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Topic: Stallion suggestions - Duty With Honour
Posted By: Second Chance
Subject: Stallion suggestions - Duty With Honour
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:03pm
Been mentioned on here before, probably too often.  Embarrassed  

Has had three to race for three winners, has an unraced 2yo brother to stakes-winner Justify That with Ciaron Maher and a yearling colt by Cluster bred 3 x 3 Danehill and 4 x 4 x 4 to Bletchingly with Danny Williams.

It's almost certainly her last season at stud this year, so it's probably your last chance to suggest her final mating.  Maximum stud fee around a negotiated 14k but hopefully rather less.

Suggestions invited!





Replies:
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:13pm
Bloody big owner for Yulong January.




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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:16pm
Unnamed  
Moshe (AUS)
Bay or brown 2007
Bel Esprit
Bay 1999
Royal Academy
Bay 1987
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Crimson Saint
Chestnut 1969
Crimson Satan
Bolero Rose
1959
1958
26>
8-c
Bespoken
Brown 1990
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Vin d'Amour
Bay 1981
Adios
Gliteren
1970
1969
6-f
34>
Helsinge
Bay 2001
Desert Sun
Bay 1988
Green Desert
Bay 1983
Danzig
Foreign Courier
1977
1979
7-a
A4
Solar
Chestnut 1973
Hotfoot
L'Anguissola
1966
1967
1-w
10-b
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Love Song
1966
1976
A10
1-p
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Vain4f,5f x 5f Danzig5m x 4m 
  Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:29pm
Second Chance, Would Moshe be any chance of serving your wonderful servant ? I do like that pedigree. 




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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:42pm
Gee Djebel I'd try to get a deal with Magnus before Moshe.  But yes I'd be looking for more Vain to cross to Vana.  Some interesting Redoute's line ones with Swear, Va Pensiero, Counterattack and Stratum Star but yes most aren't in Vic and she old enough not to want to travel.  Pity the closest cross would be Denman.  Whatever you decide hope your lucky enough that she carries the foal and it's a filly.  Fingers crossed for you.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:43pm
A possibility Djebel, and thanks for your suggestion.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

Gee Djebel I'd try to get a deal with Magnus before Moshe.  But yes I'd be looking for more Vain to cross to Vana.  Some interesting Redoute's line ones with Swear, Va Pensiero, Counterattack and Stratum Star but yes most aren't in Vic and she old enough not to want to travel.  Pity the closest cross would be Denman.  Whatever you decide hope your lucky enough that she carries the foal and it's a filly.  Fingers crossed for you.

He was on the tip of my tongue but just could not remember who I was trying to think of Big smile Beer Handshake

He is $22,000 so might be out of the ball park.

Unnamed  
Magnus (AUS)
Bay 2002
Flying Spur
Bay 1992
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Rolls
Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Grand Luxe
Chestnut 1974
Sir Ivor
Fanfreluche
1965
1967
8-g
4-g
Scandinavia
Chestnut 1994
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Chestnut 1970
Silly Season
Great Occasion
1962
1965
1-g
7-f
Easy Date
Bay 1977
Grand Chaudiere
Scampering
1968
1970
19-b
20-a
Song of Norway
Grey 1982
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Love Song
Grey 1976
Warpath
Folk Song
1969
1968
21-a
1-p
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Danehill3m x 3m Vain4f x 5f Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 8:09pm
Have been offered $13,750 about Magnus (advertised fee $19,800) on a live foal basis, so he's well and truly in the mix.

But keep those suggestions coming!


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 9:33pm
Instead of Moshe, Bel Esprit is back in Victoria well within the price range I would suggest.

The horse has well and truly bolted, but Written Tycoon seems an ideal match.  On that basis though, Rich Enuff could be considered.  The pedigree is interesting, but I wonder if the stallion really has the pedigree to make it.

Although there is a bit of travelling involved, one old stallion that would be worth considering is Testa Rossa.  His son Unencumbered is another along the same line, but the jury is out on his future.

The least expensive option to be considered is Onemorenomore.  It looks a pretty solid if unremarkable pedigree but I suspect the likely progeny would be a reasonable racing prospect.

The standout for me, if you like a risk, is no doubt Impending who will be standing in Victoria next season.  It looks a lovely pedigree with a lot of positives.  Although he is over the budget, a mare that has produced a stakes winner to a first season sire in such a competitive market must be a good point of leverage.  That could all change if he wins the Stradbroke tomorrow for the second time, but probably less important standing in Victoria rather than Qld.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 9:59pm
I assumed Bel Esprit would be too expensive. 

