Stallion suggestions - Duty With Honour
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Topic: Stallion suggestions - Duty With Honour
Posted By: Second Chance
Subject: Stallion suggestions - Duty With Honour
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:03pm
Been mentioned on here before, probably too often.
Has had three to race for three winners, has an unraced 2yo brother to stakes-winner Justify That with Ciaron Maher and a yearling colt by Cluster bred 3 x 3 Danehill and 4 x 4 x 4 to Bletchingly with Danny Williams.
It's almost certainly her last season at stud this year, so it's probably your last chance to suggest her final mating. Maximum stud fee around a negotiated 14k but hopefully rather less.
Suggestions invited!
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:13pm
Bloody big owner for Yulong January.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:16pm
Moshe (AUS) Bay or brown 2007 | Bel Esprit Bay 1999 | Royal Academy Bay 1987 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Crimson Saint Chestnut 1969 | Crimson Satan Bolero Rose | 1959 1958 | 26> 8-c | Bespoken Brown 1990 | Vain Chestnut 1966 | Wilkes Elated | 1952 1957 | 13-c A10 | Vin d'Amour Bay 1981 | Adios Gliteren | 1970 1969 | 6-f 34> | Helsinge Bay 2001 | Desert Sun Bay 1988 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Foreign Courier | 1977 1979 | 7-a A4 | Solar Chestnut 1973 | Hotfoot L'Anguissola | 1966 1967 | 1-w 10-b | Scandinavia Chestnut 1994 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Easy Date | 1970 1977 | 7-f 20-a | Song of Norway Grey 1982 | Vain Love Song | 1966 1976 | A10 1-p | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m | | Vain | 4f,5f x 5f | | Danzig | 5m x 4m | | | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:29pm
Second Chance, Would Moshe be any chance of serving your wonderful servant ? I do like that pedigree.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:42pm
Gee Djebel I'd try to get a deal with Magnus before Moshe. But yes I'd be looking for more Vain to cross to Vana. Some interesting Redoute's line ones with Swear, Va Pensiero, Counterattack and Stratum Star but yes most aren't in Vic and she old enough not to want to travel. Pity the closest cross would be Denman. Whatever you decide hope your lucky enough that she carries the foal and it's a filly. Fingers crossed for you.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:43pm
A possibility Djebel, and thanks for your suggestion.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 7:54pm
furious wrote:
Gee Djebel I'd try to get a deal with Magnus before Moshe. But yes I'd be looking for more Vain to cross to Vana. Some interesting Redoute's line ones with Swear, Va Pensiero, Counterattack and Stratum Star but yes most aren't in Vic and she old enough not to want to travel. Pity the closest cross would be Denman. Whatever you decide hope your lucky enough that she carries the foal and it's a filly. Fingers crossed for you. |
He is $22,000 so might be out of the ball park.
Magnus (AUS) Bay 2002 | Flying Spur Bay 1992 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Rolls Chestnut 1984 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Grand Luxe Chestnut 1974 | Sir Ivor Fanfreluche | 1965 1967 | 8-g 4-g | Scandinavia Chestnut 1994 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Chestnut 1970 | Silly Season Great Occasion | 1962 1965 | 1-g 7-f | Easy Date Bay 1977 | Grand Chaudiere Scampering | 1968 1970 | 19-b 20-a | Song of Norway Grey 1982 | Vain Chestnut 1966 | Wilkes Elated | 1952 1957 | 13-c A10 | Love Song Grey 1976 | Warpath Folk Song | 1969 1968 | 21-a 1-p | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Danehill | 3m x 3m | | Vain | 4f x 5f | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 8:09pm
Have been offered $13,750 about Magnus (advertised fee $19,800) on a live foal basis, so he's well and truly in the mix.
But keep those suggestions coming!
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 9:33pm
Instead of Moshe, Bel Esprit is back in Victoria well within the price range I would suggest.
The horse has well and truly bolted, but Written Tycoon seems an ideal match. On that basis though, Rich Enuff could be considered. The pedigree is interesting, but I wonder if the stallion really has the pedigree to make it.
Although there is a bit of travelling involved, one old stallion that would be worth considering is Testa Rossa. His son Unencumbered is another along the same line, but the jury is out on his future.
The least expensive option to be considered is Onemorenomore. It looks a pretty solid if unremarkable pedigree but I suspect the likely progeny would be a reasonable racing prospect.
