Gold Mag
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Topic: Gold Mag
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Subject: Gold Mag
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2018 at 9:43pm
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Just catching up with some replays and surprised no one has mentioned this fellows win last Wednesday at Sandown Closely related to the talented Sangster. I wonder what his goals will be over the coming months |
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 8:21pm
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Are they betting on how far tomorrow? ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 8:39pm
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Ben Hayes talked about him and possible aims on Trackwork this week: http://www.racing.com/shows/track-work" rel="nofollow - https://www.racing.com/shows/track-work |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 8:59pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAgTtx7j-08%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAgTtx7j-08
Stable best from David Hayes. They expect him to go to much higher levels. Pros: Time was good for the day and L600 was very good at Sandown; drawn to go wherever they want. Cons: Beat nothing; never raced down straight; this field is much stronger I can see why people like him as he looks to have the most potential but for me at evens he's unders against some fair straight performers.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:04pm
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By Savabeel out of a High Chaparral mare he's bred to run 2400m so to be so smart over sprint trips bodes well for his career. Quite strongly related to Sangster (by Savabeel out of Gold Mag's granddam) which won VRC Derby and G1 in NZ over 3200m.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:19pm
| Ben Hayes suggested the Emirates Stakes over 2000m might be a race he could run in if he lives up to expectations. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:31pm
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Rarely do you see a 2000m horse run that fast over 1100m and 1200m, even early in their career. If he does, he will be close enough to a champion given he'll be a stayer with a turn of foot. But usually they end up enigmas - bred to stay but sprint. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:43pm
When trained by Australians. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Sunline wrote:Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2018 at 9:46pm
You are proabably right, but he just might be a top class middle distance horse.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 4:31pm
| Not criticising the ride but suspect he was ridden too close and will do better held up, over further, around a turn, and with a more solid early pace (lol, asking for a lot really). Thoughts? |
Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 5:27pm
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David Hayes said he thought that he didn’t handle the straight. ------------- This space has been intentionally left blank |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 5:37pm
Not the first good one not to, and won't be the last.
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Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:03pm
What good ones have not handled the straight?
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:19pm
| I’m not generally sold on this whole “straight” thing. More likely he’s looking for further, he raced like it... or he’s not that good. |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:33pm
Agree. Probably both.
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Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:35pm
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I think some horses just race better when they have a rail next to them and a bend to go around. It’s how they learn from a young age, so that’s what they look for. Horses are smart, they remember every little detail. Some of them just get lost out in the open. ------------- This space has been intentionally left blank |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:44pm
It is a firthy that horses learn this from a young age. The vast majority of tbe time they are working beyond witches hats. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:49pm
 I was a race horse trainer in the Western Districts for 29 years I think I know how horses a trained. ------------- This space has been intentionally left blank |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:56pm
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More fact than furphy I'd have thought djebel. He raced with his head on the side most of the way yesterday. Also had no cover. Still, the expectations were much higher than the delivery.
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 6:56pm
| There’s no doubt some horses race better at certain tracks than others. Some might prefer say Randwick or Eagle Farm rather than Rosehill or Doomben. But I’m not convinced it goes much beyond that. And as Bonfield suggested, I’m yet to see a top class sprinter not “handle” the straight. |
Posted By: Such Is Life
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 7:13pm
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I had $500 to win on him yesterday and after looking at the replay several times will double my bet on him next start (hopefully over 1400m around a bend). He looked lost surrounded by horses and never looked comfortable in the run. His last 100m was his best of the race after shoving off a horse laying on top of him in the final furlong. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 7:17pm
The straight debate will go on forever. Suffice to say that apart from the very top drawer (Vain etc) I can't recall any horse being labelled top class after just two runs in restricted company. I'm happy to wait and watch. Breeding suggests to me that 1100/1200m won't be his forte. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 7:47pm
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He is simply a typical example of a middle distance staying type that shows speed and typically Australian trainer runs him into the ground over unsuitably short trips. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 8:22pm
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I thought her an well but agree with the distance theory. If you watch the race, he is with the leaders at the 300m then they sprint and he is left behind a little, but he rallies to finish second and pass the others in the last 100m. I think 1400 m will be beneficial, but he will not be a group contender until he hits 1600m at the minimum. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Bonfield
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2018 at 8:51pm
| IMO Hayes tends to if anything overtrain his horses rather than having them fresh. Given his breeding Gold Mag should have either gone up to 1400m+ 3rd up, or kept him very fresh for 1200m. He simply raced too dour for 1200m. After all he's bred to run 2400m. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 8:03am
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Back today. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 8:38am
Hope it’s in stunning fashion 
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Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 8:45am
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I like this horse, but think Tin Hat might have his measure today. ------------- This space has been intentionally left blank |