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:01pm
Unnamed  
Impending (AUS)
Bay 2013
Lonhro
Brown 1998
Octagonal
Brown 1992
Zabeel
Bay 1986
Sir Tristram
Lady Giselle
1971
1982
6-e
16-c
Eight Carat
Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight
Klairessa
1963
1969
3-o
9-c
Shadea
Bay 1988
Straight Strike
Bay or brown 1977
Mr Prospector
Bend Not
1970
1972
13-c
11>
Concia
Bay 1978
First Consul
My Tricia
1970
1974
5-f
8>
Mnemosyne
Bay 2002
Encosta de Lago
Bay 1993
Fairy King
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Fairy Bridge
1961
1975
2-d
5-h
Shoal Creek
Chestnut 1988
Star Way
Rolls
1977
1984
6-e
4-g
My Juliet
Bay 1995
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Jesmond Lass
1970
1975
7-a
14>
Perfect Draw
Chestnut 1988
Whiskey Road
Proud Draw
1972
1980
4-d
13-a
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Bletchingly5m x 4f,4f


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:01pm
Unnamed  
Rich Enuff (AUS)
Chestnut 2011
Written Tycoon
Chestnut 2002
Iglesia
Brown 1995
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Mill Princess
1975
1977
8-f
8-c
Yodells
Chestnut 1988
Marscay
Yodelling Lady
1979
1979
4-m
1-c
Party Miss
Brown 1991
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland
1970
1964
9-c
1-m
Miss Entertainer
Chestnut 1975
Vain
Viveza
1966
1967
A10
18>
Hotnuff
Bay 2001
Spartacus
Chestnut 1993
Snippets
Bay 1984
Lunchtime
Easy Date
1970
1977
7-f
20-a
Pazzihi
Bay 1979
Manihi
Pastel
1964
1970
1-n
22-a
Scalding Hot
Brown 1993
Bureaucracy
Brown 1987
Lord Ballina
Tulla Doll
1979
1974
2-c
1-o
Scalding
Bay 1978
Ballyhot
Tullette
1968
1966
13-e
13-b
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Vain5f x 5f Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:03pm
Unnamed  
Testa Rossa (AUS)
Bay 1996
Perugino
Bay or brown 1991
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Bay 1968
Hail to Reason
Lalun
1958
1952
4-n
19-b
Special
Bay 1969
Forli
Thong
1963
1964
3-b
5-h
Bo Dapper
Bay 1985
Sir Dapper
Bay 1980
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Sikri
Bay 1967
Golden Plume
Miss Sikri
1960
1963
19-b
C25
Bodega
Bay 1973
Without Fear
Bay 1967
Baldric
Never Too Late
1961
1957
13-c
4-c
Salon
Brown 1964
Fortino
Soiree
1959
1953
4-r
1-w
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig3m x 4m Vain4m x 5f Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:03pm
Unnamed  
Onemorenomore (AUS)
Bay 2006
Red Ransom
Bay 1987
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952
1949
3-m
12-c
Arabia
Bay 1977
Damascus
Bay 1964
Sword Dancer
Kerala
1956
1958
1-o
8-h
Christmas Wind
Bay 1967
Nearctic
Bally Free
1954
1960
14-c
6-b
Palia
Bay 1994
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Bay 1975
Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal
1961
1970
2-d
8-f
Mill Princess
Bay 1977
Mill Reef
Irish Lass
1968
1962
22-d
8-c
Kew Gardens
Bay 1981
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Belle of Ireland
1970
1964
9-c
1-m
Garden Green
Bay 1964
Pinturischio
Focal
1958
1959
4-r
21-a
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:06pm

Unnamed
  
Unencumbered (AUS)
Bay or brown 2011
Testa Rossa
Bay 1996
Perugino
Bay or brown 1991
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Bo Dapper
Bay 1985
Sir Dapper
Bay 1980
Vain
Sikri
1966
1967
A10
C25
Bodega
Bay 1973
Without Fear
Salon
1967
1964
4-c
1-w
Blizzardly
Bay 2002
More Than Ready
Bay or brown 1997
Southern Halo
Bay 1983
Halo
Northern Sea
1969
1974
2-d
16-g
Woodman's Girl
Bay 1990
Woodman
Becky Be Good
1983
1981
1-s
1-s
Concise
Chestnut 1992
Marscay
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Heart of Market
1965
1967
2-o
4-m
Sober Dancer
Bay 1985
Noalcoholic
Crystal Dancer
1977
1978
16-g
1-s
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Danzig4m x 4m Vain5m x 5f Biscay5m x 5m,5m 
  Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:09pm
Unnamed  
Written Tycoon (AUS)
Chestnut 2002
Iglesia
Brown 1995
Last Tycoon
Bay or brown 1983
Try My Best
Bay 1975
Northern Dancer
Sex Appeal
1961
1970
2-d
8-f
Mill Princess
Bay 1977
Mill Reef
Irish Lass
1968
1962
22-d
8-c
Yodells
Chestnut 1988
Marscay
Chestnut 1979
Biscay
Heart of Market
1965
1967
2-o
4-m
Yodelling Lady
Chestnut 1979
Paris Review
Alpine Pass
1972
1970
1-l
1-c
Party Miss
Brown 1991
Kenmare
Grey 1975
Kalamoun
Grey 1970
Zeddaan
Khairunissa
1965
1960
11-g
9-c
Belle of Ireland
Chestnut 1964
Milesian
Belle of the Ball
1953
1958
22-a
1-m
Miss Entertainer
Chestnut 1975
Vain
Chestnut 1966
Wilkes
Elated
1952
1957
13-c
A10
Viveza
Brown 1967
Better Boy
Emerald Fire
1951
1961
2-n
18>
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5m x 5m Biscay5m x 5m,5m Vain4f x 5f 
  Better Boy5f x 4m Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:17pm
Unencumbered is unfortunately a dead-cert.


