Freshman stallions of 18/19
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Topic: Freshman stallions of 18/19
Posted By: linghi11
Subject: Freshman stallions of 18/19
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 12:11pm
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Hi everyone! It’s that time of the year when we may be hearing, from our trainers and stable spies, how next season’s 1st season sires are hitting the straps. Anyone have any interesting insights to share? ------------- to the victor |
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Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 1:01pm
| Have heard from a few that the Deep Fields are mature physically but not coping too well mentally. Also was looking at a mare in foal to Dissident at MM recently and was told to steer clear by a few other breeders. Haven't heard anything specific but being told that Dissident may struggle. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 1:09pm
Looking at Dissident weanlings they seem very hit and miss, and the miss isn’t pretty!  ------------- to the victor |
rem286 wrote:Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 1:44pm
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Though brilliant Deep Field didn't start until he was rising 4 so that might give a clue as to why his stock may be mentally immature. Interesting what was said about Dissident. Really loved one of his on paper and was very surprised she only made Book 2 at Easter. Must of been one of the ordinary types.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 2:16pm
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Couldn't give the Hallowed Crown youngsters away at the sales, which totally surprised me as he was a top galloper from a performing female family. It'll be interesting to see how he goes, though he probably wan't get early comers. Down here in Vic there were mixed opinions about the Brazen Beau yearlings, but haven't heard any subsequent reports.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 3:03pm
I think it’s where he stands, they just don’t promote their stallions well enough to sell. ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Fastnetrock
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 4:08pm
| Will be the same as this season a Qld sire to kick ass. Better Than Ready. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 4:24pm
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Any opinions on the speedy Encosta 2yo Rubick?
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 4:51pm
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Both of the above had very large books so they shouldn't lack opportunity. Each of Encosta and More Than Ready have one really successful sire son, so they're probably due.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 4:58pm
| I heard he damaged his stifle as a youngster and wasn’t expected to be able to race? Hence the late start |
Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 5:00pm
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In the past I’ve heard disparaging comments from supposed good judges, regarding the the look and type of the overall first crop yearlings of Redoubtes Choice, Sebring and Pierro. I don’t listen to comments regarding yearling types produced by new stallions anymore. But I do take interest in hearing comments regarding performance and ability shown. |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 5:18pm
Dam half to Redoubtes Choice a plus. Outside chance but for me No. |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 6:21pm
| You are on the money Cityboy. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 7:02pm
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All very well, however yearling purchasers, be they experienced "good judges" or otherwise, need to make value judgements when inspecting youngsters. And when expending big bucks it's entirely excusable to put a line through those whose physical weaknesses might present potential problems. Though those those looking at your Llonhro's and Pierro's might forgive their frequent alignment faults given the breed's apparent ability, for the most part, to overcome them.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 7:50pm
Deep Field? Can anyone confirm? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 8:16pm
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Yes, got badly kicked coming off the track & think it was a fracture or close to one. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 9:03pm
Is that a confirmed story?  It’s horse racing/breeding - wouldn’t put it past anyone in this business to make up a story as an excuse for lack of 2yo prowess. ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 9:42pm
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I will confirm Lingy. It was 10 lengths clear in a Group 1, only 200 metres to run would you believe and it jumped a shadow on the track and fractured it's sesamoid bone. In what was described as a freak of nature it hung on to run 12th. The Vet scan failed to pick up the fracture due to a power outage at the Vet Clinic. We were due to take the prospective stallion back for a scan however it got a throat infection and could not travel. I can hear you thinking 'why not get a Vet to come to you and yes, your right however upon reflection why go to that expense? We would only have to increase the Service Fee and that would only hurt you the paying customer. We at 'We All Know Its Bullgelati Thoroughbreds' value our customer relationships too much to waste money on fictitious Vetinary services. ------------- Jim |
Posted By: Paul Hogan
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 9:44pm
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We at 'We All Know Its Bullshiit Thoroughbreds' ------------- Jim |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 11:27pm
So that was the reason for Deep Field’s retirement rather than the reason he didn’t race early? I though that people meant that it prevented him from starting as a youngster. Was he mentally immature early? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 11:34pm
You must concede that there would be quite a few stallions at stud who do not have the full vet disclosure attached to them, but they’re invariably “the fastest ever trained” and “most talented horse in the yard”. No one says it did a throat and is full of knee chips. I’m just a fan of full disclosure. ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 9:34am
| Not sure "Full Disclosure" is a known concept in this industry |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 12:09pm
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I heard Wayne about 4yrs ago on a Sat morning pre race in Melb when he was asked why so long to get going. He sounded 100% genuine about the stifle kick, dirty to a degree but then said it may've been a blessing in disguise. ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 7:15pm
| For clarity - I was told from a very good source that DF didn’t make it to the track early in his career because of a potentially career ending stifle injury. As we know he did race but not until late. There must be people who can verify this? |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 7:20pm
| Er, read the prior post. |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 7:23pm
| I was looking at Paul Hogan’s |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 8:26pm
