Menari
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Topic: Menari
Posted By: robbo
Subject: Menari
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 7:30pm
Presumably he is retired to stud - any idea where he goes? Any idea as to fee?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 7:53pm
Dunno, dunno Robbo. Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.
Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.
But my guess re fee? Probably overs at about $27,500.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 8:03pm
MENARI (AUS) | Bay colt 2014 | |
Snitzel Bay 2002 | Redoute's Choice Bay 1996 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Shantha's Choice Bay 1992 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Jesmond Lass | 1970 1975 | 7-a 14> | Dancing Show Bay 1983 | Nijinsky Show Lady | 1967 1976 | 8-f 8-f | Snippets' Lass Bay 1993 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Chestnut 1970 | Silly Season Great Occasion | 1962 1965 | 1-g 7-f | Easy Date Bay 1977 | Grand Chaudiere Scampering | 1968 1970 | 19-b 20-a | Snow Finch Bay 1984 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | A Realgirl Bay 1976 | In Reality Secret Verdict | 1964 1966 | 21-a 2-c | Isurava Brown 2004 | General Nediym Chestnut 1994 | Nediym Bay 1985 | Shareef Dancer Bay 1980 | Northern Dancer Sweet Alliance | 1961 1974 | 2-d 4-r | Nilmeen Chestnut 1973 | Right Royal Nasreen | 1958 1964 | 3-f 9-c | Military Belle Bay 1988 | Without Fear Bay 1967 | Baldric Never Too Late | 1961 1957 | 13-c 4-c | Reticella Brown 1981 | In the Purple Frill | 1966 1969 | 11-d 10-d | Cut a Dash Bay 1991 | Whiskey Road Bay 1972 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Bowl of Flowers Chestnut 1958 | Sailor Flower Bowl | 1952 1952 | 22-b 4-d | Not Enough Brown 1975 | Baguette Brown 1967 | Rego Dark Jewel | 1949 1953 | 5-d 6-c | Oodles Bay 1966 | Alcimedes Several | 1954 1954 | 13-e 18> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m,5m x 5m,5m | | Nijinsky | 5f x 4m |
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 2:23pm
Second Chance wrote:
Dunno, dunno Robbo. Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.
Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.
But my guess re fee? Probably overs at about $27,500. |
That would be a crazy price unless they deal a lot. Not a G1 winner and has broken down twice, I think maybe a wind op. Entering stud when most of the better breeders have already made bookings.
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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 3:52pm
$11k at the most would be suitable
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 6:09pm
Any word yet where he will go ?
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 10:26pm
At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 10:31pm
Any ideas where he’s heading?
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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 12:48pm
linghi11 wrote:
At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners. |
Agree with this - I put him at the 10-15K mark. Whoever it is will probably price him based on 2019 and then negotiate heavily to try to get him a book at a very late stage. The leg and throat problems should result in a risk-adjusted fee lower than what they could otherwise charge.
No word as to where he is going. I reckon Widden given Outreach.
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 3:37pm
Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?
As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?
Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 4:24pm
Red Hare wrote:
Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?
As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?
Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier. |
Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?
He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons.
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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 4:45pm
linghi11 wrote:
Red Hare wrote:
Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?
As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?
Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier. |
Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?
He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons. |
My view is that Pariah at $22K is a joke, and wouldn't happen anywhere else. I am more than happy to support horses that I believe displayed genuine Group 1 potential but didn't quite deliver (Counterattack last year, Bull Point this year) but do so on the basis that I will be getting a commensurate reduction in service fee.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 8:46pm
Exactly robbo, you can’t just charge for every stallion on potential. And I concur on Pariah,
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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:20pm
It is spin and fashion that run the industry , what creates talk, not results, we get it from our office as tradies just waffle, we call it bulla gelatia.
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Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 12:42am
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 12:47am
SC wins with anticipating the insane stallion market!
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Posted By: Hazyview
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 10:49am
It's all very well whining when other people are putting their money on the line, but would anyone stand him for less when you can fill him at this fee?
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 12:20pm
How did he look at the parade?
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 4:18pm
Pretty laid back and just sauntered around with not much interest in proceedings or the crowd. Hard to say as not beefed up yet. Only arrived at the place Thursday night. Both front legs heavily bandaged. Not lame or limping. If you saw him at the parade he wouldnt be one you would gasp and say OMG isnt he handsome. I dunno what to say about him really,,,to explain how he looked, as he just looked like a nice brown horse with a massive white blaze to me If I saw him in a paddock he would just look like another horse. No doubt with time and let down he will bulk up and look more like a stallion .
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 5:38pm
Reckon i've walked away from a few footy seasons looking pretty ragged... did let down fairly quick though
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 11:44pm
[QUOTE=Red Hare]Reckon i've walked away from a few footy seasons looking pretty ragged... did let down fairly quick though [/QUOT
That about sums it up I reckon
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 12:49pm
We saw him too, at the first parade. He was laidback, but the horse is fit and still in the racing groove. Nice type, confirmation. Though it seems he’s done a tendon. Makes sense to me that he take it all in his stride, lot quieter there than a city meet. Unlike Dissident who charged around like a cat on a hot tin roof, now there’s a horse that needs something to do! 😆
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Posted By: willow
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 7:01pm
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 8:03pm
willow wrote:
Problems! |
What sort?
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 8:08pm
Can only be libido or fertility which amount to the same thing or in this case, nothing
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 8:14pm
Or maybe got a kick in the crown jewels, which halted Artie Schiller big time in 2013.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 10:41pm
Gay3 wrote:
Can only be libido or fertility which amount to the same thing or in this case, nothing
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Those are the most likely, but there are always plenty of options for trouble!
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 11:46pm
Fertility supposedly but fair go for the horse himself. Was being asked to be a GR1 superstar & then make an immediate turn around
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 12:13am
Glencoe wrote:
Fertility supposedly but fair go for the horse himself. Was being asked to be a GR1 superstar & then make an immediate turn around |
Absolutely, no time to let down and get his mind on the job
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 12:54pm
Big ask for a young horse. No time at all between race track environment and stallion barn.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 12:57pm
Second Chance wrote:
Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn.... |
Have very little sympathy for the owners, and only a bit more for breeders who booked to him.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 1:11pm
Is he owned by George Altomonte ????
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 1:24pm
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 1:47pm
He’s been syndicated among the regular Newgate people, I think CHC, a few others, Altomonte retaining some
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 2:43pm
Cheers
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 3:10pm
How bad is it anyway? Nothing in foal? Something in foal?
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 3:18pm
Maybe Menari the Ferrari just has 2 flat tyres
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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2019 at 1:32pm
Back in training with Gerald Ryan. Aiming at the Everest.
Only fired 60-odd shots, for less than 20 hits.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2019 at 1:58pm
Make that about 240 shots (60-odd by around 4 per mare) for less....
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