Dark Dream
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Topic: Dark Dream
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Dark Dream
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:15pm
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How many of you guys backed Dark Dream last start ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:30pm
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He beat me two starts ago, then I got on last start and was already heavily invested for today. Great ride and win. Looked the winner a long way out. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:48pm
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No matter what way you watch today's race the winner is the best horse coming out of it. He settles perfectly. He acts on all going. He has tactical speed. He stays at least 2200m. I was on the runner up and can not complain about anything.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:05pm
| Yet on the dam-side bred to go fast for 995m and then faint. |
Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:12pm
Isn’t that damline the one that has given us other Derby winners including LEICA LOVER and NOTHIN LEICA DANE? |
Second Chance wrote:Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:20pm
| Go back a bit SC it is the Lady Chester family of which the above two are members. While All American has a great mudder stayer in Strawberry Road in his pedigree so we should of know it would swim. Actually hate to sound silly but where are the nay sayers for a middle distance horses. The three year olds have swept the board and the Brisbane Cup was 1st, 2nd and 3rd. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:27pm
| Yes indeed, however the last four generations have departed a very long way away from the earlier tail female line, commencing when Leica Chance went to Kingdom Bay.There's no Sir Tristram, Pretendre or Ribot in this pedigree as was the case with Nothin Leica Dane and Leica Lover. |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:28pm
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If I have ever seen a 4yo who would be suited to the Cox Plate, he is it. Of course the MV track is one which has hindered Sydney horses, and her majesty is back for an encore, but as stated he can sit up on speed, he handles all conditions and can run good time. He could have run a good second today, and he would have been praised (the runner up with the aid of the inside had his chance to win), but he knuckled down and I have nothing but respect for the owners not taking the Hong Kong offer  Spring here we come  ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:39pm
| Second dam is a half sister to Willy Leica who was second in a Grand Prix in Brisbane and won to 2000m. There is also a chance of horses for courses. Is Dark Dream a true stayer now he has won a Derby, which incidentally was run on an odd distance at Doomben. Had the race been run at Eagle Farm, there is probably little doubt we would be talking about Youngstar right now. She is the horse to follow out of the race. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:45pm
She would still have had to make up a lot of ground. He settled midfield and mad a mid race move before settling again. I would imagine he had been just as strong at the end of 2400m at Eagle Farm as he was at 2200m at Doomben. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:53pm
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Good post. Thing is the tail female line is essentially speedbased, yet for the most part its better performers over recent years are when the females have been covered by strongly bred sires. Willy Leica being the latest, his dam having visited a sire from the Sadler's Wells sire line. Sorry if we're boring the racing fans.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 6:36pm
| Latarmiss was a very underrated sire, but closely related to Green Desert, Twining and Press Card, all pretty much speed stallions. With Sadler's Wells being a full brother to another predominant speed influence in Fairy King, that would support a theory that the female line is responsible for Dark Dream getting a little further than his pedigree would appear to suggest at least on face value. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 6:40pm
| Every year people get carried away with Qld 3yo form. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 6:51pm
Which doesn't mention that Green Desert, Twining and Press Card all hail from predominantly sprinter/miler sire lines. And would also query Fairy King as a "speed influence" internationally. But we digress. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 8:00pm
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Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 8:34pm
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In case it hasn't been mentioned KERRY PARKER learnt from the astute LES BRIDGE. (I think)...Carioca,input please.
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Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 8:34pm
| Les won the MELBOURNE CUP with KENSAI |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:33pm
Do they? I feel like QLD form is generally under rated. Coming up here 'makes' a lot of young horses. Winx, Press Statement, Zoustar all really developed into the stars they were from their trips to Queensland.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 10:01pm
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To clarify - Every year people get carried away with Qld 3yo form immediately after the races. Winx is the exception to every rule. Have a look at the Qld Derby and Oaks winners and Melb spring feature race winners. Duplicates are rare. Waller is one of few who targets Qld with late comers - like The Autumn Sun.