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:26pm
Bel Esprit stood for $11000 at his last season in Qld, so I gather will be around the same price returning to Victoria.  The family of Impending shows his 4th dam as Proud Draw, a daughter of Vain which isn't shown in the pedigree above.  Proud Draw was related to Drawn who was a favourite in the mid 80's, winning three G1's in the Caulfield and Rosehill Guineas, and the All Aged Stakes.  At stud, he was a bit of a flop, siring only 1 SW in Smart Alex who won the Qld Cup in 1996 but was a good local galloper at the time.  Tend to remember Drawn best as the sire of All Drawn who was a half sister to All Our Mob, and All Stormy who is coincidentally the grand-dam of The Monstar who lines up in tomorrow's Stradbroke against Impending.


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:26pm
from memory Bel Esprit 11 grand this year before negotiations.

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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:27pm
posted 16 seconds apart Djebel.

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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:27pm
I thought something had happened to Unencumbered but he isn't listed as being deceased on the Stud Book.  Probably should cross him off the list then.



Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:49pm
El cheapos Von Costa De Hero is very nice & this guy Redente would be sensational to some & far too close for others LOL Neither giving the option to sell tho'.

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 11:03pm
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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 11:15pm
Checking out Redente, his fee surprisingly has almost doubled in the last couple of seasons from $2200 to $3850.  Rather oddly, none of his progeny have ever raced in a black type race from what I can find.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 7:18pm
Magnus: no longer an option following advice about his condition from a good judge.
Bel Esprit: stands with the above and they'd most likely send me away after booking and then passing up on Magnus. 
I Am Invincible: lovely match but needed to go there about four years ago.
Impending: nice enough but booked out and I'd probably be over-breeding the mare anyway.
Redente great but commercial suicide.

So might just go back to King Of Prussia.




Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 8:57pm
Manhattan Rain? There might be a few nice ingredients in that match


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 10:28pm
Probably a bit expensive, but Highland Reel offers a different mating but one with plenty of positives.  The added advantage is that he is likely to be the best racehorse standing in Victoria and perhaps Australia.


Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 11:12pm
Originally posted by Progold Progold wrote:

Probably a bit expensive, but Highland Reel offers a different mating but one with plenty of positives.  The added advantage is that he is likely to be the best racehorse standing in Victoria and perhaps Australia.

Elvis and Haradasun’s moderate success don’t deter you? What sort of mares do you think are his best bet?

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Posted By: Bluey
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 11:53pm
What about Squomosa  ? I know same stud as Magnus  but is a sire just starting to show great promise .


Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 2:35am
Winning Rupert has Vain and Kenmare through Written Tycoon, he knew how to find the line?


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 7:26pm
Terrific stuff guys and gals.  Will have a good look at the most recent suggestions.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 7:33pm
And whoops, thanks to the member who gave Magnus the thumbs down on condition and attitude.

Don't know who he or she is, however the third party who on-forwarded the advice suggested it came from a most reliable source.

They hope it helps in decision making & very much appreciate the acknowledgement Smile


Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 9:05pm
How about Highland Reel? The Galileo x Danehill works extremely well, and with century and Bletchingly in her lines, would keep some sprint in with the chance to get over distance.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 9:13pm
Progold might agree with you mate.  Smile


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:24am
Another look at the mare and possible matings and a couple of other options especially at the lower range of the market.

Fighting Sun has been doing a good job and is a solid looking mating.  On a similar line, Sports Edition is also by Northern Meteor out of a Biscay or Bletchingly line mare.

Master Of Design and Delightful Choice are two sons of Redoute's Choice who aren't doing that bad a job at a budget fee.

One new interesting prospect is a second season stallion called Swear by Redoute's Choice out of a Show A Heart mare with a second dam by Centaine.  It is certainly an interesting mating, and there would appear a lot of positives.  A little bit inbred for me, but there are enough positives in my view that it can be considered with a deal of confidence.  He certainly had plenty of talent on the track, and not convinced he was a Derby type.  I think worth a punt at the price in a mating that should probably appeal to a few on pedigree.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 10:40am
Swear has been well and truly on the radar.

The match is quite similar to King of Prussia over the mare, but substituting Danehill 3 x 3 for for Danzig 3 x 4.  As you infer that all-male Danehill cross at 3 x 3 might be a bit close and overall isn't a particularly successful cross.  Master of Design would provide has that same cross also.

Decisions, decisions.


Posted By: Mr Prospector
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:10pm
Super One is apparently throwing nice foals and the pedigree would give you the I am invincible type reinforcements in a different order plus on paper he looks like he might like a Danehill influence as well . 


Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:37pm
Hey SC,

One not mentioned is Artie Schiller. Being back in Vic and should get in around the 10k I'd assume.

You would have a yearling ( hopefully) on the back of arguably his best bred crop of 2yos up and running, and a decent number too.
His best IMHO is Flying Artie who was out of a Rubiton mare with Star Kingdom back in the 5th remove, along with another dose of the marvel Better boy.

I see DWH has Century and a double dose of Star Kingdom through Biscay.
Just a very quick thought.

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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:48pm
Duplication of Danehill 3x3 by and large has not been overly successful, but then again 3x3 of any stallion has a low success rate.  Most success would seem to be from sex balanced duplications, and again that is reflected in overall duplications.  While my database is limited, what I have found of the successful Danehill all male 3x3 duplications that have been successful, it is the Biscay type cross also present.  Biscay is obviously from the Hyperion/Star Kingdom sire line, and Hyperion is found as the damsire of Nearctic, the dam of Northern Dancer.  He is also found as the sire of Alibhai, the damsire of His Majesty in the pedigree of Danehill.

We often underplay the importance of Hyperion in the pedigree of Northern Dancer, and also Danehill, so it may be that factor is a positive in the instance of a Swear mating.  Just further on some of my Hyperion theories, he was only a relatively small horse, like Northern Dancer incidentally.  Northern Dancer, like Danehill, often threw two different types.  Both could throw a big robust (almost carthorse) type, and regularly a smaller, more compact type but not an overly fine boned typed in most cases.  Often their progeny would be at both ends of the distance aptitude as well, from sprinters to middle distance/stayers.  It is that duality in type that often can be a key to duplication of a stallion in my view.  In my experience, it is often the duplications through sons that are at either end of the spectrum that often have greater success in the case of Northern Dancer.  Danzig/Nijinksy is the classic case of more of the sprinting type in Danzig vs the staying type in Nijinsky.  As an aside, dosage is a useful tool in this type of assessment.  On the negative of this mating in particular, it would seem that Redoute's Choice and West Point were relatively similar in aptitude, so this little aside probably hasn't cleared up much.


Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by lulu lulu wrote:

Hey SC,

One not mentioned is Artie Schiller. Being back in Vic and should get in around the 10k I'd assume.

You would have a yearling ( hopefully) on the back of arguably his best bred crop of 2yos up and running, and a decent number too.
His best IMHO is Flying Artie who was out of a Rubiton mare with Star Kingdom back in the 5th remove, along with another dose of the marvel Better boy.

I see DWH has Century and a double dose of Star Kingdom through Biscay.
Just a very quick thought.


On further perusal I see that Flying Artie had a double dose of Star Kingdom as well. 5 x 6.
Cheers

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Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 10:16pm
Originally posted by Progold Progold wrote:

Duplication of Danehill 3x3 by and large has not been overly successful, but then again 3x3 of any stallion has a low success rate.  Most success would seem to be from sex balanced duplications, and again that is reflected in overall duplications.  While my database is limited, what I have found of the successful Danehill all male 3x3 duplications that have been successful, it is the Biscay type cross also present.  Biscay is obviously from the Hyperion/Star Kingdom sire line, and Hyperion is found as the damsire of Nearctic, the dam of Northern Dancer.  He is also found as the sire of Alibhai, the damsire of His Majesty in the pedigree of Danehill.

 
If you look at Frankel, who Galileo x Danehill - same as Highland Reel, and then look at Frankels progeny, he has quite a few winners 3 x 3 of Danehill, hence why I suggested Highland Reel.


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2018 at 9:53pm
I honestly do not think that Frankel is an accurate comparison to any other stallion.  His book of mares was simply remarkable.  Nevertheless, of his stakes horses to date, Danehill Dancer is the only Danehill stallion that I can find at first glance so it is perhaps not a great advertisement for a Danehill duplication.


Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 3:32am
Apologies, it is Danzig that Coolmore suggest, more so than Danehill himself.
 
An extra line of DANZIG is proving no problem for these sons of Danehill mares. Teofilo has sired Irish classic winners from daughters of SINNDAR and GRAND LODGE, and his successful sire son Havana Gold is out of a grand-daughter of GREEN DESERT. Teofilo also has Group winners out of daughters of GREEN DESERT, SHAADI and ZIETEN as well as several good winners out of mares by ANABAA. Frankel’s first crop contains stakes winners out of daughters of INVINCIBLE SPIRIT, OASIS DREAM and DANEHILL DANCER. Teofilo also has very useful winners inbred 3x3 to DANEHILL.


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 11:23am
A lot of really good people at Coolmore, but with respect, I would urge caution when taking pedigree advice from any stud. 

In the case of the Danzig duplication in Frankel's progeny, we see that this comes with further lines of Northern Dancer.  Going back to my original post, we can reflect upon the different nature of ND sons with Danzig and Sadler's Wells being the two sons in Frankel's pedigree.  Perhaps we are building on the ND influence rather than the Danzig duplication.


Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by linghi11 linghi11 wrote:

Originally posted by Progold Progold wrote:

Probably a bit expensive, but Highland Reel offers a different mating but one with plenty of positives.  The added advantage is that he is likely to be the best racehorse standing in Victoria and perhaps Australia.

Elvis and Haradasun’s moderate success don’t deter you? What sort of mares do you think are his best bet?
My apologies for not commenting further on this question, but it was one that was always going to take a bit of time.  It might also be more appropriate for this to be moved to the Stallions section.

Firstly, the performance of Elvstroem and Haradasun bear little importance on the performance of Highland Reel at stud.  Clearly he is a very different prospect although he hails from the same family.  Importantly, both Haradasun and Elvstroem have shown they can produce a good horse.  I believe that if a stallion can do that, it is often the breeders rather than the stallion that are more responsible for the failures. In the case of Elvstroem, it was often the largely outcross pedigree that resulted in his best progeny.  Having said that, Hucklebuck, clearly his best son saw a number of lines of ND together with Biscay although nothing closer than 4x5.  This is rather remarkable when we see that Elvstroem himself had no inbreeding within five generations, and many could argue that this lack of inbreeding was going to impact negatively on his impact as a stallion.

But I digress from the point which is Highland Reel.  One of the big plusses of course is just how good a racehorse he was, especially when we consider that Victoria often gets the second level of performers compared with NSW.  Highland Reel of course has far more inbreeding than Elvstroem, and this could be of benefit.  However, we do see a bit of this is Northern Dancer in the forms of Sadler's Wells/Galileo and Danzig/Danehill.  It will be difficult to find a lot of outcross pedigrees for Highland Reel so we must consider how best to utilise these ND lines.  Most likely we need to stay away from additional lines of Sadler's Wells and Danehill so this will be quite difficult, but I would be looking at pushing this further back if necessary.  Daughters or granddaughters of Encosta De Lago could be considered but again, a little query for me over duplicating Fairy Bridge too often.  

In the case of a possible mating with Duty With Honour, we see a close duplication of Danehill.  Is this ideal?  Perhaps it is, because Galileo clearly has not had the success here as overseas.  Possibly we need to breed away from the Sadler's Wells line, and maybe this is the best way.  Personally, it is a more risky strategy, although one that will be recommended in certain cases, and in this instance, the mare has had success with close inbreeding so this may be one of those cases.  The other positive here is that Highland Reel obviously owed much to his strong colonial line, and breeding to that Star Kingdom/Bletchingly/Biscay/Marscay line could be a key locally.  Again Duty With Honour ticks this box, so another positive in the mating.  By and large though I would generally suggest breeding away from Danehill line mares in most cases.

Unlike Elvstroem and Haradasun, Highland Reel pushes the more extreme stamina influence of Zamazaan further back in the pedigree and this is not a bad thing in the case of most local stallions.  Grandsons of Zabeel, and even great grandsons are having a bigger impact than his sons as an example.  Along with this, pushing Sadler's Wells influence a little back in the sire line is a likely positive under local conditions.

I think Highland Reel will take some planning when utilising, but he had a deal of speed, so it is not out and out speed lines that are required.  I would not be concerned with ND line stallions but would suggest that some speed lines need to be in the pedigree relatively close up.  In general though, I would probably favour mares from families that have produced plenty of the miler types rather than the real early 2yo type families.  By and large I would probably baulk a little as well with close up stamina lines.  Highland Reel isn't going to regularly produce early 2yo's, so the Australian market will always struggle a little with him, but given good opportunity, I think he will certainly produce some quality runners.

A few stallions whose daughters/grandaughters could work include Mossman, Iglesia/Written Tycoon, Charge Forward, More Than Ready, Bel Esprit etc.  The trick is finding these sort of lines without close up Danehill lines.



Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 6:13pm
Another stallion who matches beautifully is Exosphere. His first foals sold well with good reports and I believe when I last spoke with them at least, that you would just sneak into your price range.


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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 6:17pm

Sorry I thought your max was 15. I see it is 14. You would need 15 + for Exosphere.



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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 7:35pm
I heard from a friend yesterday that Exosphere (and his sire) is booked out.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 8:23pm
Yes Exosphere comes up ok, though I'm happy if he's fully booked as it costs a fortune to send a mare from Vic to the Hunter for any length of time.

Plus of course Darley is great at selling clients semen, but pretty useless when selling any resultant foal.


Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 8:24pm
Ok Mumtaz. Not surprised there I suppose.
My mail was a few weeks old which is a long time these days.
On that note, I have never known so many stallions to be booked out so soon before.
Makes a bit of a mockery of the stallion inspection open days. For many of them anyway!
 


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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 1:15am
Got a friend who bought a mare for 3 thousand $$ ,,,sent her to Exosphere and got a cracking colt , who just sold for $160 thousand,,,,he is over the moon,,,but,,the colt was black, and the chinese love black horses, and China Horse Club bought him.   Some times you can get lucky.  Big smile


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 3:23pm
Am extremely happy as Duty's King of Prussia colt Yulong January aka Harry won very well on debut in the first at Swan Hill today, making mum's record four to race for four winners.