The standout for me, if you like a risk, is no doubt Impending who will be standing in Victoria next season. It looks a lovely pedigree with a lot of positives. Although he is over the budget, a mare that has produced a stakes winner to a first season sire in such a competitive market must be a good point of leverage. That could all change if he wins the Stradbroke tomorrow for the second time, but probably less important standing in Victoria rather than Qld.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 9:59pm
I assumed Bel Esprit would be too expensive.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:01pm
Impending (AUS) Bay 2013 | Lonhro Brown 1998 | Octagonal Brown 1992 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Lady Giselle | 1971 1982 | 6-e 16-c | Eight Carat Brown 1975 | Pieces of Eight Klairessa | 1963 1969 | 3-o 9-c | Shadea Bay 1988 | Straight Strike Bay or brown 1977 | Mr Prospector Bend Not | 1970 1972 | 13-c 11> | Concia Bay 1978 | First Consul My Tricia | 1970 1974 | 5-f 8> | Mnemosyne Bay 2002 | Encosta de Lago Bay 1993 | Fairy King Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Shoal Creek Chestnut 1988 | Star Way Rolls | 1977 1984 | 6-e 4-g | My Juliet Bay 1995 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Jesmond Lass | 1970 1975 | 7-a 14> | Perfect Draw Chestnut 1988 | Whiskey Road Proud Draw | 1972 1980 | 4-d 13-a | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m | | Bletchingly | 5m x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:01pm
Rich Enuff (AUS) Chestnut 2011 | Written Tycoon Chestnut 2002 | Iglesia Brown 1995 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Mill Princess | 1975 1977 | 8-f 8-c | Yodells Chestnut 1988 | Marscay Yodelling Lady | 1979 1979 | 4-m 1-c | Party Miss Brown 1991 | Kenmare Grey 1975 | Kalamoun Belle of Ireland | 1970 1964 | 9-c 1-m | Miss Entertainer Chestnut 1975 | Vain Viveza | 1966 1967 | A10 18> | Hotnuff Bay 2001 | Spartacus Chestnut 1993 | Snippets Bay 1984 | Lunchtime Easy Date | 1970 1977 | 7-f 20-a | Pazzihi Bay 1979 | Manihi Pastel | 1964 1970 | 1-n 22-a | Scalding Hot Brown 1993 | Bureaucracy Brown 1987 | Lord Ballina Tulla Doll | 1979 1974 | 2-c 1-o | Scalding Bay 1978 | Ballyhot Tullette | 1968 1966 | 13-e 13-b | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Vain | 5f x 5f | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:03pm
Testa Rossa (AUS) Bay 1996 | Perugino Bay or brown 1991 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Pas de Nom Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage Petitioner | 1959 1952 | 4-n 7-a | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Bay 1968 | Hail to Reason Lalun | 1958 1952 | 4-n 19-b | Special Bay 1969 | Forli Thong | 1963 1964 | 3-b 5-h | Bo Dapper Bay 1985 | Sir Dapper Bay 1980 | Vain Chestnut 1966 | Wilkes Elated | 1952 1957 | 13-c A10 | Sikri Bay 1967 | Golden Plume Miss Sikri | 1960 1963 | 19-b C25 | Bodega Bay 1973 | Without Fear Bay 1967 | Baldric Never Too Late | 1961 1957 | 13-c 4-c | Salon Brown 1964 | Fortino Soiree | 1959 1953 | 4-r 1-w | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Danzig | 3m x 4m | | Vain | 4m x 5f | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:03pm
Onemorenomore (AUS) Bay 2006 | Red Ransom Bay 1987 | Roberto Bay 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Bramalea Bay or brown 1959 | Nashua Rarelea | 1952 1949 | 3-m 12-c | Arabia Bay 1977 | Damascus Bay 1964 | Sword Dancer Kerala | 1956 1958 | 1-o 8-h | Christmas Wind Bay 1967 | Nearctic Bally Free | 1954 1960 | 14-c 6-b | Palia Bay 1994 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Bay 1975 | Northern Dancer Sex Appeal | 1961 1970 | 2-d 8-f | Mill Princess Bay 1977 | Mill Reef Irish Lass | 1968 1962 | 22-d 8-c | Kew Gardens Bay 1981 | Kenmare Grey 1975 | Kalamoun Belle of Ireland | 1970 1964 | 9-c 1-m | Garden Green Bay 1964 | Pinturischio Focal | 1958 1959 | 4-r 21-a | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:06pm
Unencumbered (AUS) Bay or brown 2011 | Testa Rossa Bay 1996 | Perugino Bay or brown 1991 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Bo Dapper Bay 1985 | Sir Dapper Bay 1980 | Vain Sikri | 1966 1967 | A10 C25 | Bodega Bay 1973 | Without Fear Salon | 1967 1964 | 4-c 1-w | Blizzardly Bay 2002 | More Than Ready Bay or brown 1997 | Southern Halo Bay 1983 | Halo Northern Sea | 1969 1974 | 2-d 16-g | Woodman's Girl Bay 1990 | Woodman Becky Be Good | 1983 1981 | 1-s 1-s | Concise Chestnut 1992 | Marscay Chestnut 1979 | Biscay Heart of Market | 1965 1967 | 2-o 4-m | Sober Dancer Bay 1985 | Noalcoholic Crystal Dancer | 1977 1978 | 16-g 1-s | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Danzig | 4m x 4m | | Vain | 5m x 5f | | Biscay | 5m x 5m,5m | | | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:09pm
Written Tycoon (AUS) Chestnut 2002 | Iglesia Brown 1995 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Bay 1975 | Northern Dancer Sex Appeal | 1961 1970 | 2-d 8-f | Mill Princess Bay 1977 | Mill Reef Irish Lass | 1968 1962 | 22-d 8-c | Yodells Chestnut 1988 | Marscay Chestnut 1979 | Biscay Heart of Market | 1965 1967 | 2-o 4-m | Yodelling Lady Chestnut 1979 | Paris Review Alpine Pass | 1972 1970 | 1-l 1-c | Party Miss Brown 1991 | Kenmare Grey 1975 | Kalamoun Grey 1970 | Zeddaan Khairunissa | 1965 1960 | 11-g 9-c | Belle of Ireland Chestnut 1964 | Milesian Belle of the Ball | 1953 1958 | 22-a 1-m | Miss Entertainer Chestnut 1975 | Vain Chestnut 1966 | Wilkes Elated | 1952 1957 | 13-c A10 | Viveza Brown 1967 | Better Boy Emerald Fire | 1951 1961 | 2-n 18> | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m | | Biscay | 5m x 5m,5m | | Vain | 4f x 5f | | | | Better Boy | 5f x 4m | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:17pm