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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 10:06pm
| Just recently we've had fairly good horses in Oaks and Derbies up here. Winx/Werther/Egg Tart are all fairly top draw horses. Obviously it's hit and miss between the years, but I feel like they're just as good a form reference if not better than the Victorian/SA/NSW equivalents. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 10:35pm
Yes he did a Red Hunter, according to a story I have read spent 5 years with Les, he would have been a good man to work for , I left Sydney in /66 so KP would have been there well after, he seems well grounded and that's a gutsy horse he's got. |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 11:58am
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 2:45pm
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Done a slight stats test. Since 2000, the Caulfield Cup has seen 8 winners and 16 placegetters come through the Sydney classics (including the Rosehill Guineas and Vinery Stakes in that). Queensland has seen 1 win (Ethereal) + 3 4ths. I thought Gai's Tullamore had raced in Brisbane but I can not find any reference, and he ran third in 2011 at Caulfield. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 2:50pm
I am always sceptical about the right formlines for ANY race. Where did Boom Time come from ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 5:13pm
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I am sure that he ran in the W.A.Derby as a 3yo djebel, but Jamal would be able to confirm or deny that. I seem to remember him running 4th to the top filly of a few seasons back. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: horlicks
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 5:31pm
| Ran 3rd to Delicacy in the 2015 WA Derby |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 5:37pm
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There is just no hard and fast way of directing a horse to either Cup. You have to make your selection/s on an individual basis. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 8:11am
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Owner Mary Jane Basson hoping Dark Dream can smoke his rivals on way to spring carnival glory June 10, 2018 5:53pm NATHAN EXELBYThe Courier-Mail OWNER Mary Jane Basson has already knocked back a $2 million offer for her Queensland Derby winning “baby” Dark Dream, who she now hopes can take her all the way to spring carnival glory. Whether that is this year, or next, Basson doesn’t mind. “He’s still growing. After he has a spell he will come back a bigger, better and more powerful horse than he already is,” she said. “He’s a work in progress. We will see how he enjoys his spell. Clearly Melbourne is the goal, if not this year, definitely next year. He will let us know.” Dark Dream is an unlikely Group 1 winner, as he is from a mare that was saved from a doomed fate because Basson happened to be in the right place at the right time. “I was at a broodmare sale, with no intention of buying a broodmare,” Basson explained on Radio TAB’s Past The Post. “I was with a friend having coffee in the sun and suddenly I saw this beautiful grey mare in the ring that was about to be knocked down to the ‘doggers’ and I put my hand up and for the princely sum of $800 Buchanan Girl became mine. “We went to All American first up, we got a filly the first time who was regrettably struck by lightning when she was a yearling. She was an outstanding type and it broke my heart. “So I went back to All American and the second time we got Dark Dream. As a baby he had a rather prominent parrot mouth and very wonky legs and was nothing like his beautifully conformed sister. “To have one struck by lightning and one turn around and win the Derby I think it’s the same odds for both events happening.” Offers have been rolling in for Dark Dream for a number of weeks. In particular after he dominated the Rough Habit Plate last month. But Basson has politely declined all offers. “I knocked back $2 million, which was an extraordinarily generous offer, but he’s like my baby and you just can’t sell family, it’s as simple as that,” she said. “I said to Kerry (Parker) a number of years ago I would get him his first Group 1 and to come good on that promise has been a marvellous thing for both of us and indeed the whole stable.” Dark Dream is yet to miss a place in 10 starts, with his ‘worst’ effort being third in the Grand Prix, where he lost a shoe and “about two inches of wall on either side”, plus having a nail pierce through the sole of his foot. “We iced it the first day, poulticed it for another two days to make sure there was no infection, then the farrier put the shoe on and he was as good as gold,” Basson said. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 10:38am
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Great story that, noticed a lot of hoof filler to build up the wall on tv , the farrier has done a top job, congratulations all round.
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Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 12:05pm
| Yes a fantastic story. I hope it gets better and he wins the Melbourne Cup for them. But $2m was a great offer for a gelding. I would’ve snapped it up in a flash. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 12:13pm
| Just wondering, was it in HK dollars?....do they pay tax on the sale? |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 12:27pm
Forget that post lol, of course it would be in Oz dollars. 