Still haven't decided where to send her this season but will either go back to King Of Prussia at $2,200 or ramp up to something more expensive and marketable.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:04pm
The following from the Thoroughbreds Victoria newsletter: exciting times.





Boutique Wangaratta breeders Allan and Cheryl Price were happy campers after the win on debut by the Yulong owned, Ciaron Maher/David Eustace trained colt Yulong January in the first at Swan Hill last Monday.

The bay colt jumped well and settled outside the co-leader before forging away over the last 150 metres to win by two lengths with something in hand.

The win also demonstrated the enormous value of having Zhang Yuesheng’s Yulong Investments, a major new Chinese investor in Australian racing and breeding, headquartered in Victoria. While Yulong have purchased at the top end at yearling sales over recent years, they have also been a prolific buyer of lesser profile Victorian bred yearlings.

This was the fourth win from as many starters for the Price’s broodmare Duty With Honour, a city winner herself and whose brother to Yulong January in Justify That was a dual stakes-winner of over half a million dollars.

Yulong January is by the Greta West stallion King of Prussia, and was reared by Bucklee farm’s Leeanne Smith.

Allan and Cheryl give great credit to the McCarthy’s at Greta West as well as Smith and her dedicated staff at Bucklee Farm, recommending both establishments to anyone looking for superior care of their broodmares, foals, yearlings or spellers.

The colt was purchased by Mr Zhang for just $20,000 at the Inglis Premier Sale in 2017. Allan indicated that an adverse X-ray of the stifle was the reason for that modest price, however Allan and Cheryl could hardly stifle a smile after the colt’s decisive win!

The mare’s two-year-old Cluster colt is currently with premier Goulburn trainer Danny Williams. Williams, who has a high opinion of the youngster, was quick to nominate him for both VOBIS Gold and Magic Millions.

The win provided welcome compensation for the Prices, as their triple stake-winning home-bred 3YO Money Maher (Al Maher) unfortunately tore a suspensory ligament in the South Australian Derby and faces a lengthy rehabilitation.

But, as Allan Price, reflected, “that’s all just part and parcel of the breeding business, you need to put the hits behind you and forever look to the future.”

 




Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:19pm
Fabulous breeding achievements with this mare, not that it translates to $$$ in the bank LOL Star Star Star

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:22pm
Looks like a great win also.


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:30pm
Congrats guys, really pleased for you both.

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 7:22pm
Thanksfolks.

Have been keeping an eye out for your horse Slowdown, but no nominations.  Hope things are ok with the galloper.


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2018 at 7:00am
Should trial again Tuesday. After his last trial he got a bit of a cold. Caught it on time and has been back in work this week. Half mile evens yesterday and heart rate etc great so we push on

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 1:52pm
Well can you believe it, I finally decided on an outcross!

Was offered a very significant price reduction on Frosted, on type a perfect match for the mare and who should prove quite commercial.

Thanks for everyone's input.  Star

Image result for image of frosted horse


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 2:05pm
Unnamed  
Frosted (USA)
Grey 2012
Tapit
Grey 2001
Pulpit
Bay 1994
A P Indy
Bay or brown 1989
Seattle Slew
Weekend Surprise
1974
1980
13-c
3-l
Preach
Bay 1989
Mr Prospector
Narrate
1970
1980
13-c
2-f
Tap Your Heels
Grey 1996
Unbridled
Bay 1987
Fappiano
Gana Facil
1977
1981
16-a
1-r
Ruby Slippers
Grey 1982
Nijinsky
Moon Glitter
1967
1972
8-f
3-o
Fast Cookie
Bay 2000
Deputy Minister
Bay or brown 1979
Vice Regent
Chestnut 1967
Northern Dancer
Victoria Regina
1961
1958
2-d
10-c
Mint Copy
Bay or brown 1970
Bunty's Flight
Shakney
1953
1964
19-b
10-a
Fleet Lady
Bay or brown 1994
Avenue of Flags
Brown 1988
Seattle Slew
Beautiful Glass
1974
1979
13-c
1-c
Dear Mimi
Bay or brown 1987
Roberto
Carnival Princess
1969
1974
12-c
16-g
Duty With Honour (AUS)
Bay 1999
West Point
Bay 1993
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Pas de Nom
1961
1968
2-d
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Spring Adieu
1968
1974
4-d
2-d
Quarantieme
Chestnut 1985
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Dancelot
Chestnut 1972
Vain
Hot Rhythm
1966
1967
A10
22-c
Abbondanza
Bay 1990
Century
Brown 1969
Better Boy
Bay 1951
My Babu
Better So
1945
1944
1-w
2-n
Royal Suite
Brown 1960
Rego
Baraganda
1949
1948
5-d
20>
Bounteous
Bay 1982
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Vana
Bay 1963
Orgoglio
Rarcamba
1949
1946
23-a
A10
 Ancestor duplications:Seattle Slew5m,5m x Northern Dancer5m x 5m Bletchinglyx 4f,4f


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 2:08pm
I wish you all the luck in the world.