Unencumbered is unfortunately a dead-cert.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:26pm
Bel Esprit stood for $11000 at his last season in Qld, so I gather will be around the same price returning to Victoria. The family of Impending shows his 4th dam as Proud Draw, a daughter of Vain which isn't shown in the pedigree above. Proud Draw was related to Drawn who was a favourite in the mid 80's, winning three G1's in the Caulfield and Rosehill Guineas, and the All Aged Stakes. At stud, he was a bit of a flop, siring only 1 SW in Smart Alex who won the Qld Cup in 1996 but was a good local galloper at the time. Tend to remember Drawn best as the sire of All Drawn who was a half sister to All Our Mob, and All Stormy who is coincidentally the grand-dam of The Monstar who lines up in tomorrow's Stradbroke against Impending.
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:26pm
from memory Bel Esprit 11 grand this year before negotiations.
------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:27pm
posted 16 seconds apart Djebel.
------------- Rebel - racing. Lionel - in work. Glory - spelling. Ray - spelling. A Wee Nip - in work.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:27pm
I thought something had happened to Unencumbered but he isn't listed as being deceased on the Stud Book. Probably should cross him off the list then.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:49pm
El cheapos Von Costa De Hero is very nice & this guy Redente would be sensational to some & far too close for others Neither giving the option to sell tho'.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 11:03pm
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 11:15pm
Checking out Redente, his fee surprisingly has almost doubled in the last couple of seasons from $2200 to $3850. Rather oddly, none of his progeny have ever raced in a black type race from what I can find.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 7:18pm
Magnus: no longer an option following advice about his condition from a good judge.Bel Esprit: stands with the above and they'd most likely send me away after booking and then passing up on Magnus. I Am Invincible: lovely match but needed to go there about four years ago. Impending: nice enough but booked out and I'd probably be over-breeding the mare anyway. Redente great but commercial suicide.
So might just go back to King Of Prussia.
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Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 8:57pm
Manhattan Rain? There might be a few nice ingredients in that match
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 10:28pm
Probably a bit expensive, but Highland Reel offers a different mating but one with plenty of positives. The added advantage is that he is likely to be the best racehorse standing in Victoria and perhaps Australia.
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Posted By: linghi11
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 11:12pm
Progold wrote:
Probably a bit expensive, but Highland Reel offers a different mating but one with plenty of positives. The added advantage is that he is likely to be the best racehorse standing in Victoria and perhaps Australia. | Elvis and Haradasun’s moderate success don’t deter you? What sort of mares do you think are his best bet?
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Posted By: Bluey
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 11:53pm
What about Squomosa ? I know same stud as Magnus but is a sire just starting to show great promise .
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 2:35am
Winning Rupert has Vain and Kenmare through Written Tycoon, he knew how to find the line?
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 7:26pm
Terrific stuff guys and gals. Will have a good look at the most recent suggestions.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 7:33pm
And whoops, thanks to the member who gave Magnus the thumbs down on condition and attitude.
Don't know who he or she is, however the third party who on-forwarded the advice suggested it came from a most reliable source.
They hope it helps in decision making & very much appreciate the acknowledgement
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Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 9:05pm
How about Highland Reel? The Galileo x Danehill works extremely well, and with century and Bletchingly in her lines, would keep some sprint in with the chance to get over distance.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 9:13pm
Progold might agree with you mate.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:24am
Another look at the mare and possible matings and a couple of other options especially at the lower range of the market.
Fighting Sun has been doing a good job and is a solid looking mating. On a similar line, Sports Edition is also by Northern Meteor out of a Biscay or Bletchingly line mare.
Master Of Design and Delightful Choice are two sons of Redoute's Choice who aren't doing that bad a job at a budget fee.
One new interesting prospect is a second season stallion called Swear by Redoute's Choice out of a Show A Heart mare with a second dam by Centaine. It is certainly an interesting mating, and there would appear a lot of positives. A little bit inbred for me, but there are enough positives in my view that it can be considered with a deal of confidence. He certainly had plenty of talent on the track, and not convinced he was a Derby type. I think worth a punt at the price in a mating that should probably appeal to a few on pedigree.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 10:40am
Swear has been well and truly on the radar.
The match is quite similar to King of Prussia over the mare, but substituting Danehill 3 x 3 for for Danzig 3 x 4. As you infer that all-male Danehill cross at 3 x 3 might be a bit close and overall isn't a particularly successful cross. Master of Design would provide has that same cross also.
Decisions, decisions.
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Posted By: Mr Prospector
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:10pm
Super One is apparently throwing nice foals and the pedigree would give you the I am invincible type reinforcements in a different order plus on paper he looks like he might like a Danehill influence as well .
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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:37pm
Hey SC,
One not mentioned is Artie Schiller. Being back in Vic and should get in around the 10k I'd assume.
You would have a yearling ( hopefully) on the back of arguably his best bred crop of 2yos up and running, and a decent number too. His best IMHO is Flying Artie who was out of a Rubiton mare with Star Kingdom back in the 5th remove, along with another dose of the marvel Better boy.
I see DWH has Century and a double dose of Star Kingdom through Biscay. Just a very quick thought.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:48pm
Duplication of Danehill 3x3 by and large has not been overly successful, but then again 3x3 of any stallion has a low success rate. Most success would seem to be from sex balanced duplications, and again that is reflected in overall duplications. While my database is limited, what I have found of the successful Danehill all male 3x3 duplications that have been successful, it is the Biscay type cross also present. Biscay is obviously from the Hyperion/Star Kingdom sire line, and Hyperion is found as the damsire of Nearctic, the dam of Northern Dancer. He is also found as the sire of Alibhai, the damsire of His Majesty in the pedigree of Danehill.
We often underplay the importance of Hyperion in the pedigree of Northern Dancer, and also Danehill, so it may be that factor is a positive in the instance of a Swear mating. Just further on some of my Hyperion theories, he was only a relatively small horse, like Northern Dancer incidentally. Northern Dancer, like Danehill, often threw two different types. Both could throw a big robust (almost carthorse) type, and regularly a smaller, more compact type but not an overly fine boned typed in most cases. Often their progeny would be at both ends of the distance aptitude as well, from sprinters to middle distance/stayers. It is that duality in type that often can be a key to duplication of a stallion in my view. In my experience, it is often the duplications through sons that are at either end of the spectrum that often have greater success in the case of Northern Dancer. Danzig/Nijinksy is the classic case of more of the sprinting type in Danzig vs the staying type in Nijinsky. As an aside, dosage is a useful tool in this type of assessment. On the negative of this mating in particular, it would seem that Redoute's Choice and West Point were relatively similar in aptitude, so this little aside probably hasn't cleared up much.
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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 1:01pm
lulu wrote:
Hey SC,
One not mentioned is Artie Schiller. Being back in Vic and should get in around the 10k I'd assume.
You would have a yearling ( hopefully) on the back of arguably his best bred crop of 2yos up and running, and a decent number too. His best IMHO is Flying Artie who was out of a Rubiton mare with Star Kingdom back in the 5th remove, along with another dose of the marvel Better boy.
I see DWH has Century and a double dose of Star Kingdom through Biscay. Just a very quick thought. |
On further perusal I see that Flying Artie had a double dose of Star Kingdom as well. 5 x 6. Cheers
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Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 10:16pm
Progold wrote:
Duplication of Danehill 3x3 by and large has not been overly successful, but then again 3x3 of any stallion has a low success rate. Most success would seem to be from sex balanced duplications, and again that is reflected in overall duplications. While my database is limited, what I have found of the successful Danehill all male 3x3 duplications that have been successful, it is the Biscay type cross also present. Biscay is obviously from the Hyperion/Star Kingdom sire line, and Hyperion is found as the damsire of Nearctic, the dam of Northern Dancer. He is also found as the sire of Alibhai, the damsire of His Majesty in the pedigree of Danehill.
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If you look at Frankel, who Galileo x Danehill - same as Highland Reel, and then look at Frankels progeny, he has quite a few winners 3 x 3 of Danehill, hence why I suggested Highland Reel.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2018 at 9:53pm
I honestly do not think that Frankel is an accurate comparison to any other stallion. His book of mares was simply remarkable. Nevertheless, of his stakes horses to date, Danehill Dancer is the only Danehill stallion that I can find at first glance so it is perhaps not a great advertisement for a Danehill duplication.
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Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 3:32am
Apologies, it is Danzig that Coolmore suggest, more so than Danehill himself. An extra line of DANZIG is proving no problem for these sons of Danehill mares. Teofilo has sired Irish classic winners from daughters of SINNDAR and GRAND LODGE, and his successful sire son Havana Gold is out of a grand-daughter of GREEN DESERT. Teofilo also has Group winners out of daughters of GREEN DESERT, SHAADI and ZIETEN as well as several good winners out of mares by ANABAA. Frankel’s first crop contains stakes winners out of daughters of INVINCIBLE SPIRIT, OASIS DREAM and DANEHILL DANCER. Teofilo also has very useful winners inbred 3x3 to DANEHILL.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 11:23am
A lot of really good people at Coolmore, but with respect, I would urge caution when taking pedigree advice from any stud.
In the case of the Danzig duplication in Frankel's progeny, we see that this comes with further lines of Northern Dancer. Going back to my original post, we can reflect upon the different nature of ND sons with Danzig and Sadler's Wells being the two sons in Frankel's pedigree. Perhaps we are building on the ND influence rather than the Danzig duplication.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 1:04pm
linghi11 wrote:
Progold wrote:
Probably a bit expensive, but Highland Reel offers a different mating but one with plenty of positives. The added advantage is that he is likely to be the best racehorse standing in Victoria and perhaps Australia. | Elvis and Haradasun’s moderate success don’t deter you? What sort of mares do you think are his best bet? |
My apologies for not commenting further on this question, but it was one that was always going to take a bit of time. It might also be more appropriate for this to be moved to the Stallions section.
Firstly, the performance of Elvstroem and Haradasun bear little importance on the performance of Highland Reel at stud. Clearly he is a very different prospect although he hails from the same family. Importantly, both Haradasun and Elvstroem have shown they can produce a good horse. I believe that if a stallion can do that, it is often the breeders rather than the stallion that are more responsible for the failures. In the case of Elvstroem, it was often the largely outcross pedigree that resulted in his best progeny. Having said that, Hucklebuck, clearly his best son saw a number of lines of ND together with Biscay although nothing closer than 4x5. This is rather remarkable when we see that Elvstroem himself had no inbreeding within five generations, and many could argue that this lack of inbreeding was going to impact negatively on his impact as a stallion.
But I digress from the point which is Highland Reel. One of the big plusses of course is just how good a racehorse he was, especially when we consider that Victoria often gets the second level of performers compared with NSW. Highland Reel of course has far more inbreeding than Elvstroem, and this could be of benefit. However, we do see a bit of this is Northern Dancer in the forms of Sadler's Wells/Galileo and Danzig/Danehill. It will be difficult to find a lot of outcross pedigrees for Highland Reel so we must consider how best to utilise these ND lines. Most likely we need to stay away from additional lines of Sadler's Wells and Danehill so this will be quite difficult, but I would be looking at pushing this further back if necessary. Daughters or granddaughters of Encosta De Lago could be considered but again, a little query for me over duplicating Fairy Bridge too often.
In the case of a possible mating with Duty With Honour, we see a close duplication of Danehill. Is this ideal? Perhaps it is, because Galileo clearly has not had the success here as overseas. Possibly we need to breed away from the Sadler's Wells line, and maybe this is the best way. Personally, it is a more risky strategy, although one that will be recommended in certain cases, and in this instance, the mare has had success with close inbreeding so this may be one of those cases. The other positive here is that Highland Reel obviously owed much to his strong colonial line, and breeding to that Star Kingdom/Bletchingly/Biscay/Marscay line could be a key locally. Again Duty With Honour ticks this box, so another positive in the mating. By and large though I would generally suggest breeding away from Danehill line mares in most cases.
Unlike Elvstroem and Haradasun, Highland Reel pushes the more extreme stamina influence of Zamazaan further back in the pedigree and this is not a bad thing in the case of most local stallions. Grandsons of Zabeel, and even great grandsons are having a bigger impact than his sons as an example. Along with this, pushing Sadler's Wells influence a little back in the sire line is a likely positive under local conditions.
I think Highland Reel will take some planning when utilising, but he had a deal of speed, so it is not out and out speed lines that are required. I would not be concerned with ND line stallions but would suggest that some speed lines need to be in the pedigree relatively close up. In general though, I would probably favour mares from families that have produced plenty of the miler types rather than the real early 2yo type families. By and large I would probably baulk a little as well with close up stamina lines. Highland Reel isn't going to regularly produce early 2yo's, so the Australian market will always struggle a little with him, but given good opportunity, I think he will certainly produce some quality runners.
A few stallions whose daughters/grandaughters could work include Mossman, Iglesia/Written Tycoon, Charge Forward, More Than Ready, Bel Esprit etc. The trick is finding these sort of lines without close up Danehill lines.
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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 6:13pm
Another stallion who matches beautifully is Exosphere. His first foals sold well with good reports and I believe when I last spoke with them at least, that you would just sneak into your price range.
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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 6:17pm
Sorry I thought your max was 15. I see it is 14. You would need 15 + for Exosphere.
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Posted By: Mumtaz
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 7:35pm
I heard from a friend yesterday that Exosphere (and his sire) is booked out.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 8:23pm
Yes Exosphere comes up ok, though I'm happy if he's fully booked as it costs a fortune to send a mare from Vic to the Hunter for any length of time.
Plus of course Darley is great at selling clients semen, but pretty useless when selling any resultant foal.
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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2018 at 8:24pm
Ok Mumtaz. Not surprised there I suppose. My mail was a few weeks old which is a long time these days. On that note, I have never known so many stallions to be booked out so soon before. Makes a bit of a mockery of the stallion inspection open days. For many of them anyway!
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2018 at 1:15am
Got a friend who bought a mare for 3 thousand $$ ,,,sent her to Exosphere and got a cracking colt , who just sold for $160 thousand,,,,he is over the moon,,,but,,the colt was black, and the chinese love black horses, and China Horse Club bought him. Some times you can get lucky.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2018 at 3:23pm
Am extremely happy as Duty's King of Prussia colt Yulong January aka Harry won very well on debut in the first at Swan Hill today, making mum's record four to race for four winners.
Still haven't decided where to send her this season but will either go back to King Of Prussia at $2,200 or ramp up to something more expensive and marketable.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:04pm
The following from the Thoroughbreds Victoria newsletter: exciting times.
Boutique Wangaratta breeders Allan and Cheryl Price were happy
campers after the win on debut by the Yulong owned, Ciaron Maher/David Eustace
trained colt Yulong January in the first at Swan Hill last Monday.
The bay colt jumped well and settled outside the co-leader
before forging away over the last 150 metres to win by two lengths with
something in hand.
The win also demonstrated the enormous value of having Zhang
Yuesheng’s Yulong Investments, a major new Chinese investor in Australian
racing and breeding, headquartered in Victoria. While Yulong have purchased at
the top end at yearling sales over recent years, they have also been a prolific
buyer of lesser profile Victorian bred yearlings.
This was the fourth win from as many starters for the Price’s
broodmare Duty With Honour, a city winner herself and whose brother to Yulong
January in Justify That was a dual stakes-winner of over half a million
dollars.
Yulong January is by the Greta West stallion King of Prussia,
and was reared by Bucklee farm’s Leeanne Smith.
Allan and Cheryl give great credit to the McCarthy’s at Greta
West as well as Smith and her dedicated staff at Bucklee Farm, recommending
both establishments to anyone looking for superior care of their broodmares,
foals, yearlings or spellers.
The colt was purchased by Mr Zhang for just $20,000 at the
Inglis Premier Sale in 2017. Allan indicated that an adverse X-ray of the
stifle was the reason for that modest price, however Allan and Cheryl could
hardly stifle a smile after the colt’s decisive win!
The mare’s two-year-old Cluster colt is currently with premier
Goulburn trainer Danny Williams. Williams, who has a high opinion of the
youngster, was quick to nominate him for both VOBIS Gold and Magic Millions.
The win provided welcome compensation for the Prices, as their
triple stake-winning home-bred 3YO Money Maher (Al Maher) unfortunately tore a
suspensory ligament in the South Australian Derby and faces a lengthy
rehabilitation.
But, as Allan Price, reflected, “that’s all just part and parcel
of the breeding business, you need to put the hits behind you and forever look
to the future.”
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:19pm
Fabulous breeding achievements with this mare, not that it translates to $$$ in the bank
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:22pm
Looks like a great win also.
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 2:30pm
Congrats guys, really pleased for you both.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2018 at 7:22pm
Thanksfolks.
Have been keeping an eye out for your horse Slowdown, but no nominations. Hope things are ok with the galloper.
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2018 at 7:00am
Should trial again Tuesday. After his last trial he got a bit of a cold. Caught it on time and has been back in work this week. Half mile evens yesterday and heart rate etc great so we push on
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 1:52pm
Well can you believe it, I finally decided on an outcross!
Was offered a very significant price reduction on Frosted, on type a perfect match for the mare and who should prove quite commercial.
Thanks for everyone's input.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 2:05pm
Frosted (USA) Grey 2012 | Tapit Grey 2001 | Pulpit Bay 1994 | A P Indy Bay or brown 1989 | Seattle Slew Weekend Surprise | 1974 1980 | 13-c 3-l | Preach Bay 1989 | Mr Prospector Narrate | 1970 1980 | 13-c 2-f | Tap Your Heels Grey 1996 | Unbridled Bay 1987 | Fappiano Gana Facil | 1977 1981 | 16-a 1-r | Ruby Slippers Grey 1982 | Nijinsky Moon Glitter | 1967 1972 | 8-f 3-o | Fast Cookie Bay 2000 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Chestnut 1967 | Northern Dancer Victoria Regina | 1961 1958 | 2-d 10-c | Mint Copy Bay or brown 1970 | Bunty's Flight Shakney | 1953 1964 | 19-b 10-a | Fleet Lady Bay or brown 1994 | Avenue of Flags Brown 1988 | Seattle Slew Beautiful Glass | 1974 1979 | 13-c 1-c | Dear Mimi Bay or brown 1987 | Roberto Carnival Princess | 1969 1974 | 12-c 16-g | Duty With Honour (AUS) Bay 1999 | West Point Bay 1993 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Quarantieme Chestnut 1985 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Dancelot Chestnut 1972 | Vain Hot Rhythm | 1966 1967 | A10 22-c | Abbondanza Bay 1990 | Century Brown 1969 | Better Boy Bay 1951 | My Babu Better So | 1945 1944 | 1-w 2-n | Royal Suite Brown 1960 | Rego Baraganda | 1949 1948 | 5-d 20> | Bounteous Bay 1982 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Vana Bay 1963 | Orgoglio Rarcamba | 1949 1946 | 23-a A10 |
| Ancestor duplications: | Seattle Slew | 5m,5m x | | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m | | Bletchingly | x 4f,4f |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 2:08pm
I wish you all the luck in the world.