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 9:55pm
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No tax on sale unless you're a business and deducting the losses. Very few outside of farms and serious professional operations would be able to stack up a professional operation that presents to the ATOP as a genuine business that earns income and has a legitimate hope of returning a profit. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 10:19pm
| Thanks Sunny. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 8:41am
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The above reads back quite confusing. What I meant was the ATO doesn't just let anyone say their racing interests are a business, as they know racing interests lose money and they're in no hurry to support the majority of actvity being deducting losses. Their idea is you need to demonstrate a viable business that has a model that can show a plan to be profitable, otherwise it isn't a business. Therefore if you can't do that and you can't deduct losses, they can't then demand a cut of the profits when they arrive. It's similar to professional punting. Gone are the days where you ran around picking up losing tickets to show a loss! ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 3:30pm
Dark Dream taken off Kerry Parker http://www.racenet.com.au/news/dark-dream-taken-off-kerry-parker-20180628" rel="nofollow - https://www.racenet.com.au/news/dark-dream-taken-off-kerry-parker-20180628
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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 3:42pm
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This is scarcely believable. Home bred horse who wins a Group 1 and is the subject of a $2.5M offer and they want to change trainers? Especially after Parker did such a great job to get him right after the Grand Prix? What's going on? |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 3:48pm
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4 https://www.racenet.com.au/news/dark-dream-taken-off-kerry-parker-20180628#rn_disqus_thread" rel="nofollow - Comments https://www.racenet.com.au/tracks/nsw/kembla" rel="nofollow - Kembla trainer Kerry Parker has revealed he will no longer be the trainer of Group I https://www.racenet.com.au/group-one-races/queensland-derby" rel="nofollow - Queensland Derby winner https://www.racenet.com.au/horse/dark-dream" rel="nofollow - Dark Dream . The son of All American provided Parker with the biggest win of his training career earlier this month but in a meeting with owners this week he was informed he would no longer be the trainer. “Dark Dream’s going elsewhere,” Parker said. “I knew for a little while that he was going, I’d sensed it before the https://www.racenet.com.au/tracks/wa/derby" rel="nofollow - Derby but officially I found out this week. “We spoke face to face here the other day. They pretty much said it’s not you, it’s me. “They said they were looking for change, or something – they’re going to spread their wings and place their horses elsewhere. “I’m not the first trainer to lose a horse and I won’t be the last but it’s a shame it is Dark Dream, that’s for sure. “He’s a talented horse and I wish him all the best.” Under Parker’s care Dark Dream won four races from 10 starts and earnt connections $596,518 in prizemoney. Parker was uncertain as to who would train the horse in the future. Furthermore, Red Dream which is raced in the same interests as Dark Dream, has also been removed from Parker's care. ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 3:58pm
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Good decision IMO. Racing is a business, to be the best you have to join the best. Hopefully joins either Waller, Weir or Hayes. ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:09pm
Surely if racing is a business, you just pocket the $2.5M? |
Posted By: Smoke and Mirrors
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:12pm
Can’t answer what I’m not an owner. But obviously they Think he can win more than that here so good luck to them I say ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:15pm
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Owners are entitled to send the horse wherever they like. However the decision is nonetheless disgraceful imo.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:20pm
What do you mean get him right after the Grand Prix ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:21pm
If he enters one of those 3 yards you can be 100% certain they will not be training him. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:28pm
It was reported that he lost a shoe in the Grand Prix, a fair chunk of the hoof wall and also had a nail pierce the frog. He had to be poulticed for a couple of days, which is scarcely ideal with only a fortnight between the GP and the Derby. I thought it was an excellent training performance. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:29pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:50pm
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The story is on the previous page djebel. Owners can do what they want but it seems an odd move when the horse is in peak form rather than failing to live up to expectations. The last thing racing needs is for him to go to a mega stable like Weir, Waller or HHD.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 4:57pm
Let me tell them right here right now. He is a gelding, He will not get bigger and better for a spell. If he does not get the job done this spring He will never succeed in the spring. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 5:01pm
Who ever comes out as the new trainer It will be fair to say the trainer has "snatched" the horse from Parker. The owners have OBVIOUSLY been offered too good an offer to refuse. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 5:10pm
| What sort of offers world trainers make to “poach” one like this? Would take more than “free training” for a horse earning millions, surely? |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 5:12pm
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I have no idea what TJ used to offer but he obviously had a sales pitch that worked. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 5:13pm
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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2018 at 5:19pm
In that light, I see Red Dream, who is owned in the same connections, also has a "Transferred" status on Racing Australia. |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 1:51pm
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Owner has decided to relocate all her horses to Melbourne. |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 1:56pm
The owner has decided to move all of her horses to Victoria. That is all. She will be paying the fees as per everyone else. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 2:07pm
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Sounds like Weiry PoP. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 2:09pm
At this stage it’s between Weir or Hayes. |
Posted By: Kylez
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 2:24pm
Source? I have very reliable information that this is not the case. |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 2:37pm
Doesnt have a good track record when taking on other horses. Weir by a long way!
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 2:44pm
Interesting. My source is confidential but I can say it's from someone very close to a party involved. |
Posted By: Hoffy95
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 2:55pm
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Richie Callandar tweeted yesterday it was off to Paul Perry. Might end back with Parker the way it's going!
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 3:01pm
If you are looking for a boutique trainer in Melbourne. I'm available. Haven't had any starters yet so my record is unblemished 
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 3:03pm
| I heard that the horse has been poached |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 3:08pm
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Well only time will tell. Both trainers mentioned get a number of horses from other stables, but one is rather more into inducing potential clients to jump ship than the other.