And I hope I am wrong.

But I just can not see him succeeding in Australia. 


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Posted By: Spearmint
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 7:51pm
Fantastic, he is a beautifully conformed stallion with a great race record.

I think he will make it as a stallion here and I look forward to seeing his first season foals.

I wonder if he will throw predominately Greys?

Best of luck 👍

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 8:13pm
Not sure Spearmint but to be a dominate grey you need to have it on both sides of the family.  His sire's female line is the only part with the grey.  But it would be lovely to get some more greys on the ground.  Chautauqua looked so lovely today and D'Argento looks to be one who will carry the colour with aplume this season.

It's at least interesting to see Seattle Slew and Mr Prospector in his pedigree as these two come from the same family as Wilkes.


Posted By: Spearmint
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2018 at 10:47am
Think you might be right Furious about the grey dominant factor. There is no direct female line in his pedigree that is grey. So he will probably have a normal distribution of coat colours in his progeny.
Just love those dappled grey horses as well

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2018 at 3:18pm
Good luck with Yulong January on Saturday SC.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 11:58am
Thanks Furious.

He drew wide and there's a strong likelihood of rain in Adelaide on Saturday, so he's going to Swan hill today instead.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 12:06pm
oh well good luck there then!


Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 7:23pm
Clap Too good.

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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 7:47pm
That mare really loves King of Prussia!  Another lovely win.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 7:49pm
The one it beat is out of a mare I picked from Stratum's first crop before I decided to close to Canny wasn't good.  She was a beautiful mare a real looker.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by furious furious wrote:

That mare really loves King of Prussia!  Another lovely win.


No wonder, it's a fabulous mating Tongue

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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 12:36am
Was impressive,not many can win there first 2


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 6:52pm
Thanks for everyone's kind words.  Thumbs Up

Yes Gay his breeding pattern comes up trumps both on paper and on the track, and a lot of thought went into the mating. 

Duty's 2yo colt by Cluster is with Danny Williams, and there's a fair bit to enthuse about in his genetic makeup too, particularly if you can hack the 3 x 3 Danehill.  Here's his pedigree, and a shot of him taken earlier this week:






Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 9:40pm
Hello,
has anybody noted, Yulong January is bred 5x7x7 to the FS Elated (Vain)/Vana.
regards, Ticino
P.S.: How about to name the next foal, with the above mating "You're so Vain"


Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 9:46pm
Hello,
sorry I made a mistake.
I wanted to write abovementioned horse is bred 5x67x7 Rarcamba via FS Elated/Vana.
 
regards, Ticino


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 10:02pm
Well you got me looking very closely for that 3rd instance of Vain LOL You're never wrong so I figured it had to be there somewhere LOL

I love the Cluster match too, along with the physical result Heart


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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 10:41pm
Good powerful hindquarter there.  


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by Ticino Ticino wrote:

Hello, sorry I made a mistake.  I wanted to write abovementioned horse is bred 5x7x7 Rarcamba via FS Elated/Vana.  regards, Ticino 

That name you suggested is a beauty Ticino. Star  However the major owner has names him Double Wrap.

And yes, Rarcamba does loom large even if she does appear some generations back. 








Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2018 at 7:29pm
After Yulong January's win at Randwick today both my partner and Leeanne Smith of Bucklee Farm harassed me about going back to King of Prussia this season.

However she was yesterday confirmed in foal to Frosted.    


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2018 at 8:00pm
Hope its a filly SC.  But she does seem to have an affinity with King of Prussia.


Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 10:03am
Great win/ nice prizemoney👍


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 11:15am
Wangaratta’s son of the ‘King’ remains unbeaten

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Described as a ‘‘a bit of a dude’’ by his trainer Ciaron Maher, Victorian bred Yulong January is certainly taking it all in his stride as the three-year-old now heads towards black-type targets.


The son of Greta West sire King Of Prussia, bred by Wangaratta’s Allan and Cheryl Price, cruised to victory in the Young Members Handicap at Randwick last Saturday keeping his unbeaten record intact.

Greta West’s Laurie McCarthy is thrilled the colt is flying the flag for the stud’s longstanding stallion.

“You really have to take your hat off to King Of Prussia as he only gets his ten or so mares a year, but he sure can throw a very handy horse or two,” McCarthy said.

“We bought King of Prussia off the track and he is part of the furniture now. He may not be the most commercial stallion, but when you look at his runners the last couple of years he has had Prussian Vixen, Entre Nous, Cha Cha King and now with Yulong January he certainly punches above his weight.

“He may be getting on a bit, but he is very fertile, and he wouldn’t mind a few more mares coming his way.”

“(Breeder) Allan Price keeps his dam Duty With Honour at our property and although she headed off to Frosted this year, after Yulong January’s success Allan has said that she will certainly be coming back to King Of Prussia next year.”

