood people’s concerns however regulations prevent the feeding of,
or interference with, animals in National Parks.
“Parks Victoria is responding to incidences of
malnourished feral horses and receiving advice and assistance from RSPCA
Victoria regarding the welfare of the animals,” Mr Norman said.
Volunteer
groups report lengthy response times by Parks Victoria, leaving
community members to comfort the dying animals while they await someone
legally allowed to euthanise the animal.
Parks officers have been actively checking volunteers are adhering to the no feeding in the Park rule.
Barmah resident Kaye Moor said at least 26 brumbies and foals have died since the start of November.
Six foals have been rescued and sent to Hoofs2010 – a charity working to save and promote Australian bush horses.
The group has established a Go-Fund me page to raise funds for ground support, aiming to raise $25,000.
In a statement to 9News.com.au, Parks Victoria
Chief Conservation Scientist Dr Mark Norman said patrols are conducted
“twice a day across the park”.
“With support
from a team of regional equine vets, as well as responding to public
notifications of distressed horses,” Dr Norman said.
“Those
in very poor condition are being humanely put down on the spot. To date
we have euthanised 18 horses. We will continue to monitor and review
the situation.”
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2018 at 8:44pm
Twice a day across the park ?? What a load of crap. Talk to the locals on the ground to find out exactly how big a load of crap it is. And meanwhile NSW plan to aerial shoot the Singleton Brumbies a week before Christmas. Aerial shooting is illegal in NSW but they are on defence force land , so it seems its not illegal there. If anyone doesnt have any idea how horrific aerial shooting of horses is , check out the mass slaughter in Guy Fawkes NP .
Whats even sadder they thought they would sneak it by and no one would know,,,,they think we are all callous fools. RSPCA are useless.
OMG the way we allow our wild horses to be treated is nothing short of disgraceful.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 2:15pm
Hi
everyone, Well is this a busy time! This has exploded.. This
has happened because all you guys have been waging a battle for 5 years
and never wavered. All of the work we have done has added up and the
straw has finally broke the camels back.
We have a long way to go, but this has turned. The support we are receiving is huge.
The racing industries both thoroughbred and pacing have come on board
big time. We are about to receive some truck loads of hay which have been donated.
I also had a great conversation with the owner of one of the biggest
international thoroughbred studs in the world and they are on board big
time. Word has got out, The racing industries are disgusted seeing
this cruelty to horses. They are spreading the word to all of their
associates.
We are also receiving legal advice.
I
understand that it is frustrating to hear Parks Victoria's deceptive
comments in the media. We were always going to have to battle the
governments twist on things. That's fine we are getting the truth
out there and will prevail.
Keep the social media and media
pressure up. Even though it seems to be a frustrating process dealing
with this, The wheel is turning.
We just need to keep winning little battles to finally win the war.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 2:40pm
I just wanted to update you as to the situation with the proposed aerial cull on Tuesday of the Singleton Brumbies.
There
has been an overwhelming support from the public, media, social media
and animal welfare lobby groups and it has gone all the way to the top
and is now in the hands of Defense Minister Christopher Pyne. There are
unconfirmed reports that there is a briefing on Monday.
NBN
News were here to film this morning and this could possibly go regional
- from the Central Coast to the Gold Coast and further western NSW so
tune in tonight and we will post a link to the story on our facebook
page.
I would like to think that Minister Pyne
would not want this on his hands this Christmas and coming in to an
election, but anything is possible.
Thankyou for all of your support and fingers crossed for some good news next week.
This from the HVBA today
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 2:06pm
Oh Hell! Things seem to get more gruesome & cruel with every new post
Myself and https://www.facebook.com/john.salter.330?__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARASkt1J-Cd2SPFFJztQgSESePWd9FHJFtrv0MaoZ4Xrajfnj_Wdgu6fBHDoXzguulEBkqEnN3MQkMi5&fref=mentions" rel="nofollow - Salts Wyuna
went out this morning to search for the missing mare we were feeding.
Parks Victoria knew we were feeding her, Her yearling son and some
mates. Parks Victoria had the gelatis on so they installed the
camouflaged camera to catch us. Well Thursday they went out and shot
that mare whilst standing next to lucerne. They shot her in the hip
and then she crashed thru the bush over 120 metres until they put her
out of her Man made suffering. This is vindictive, they knew she was
being fed and was improving. The way this mare was put down is also
disgraceful.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 2:57pm
If you dare to question NPWS people , they always tell you they employ "expert marksmen ". If that, and mnay other shot horses taken out by their marksmen, is an expert shot, I will eat my hat. There is just no need for this cruel and spiteful action.
Cull if you must , but do it humanely.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 4:14pm
I’d contribute to a cull of all the Park Victoria personnel responsible
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 9:17am
All the wildlife has been impacted & you know it's bad when roos look like this (Barmah Vic)
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 2:17pm
This afternoon we have some sad news, it seems Defense Minister
Christopher Pyne and other power that be have no respect for animal
welfare or the voting public and they have decided in talks today that
the aerial cull at Singleton will still go ahead.
This is devastating news and hard to fathom that someone would sign off on it coming in to an election.
Please
note there will be no protest at the base, it is not fair to target
people that work there (there will be minimal staff anyway) and they do
care about the horses.
They will be culling from tomorrow until the 14th January.
If you wish to voice your concerns about this decision please contact Minister Pyne
I am also urging DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ENTER THE ARMY RANGE, it is very dangerous and illegal.
I
am urging local residents to make contact me is they see or hear
culling activities and I will also be driving around the public roads
bordering the base to check for injured horses during this time.
If you have any questions, please just get in touch
Thankyou
Kathryn Massey President Hunter Valley Brumby Association Inc
http://www.hvba.com.au" rel="nofollow -
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2018 at 7:00pm
Slightly off topic, but today 5 dogs were found dumped in bushland not far from here. They had an open bag of food and no water ( and its stinkin' hot here .) Its believed there are 2 more there some where . One is pregnant and another one has not long given birth, but no pups with her.
What are these neanderthal people doing ? I think they will track down the owner, but when they do, nothing will happen to them, which really riles me up. Animal cruelty laws are a sick joke.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 12:08pm
They were to start shooting yesterday, but they didnt. Please keep the pressure on Mr Pyne, who wont even talk to media at all, instead issueing a written statement, saying, in one point of justification, that the horses are destroying the environment. HELLO ! This is an army bombing/shooting base, so he is saying horses feet do more damage to the ground than bombs ??? And they are a danger to personell ?? More danger than bombs and guns ?
Go to Hunter Valley Brumby Ass facebook page and listen to Kath,s interview with 2GB. She tells it like it is, and spells out how useless the RSPCA head honcho is.
C.Pyne.MP@aph.gov.au
08 8431 2277
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 4:03pm
They are currently shooting the horses and will be all afternoon.
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 4:59pm
acacia alba wrote:
They are currently shooting the horses and will be all afternoon.
Spare a thought for the poor wildlife in the recent fire .
The toll & suffering would be horrible.
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2018 at 5:45pm
I always do Macca. I support the charity that goes out and looks for and helps injured and burned wild life. Its horrific.
The bugga about this shooting is its on DOD land so no one can see or monitor whats going on,,not even send up a drone.
Also the brumby and animal rescuse groups wanted to sit down and work out a better way than aerial shooting. ( Which is illegal in NSW. Isnt Singleton in NSW ), But Mr Pyne ( from S.A. ) wasnt interested in NSW people,s views . In fact he refuses to speak to media at all. Arrogant man.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 12:01am
God, they are trucking out the bodies,,,,alive or dead we dont know, in containers like you use for grain. So no one can see or know.
If ever some one gets footage of whats going on , all hell will break loose. And some one will, sooner or later. The locals are all on side.
I still love Mr Pyne,s statement ( on paper, no fronting the media in person ) about how the horse are causing environmental damage,,,,on an army bombing range. What the F ??
You can hide away Mr Pyne, but we know who you are, and there are many thousands out here who will be voting with our fingers against you and your party.
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Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 7:48am
What is the humane way to cull a wild animal? I understand the distress of everyone having to witness this but I’ll admit to being on the fence as far as aerial shooting goes. I had a horrible experience when I was a kid watching a truck load of brumbies go through the sales. It really was horrific to watch. They’d caught these horses , put them in a cattle truck and sent them off. The poor things were shaking with terror and totally traumatised. Everything single one went to the doggers anyway and I remember thinking at the time surely it’s better to shoot them running free on their own country rather than put them through that trauma? I don’t know , it’s an awful dilemma .
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 11:07am
Mustering them up to a yard and one expert shot will do it, or the green dream, much better than chasing them and taking pot shots from the air thru rough and timbered country.
Some of the aerial shot ones in Guy Fawkes were still walking with 6 to 8 shots all over them. One mare was dropped and gave birth as she lay dying. There were some dreadful sights in G.F. after the choppers left, but people couldnt be kept from seeing what had been done as its a national park, so local horsemen rode in and had to finish off many horses lying there still alive. Of course the old line about " expert marksmen " was trotted out.
No one knows whats happening at Singleton, as its restricted land, and many mares have foals at foot.
I do agree with you re them being trucked to sale yards. Its almost as bad. But a lot could be learned from the way the New Zealand Army Base brumbies are managed. I cant spell the name of the place , but its something like Kaimawai,,,its in the north island, no shooting there , just lots of common sense and humane management.
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Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 12:17pm
We certainly have to manage the brumbies. People forget that in the Banjo Patterson/ Man from Snowy River days the wild horses were managed. They used to round them up and take the younger ones to be broken in. People made a living that way back then. There was also a constant infusion of new blood. The most important line in The Man from Snowy River is “ The colt from Old Regret had got away” . This happened all the time. Leaving these horses with no population control is just cruel because they over graze the place and end up starving. Also with no new blood they get inbred . Maybe we should look at how the poms do it with their New Forest ponies . Anything is better than what we have now!
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2018 at 12:29pm
Correct spelling of the NZ Brumby Base is Kaimanawa . The way they are managed should be adopted here. Yes, the Singo horses were terribly inbred. The adults couldnt be tamed but orphan foals raised by hand are just like any other horse. There are, or were , only about 150 of them. Its not the culling,,its the way they have gone about it. They kept it a secret that only leaked out a week before they were due to shoot. Local pollies, brumby groups and animal welfare groups ask for a meeting to sort out a better way but Mr Pyne and his deputy flatly refused. In fact Mr Pyne refused to speak to media and has even left the country ! Apart from the fact aerial shooting was made illegal after Guy Fawkes, but he signed off on it anyway ???
Many other countries manage their wild horses, so why cant Australia ?
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2018 at 10:26am
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2018 at 3:42pm
Barmah brumby death outcry
https://www.countrynews.com.au/@news/profile/gadams/posts" rel="nofollow - By Geoff Adam Dec 25 2018
Barmah Forest’s brumby crisis has
started to tear the heart out of Australia with the release of a
devastating video of a mare dying, collapsing to the ground and still
calling for her foal.
The post has gone viral and sparked a public backlash against Parks Victoria’s management of the brumbies.
The post is just one of many on the Barmah Brumby Preservation Group
Facebook page highlighting the distressing plight of the horses that
have called Barmah Forest home for the past 180 years.
BBPG president Murray Willaton said Parks Victoria was not interested
in using even the most basic humanity to avert the deteriorating
crisis, and horses — adults and foals — were now dead or dying in big
numbers.
Mr Willaton referred to the park as a giant ‘‘animal cemetery’’ and
estimated at least 100 horses had perished and been left to rot in
floodwater or just off bush tracks.
It is illegal to feed them within the park boundary.
Despite rapidly increasing public pressure, Parks Victoria was
continuing to stand by its current management plan of shooting the
brumbies only when their body score gets below 1.5 and placing signs
throughout the forest reiterating it is illegal to feed horses in the
park. You & I would be prosecuted for not feeding any animal untill a 1.5 body score was reached
Parks Victoria itself appears to be unsure of the actual number of brumbies in the park.
In the past week it has issued statements ranging from 400 to 600
(based on thermal imaging over a small area and averaging it across the
park) — a figure that varies significantly from the BBPG estimate of
about 180 before this tragedy struck.
‘‘The feeding of native or introduced animals is not supported under
either legislation or parks regulations as this can interfere with their
ability to forage on their own and creates a dependence on human
intervention,’’ a Parks Victoria spokesman said.
Some members of the BBPG take matters into their own hands and feed the brumbies on private property adjacent to the park.
Mr Willaton said as distressing as the post of the mare was, it had
helped highlight the current plight of the Barmah brumbies and, as a
result, the group had received support from across the country and
overseas.
‘‘The racing sector has jumped on board now and some leading trainers
and horse owners have made donations of hay and cash; the increased
media exposure has really helped,’’ Mr Willaton said.
The group has also been seeking legal advice.
‘‘We are of the belief the prevention of cruelty to animals act,
which states the welfare of animals comes first, allows us to feed the
brumbies,’’ Murray said.
‘‘We are not renegades who want to break the law, we just want to see an end to this callous cruelty.’’
Environmental flooding has inundated the majority of the 28500ha park
and there does not appear to be an end in sight, as more flooding is
forecast from rising river levels from recent rains, due to arrive in
the next few weeks.
‘‘We are concerned floodwater from the Ovens and King rivers flowing
into the Murray will contribute to further flooding. We need the
Murray-Darling Basin Authority to turn the taps off and stop flooding
the bush,’’ Mr Willaton said.
We are currently feeding approximately 90 brumbies on private land.
Those brumbies have improved immensely. They come and go from the
forest and contrary to Parks Victoria's and the RSPCA's excuse for not
feeding them, They have not changed their behaviour and they are
still wild.
We are still waiting for the Minister Lily D'Abrosio to respond to our solicitors letter.
We are currently pushing hard for an urgent meeting with Lily to get to the bottom of this.
We are about to meet with the RSPCA to strongly discuss their absolute
refusal to investigate and prosecute cruelty in this matter.
So
the RSPCA have been informed that there was aggravated cruelty being
committed by Parks Victoria. Their response was to believe everything
that Parks Victoria told them, And then to appease them, They
release a policy based on the possible offender's lies. Professional
investigation doesn't work that way.
Thankfully they have
rescinded that policy. We will be strenuously pushing that they do
not release anymore policies regarding the Barmah brumbies unless they
speak to our group and actually hear the truth before making any more
decisions.
We are now in the transition from a cruelty disaster
to response to recovery. We have lost 65 brumbies. Those brumbies
have been photographed, Videod, Hair pulled for DNA, And included
on our map. How many more we find in the inaccessible areas who
knows. I assume we will easily end up with a total exceeding 100
deceased brumbies. Imagine how many we would have had deceased if
we didn't feed the 90?
We have been criticised in some
circles for feeding these horses. Rubbish like 'they are wild
animals and this should be the survival of the fittest. Let's be
clear if we hadn't of fed them we would definately have exceeded 200
brumbies deceased and would not have had a viable herd left. A lot
of the fittest would have died as well. This is just an
excuse for people to do nothing . Thankfully some people stepped up
to the mark and responded. A suspicious person could assume that
this is the cull that Parks Victoria have always wanted.
We as a
group are now moving forward, Working diligently on the future of the
brumbies in Barmah. We are trying not to be bogged down with
cruelty, Water, Fish Kills, EPA etc.
Now we are
reading in the media via Parks Victoria and the RSPCA that a long term
management plan for the brumbies in barmah will be completed and then
released to the public for consultation. Parks Victoria have clearly
been told by the General public that people wish to have a healthy
sustainable herd of Barmah Brumbies in the Barmah National Park.
There has been enough consultation. Parks Victoria stop with this
endless consultation, Accept the wish of the public. This is
like the person who keeps asking the same question to multiple people
until they get the answer they want. It's petulant behaviour,
Let's just get on with it.
We have searched this forest very
methodically and we are sure that there is no more than 180 brumbies
left. Parks Victoria, Let's recognise the brumbies heritage
value, Protect them in legislation and manage them professionally
Let's get a proper full count done and release the details, Let's
stop flooding the forest with environmental water at the wrong time of
the year, And let's 'together' set up a professional management plan.
Let's put experienced horse people in charge of the management of
these horses for the future. Instead of horse inexperienced
Rangers and Managers who are clearly Anti Brumby.
Minister Lily D'Ambrosio, Let's get on with it. Show some leadership and meet with us.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 2:20pm
I see the feral control council of NSW ( i think thats what they are called ) are now spruiking they had such success shooting the Singleton horses they now want to push to do the same to the Kosi horses.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2019 at 2:50pm
More city dwelling, pen pushing decision makerson what's best for the environment
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 8:22pm
BRUMBY CHALLENGE FEATURES AT STROUD SHOW
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Mount
A handful of Brumbies saved from the Kosciuszko National Park
have made their debut in the show ring.
The 250 Brumby Challenge was today’s feature event at the
Stroud Show, proving a wild horse can become a show pony in less
than a year.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2019 at 12:00pm
They just took a few trailer loads of Kosziosko brumbies away within the last few days. We see them often as we drive thru there,lovely greys, decent types, never starving, such an iconic part of the landscape. Why does the Govt always listen to the extremists? 🥵
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2019 at 12:28pm
Yeah and a lot of them were young ones. This after an agreement was reached that none would be removed and a working party would be formed to work out a better ending. Where is Barillo while this is happening ?
They will be off to the same end as those we saw the other night.
Cull if you must but do it humanely, and loading young wild horses onto trucks, driving them hundreds of miles without a break or water, and running them down shutes to their death isnt humane in any way. Many of them arrive bashed about and injured and crazy with fear.
Humans have a lot to answer for. Especially the raving extremeists that really dont have a clue.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2019 at 2:06pm
Didn't you know AA they are the only ones who know what is best for us all!