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Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 6:15pm
A new trainer hasn't been decided...  If it had indeed gone to Perry I would be surprised. Snowden & Hawkes should be at the top of the list. ------------- " In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win" |
Posted By: anabel
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 6:24pm
| I don’t get the secrecy and speculation... why not just move the horse, make a statement and move on. Surely they had it all planned. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 6:33pm
Absolutely correct. You don't move horses without having decided where they're going.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 6:41pm
No way in the world would you either of those yards a potential Cups horse. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 6:53pm
From what I’ve heard there’s an ownership dispute so it may be not that simple |
Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 6:57pm
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That's a fair point djebel. When did the last Queensland derby winner win or was competitive in the cups ?? ------------- " In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win" |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 6:59pm
| Look at poor Magicool. Last spring he couldn’t even win a St Arnaud Cup |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2018 at 7:00pm
| But we digress... |
Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2018 at 6:12am
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Moonee valley cup , zipping classic etc etc. That's what they should be looking at with dark dream. The record of Queensland derby winners is a horror show. The point I'm trying to make is it's important to put the horse with somebody who can temper the owners ambitions with realism. Dark Dream would not be competitive in the cups this year unless it improves dramatically. Youngstar however has an amazing turn of foot and plenty of upside. ------------- " In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win" |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2018 at 9:57am
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Considering there is only one winner of a Caulfield Cup in any one year the formlines of all horses is pretty limited. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2018 at 12:15pm
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Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2018 at 12:28pm
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I reckon they should set him for the Emirates, on the final day, or whatever it's called now. 2000m lot of money. ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2018 at 6:35pm
| So are we anywhere better placed to know just who's poached the fellow? |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 12:46am
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John Moore. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 5:37pm
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So if that is the case, he will be off to Hong Kong like their previous Queensland Derby winner Eagle Way. This horse could have been a top performer for the next three seasons here, at home. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 7:00pm
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I was inebriated when I said that, Sorry. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2018 at 7:03pm
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So much for: “I knocked back $2 million, which was an extraordinarily generous offer, but he’s like my baby and you just can’t sell family, it’s as simple as that,” she said." ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2018 at 6:07pm
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Racing.com have just posted confirmation of Hong Kong sale. Flies out next month, new trainer not announced. |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2018 at 6:59pm
F#@k me sideways  ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2018 at 7:13pm
| Geez, I wonder what the ended up paying for him? Couldn't sell him for 400k back in January and wouldn't sell him for 2m until recently. |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2018 at 10:09am
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Hong Kong outlet https://t.co/LbIczG24Uf" rel="nofollow - is reporting that Dark Dream has been bought by Albert Hung, who has had the likes of Rapper Dragon (pictured) and Ruthven recently. Hung transferred his horses from John Moore to Frankie Lor in May, so Lor might get Dark Dream?
From Andrew Hawkins twitter
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 4:37pm
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http://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2176688/frankie-lor-thinking-hong-kong-derby-glory-dark-dream-debuts-sha-tin" rel="nofollow - https://www.scmp.com/sport/racing/article/2176688/frankie-lor-thinking-hong-kong-derby-glory-dark-dream-debuts-sha-tin ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 5:04pm
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I see the SA Derby winner is also running in that race djebel. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 5:14pm
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At a mile. It is nice to see. If they'd stayed here they'd be having 3 or 4 starts each before they got to a mile this time in. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 6:31pm
| That race they're in has been an absolute banger recently Eagle Way won it in 2016, Werther in 15 and Able Friend in 13 |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 5:12pm
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Just watched his race and had to have a look to see who rode him. That was a terrible ride. Can not believe Zac Purton could ride that poorly. I genuinely expected to see a different name on board. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 5:52pm
| What was so bad about it? |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 5:54pm
Did you watch it ? It was like watching a 5 kilo claimer, He constantly had the horse up on the steel over racing. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 5:59pm
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https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/video/play.asp?type=replay-full&date=20181209&no=06&lang=eng%20" rel="nofollow - https://racing.hkjc.com/racing/video/play.asp?type=replay-full&date=20181209&no=06&lang=eng
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 6:04pm
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Of course I watched it that’s why I asked. Don’t think it was Purtons fault or a bad ride. From the 12 gate he positioned it beautifully from barrier 12. The horse seemed to travel well until Tegre de Terre took off around them and the horse fired up for a few strides It settled again, eased out and got a clear run and hit the line like the 2000+ horse it is |
Posted By: Pazman
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2018 at 6:26pm
| Great ride, picked up very strong late and just missed. His a Derby winner, 1st up 1600m. Turn of foot was there. Be winning over longer. |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 5:11pm
| Just put a whoopin on them at Sha Tin |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 5:34pm
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That was super impressive. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 5:39pm
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Acknowledge that this is a ruthless business, but still feel for the battler trainer who made this horse. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 7:18pm
| And so do I fwiw, a ready made racehorse with youth on his side walks in and bowls em over, won't be the last of our promising young stayers for the cashed up Chinese to get hold of , money talks all languages to most, so expect more. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2018 at 7:21pm
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Dark Dream would not reach the heights he goung to reach if he stayed in Australia. He'd have had 6 or 7 starts in the spring 5 of them in totally unsuitable events. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |