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Topic: Menari
Posted By: robbo
Subject: Menari
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 7:30pm
Presumably he is retired to stud - any idea where he goes? Any idea as to fee?



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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 7:53pm
Dunno, dunno Robbo.  Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.

Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.

But my guess re fee?  Probably overs at about $27,500.  Ouch


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2018 at 8:03pm
MENARI (AUS)Bay colt 2014 
Snitzel
Bay 2002
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass
1970
1975
7-a
14>
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Show Lady
1967
1976
8-f
8-f
Snippets' Lass
Bay 1993
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Snow Finch
Bay 1984
Storm Bird
Bay 1978
Northern Dancer
South Ocean
1961
1967
2-d
4-j
A Realgirl
Bay 1976
In Reality
Secret Verdict
1964
1966
21-a
2-c
Isurava
Brown 2004
General Nediym
Chestnut 1994
Nediym
Bay 1985
Shareef Dancer
Bay 1980
Northern Dancer
Sweet Alliance
1961
1974
2-d
4-r
Nilmeen
Chestnut 1973
Right Royal
Nasreen
1958
1964
3-f
9-c
Military Belle
Bay 1988
Without Fear
Bay 1967
Baldric
Never Too Late
1961
1957
13-c
4-c
Reticella
Brown 1981
In the Purple
Frill
1966
1969
11-d
10-d
Cut a Dash
Bay 1991
Whiskey Road
Bay 1972
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Bowl of Flowers
Chestnut 1958
Sailor
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
22-b
4-d
Not Enough
Brown 1975
Baguette
Brown 1967
Rego
Dark Jewel
1949
1953
5-d
6-c
Oodles
Bay 1966
Alcimedes
Several
1954
1954
13-e
18>
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m,5m x 5m,5m Nijinsky5f x 4m


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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Dunno, dunno Robbo.  Though Corumbene is in the ownership and we can only hope he doesn't end up there.

Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn, thus giving them time to appropriately market the fellow.

But my guess re fee?  Probably overs at about $27,500.  Ouch


That would be a crazy price unless they deal a lot. Not a G1 winner and has broken down twice, I think maybe a wind op. Entering stud when most of the better breeders have already made bookings.

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Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 3:52pm
$11k at the most would be suitable


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 6:09pm
Any word yet where he will go ?


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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 10:26pm
At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners.

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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2018 at 10:31pm
Any ideas where he’s heading?

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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

At 16.5 ot under I’ll send him a mare to upgrade for size, but I’m sick of $22+ for non G1 winners.


Agree with this - I put him at the 10-15K mark. Whoever it is will probably price him based on 2019 and then negotiate heavily to try to get him a book at a very late stage. The leg and throat problems should result in a risk-adjusted fee lower than what they could otherwise charge.

No word as to where he is going. I reckon Widden given Outreach.


Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 3:37pm
Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 4:24pm
Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.


Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?

He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons.

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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 4:45pm
Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Red Hare Red Hare wrote:

Why does he have to win a G1 to justify $22k?

As a breeder, isn't it enough to prove that he was the fastest thing going around at any stage?

Is it genetics fault that he was not right on the days when G1s were run? You could just as easily blame the calendar, or the weather - and that's before turning on the jockey, trainer &/or barrier.


Great story, we’ll use that when selling yearlings - the calendar didn’t suit the mare, so... We have a black type measuring stick and that is just where we are at when justifying freshman stud fees. We have proven stallions like Choisir in the high $20’s so how does a non G1 winner justify the same fee?

He found his mark around Pariah, which had a Blue Diamond 2nd to his name, and stands for $22 - less the break downs and throat problem and by Redoutes who has been more successful than Snitzel with sire sons.


My view is that Pariah at $22K is a joke, and wouldn't happen anywhere else. I am more than happy to support horses that I believe displayed genuine Group 1 potential but didn't quite deliver (Counterattack last year, Bull Point this year) but do so on the basis that I will be getting a commensurate reduction in service fee.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 8:46pm
Exactly robbo, you can’t just charge for every stallion on potential. And I concur on Pariah,

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Posted By: goldey
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:20pm
It is spin and fashion that run the industry , what creates talk, not results, we get it from our office as tradies just waffle, we call it bulla gelatia.


Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 12:42am
To newgate, @$27,500


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 12:47am
SC wins with anticipating the insane stallion market!

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Posted By: Hazyview
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2018 at 10:49am
It's all very well whining when other people are putting their money on the line, but would anyone stand him for less when you can fill him at this fee?


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 12:20pm
How did he look at the parade?

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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 4:18pm
Pretty laid back and just sauntered around with not much interest in proceedings  or the crowd.  Hard to say as not beefed up yet. Only arrived at the place Thursday night.  Both front legs heavily bandaged.  Not lame or limping.  If you saw him at the parade he wouldnt be one you would gasp and say OMG isnt he handsome.  I dunno what to say about him really,,,to explain how he looked,  as he just looked like a nice brown horse with a massive white blaze to me LOL  If I saw him in a paddock he would just look like another horse.  No doubt with time and let down he will bulk up and look more like a stallion .


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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 5:38pm
Reckon i've walked away from a few footy seasons looking pretty ragged... did let down fairly quick though LOL


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 11:44pm
[QUOTE=Red Hare]Reckon i've walked away from a few footy seasons looking pretty ragged... did let down fairly quick though LOL[/QUOT

That about sums it up I reckon  Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2018 at 12:49pm
We saw him too, at the first parade. He was laidback, but the horse is fit and still in the racing groove. Nice type, confirmation. Though it seems he’s done a tendon. Makes sense to me that he take it all in his stride, lot quieter there than a city meet. Unlike Dissident who charged around like a cat on a hot tin roof, now there’s a horse that needs something to do! 😆

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Posted By: willow
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 7:01pm
Problems!


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 8:03pm
Originally posted by willow willow wrote:


Problems!


What sort?

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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 8:08pm
Can only be libido or fertility which amount to the same thing or in this case, nothing Smile

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 8:14pm
Or maybe got a kick in the crown jewels, which halted Artie Schiller big time in 2013.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by Gay3 Gay3 wrote:

Can only be libido or fertility which amount to the same thing or in this case, nothing Smile


Those are the most likely, but there are always plenty of options for trouble!

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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 11:46pm
Fertility supposedly but fair go for the horse himself. Was being asked to be a GR1 superstar & then make an immediate turn around


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 12:13am
Originally posted by Glencoe Glencoe wrote:


Fertility supposedly but fair go for the horse himself. Was being asked to be a GR1 superstar & then make an immediate turn around


Absolutely, no time to let down and get his mind on the job

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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 12:54pm
Big ask for a young horse.  No time at all between race track environment and stallion barn.


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 12:57pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

  Easy to be smart after the event however they should've pulled the pin when he went wrong in the Autumn....

Have very little sympathy for the owners, and only a bit more for breeders who booked to him.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 1:11pm
Is he owned by George Altomonte ????


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 1:24pm
Essentially AA.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 1:47pm
He’s been syndicated among the regular Newgate people, I think CHC, a few others, Altomonte retaining some

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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 2:43pm
Cheers Thumbs Up


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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 3:10pm
How bad is it anyway? Nothing in foal? Something in foal?

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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 3:18pm
Maybe Menari the Ferrari just has 2 flat tyres Wink


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Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2019 at 1:32pm
Back in training with Gerald Ryan. Aiming at the Everest.

Only fired 60-odd shots, for less than 20 hits.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2019 at 1:58pm
Make that about 240 shots (60-odd by around 4 per mare) for less.... Embarrassed



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