And I hope I am wrong.
But I just can not see him succeeding in Australia.
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Posted By: Spearmint
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 7:51pm
Fantastic, he is a beautifully conformed stallion with a great race record.
I think he will make it as a stallion here and I look forward to seeing his first season foals.
I wonder if he will throw predominately Greys?
Best of luck 👍
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 8:13pm
Not sure Spearmint but to be a dominate grey you need to have it on both sides of the family. His sire's female line is the only part with the grey. But it would be lovely to get some more greys on the ground. Chautauqua looked so lovely today and D'Argento looks to be one who will carry the colour with aplume this season.
It's at least interesting to see Seattle Slew and Mr Prospector in his pedigree as these two come from the same family as Wilkes.
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Posted By: Spearmint
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2018 at 10:47am
Think you might be right Furious about the grey dominant factor. There is no direct female line in his pedigree that is grey. So he will probably have a normal distribution of coat colours in his progeny. Just love those dappled grey horses as well
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2018 at 3:18pm
Good luck with Yulong January on Saturday SC.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 11:58am
Thanks Furious.
He drew wide and there's a strong likelihood of rain in Adelaide on Saturday, so he's going to Swan hill today instead.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 12:06pm
oh well good luck there then!
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Posted By: lulu
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 7:23pm
Too good.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 7:47pm
That mare really loves King of Prussia! Another lovely win.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 7:49pm
The one it beat is out of a mare I picked from Stratum's first crop before I decided to close to Canny wasn't good. She was a beautiful mare a real looker.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2018 at 8:48pm
furious wrote:
That mare really loves King of Prussia! Another lovely win. |
No wonder, it's a fabulous mating
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Posted By: mc41
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 12:36am
Was impressive,not many can win there first 2
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 6:52pm
Thanks for everyone's kind words.
Yes Gay his breeding pattern comes up trumps both on paper and on the track, and a lot of thought went into the mating.
Duty's 2yo colt by Cluster is with Danny Williams, and there's a fair bit to enthuse about in his genetic makeup too, particularly if you can hack the 3 x 3 Danehill. Here's his pedigree, and a shot of him taken earlier this week:
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 9:40pm
Hello, has anybody noted, Yulong January is bred 5x7x7 to the FS Elated (Vain)/Vana. regards, Ticino P.S.: How about to name the next foal, with the above mating "You're so Vain"
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 9:46pm
Hello, sorry I made a mistake. I wanted to write abovementioned horse is bred 5x67x7 Rarcamba via FS Elated/Vana. regards, Ticino
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 10:02pm
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2018 at 10:41pm
Good powerful hindquarter there.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 4:12pm
Ticino wrote:
Hello, sorry I made a mistake. I wanted to write abovementioned horse is bred 5x7x7 Rarcamba via FS Elated/Vana. regards, Ticino |
That name you suggested is a beauty Ticino. However the major owner has names him Double Wrap.
And yes, Rarcamba does loom large even if she does appear some generations back.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2018 at 7:29pm
After Yulong January's win at Randwick today both my partner and Leeanne Smith of Bucklee Farm harassed me about going back to King of Prussia this season.
However she was yesterday confirmed in foal to Frosted.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2018 at 8:00pm
Hope its a filly SC. But she does seem to have an affinity with King of Prussia.
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Posted By: Cityboy
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 10:03am
Great win/ nice prizemoney👍
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 11:15am
Wangaratta’s son of the ‘King’ remains
unbeaten
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Described as a ‘‘a bit of a dude’’ by his trainer Ciaron Maher,
Victorian bred Yulong January is certainly taking it all in his stride as the
three-year-old now heads towards black-type targets.
The son of Greta West sire King Of Prussia, bred by Wangaratta’s
Allan and Cheryl Price, cruised to victory in the Young Members Handicap at
Randwick last Saturday keeping his unbeaten record intact.
Greta West’s Laurie McCarthy is thrilled the colt is flying the
flag for the stud’s longstanding stallion.
“You really have to take your hat off to King Of Prussia
as he only gets his ten or so mares a year, but he sure can throw a very handy
horse or two,” McCarthy said.
“We bought King of Prussia off the track and he is part of the
furniture now. He may not be the most commercial stallion, but when you look at
his runners the last couple of years he has had Prussian Vixen, Entre Nous, Cha
Cha King and now with Yulong January he certainly punches above his weight.
“He may be getting on a bit, but he is very fertile, and he
wouldn’t mind a few more mares coming his way.”