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2019 at 5:24pm
Hmmm, yes, of course we all need them to tell us how to live.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 2:46pm
Someone had previously posted on another brumby page that large numbers
of brumbies had perished in the Kiandra area.How they know this I don’t
know but it had me worried sick about this mob as I hadn’t seen them yet UNTIL YESTERDAY They are all unscathed ,no burns !! This mob lives out the back of Kiandra and how they made it out unscathed is just another amazing brumby feat!!! I don’t need to say much about this mob of greys other than “amazing,stunning,beautiful”,you get my drift These gorgeous grey wild Snowy Mountain brumbies are just that.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 4:44pm
Beautiful photos
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 5:42pm
An Industry in the making. We have to face up to the fact , A huge percentage of our population can't afford , meats . Especially Beef. There are so many problem beasts out there to reduce the load on cheaper meats , we should be harvesting them . Deer is out of control , Nothing wrong with Goat , Horse ,Pig, etc, from the wild .
Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 9:16pm
At first glance I thought this thread was about John Brumby former Premier of Victoria.
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 9:47pm
Well, no, its not, BB.
The horses have made it . Survived the massive fires. Now they have to survive the greenies who want them shot because thay are a risk to walkers , and drivers, ( because walkers and drivers are too stupid to be careful ), and because they are killing the habitat.
Not to mention what these massive wild fires are doing to habitat.
Just blame the horses,,,,forget about the wild pigs and the weekend warriors who run amok and destroy everything in sight.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 4:17pm
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Warning ,GRAPHIC IMAGES !! (charred remains, having seen all the pics )
Hi all.I wouldn’t normally do a post like this but many people have been asking both.. “ how many horses do you think are in the mountains” and “ have you seen many dead horses”
Let me just start by saying that the proposed removal of 4000 horses is
going to take place in the Northern end of Kosciusko National Park.The
Northern end is where I visit almost 100% of the time and have been
doing so for years.Ian and I have hiked hundreds of kilometres up there
and mainly off the beaten trail,we mainly hike following brumby tracks
as they are well used and easy to follow. We have hiked pretty much everywhere and on many occasions.
The latest wild horse population count (pre fires)done by the AANP puts
the number of wild horses in the Northern end at over 15,600. The
answer to question one in my opinion is that there would not be more
than 3000 absolute max and that is a “post fire”opinion which I will
explain. I know that in a previous post I mentioned that we hadn’t
seen many dead horses,(dead as a result of the fires)when in fact we
have.We haven’t mentioned this for reasons that it is very sad ,also no
one wants to hear this sort of thing! Post fires we have walked
across a few plains and looked into treelines all around Kiandra and
surrounds.We have seen 18 burnt and dead horses.Please note that the
park is still closed so we haven’t even explored the area properly
yet,not even scratched the surface yet have seen this many dead horses
so it would be safe to say that many have suffered a terrible death(
every horse we have sighted is facing away from the direction that the
fire came, so sad for all animals )
Also on the 12-1-20 I received a message from NPWS stating that they
would be undertaking the euthanising of injured horses over the next few
days. Many horses have perished as a result of the fires !!!
This is just my opinion,everyone is entitled!! Where on earth are these 15,600+ wild horses in the Northern end?.Such a ridiculous number ,impossible number !! I can’t believe that the government can and has accepted these numbers as fact. Another wild horse population count needs to be done ,a post fires count !
Doesn’t our environmental minister realise that many wild horses have
perished in the recent fires,has he even been to KNP after the
fires?They all just speculate this and that without knowing the truth.
If he was a true minister for the environment and governed for the
people then he would listen to the locals many of whom are up in
arms contesting this ridiculous wild horse population count, surely if he
was for the people he would realise that something isn’t quite right
and there needs to be a more in depth count done !! If a realistic
population number was released then we would all be in agreement but
15,600+ in the Northern end alone, you’ve got to be kidding me!
Doesn’t our environmental minister realise that this is not the case or
is it that he just doesn’t care? I think the latter, the “that’ll do
“attitude comes to mind. They can’t remove 4000 brumbies from the Northern end as there aren’t 4000 brumbies up there
I’m sorry if these images are disturbing. Im not going to share
all pics but enough to show you all that yes, horses have died as a
result of the fires and safe to say many horses.
A recount needs to be done, an honest recount not a flawed, biased count but a truthful count!! So sad but the truth https://postimg.cc/xJ3Pnhmj" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 5:33pm
Mother Nature was a cruel Lady.
LIFE is made up of some sad outcomes.
I could cry.
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 10:06pm
Mother Nature is sure cruel, but even crueler are dumb ass pollies and greenies who dont have a clue.
4,000 in the north of the park alone? What world are these bimbos living in ? Who did this count fiddlesticks ?
Be lucky to have 4, 000 in the whole of Kosi Nat Park.
But dumb and dumber arnt going to listen to the locals who live and ride there are they ? Oh NO. What would the locals know , most of whom are 4 and 5 generation Snowy people, compared to scientists with bits of paper that tell them they are smart, when most of these jokers have never even set foot in the park. No doubt sent a drone over and counted the same herd 5 or 6 times because they are too dumb to recognise them each time they appear.
Oh dont get me started on this of the amount of horses in the park, and the idiots who are so called experts .
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 4:07pm
A couple of the unscathed boys enjoying life while they can
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 11:54pm
They’re in good nick, such a travesty that they can’t just let them be. Especially after the bushfires and dawning realisation that we need the undergrowth controlled
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 11:06pm
Pretty bloody underhanded in anyone's book regardless of the need or otherwise
BEING DONE IN SECRECY WHILE WE'RE IN LOCKDOWN.!!!! WHY...????
WHILE we're in lockdown and ON ESSENTIAL SERVICES ALLOWED...!!!! Can ANYONE tell me WHY TRAPPING and sending BRUMBIES to slaughter while MEDIA is focused on VIRUS CRISIS??? WHY when BRUMBIES NUMBERS have been found to be WELL UNDER 2000 are THEY even being CULLED..???
WHY when BRUMBY Advocates and rescues are in lockdown ARE THE PARKS.. NSW
and VIC.. BOTH TRAPPING.. and sending to slaughter.. BOTH chances of
SAVING them.. WHY???? WHY MUST they at this time be slaughtered in SECRET..
Look at THESE BRUMBIES.. trapped and now waiting for DEATH after being
terrified and transported.. Not to a new LIFE.. But DEATH.. WHY..
because they SAVED THE PARK FROM complete destruction and allowed many
WILDLIFE to escape and SURVIVE.. by keeping fuel loads down and slowing
or stopping fires spreading.. NOW DEATH.. FOR DOING WHAT HUMANS
FAILED TO DO!!!! HUMANS ALLOWED it BURN.. by mismanagement and lack of
resources.. RESOURCES that could ONLY be used to SAVE humans and THEIR
infrastructures.. WHILE the PARK.. Bush.. WILDLIFE was left to BURN...
But OUR BRUMBIES didn't.. their GRAZING gave HOPE.. NOW CRUELLY we
extinguish THEIRS in slaughter and silence as THEY'RE whisked away to
slaughter WHILE we stay uninformed and unable to SAVE them.. Only 3
orphaned FOALS .. who intially wandered out of bush after fires near a
town.. were ABLE to be SAVED BEFORE slaughter.. by Hoofs 2010 inc.. But
ONLY after MUCH negotiations due to VIRUS etc
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2020 at 11:41pm
You have to give these people intent on doing away with the horses all credit for their sneaky and underhanded ways, if sadly lacking in compassion and common sense.
Some of these no doubt survived the fires only to face this.
Some humans are sad individuals.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 May 2020 at 3:36pm
Victoria vows to cull of up to 400 brumbies in winter
https://www.theland.com.au/profile/451/john-ellicott" rel="nofollow - John Ellicott
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A stock photo of brumbies being mustered in the high plains. A group of
horsemen and women are trying to prevent the cull of 400 brumbies in
Victoria by mustering them out of the high country.
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Cattlemen
and horsemen and women of the high country in Victoria are gathering to
the fray in a bid to save brumbies as the Victorian Government moves to
institute a large cull of the wild horse population.
One
farmer has offered his property as a sanctuary to save up to 100
brumbies on the Bogong Plains area. He has the support of local
landholders and the Victorian Liberal MP Bill Tilley.
Parks
Victoria is moving quickly to institute a culling program that could
see up to 400 brumbies removed from the alpine park area. Late on
Monday, Parks Victoria announced it would delay the cull until winter.
It followed an injunction sought against the cull by brumby supporters
in the Victorian Supreme Court.
It is believed that the cull will happen by shooting, a practice outlawed in NSW.
A
legal stand-off over the last two years has seen brumby numbers
skyrocket, with claims they are damaging by "pugging" the source of the
Murray River and other pristine alpine locations.