Exactly what I mean - did he have an old stifle injury, from being kicked, flare up in the Galaxy resulting in his retirement? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 11:21pm
I like the look of the new boy at Yarraman Park,,,, Hellbent. Looks verra verra nice, and they do have the knack  ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 7:49am
Must say I was quite shocked with the $27.5k price tag on this bloke.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 11:07am
I have to say - they’d have to pay me to send a mare to him. Alas he’s not having runners this coming season so he doesn’t belong in the thread  ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 1:12pm
Sorry  Wasnt thinking  ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 2:01pm
No apologies needed - it could’ve easily been about stallions new to stud. ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 11:55am
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Anyone have any Shooting to Wins 2yos in work? Any mail on them? ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 7:47pm
None for myself but have heard a few good reports. Few stables that I have contact with are saying that some of them will run early and have shown a bit of potential. Haven't heard of any getting massive raps yet but still early days.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2018 at 11:37pm
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Thanks rem! ------------- to the victor |
Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 6:44pm
Correct. well picked------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work. |
Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 8:44pm
| Brazen Beau getting a few early. |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2019 at 10:17pm
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Yeah,,Better Than Ready is doing well. ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 7:20am
| Better Than Ready is really performing well. I didn't mind the Shooting to Wins at the sale but plenty of people really hated them. Shows my eye is off sometimes. One of my favourite mares who I follow stock from had one sell to WA while I marked a few others also all under $100K so maybe the trainers didn't like them. I wouldn't worry about him till his three year olds come out to play though. |
Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 7:27am
I posed the same question about Shooting To Win to someone in the industry the other day, i.e. why the market was taking such a set against them. The reply was more based on temperament concerns as opposed to type. There is a good opinion of his filly that won at Canterbury. The other freshman stallion (and incidentally barn-mate) that interests me is Hallowed Crown. Only one runner so far, which isn't surprising, but given the market didn't love him last year, one can assume that they'll be cheap at Magics and Classic. |
Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 7:40am
Regarding Shooting To Win, there are several reasons why he was not as popular in the ring as his half brother. The main reason being Darley/Godolphin. Many stallions from Darley just don't get the early interest at sales. Possibly due to lack of promotion and also the absence of Darley at the sales ring. Obviously this has changed a little since Vin Cox came along but their stallions just do not get the level of hype as other farms. Secondly, it wasn't the best crop of 3yo that he performed against so I guess people are a bit worried there too. Personally, I like him though. Won at 2, G1 at three, nice page and a nice type. I have a colt foal by him and he is a great type.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2019 at 8:13am
| Good luck with it. Hope the market shows something this year. That usually shows if the trainers have a good one with a young stallion. |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 5:58pm
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If I was selling yearlings at Melbourne Premier by any of this crop of sires (apart from Better than Ready) I'd be very nervous Am prepared to cut some slack for both Wandjina & Dissident I know it is early but I am starting to query the ROI on a Brazen Beau purchase It would be nice to be wrong
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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 11:06pm
| Brazen Beau still has the Golden Slipper favourite, also has Accession who is handy, hardly going badly. |
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 9:36am
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$800k for the Brazen Beau colt at Premier. Still plenty of believers. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 9:42am
| Based on his page was about a $250k job imo, so there's certainly some hype around the stallion. |
Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 10:24am
| Or the colt Xrayed very well and was a particularly good looker, good walker with a great disposition .😀😁😉 |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 10:30am
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Another BB colt just went for $575k ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 10:17pm
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My point re BB is regarding return on investment. Is he upgrading mares for people to pay that sort of money? At those prices & on early indications there is plenty of room for doubt. I did say I would be happy to be wrong
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 12:39am
| Agree, more than a few appear to have sold for "overs". Some buyers will make money, most won't. |
Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 9:08am
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The Chinese have entered the market and it looks like they are trying to outbid each other. Where would the industry be without them. Scary if they decide to leave.
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 9:14am
if you know what you are looking at , is a beautiful animal.
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 9:15am
sellers doing ok as well.
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Posted By: Glencoe
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2019 at 9:05am
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I didn't mean to put the mock on Brazen Beau that much. Tassort & Accession both spelling & another 15 2y.o's that have had a run yet to win I have a feeling the breed is soft legged & I am open to criticism or informed knowledge
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2019 at 9:13am
Well that goes without saying given buyers are arguably paying overs.
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Posted By: Brudder_A
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 4:08am
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Spendthrift Farm's Bolt d'Oro
who served both his first Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere books
last year (2019), with 104 mares covered in Australia at a debut fee of
AU$13,750 will not be shuttling back to OZ this year. Garry Cuddy - "We are disappointed to announce that Bolt d'Oro will not shuttle to
Australia in 2020 due to him not handling the shuttle process last
season. Our decision has been made with the welfare of the
horse in mind."
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 8:11am
Brazen Beau had a stakes winner overnight in England
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