“(Breeder) Allan Price keeps his dam Duty With Honour at our
property and although she headed off to Frosted this year, after Yulong
January’s success Allan has said that she will certainly be coming back to King
Of Prussia next year.”
Ciaron Maher, who trains in partnership with David Eustace,
indicated that Yulong January will head to the Group 3 Carbine Club Stakes over
1600 metres at Flemington on Derby Day. “He’s a very genuine horse and just keeps improving. He’s a
straightforward no-frills horse. He does his work, he eats up – you wouldn’t
know he’s a colt,” Maher said.
Bred by the Prices, long-term clients of Greta West, Yulong
January was a yearling sold through the Bucklee Farm draft at the 2017 Inglis
Premier Sale. “He could prove to be a brilliant bargain by the end of the
spring carnival,” McCarthy said.
“Leeanne (Smith) and Bucklee Farm are pretty much our
neighbours, and they prepare and sell most of our yearlings. We have three
heading to them at this stage to the Premier Sale that are all going to be
worth a second look. We support each other, and they are a big help with all our
walk-ins.”
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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 12:50pm
Great stuff - must be a huge thrill. What does Duty With Honour have on the deck?
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 2:12pm
Fantastic Guys, great to see the recognition.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 2:24pm
Just shows there are stallions out there capable of getting a good horse with the right mare. I wonder which part of five great crosses has come through with this boy. You have the obvious Vain and the female line going back to his dams full sister. Century cross, Danzig/Bletchingly double as well as the double Danzig through two of his better sons. Then add the Sir Tristram/Bletchingly/Danehill trifecta.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 4:33pm
Thanks for everyone's kind words. It's a very exciting time.
Yes, a marvelous pedigree Furious. Don't know which of the crosses or nicks works, but something certainly does.
Robbo, the mare has a 2yo named Double Wrap with Danny Williams. Broken in, then two months in the paddock, into work education for 6 weeks, and now just back to the paddock. The mare had great trouble foaling him so wasn't served in 2016, and last year missed to King Of Prussia on one belated service in late December. She has an early positive to Frosted this season and fingers crossed she holds.
Yulong will most likely have his next start in a 3yo Listed race over 1400m on Caulfield Cup day, and all going well into the Carbine Club a fortnight later on Derby day. If he wins next start will poke my nose in and suggest they put in a late nomination for the Coolmore Stakes instead as I reckon he'd go great down the straight six.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 8:09pm
"She has an early positive to Frosted this season and fingers crossed she holds."
What appeals to you about this mating? This is the Tapit horse? BOL tomorrow too
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 8:50pm
Gay, I think our record since going full-on is 6 winners from 14 of racing age including two stakes-winners, with hopefully an additional stakes-performer after tomorrow's racing.
But that doesn't pay the bills, so we've gone with Frosted on two counts. Firstly he's a great match from a physical perspective, but more importantly it's time we went to a commercial stallion that might return us a *!# profit on investment.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 2:10pm
Well he got the black type but that riderless horse was quite a worry early on. He's well up to stakes company and should pick up a win next time in.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 3:04pm
Cheers I'm glad I wasn't missing an obvious pedigree match & hope it works in your favour come sale time
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2018 at 7:52pm
Thanks ladies.
We went down and were delighted with the run. Regan Bayliss said the riderless one got him on the steel just a bit which possibly made the difference. David Eustace said they'd see how he pulled up before making firm plans, but suggested the Carbine Club on Derby Day was a chance otherwise they might save him for the Sandown Guineas another two weeks later.
Just as an aside, we saw the colt prior to the race and asked the strapper what his stable name was, and he said they hadn't actually settled on one. We said he'd been brought up as "Harry" but of course he hadn't been called that for 18 months. So we called out his nickname and his ears immediately picked up, then repeated the exercise with the same result! So we strongly suggested they call him by that name in future.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 5:30pm
Yulong January resumes in the Gp 3Zeditave Stakes on Saturday. Wish him luck!
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 5:41pm
All the luck he can get would love to see him win it
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Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2019 at 6:39pm
Second Chance wrote:
Yulong January resumes in the Gp 3Zeditave Stakes on Saturday. Wish him luck! | all the best guys !!
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Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2019 at 4:40pm
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2019 at 7:07pm
The second favorite has just been scratched, along with an earlier roughie.
We could now run 2nd, and may even be a blowout chance of winning.
ps SC, don't get ahead of yourself.
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Posted By: GAJ
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 3:00pm
Gee he was unlucky in the running, a good third all the same But if only.. Congrats SC, more to come..
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 3:04pm
How do you get snookered in a five horse field!
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2019 at 7:05pm
Thanks folks. The final 100m was his best.
Trainers expected him to lead, try to get some cheap mid-race sectionals, and hopefully skip away.
You could say things didn't exactly go to plan.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2019 at 4:26pm
Canberra Guineas on Sunday for Harry, they put up $8 and $2.75 which I've been happy accept.
On form he'd have to be close to an each-way special, but Hughie can turn in more than the occasional ordinary ride on days when there's bigger fish to fry ie the Black Opal etc.
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