Ciaron Maher, who trains in partnership with David Eustace, indicated that Yulong January will head to the Group 3 Carbine Club Stakes over 1600 metres at Flemington on Derby Day.  “He’s a very genuine horse and just keeps improving. He’s a straightforward no-frills horse. He does his work, he eats up – you wouldn’t know he’s a colt,” Maher said.

Bred by the Prices, long-term clients of Greta West, Yulong January was a yearling sold through the Bucklee Farm draft at the 2017 Inglis Premier Sale.  “He could prove to be a brilliant bargain by the end of the spring carnival,” McCarthy said.

“Leeanne (Smith) and Bucklee Farm are pretty much our neighbours, and they prepare and sell most of our yearlings. We have three heading to them at this stage to the Premier Sale that are all going to be worth a second look. We support each other, and they are a big help with all our walk-ins.”

   


Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 12:50pm
Great stuff - must be a huge thrill. What does Duty With Honour have on the deck?


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 2:12pm
Fantastic Guys, great to see the recognition.

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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 2:24pm
Just shows there are stallions out there capable of getting a good horse with the right mare.  I wonder which part of five great crosses has come through with this boy.  You have the obvious Vain and the female line going back to his dams full sister.  Century cross, Danzig/Bletchingly double as well as the double Danzig through two of his better sons.  Then add the Sir Tristram/Bletchingly/Danehill trifecta.


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 4:33pm
Thanks for everyone's kind words.  It's a very exciting time.

Yes, a marvelous pedigree Furious. Don't know which of the crosses or nicks works, but something certainly does.

Robbo, the mare has a 2yo named Double Wrap with Danny Williams.  Broken in, then two months in the paddock, into work education for 6 weeks, and now just back to the paddock.  The mare had great trouble foaling him so wasn't served in 2016, and last year missed to King Of Prussia on one belated service in late December.  She has an early positive to Frosted this season and fingers crossed she holds.

Yulong will most likely have his next start in a 3yo Listed race over 1400m on Caulfield Cup day, and all going well into the Carbine Club a fortnight later on Derby day.  If he wins next start will poke my nose in and suggest they put in a late nomination for the Coolmore Stakes instead as I reckon he'd go great down the straight six.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 8:09pm
"She has an early positive to Frosted this season and fingers crossed she holds."

What appeals to you about this mating? This is the Tapit horse? BOL tomorrow too Thumbs Up


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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 8:50pm
Gay, I think our record since going full-on is 6 winners from 14 of racing age including two stakes-winners, with hopefully an additional stakes-performer after tomorrow's racing.

But that doesn't pay the bills, so we've gone with Frosted on two counts.  Firstly he's a great match from a physical perspective, but more importantly it's time we went to a commercial stallion that might return us a *!# profit on investment.








Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 2:10pm
Well he got the black type but that riderless horse was quite a worry early on.  He's well up to stakes company and should pick up a win next time in.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 3:04pm
Cheers Thumbs Up I'm glad I wasn't missing an obvious pedigree match & hope it works in your favour come sale time Big smile

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Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 7:52pm
Thanks ladies.

We went down and were delighted with the run.  Regan Bayliss said the riderless one got him on the steel just a bit which possibly made the difference.  David Eustace said they'd see how he pulled up before making firm plans, but suggested the Carbine Club on Derby Day was a chance otherwise they might save him for the Sandown Guineas another two weeks later.

Just as an aside, we saw the colt prior to the race and asked the strapper what his stable name was, and he said they hadn't actually settled on one.  We said he'd been brought up as "Harry" but of course he hadn't been called that for 18 months.  So we called out his nickname and his ears immediately picked up, then repeated the exercise with the same result!  So we strongly suggested they call him by that name in future.  Smile




Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 5:30pm
Yulong January resumes in the Gp 3Zeditave Stakes on Saturday.  Wish him luck!


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 5:41pm
All the luck he can get would love to see him win it


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by Second Chance Second Chance wrote:

Yulong January resumes in the Gp 3Zeditave Stakes on Saturday.  Wish him luck!
all the best guys !!

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Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.


Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 4:40pm
Go Harry... BOL


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 7:07pm
The second favorite has just been scratched, along with an earlier roughie.

We could now run 2nd, and may even be a blowout chance of winning.

ps SC, don't get ahead of yourself.  Embarrassed


Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 3:00pm
Gee he was unlucky in the running, a good third all the same But if only..
Congrats SC, more to come..


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 3:04pm
How do you get snookered in a five horse field!


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 7:05pm
Thanks folks.  The final 100m was his best. 

Trainers expected him to lead, try to get some cheap mid-race sectionals, and hopefully skip away.

You could say things didn't exactly go to plan.  Ouch


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 4:26pm
Canberra Guineas on Sunday for Harry, they put up $8 and $2.75 which I've been happy accept.

On form he'd have to be close to an each-way special, but Hughie can turn in more than the occasional ordinary ride on days when there's bigger fish to fry ie the Black Opal etc.



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