Brumby
supporters say the brumbies have bloodlines going back 140 years and
are part of the heritage of the Alpine areas. The Victorian brumbies do
not have the same legislative recognition in Victoria as they do in NSW
under Deputy Premier John Barilaro's controversial brumbies Heritage
Bill brought in two years ago. In Victoria brumbies are classified as
"pest animals".
Brumby supporter Bill
Tilley, the member for Benambra said: "Brumby populations must be
managed appropriately in Victoria" but he said "brumbies are an iconic
part of Victoria's cultural heritage and High Country identity and their
population numbers need to be managed sustainably.
"The Government must have appropriate, ethical management measures in place to protect our natural environment.
"Mustering
and rehoming must be the priority in any government program to manage
brumby numbers, rather than shooting and eradication."
Omeo cattleman Phil Maguire is leading the round-up to save the brumbies at Bogong Plains.
He said on facebook that saving the brumbies was part of the "great Australian rebellion".
It
is believed up to 20 riders have accepted the challenge to move the
Bogong brumbies to Mr Maguire's place at Omeo, where he already has 40
brumbies.
He says he will feed and keep them there.
Parks Victoria chief executive Matthew Jackson said the Government had legal backing to continue with a cull.
"The
Victorian Government is committed to protecting Victoria's
biodiversity, ensuring it is healthy, valued and actively cared for," Mr
Jackson said.
"Parks Victoria has a
legal and moral obligation to protect the native species that are at
risk of extinction from the impacts of feral horses and other pest
animals.
"The conservation of Alpine
National Park is key to this. Native alpine plants and animals which are
found nowhere else on the planet are not equipped to deal with the
weight, grazing, hard hooves or trampling of feral horses.
"The
2019-20 bushfires wiped out very large areas of habitat for our unique
native species. The areas less affected by fire now provide the only
habitat for threatened native species and are being severely damaged by
feral horses, whose numbers have significantly increased in the past
five years.
"By removing large invasive
herbivores from the sensitive landscape, Parks Victoria is providing a
greater chance of survival for native species. Feral horse management is
one component of an integrated approach to reducing the impacts of
introduced animals in the Alpine National Park.
"Parks
Victoria regularly undertakes programs to manage deer, pigs and other
non-native species, complementing feral horse management.
"All
feral horse management operations are thoroughly planned, carried out
by highly qualified and experienced professionals under strict
conditions, ensuring the operations are safe, effective, humane and in
accordance with all relevant legislation, codes of practice and standard
operating procedures.
"Safety is a
priority, so Parks Victoria is working with Victoria Police to protect
the welfare of people involved in the program.
"Planning
and implementation of the feral horse management program is underway
and will be ongoing. Additional information will be posted on the Parks
Victoria website to keep people informed."
A
recent aerial survey found there were up to 25,000 brumbies in the
Kosciuszko National Park in NSW, a figure disputed by brumby supporters.
The Land
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 1:30pm
NSW Environment has announced 4,000 brumbies to be removed from Kosi Nat Park. Almost all these horse will go to slaughter.
Aust Alps Nat Park survey estimated 15,000 brumbies in the park.
Its biologically impossable .
50% would have to be female and every one of them would have to have foaled ( and kept it alive ) every year between 2014 and 2019.
Take in drought, fires, and current trapping and its almost impossable for this number to be fact.
Each year different areas were surveyed, and always areas with more rather than less mobs of horses, so if its a different area surveyed , how can it be accurate ?
Locals who know the area report that the surveys are done in areas of least damage, so of course horse numbers will be more there.
The Snowy Mts Brumby Management Group did their own aerial survey over 720 square Ks, with 3 observers to count.
163 clusters were seen. 1,082 were adults and 46 foals.
These people did not count horses in the Bondo State Forest as this is not part of the Aust Alps . However the official surveyers did count these horses in order to bulk up the numbers.
In short 1128 horses is way short of the 15,000 claimed in the 2019 Cairns report.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 2:40pm
So when those horses are removed for slaughter, on what basis is that done ? Tender ?
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 3:14pm
Not really sure who will do it at present as they change their minds so often. Some Nat Park people are involved. Its becoming more "watched " for want of the proper word. I mean its harder each year for them to get away with inhumane acts, altho just sending them hundreds of Ks, crammed on trucks, to slaughter is totally cruel. This time, they are talking about euthing them in the yards, but who knows what the out come will be.
Aerial shooting is unlawful in NSW and has been since the Guy Fawkes fiasco, yet they aerial shot the Singleton horses last year, and wouldnt allow anyone on base to make sure all were dead, and not walking around with bullets in them. The minister who signed off on that should have been shot himself.
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 3:18pm
There are what? 200+ politicians in Canberra, too many, and they breed, so let's cull some, who goes first? they're all bloody useless, good for nothing, so at least the brumbies are lovely to look at and are our heritage, I vote the polies go first.
Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 3:21pm
acacia alba wrote:
Not really sure who will do it at present as they change their minds so often. Some Nat Park people are involved. Its becoming more "watched " for want of the proper word. I mean its harder each year for them to get away with inhumane acts, altho just sending them hundreds of Ks, crammed on trucks, to slaughter is totally cruel. This time, they are talking about euthing them in the yards, but who knows what the out come will be.
Aerial shooting is unlawful in NSW and has been since the Guy Fawkes fiasco, yet they aerial shot the Singleton horses last year, and wouldnt allow anyone on base to make sure all were dead, and not walking around with bullets in them. The minister who signed off on that should have been shot himself.
Who was the minister? let us know, where were the greens in all this. These low bastards need justice, the horses can't do it, but oh yeah we can????
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 3:21pm
Not only are there too many pollies, but they are allowed to breed !!! Look at the way Barnaby is churning them out !
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 3:25pm
Bonjour starting to sound like Guy Fawkes, be careful, we know what became of him !
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 3:25pm
I think he retired,,,,or something ? Pyn or Pyne or the like ?
The greenies are all for doing away with the horses in case they damage the alpine plants.
There is a mob of people who bush walk in the Barrington Tops, and they want those horses done away with . The reason ? They might attack humans .
They got around shooting the Singleton horses by tweaking "the rules" because it is an army base.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 3:59pm
https://www.facebook.com/groups/148383065948106/permalink/702233320563075/" rel="nofollow - - - Yesterday at 10:07
I
was sent this horrific personal account by Jenny who witnessed first
hand the anthropocentric people that are employed to manage our National
Parks in Australia. PLEASE SHARE EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW.
Jenny wrote:
I also worked at a large Veterinary practice for 3 years, so not only
was I married to a Ranger but was there to render veterinary treatment
to anything living, which was a joke, what I saw was horrendous, it's
something you can't even describe without dry reaching. The carnage, the
pain, the terror, these images remain in my head and cause me great
pain to this day, what I saw, what I witnessed. A stallion trying to
protect his band of mares and foals shot 3,4,5 times but still trying to
stand between the gun and his band, his favorite MARE down bleeding to
death and he's trying to get her up; another mare shot, he goes to her,
the same, he tries and tries, gets another bullet, now dragging his
back leg but still fighting this devil with the gun, then the chopper leaves and they target others on the run, leaving behind the horses screaming in pain. Yes Bev, you can show this account, but the
shooters have no conscience, no heart, they are no different to the
trophy hunters, that shoot to kill anything in their guns sights. Evil
just evil.This has given me nightmares and stress to this day, it is an
event I will NEVER get over. The trap sites are the same it also
creates a foreign atmosphere that wild animals should not be exposed to,
not only do horses come to these sites other animals are attracted to
the salt and molasis licks, ie; parrots dingo (or wild dog) preying on
the more vulnerable animals. This has made me a bitter person towards
the parks Management and Environmentalists. As a wildlife lover,
there was another incident. I caught these tiny little frogs the size of
half a grain if uncooked rice, I took them to the Parks Rangers and
showed them these tiny little frogs a (couple in transformation from
tadpole to frog) could be a new species, the 2 Rangers who looked at
the jar, tipped a couple into the lid, saying "yeah tiny aren't they,
nah never saw something like that, then he tipped the jar onto the car
park. I felt like punching him in the face. This is the attitude of the
Rangers. NO this is not acceptable.
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The
brumby cull needs to be stopped. Whilst the brumby numbers need to be
reduced to protect the environment, the Parks Vic plan says they won’t
be shooting brumbies, yet they’re about
to start. There are far more humane ways of reducing numbers but they
must be given time to work. Minister https://www.facebook.com/LilyDAmbrosioMP/?__tn__=%2CdKH-R-R&eid=ARBEQrMjDHwJmUCWhn1MPxKgA51HdCVUH7NE3ZL1oCJ1PSQRzLtUIZF5G1pildSDPm7KdizQutwJXYYc&fref=mentions&hc_location=group" rel="nofollow - Lily D'Ambrosio MP , call off the cull and stick to the plan your own people put together!
VIC AlPINE Brumbys
https://www.facebook.com/david.mcmillan.351?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDoyODc2Mjk3MzM5MTE0NTI1XzI4Nzc2NTk1MTg5NzgzMDc%3D" rel="nofollow - David Mcmillan Do we no roughly how many r alive since the fires
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 4:09pm
What the eye doesn't see, the heart doesn't grieve, is such a true saying.
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 4:12pm
Thats the problem with aerial shooting. They claim they are "expert" marksmen but they are NOT. They just shoot and shoot and keep going. Friends were the first to ride in to Guy Fawkes after the choppers went over shooting. They found horses still stumbling around with 6 and even 8 bullets in them. A mare down and aborted a live foal, with 4 bullets in her. Many many horses shot and alive in agony.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 20 May 2020 at 4:21pm
https://www.facebook.com/groups/640063936071221/badge_member_list/?badge_type=ADMIN" rel="nofollow - - Admin · https://www.facebook.com/groups/640063936071221/permalink/2867778579966401/" rel="nofollow - - On the Barmah front, the horses are looking fantastic.
Some people are getting the situations with the Barmah, Bogong, Kosziosko & Eastern Alps horses mixed up, which is understandable.
The Barmah horses are safe for now. Later in the year it may be all
hands on deck. We have a meeting shortly and then will update you
further.
We are that time with the Alps horses where it is
action stations. Groups, Individuals, rescues have all done
their best, Meeting with Parks Vic, Politicians, Letters, Email
writing, Petitions, Dishonest Public Consultation, Media.
Hopefully now that these horses are under immediate threat we don't
implode and turn on each other thru frustration and emotions. I
believe that everybody, although different, have done their best and
we need to stick together.
The time for meetings or deals
with Parks Vic is over, it is hurting the cause. We need to stand
firm, stage massive protests and wait for Parks Vic to come back to us
with their tail between their legs and a change of attitude.
I remember what a couple of good friends of mine told me on my travel to the States last year. Those friends, https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009182053683&fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARBnpJt1TXdXFBW0b_nwqUzjCAZToj-GDcy07t34RW6H_tMmMLGIsMiTzRUOQdFkuBXLhWB6xgucs2er&dti=640063936071221&hc_location=group" rel="nofollow - Darrell R Glover , President of Help Alberta Wildies, and https://www.facebook.com/simone.netherlands?fref=gs&__tn__=%2CdK-R-R&eid=ARAHlVjIg_gsyc9X5f2ge-EY5vKJyN88UaSSbBv8mBa09XL38XqaKcUNMX5ElaGDOjH2RgQCNxj1rbsa&dti=640063936071221&hc_location=group" rel="nofollow - Simone Netherlands
of Salt River Wild Horse Management group, told me that they
went thru the same path as us for their respective herds of mustangs and
they were not listened to. They said that at the end of the day
what saved their mustangs, was simply many protests, right when
their horses were massively under threat. The people of America and
Canada stood up at crunch time and protested.
Daryl even got
arrested and spent a night in jail. But as a result he got massive
media exposure for his mustangs. Those protests put enough pressure
on the governments for them to change their mind. Now, both of
those herds are safe.
Well the time has come, We either
protest in our thousands or we probably lose. It may even mean that
some get arrested to achieve the aim. The time has come for the Alps
and Bogong. The time will come later in the year for Barmah.
We now need very clear leadership from the individual groups
representing those individual herds of brumbies, and hopefully
thousands will support them in the field.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 4:31pm
Liberal Nationals call for a halt to Labor’s brumby cull
Published: 19 May 2020
The
Liberal Nationals have listened to communities in Victoria’s High
Country and are supporting their calls for the Andrews Government’s
brumby cull to be halted.
Brumbies are an iconic part of our
State’s cultural identity, and whilst maintaining biodiversity in
Victoria’s parks is necessary, any management of brumby populations must
be conducted ethically and sustainably.
High Country communities have made it clear they don’t support Labor’s brumby cull. Even the Andrews Government’s 2018 https://s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/hdp.au.prod.app.vic-engage.files/8815/2757/7404/Alpine-NP-Feral-Horse-SAP-2018-21.pdf" rel="nofollow - Feral Horse Strategic Action Plan recognised this, finding that shooting had “limited public support” and should only be used as a last resort.
It’s estimated there are about 300 sambar deer for every brumby in Victoria’s High Country.
Comments attributable to Leader of The Nationals, Peter Walsh:
“Daniel Andrews is ignoring country communities and Labor’s own policy by pushing ahead with this cull.
Despite
targeting brumbies, other destructive animals like deer, wild dogs and
pigs are running wild through our national parks and forests because the
Andrews Government has failed to put appropriate control measures in
place.”
Comments attributable to Shadow Minister for Environment, Bridget Vallence:
“The
Andrews Labor Government has failed to adequately engage in public
consultation before deciding to shoot brumbies. Minister D’Ambrosio has
gone missing in action, and must immediately intervene to stop this cull
and engage with regional communities.
A cull is not the only
option available to the Government to manage brumbies. The Liberal
Nationals believe more effort should be made to prioritise mustering and
rehoming of these majestic animals. Any government plan must be humane
and recognise the important and unique contribution of brumbies to our
national cultural heritage.”
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 5:18pm
Oh so true! This from an ex Kiwi friend:
https://www.facebook.com/diablojames?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDoyNTk0ODYxMDU0MzQ4NzdfMjU5NTk2MjIyMDkwNTMy" rel="nofollow - Diablo James As
a former soldier, hunter and professional wildlife controller I can
guarantee it is almost impossible to humanely kill a moving target from a
moving vehicle. As hunters we have a moral obligation to kill
ethically. It requires years of experience and
practise. Every animal deserves to die in a dignified manner without
unnecessary pain or suffering. The cull is a sad indictment on our
values and ethos as a caring and compassionate society 😳
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 5:45pm
Oh so very true.
Just shows that shooting from a chopper is so inhumane its sickening. No one goes after the chopper and puts them out of their pain.
Its not just horses they do this to, either.
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 10:45pm
The Neanderthal leader of the communist state of Danistan, AKA Victoria, is a sad indictment of where we are as a species. How the hell you can sanction this is beyond me, and most of you by the sound of it......if NSW is complicit in a cull, well, whoa betide those bureaucrats as well.......as a former owner of an award winning African Safari Company, we used to operate tag and release programs for Rhino and other wonderful animals besieged by greedy, cruel and ruthless humans, there are other ways of controlling the burgeoning numbers of Brumbies, and the Gov needs to act accordingly....or else!
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 11:10pm
Amusing the cover up BS they go on about the humane consideration for the animals on the run being shot from aircraft or motor vehicles.
Fire at the large target ( Bodily) to be reasonably sure of a hit . They die whenever that way . Miss too often otherwise , so don't believe that BS . Most culled are the Roo's. Usually paid for or subsidised by landowners. Protected or not. All about Grass.
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 21 May 2020 at 11:14pm
I forget which MP it is but he's pushed hard for them in Vic, sharing this petition everywhere on FB; however, some say they prefer not to divulge their address (as if govts don't already have it ) & others that they can't work out how to sign Could anything be harder than this?
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/council/publications-a-research" rel="nofollow - Publications & Research
Legislative Council E-Petitions
E-petition Number
136
Title
Protect Brumbies
Grievance
The
Petition of certain citizens of the State of Victoria draws to the
attention of the Legislative Council the survival of Australia's unique
wild horse, the brumby. Brumbies have lived here for 200 years, long
before the creation of National Parks or manmade wetlands. They are now
under threat from the Government, whose plans are to remove all brumbies
from these areas.
Brumbies are an integral part of our social history and hold important
cultural and heritage value. Brumbies are ancestors of the same founding
stock linked to early settlers and were used during World War I and II.
Genetic sampling has been taking place since 2014, with brumbies being
included in the World Wild Horse Database. To date, DNA sampling has
established an individual DNA line to Barmah Horses and Barmah National
Park, with over 80 samples tested. Victorian Government scientific
reports do not differentiate impacts caused by all introduced species or
acknowledge the benefits of brumbies.
Mass extermination or uncontrolled culling of brumbies would see the
destruction of unique heritage brumby bloodlines from Victoria, as
opposed to retaining controlled sustainable populations in all three key
areas, enshrining the brumby in Australia's history for future
generations.
Brumby bloodlines should be protected in the form of legislation, namely
a ‘Victorian Brumby Heritage Act’, which should recognise the heritage
value of sustainable wild horse populations within the Barmah and Alpine
National Parks and surrounding area of the Bogong High Plains.
Action
The
petitioners therefore request that the Legislative Council call on the
Government to abandon plans to remove all brumbies from the Bogong High
Plains, Barmah and Eastern Alps and instead manage sustainable brumby
populations, introduce legislation to protect brumby bloodlines and
establish scientific and community advisory panels to participate in all
future decisions for brumby populations, which should include a
representative from key brumby organisations.
Closing Date
2020-07-31
Not tabled signatures
11530
Total signatures including previously tabled
11530
Join
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/index.php?option=com_rsform&view=rsform&formId=74&Itemid=1054&petition_id=147" rel="nofollow - Click here to sign
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 1:48pm
We seek to prevent the planned slaughter, by Parks
Victoria, of the Victorian High Country Brumbies
including the last remaining horses with a proven
genetic link to Waler horses used in WW1.
Only one of those magnificent horses returned home. In
one of those fortunate twists of fate, the horses bred
by the McNamara and Young families on the Bogong High
Plains who were numbered among them, were bred with
before they were sold to the Waler trade.
Their descendants are today’s Bogong Brumbies.
Those in the east of Victoria share the work and
nation building heritage of all brumbies.
Litigation on this issue is continuing and legal costs
are rising rapidly.
The intention is to prevent all shooting of horses
planned by Parks Vic and the Victorian State
Government.
This gofundme is to help with legal costs.
We truly appreciate all the help we’ve received so
far, as news of these proposed atrocious acts spreads.
We'd like to acknowledge the amazing effort of
our lawyers, Roberts Gray, who have been burning the
candle at both ends. Always available.
This recent post from those fighting to stop the shooting in Vic. They have a Go Fund Me page if anyone feels strongly enough that this is wrong.
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Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 3:26pm
We have enough problems with retired racehorses. To
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 May 2020 at 3:44pm
What is Humane Birth Control and Why is it Important?
We use PZP (Porcine Zona Pelucida) immuno-contraception to stabilize
population growth. It is darted in the field by our certified
volunteers, without capturing wild horses. PZP is the only acceptable
form of birth control for wild horses, as it does not harm nor influence
their hormones and therefore does not harm or influence their
reproductive behaviors and herd dynamics.
Any other form of birth control, such as geldings or overyectomies,
are cruel, expensive, and will influence their hormones, which is why we
do not support those forms of birth control for wild horses.
Birth control is important, because the herd is fenced in by
civilization on all sides and their resources are limited; therefore
they cannot grow exponentially. The goal of this program is for each
horse born in the wild, to be able to live out its life in the wild.
PLEASE Join us in this historic movement to ensure that these beautiful wild horses remain wild and free and managed humanely.
This from a wild horse group in Arizona, so as you can see shooting or trucking off to slaughter is just not necessary. The PZP is administered and paid for by volunteers at no cost to Govnt.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 8:55pm
Yay!!!! Finally something meaningful at govt. level
https://www.facebook.com/BillTilleyMP/?__tn__=kC-y.g&eid=ARC8UgvHwY5-tfesJyNC-cWYKuCpAaJHSCt9-ML0chZdvHrdmOsN2lEpwSlVKlzlEzJAipj9DyKICBHH&hc_ref=ARRoLuws-LHOj2Nu7OB85E8ITEutdwD2e1MfMu_TYJM1GkwcNxyF0i2WiU4-3p9lp0I&fref=nf&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARA3vattu1dSqJD673wP8jiQzpttacONlEfftVg7c-FKG5eWto2pzE0XgftVrXZmx4hLGX9mq_UGPKMXv71kwDd9Ss6PcUjy4uBrx_mw2Mwos422fhYtLpxA0tXWnJPOUwNMxv2S8KGAKaLm-zF7O6G4LGmZBu1mQb2TA6Z7WFVWeHktApuyfpE_pG-1MBwMl4DMv9LHfDrsVXF54asPqf0k7X85yyKcSk0fXVc5Vyxzc2QDBqp1VBH-CroBTP5WAuOL361h8EDuiUMEWt9h5nH9YkYt5i2PSWO6LpuO61MdIqoES-0Sco-7STZvVQpOCCIo9Gjg3k2gcoOL9jV9ow4812TUhRVcNNIC4OC5puBz08GpxIBlGLFJY0poUBBGcJ1Q8zj5DQ6A-KSCWu_auXmkT0eT042bZTB5GBkGN3QFQaoCrfSMu1t28ejy0fWG1_NPIRnV4SmLw8Z0-QPSbN0o17L7TvPCil8oCydezvsqouFO1rBjxpJ8F4U5x9gR2L4ZEbO4" rel="nofollow - Bill Tilley MP
https://www.facebook.com/BillTilleyMP/photos/a.198772036996083/1427949210745020/?type=3&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARA3vattu1dSqJD673wP8jiQzpttacONlEfftVg7c-FKG5eWto2pzE0XgftVrXZmx4hLGX9mq_UGPKMXv71kwDd9Ss6PcUjy4uBrx_mw2Mwos422fhYtLpxA0tXWnJPOUwNMxv2S8KGAKaLm-zF7O6G4LGmZBu1mQb2TA6Z7WFVWeHktApuyfpE_pG-1MBwMl4DMv9LHfDrsVXF54asPqf0k7X85yyKcSk0fXVc5Vyxzc2QDBqp1VBH-CroBTP5WAuOL361h8EDuiUMEWt9h5nH9YkYt5i2PSWO6LpuO61MdIqoES-0Sco-7STZvVQpOCCIo9Gjg3k2gcoOL9jV9ow4812TUhRVcNNIC4OC5puBz08GpxIBlGLFJY0poUBBGcJ1Q8zj5DQ6A-KSCWu_auXmkT0eT042bZTB5GBkGN3QFQaoCrfSMu1t28ejy0fWG1_NPIRnV4SmLw8Z0-QPSbN0o17L7TvPCil8oCydezvsqouFO1rBjxpJ8F4U5x9gR2L4ZEbO4&__tn__=-y.g" rel="nofollow - THE AYES HAVE IT ...
Late today the Legislative Council in the Parliament of Victoria moved
and passed a motion to cease the Labor Government and Parks Victoria's policy of shooting Brumbies in our National Parks.
It is a significant step for all of us who have fought to save these iconic high-country horses.
This vote in effect says and sends a very clear message to both the
Labor Government and Parks Victoria to get back to the table and engage
and consult with Victorians. To engage and consult with the
organisations who have in the past and are willing to continue into the
future to offer solutions that balance the environmental imperatives and
the cultural and historical significance of these horses. I too am
ready to engage in that process in a mature and considered way in order
to find an appropriate way to manage our brumby population.
Some
of those organisations have been pleading with the Government and Parks
Victoria to do just that including and not exclusive to; Australian
Brumby Alliance, Alpine Brumby Management Assoc, Benambra Brumby
Runners, Barmah Brumby Preservation Group, Australian Brumby
Association, Victorian Brumby Association plus a number of other
qualified professional horse breakers and managers.
This is a
small victory in this battle but we should celebrate and acknowledge all
those people from all walks of life, from across the nation and indeed
the globe who have stood up to be counted, who have continued to offer
reasoned debate in the face of the massive and well-oiled machinery of
government. And especially to my parliamentary colleagues in the
Legislative Council whose eloquence and passion won the day.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 9:19pm
Especially the MacQuires,,,who have fought long and hard. Used their own funds. Mustered the horses onto their own land.
Yes, cut down numbers ,,,,but not by shooting.
How about contraceptives fiddlesticks.
Works in other places with wild horses.
Yeah but our Gubmint are too dumb to try it.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2020 at 4:15pm
Last week wild horse herd managers and scientist
came together in Billings Montana for a 3 day
birth control conference, organized by the Science
and Conservation Center.
Simone Netherlands, president of the Salt River
Wild Horse Management Group, (SRWHMG) and
Jacquelynn Hughes, AZDA Salt River Horse Liaison,
presented together on the SRWHMG birth control
program and the importance of government agencies
working together with non profit organizations on such
projects.
Different agencies, groups and volunteers who
have PZP programs, compared results and
discussed new developments as well as some of
the challenges.
There are indeed some factions as well as
individuals who really believe that (native) PZP
is a pesticide. There are many untrue rumors
about PZP, but fact of the matter is that it
saves lives. It does so by humanely controlling
populations that would otherwise be completely
removed. It saves African elephants from being
poached and it saves American wild horses from
being removed from public lands.
The Non profits came from as far as Roemenia
and South Africa (HSI) to speak to how well
their programs are working, some having 100%
effacacy rates! Zero negative side effects to
any mammals have been noted and on Assateague
Island, mares that have been darted for years,
are living to be in their 30s! They are
healthier because their bodys dont have to go
through birthing and nursing every year.
The BLM and Forest Service were there also, BLM
speaking to how they are still looking for a
product that is more permanent (the golden
goose) and the Forest Service spoke about the
NEPA restrictions they recently placed on PZP
programs. (Making it much more difficult for
such programs to be developed on Forest Service
lands.)
Despite those two presentations, the conference
was fun, informative and highlighted the ground
breaking work of the late dr. Jay Kirkpatrick
and Dr. John Turner. The presentation by Dr.
John Turner included slides of how these two
renowned scientist brainstormed birth control
for wildlife over 30 yrs ago, from the back of
an old dilapidated van!
From elephants in Africa to urban deer
populations, to wild horses, native PZP works.
It is proving that; with effort and dedication,
humane wildlife management is possible
everywhere.
Simone Netherlands ended her presentation by
stating:
While government agencies are still looking for
the golden goose, PZP is here now, it is
humane and it works. It has saved the Salt River
wild horses and it can save many more. Lets
keep up the fight for humane wild horse
management everywhere!
With thanks to the https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/scienceandconservationcenter?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDR14yZw_4NxGvMExbGzgDNHi66A9VlJGE28YagfZbPj5ICflAepjlMzoltVCI3IhKIF0eFxJgBmZ6NFh8LuX2jaQJtsHgXu4VouHAnBOWo0wqtnESSprupVoaDfC6bRVlAMTm4ueyS8ODYf2nsnJp1JM_w2pVuA_bMOc458VDBzquVD7Pzr_AONoACPNBjf-G4FBqU1EBW8VFj5opU5eW_QypvA6YkA5xRSC-9RPsr3asEIhJuwfUONM_xXBtJjbQjx8dIYMHxt8WQfMtciG_RWjgejTm1XhXOiaAgQKDrTgIakRZOs47-rRhc_0RKjrVZX1xiNWlQVCC_bo6VTySmYA&__tn__=%2ANK-R" rel="nofollow - - - ScienceandConservationCenter (SCC),
and the https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/botstiberinstituteforwildlifefertilitycontrol?source=feed_text&epa=HASHTAG&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDR14yZw_4NxGvMExbGzgDNHi66A9VlJGE28YagfZbPj5ICflAepjlMzoltVCI3IhKIF0eFxJgBmZ6NFh8LuX2jaQJtsHgXu4VouHAnBOWo0wqtnESSprupVoaDfC6bRVlAMTm4ueyS8ODYf2nsnJp1JM_w2pVuA_bMOc458VDBzquVD7Pzr_AONoACPNBjf-G4FBqU1EBW8VFj5opU5eW_QypvA6YkA5xRSC-9RPsr3asEIhJuwfUONM_xXBtJjbQjx8dIYMHxt8WQfMtciG_RWjgejTm1XhXOiaAgQKDrTgIakRZOs47-rRhc_0RKjrVZX1xiNWlQVCC_bo6VTySmYA&__tn__=%2ANK-R" rel="nofollow - - - BotstiberInstituteforWildlifeFertilityControl and
Zoo Montana.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2020 at 1:43pm
Can you imagine shooting wild horses, in the high country, at night, and calling it humane ? Thats now what Parks Victoria propose
Their current plan of management states that no shooting allowed until a review in 2021. But they have ignored their own plan and are now in the process of planning night shooting.
Meantime the Perth Mint has just issued a silver coin glorifying our heritage brumby horse !!!
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 11:28pm
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2020 at 11:56am
https://www.facebook.com/saltriverwildhorsemanagementgroup/?__cft__%5b0%5d=AZWh3eIdORoX_ToGx5WZZlO1MHsE7yd3cJEMCUYlJVCkfekZF9KK9uBX9vam7sVIrRHgFoV2zsDtfNfGbHaIFDeKZd-11-b-DgNYz6N9j1wJYhlO8uYn_9sl511k2jS267N86KmJcsTPtc7ZPfoAW3a5KjR6cJOq0Zb-UYAPtShfbY39eop4lN-aqTdG1fBrdQRpgzFFHY-eq1ma5Vfg8-6cCH4JxlXX7EAIlbT8U4mZdQ&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R" rel="nofollow - A lot here would have seen or read of Picasso, who is one of this group.
https://www.facebook.com/saltriverwildhorsemanagementgroup/?__cft__%5b0%5d=AZWh3eIdORoX_ToGx5WZZlO1MHsE7yd3cJEMCUYlJVCkfekZF9KK9uBX9vam7sVIrRHgFoV2zsDtfNfGbHaIFDeKZd-11-b-DgNYz6N9j1wJYhlO8uYn_9sl511k2jS267N86KmJcsTPtc7ZPfoAW3a5KjR6cJOq0Zb-UYAPtShfbY39eop4lN-aqTdG1fBrdQRpgzFFHY-eq1ma5Vfg8-6cCH4JxlXX7EAIlbT8U4mZdQ&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R" rel="nofollow - If these people can work together, why cant our Govnt work with our wild horse management groups for the same outcome ?
https://www.facebook.com/saltriverwildhorsemanagementgroup/?__cft__%5b0%5d=AZWh3eIdORoX_ToGx5WZZlO1MHsE7yd3cJEMCUYlJVCkfekZF9KK9uBX9vam7sVIrRHgFoV2zsDtfNfGbHaIFDeKZd-11-b-DgNYz6N9j1wJYhlO8uYn_9sl511k2jS267N86KmJcsTPtc7ZPfoAW3a5KjR6cJOq0Zb-UYAPtShfbY39eop4lN-aqTdG1fBrdQRpgzFFHY-eq1ma5Vfg8-6cCH4JxlXX7EAIlbT8U4mZdQ&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R" rel="nofollow - A lot more humane than random shooting from helicopters.
https://www.facebook.com/saltriverwildhorsemanagementgroup/?__cft__%5b0%5d=AZWh3eIdORoX_ToGx5WZZlO1MHsE7yd3cJEMCUYlJVCkfekZF9KK9uBX9vam7sVIrRHgFoV2zsDtfNfGbHaIFDeKZd-11-b-DgNYz6N9j1wJYhlO8uYn_9sl511k2jS267N86KmJcsTPtc7ZPfoAW3a5KjR6cJOq0Zb-UYAPtShfbY39eop4lN-aqTdG1fBrdQRpgzFFHY-eq1ma5Vfg8-6cCH4JxlXX7EAIlbT8U4mZdQ&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R" rel="nofollow - Salt River Wild Horse Management Group
https://www.facebook.com/#" rel="nofollow - 2h
Aim to be humane.
In
all of our proposals and presentations, we predicted that our first
year of fertility control would yield between 15 and 20 foals for 2020
and between 5 and 10 foals for 2021. (Compare to over 100 foals born
last year)
We were right on the money, because we have exactly 15 foals right now and we are not expecting any more this year.
Why is this so important?
Even
now, there are organizations who would still like to see more than a
hundred Salt River wild horses removed from their habitat. Most people
are unaware that the bill to protect the horses from harrassment, does
not actually protect them from removals.
As
you know, we have always advocated for no removals ever, but the
population of Salt River wild horses has admittedly grown a lot over the
past 5 years.
But
removing horses brings many problems with it, like the cost and
logistics of removal, the problem of where to place them and the cost of
feeding them for the rest of their lives. The removal itself brings
confusion of the herd, compensatory reproduction, as well as genetic
issues.
All
those technical problems aside, the public would have the biggest
problem with removing any Salt River wild horses. This community is
attached to each family band on the river and does not want to see them
separated, or treated cruelly, like so many other herds across the
country.
So
we've always promised that we would bring better solutions that would
be a win-win for everyone. We promised that we could reduce the
population in a better, more humane way and without cost to the
government.
PZP
ofcourse has a proven track record, but there's nothing like actually
proving it. Anyone can come see that the Salt River wild horses had very
few babies this year. Some members of the public even complained that
they did not have enough cute babies to photograph. We apologize for
that, because indeed the foals bring much joy to visitors, but our
program is necessary, because an unborn horse is a horse that doesn't
suffer.
Fewer
foals born means a more sustainable population. The foals not born this
year, won't be having any foals in a few years and those foals won't be
having any foals, etc etc, so we are preventing many more than just
this foal crop. We've effectively stabilized the population in the very
first year of results, exactly 2 years after the start of our program.
The
pleasant side effect is that the mares are visibly healthier this year,
it is giving them a break from the constant strain on their bodies and
PZP does not affect their natural behavior; the family bands are still
together and acting the same as they always did.
By
next year the natural death rate will start to exceed the low
birthrate. This means a gradual reduction of the total herd population.
It is this, that is what will afford the Salt River wild horses their
freedom in perpetuity.
This
humane management program is possible because of novel working
relationships between our organization (SRWHMG), the Arizona department
of Agriculture (AZDA) and the US Forest Service. We are very grateful
for their patience and faith in our promises.
We
are right on track to deliver on our predictions for next year. This
month is one of our busiest, with over 65 mares up for their boosters on
our schedule. So when you see one of our darting teams out there,
please encourage them, and thank them for their time, which is
completely unpaid.
Please
join us in this important mission, so that every wild horse born on the
river, can live out it's life in peace on the river.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 11:53am
Collapse of key argument for Barmah Brumby slaughter
One of the Victorian Governments main arguments for shooting all brumbies in the Barmah National Park could collapse.
The Environment Minister Lily DAmbrosio has approved the eradication of the historic brumby population to reduce the impacts and restore the health of the floodplain marshes.
The Joint Management Plan for the park also outlines restoring Moira grasslands and marshes.
But Member for Western Victoria, Bev McArthur, has queried the need for shooting the brumbies given the management plan itself has identified other causes of the habitat loss.
It is the changed irrigation of the park which has been the primary reason.
Before the river was regulated, the forest was flooded in winter from rain and in spring from melting snow upland swelling the streams.
This no longer happens, and its impact is noted in the plan. Restoring an improved water regime is mentioned even before culling, Mrs McArthur has told parliament.
She has also highlighted recent comments to the ABC by a Senior Wetland Ecologist at the Goulburn Broken Catchment Management Authority that the Moira grasses are in excellent condition.
He said it is some of the best Moira Grass I have seen in years.
It is a rather inconvenient statement for those looking on the demise of the grass as the key reason for culling the brumbies, Mrs McArthur said.
While some damage has been caused in the national park by trampling and grazing, the brumbies are not the main culprits, though they are the key scapegoat for Parks Victoria.
Substantial populations of feral pigs, deer, sheep, goats and rabbits are identified in the document.
These populations should be controlled first they have none of the cultural or heritage value.
In combination with improved water regimes, this would likely solve any remaining degradation without resorting to the slaughter of the brumby population.
The Minister has been asked to immediately release the condition reports on the floodplain marshes.
If it turns out the floodplain is recovering even in the presence of a healthy brumby population what remains of the argument for brumby slaughter will collapse altogether.
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Posted By: Bonjour
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2021 at 12:40pm
fiddlesticks!!!! My wife and I owned a Safari Company in Southern Africa! in Consultation with the North West Parks Board and the very large Game Lodge we supported we relocated rhino and elephants up to Zimbabwe, we also castrated the young bull elephants and although that in itself causes some disruption amongst the herds, long term it works......if that Woman in VIC that want to eradicate those beautiful animals, tell her to give me a call......fiddlesticks!
BTW, Game Lodges do not mean shooting lodges, they are Game Farms, our Game Lodges shot animals with cameras and dart guns!!!!
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 23 May 2021 at 11:54pm
For those of you who insist that brumbies are small and weedy and useless, i suggest you have a look at some of these horses.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 24 May 2021 at 6:56pm
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 24 May 2021 at 7:00pm
Brumbies
in the Outback!! With the support and guidance of the local station
owners I was honoured to being able to find the Brumbies in the outback!
Just a few hundred Km's further inland from Broken Hill the drive was
worth it...... it did take a number of hours to settle their flight
response but I gotta say once they did and was able to have a really
good look at them, they did not disappoint! Photo Copyright to Carol
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boy I dont think has ever had his own mob, he does have some age on him
though so I suspect due to getting that eye injury very young, he never
has been able to fight/ coax or steal any mares away. He however is
always surrounded by young colts and takes showing them the way to
adulthood very very seriously. Photo Copyrighted to Carol Hancock
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Posted By: Hello Sunshine
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2021 at 11:43am
The battle over brumbies
The brumbies of Kosciuszko National Park have been the cause of division and debate for decades. Tensions are running high in the NSW high country, as their fate is decided.
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 3:09pm
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3,000 -3,500 square km. of searching by private helicopter charter from Jindabyne for supposedly 15,000 Brumbies running wild in the areas of the apparently the stronghold of Brumbies in the Kosciuszko National Park. I am very sad to report that the three of us counted no more than 150 approx. Brumbies all up. We were searching high and low for the elusive Brumbies to no avail [ we are being totally mislead by the reported numbers !!! ] Although there was plenty of development for Snowy2 in Kosciuszko National Park.
Over 500 images were taken 5th. April 2022. All images are copyright, but everyone is welcome to share any of my images on Facebook.
Cheers Helmut.
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Posted By: Take2
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 1:26am
I would say that as soon as they hear a chopper they are gone, they know a chopper brings death
I have seen many mobs of brumbies years ago up in the snowies near kiandra, on the long plain, every mob was in the 100's end more, apart from the odd few mares and their big foals , even in segregated mobs of all bays browns blacks and chestnuts etc, with no coloured horses, and other mobs the exact opposite with all white grey pieball skewball and not a bay or brown etc in sight
there used to be a magnicient stallion down near the junction of the track along long plain to brindabella, and you guessed it like in the books, he was a black, tried sneaking up on him to get some pics, he was on the side of a hill so me bein a smart ass went round behind him, to get to where he was only to find hed gone round the other way and was gawking at me from the opposite direction to where he was when i saw him
love that country up there, pity the eff it up by slaughtering those lovely animals
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Posted By: Take2
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 1:30am
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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 1:30pm
Beautiful heads , very proud types and lovely photos .
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 1:35pm
Unusual elongated whirl down the neck on the bottom one , could be paddock accident ? maybe not.
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 2:49pm
The black one is magnificent
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 3:57pm
Who ever these people are who count thousands are just plain crazy. Talk to the people who live and ride around the Snowies. Between drought, fires, and trapping , there is nowhere near that number. But if anyone offers to take them up and actually show them, they wont go. They just pluck numbers out of their bums .
The greys around Kiandra are stunners.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:19pm
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:22pm
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Day 16.... “Coming Home” I had the privilege in watching this mob coming back to the plain this afternoon and I gotta say it really brought great joy to my heart.Once arrived the greys stood over one of their favorite grazing patches somewhat bemused for quite some time before actually wondering down and starting to check out their now very much blackened and changed surroundings. No one has visible injuries, and all showing to be not only in good health but good spirits with most members if the herd having a good roll before starting to graze. Photo copyright to Carol Hancock
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:27pm
Today is the one year anniversary of the fires ripping through KNP and Palefaces Territory. As you all know he and his mob, along with Pocket Rocket, Jinka, Bogong and co have not been sighted since and one can only assume with the intensity of the fire and their location at the time they had no chance and perished. Now I could post the best photo I have of him but have chosen to share this photo that I have on my wall sitting alongside Palefaces portrait.......... as this is how I like to remember them. It was taken in March 2019 directly after a rain storm and boy they danced with pure Joy! I look at it everyday with smiling gratitude with all the lessons Paleface and his beloved mob have not only taught me but shared with us all over the years and I cant explain how thankful I am for legacy that they have left behind!! Wherever you are dear King of the Mountain, may the rainbows be bright, the daffodils a plenty and your mares safely by your side. Paleface you were truly the King of the Mountain. Photo Copyright to Carol Hancock
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:30pm
Hi all
Im about to share some images of Arrowboy who we met up with yesterday.
Arrow boy is a bachelor who roams the mountain alone for those who are new to the page.
Arrowboy got his name 18 months ago when two youths ( who thought it would be fun to shoot brumbies with arrows )went up the mountain with bow and arrow. Arrowboy was shot in the shoulder with an arrow. Two brumbies were shot with arrows, one brumby didnt survive.The two youths went to court charged with animal cruelty. One youth received a $500 fine and the other youth got off penalty free.
Arrowboy is a beautiful young bachelor/stallion and as resilent as can be.
He being a bachelor has been in some good tiffs with mature stallions over the last twelve months.
This is just an example of how tough he is. Arrowboy recived this wound on his hind about 14 months ago now and it has healed amazingly well.
I wanted to share these pics to to show that he is one tough cookie who has been in the wars.You can see where he was shot with aroow on his left shoulder.
We all love him to bits..
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Posted By: Dizzy
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 4:51pm
Is there a reason this is in the Racing Forum?
Posted By: QuizAbout
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 9:15pm
Today is the one year anniversary of the fires ripping through KNP and Palefaces Territory. As you all know he and his mob, along with Pocket Rocket, Jinka, Bogong and co have not been sighted since and one can only assume with the intensity of the fire and their location at the time they had no chance and perished. Now I could post the best photo I have of him but have chosen to share this photo that I have on my wall sitting alongside Palefaces portrait.......... as this is how I like to remember them. It was taken in March 2019 directly after a rain storm and boy they danced with pure Joy! I look at it everyday with smiling gratitude with all the lessons Paleface and his beloved mob have not only taught me but shared with us all over the years and I cant explain how thankful I am for legacy that they have left behind!! Wherever you are dear King of the Mountain, may the rainbows be bright, the daffodils a plenty and your mares safely by your side. Paleface you were truly the King of the Mountain. Photo Copyright to Carol Hancock
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I was holding out so much hope that Paleface and crew survived, but now its just realistically been too long for them not to have been spotted :(
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 1:31am
This family have just about sold their souls trying to help the brumbies. They’ve had great results and never stop fighting 🇦🇺👍💪
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 3:49pm
Yes. The horses are very lucky to have this family fighting for them.
I hope all these who want them shot ouright spare a thought , next Monday, for all the thousands of horses, many of them with brumby blood, who went to war and never came home, when they are out at memorial services, saying "we will remember them ".
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Posted By: Take2
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 10:14pm
the joke to end all jokes around the brumbies is the BS surrounding them and the BS around condoned "trail rides" whatever around Kiandra, apparently the HS is different, pure BS to me
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2022 at 10:47pm
Hope you all like this poem as much as we do
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