Adding speed to a middle distance mare
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Topic: Adding speed to a middle distance mare
Posted By: Sister Dot
Subject: Adding speed to a middle distance mare
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 12:30pm
Sire under or around 15K Help appreciated, need to book her in Mare has Hussonet on sire side and Dehere on dam side, Deputy Minister. 4x5 Mr P
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 12:43pm
Tanbon it'd be a lot easier if you gave us the mare's name.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 12:45pm
If we get a name I hope we talk class rather than short course speed.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 12:53pm
I agree with the above posters, you've given us about 1/16 of her genetic makeup - tho' maths certainly isn't my strong point!
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 2:16pm
The mare appears to be Wild Hostess.
A complicating factor is that the mare is essentially bred along sprinter/miler lines, despite racing over longer ground.
I'd possibly look to duplicate the marvelous Thong/Rough Shod in a future mating, and Smart Missile and Fighting Sun are among those who might be considered.
Others may have different opinions.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:00pm
Sorry, yes the mare is Wild Hostess. She’s sound and has a Excelebration filly on her now, first foal. Have been advised to upgrade and add speed?
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:07pm
Deep Field has been recommended by an astute judge to compliment her lineage and add speed.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:13pm
[QUOTE=tanbon] [QUOTE=tanbon] Deep Field has been recommended by an astute judge to compliment her lineage and add speed ? To be honest we are baulking at the cost. Dithering as to what to do. FS was on my initial list of sires but I’m a rank beginner at this
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:50pm
Yes this is a bit weak with the original mare imported a winner of 10 races including black type races which are like our restricted listed. Any mare who can win 10 races obviously has some ability and she also threw 8 runners for 8 winners. The best being by Fairy King and Hennessy. But even your mare's dam and a sybling by Anabaa won in the city.
So Second Chance's idea of Encosta blood as a son of Fairy King and bringing in more Special Thong blood isn't a bad idea. If you can add some Biscay/Bletchingly as Biscay and Dehere are the same female line it would be a bonus also.
So you have Fighting Sun just at that $15K mark but even the Tassy boy Needs Further has the right mix of Encosta/Bletchingly/Biscay. Rubick is advertised as dearer but you could work for a reduced rate. Likewise Manhattan Rain who also has that Encosta/Bletchingly cross.
Hennessy blood isn't that readily available One which you would have to get a reduced rate for could be No Nay Never a son of Scat Daddy from the Hennessy sireline. This still has the Mr Prospector crosses but gives you Ogygian (in Johannesburg) and Fappiano (in Host) who share the same grandam.
Good luck with your decision.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:52pm
WILD HOSTESS (AUS) | Bay filly 2009 | |
Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Chestnut 1961 | Native Dancer Raise You | 1950 1946 | 5-f 8-f | Gold Digger Bay 1962 | Nashua Sequence | 1952 1946 | 3-m 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Bay 1968 | Bold Ruler Missy Baba | 1954 1958 | 8-d 3-l | Nalees Flying Flag Bay 1975 | Hoist the Flag Nalee | 1968 1960 | 5-i 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Bay 1977 | Mr Prospector Killaloe | 1970 1970 | 13-c 16-a | Adlibber Bay 1977 | Never Bend Ivy Hackett | 1960 1966 | 19-b 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Bay 1962 | Paresa Despejada | 1955 1958 | 1-u 5-h | Cota 1973 | Aslam Coteria | 1965 1958 | 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Chestnut 1967 | Northern Dancer Victoria Regina | 1961 1958 | 2-d 10-c | Mint Copy Bay or brown 1970 | Bunty's Flight Shakney | 1953 1964 | 19-b 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Chestnut 1970 | Bold Ruler Somethingroyal | 1954 1952 | 8-d 2-s | Sword Game Bay or brown 1976 | Damascus Bill and I | 1964 1965 | 8-h 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Thong Bay 1964 | Nantallah Rough Shod | 1953 1944 | 6-a 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Chestnut 1964 | Tudor Minstrel Amiga | 1944 1947 | 9-c 13-c | Perfect Hand Grey 1972 | Hand to Hand Turn Ahead | 1965 1967 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | 3m,5m x 4m | | Bold Ruler | 5m x 5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:53pm
Excelebration (IRE) Bay 2008 | Exceed and Excel Bay 2000 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Patrona Chestnut 1994 | Lomond Bay 1980 | Northern Dancer My Charmer | 1961 1969 | 2-d 13-c | Gladiolus Chestnut 1974 | Watch Your Step Back Britches | 1956 1964 | 6-a 23-b | Sun Shower Bay 2001 | Indian Ridge Chestnut 1985 | Ahonoora Chestnut 1975 | Lorenzaccio Helen Nichols | 1965 1966 | 5-h 1-m | Hillbrow Chestnut 1975 | Swing Easy Golden City | 1968 1970 | 4-n 3-e | Miss Kemble Bay 1994 | Warning Bay 1985 | Known Fact Slightly Dangerous | 1977 1979 | 2-f 14-f | Sarah Siddons Bay 1973 | Le Levanstell Mariel | 1957 1968 | 7-e 9-a | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m,5m x | | Mr Prospector | x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:53pm
Deep Field (AUS) Bay 2010 | Northern Meteor Bay 2005 | Encosta de Lago Bay 1993 | Fairy King Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Shoal Creek Chestnut 1988 | Star Way Rolls | 1977 1984 | 6-e 4-g | Explosive Bay 1990 | Fappiano Bay 1977 | Mr Prospector Killaloe | 1970 1970 | 13-c 16-a | Scuff Chestnut 1979 | Forli Moccasin | 1963 1963 | 3-b 5-h | Listen Here Chestnut 2004 | Elusive Quality Bay 1993 | Gone West Bay 1984 | Mr Prospector Secrettame | 1970 1978 | 13-c 2-f | Touch of Greatness Bay 1986 | Hero's Honor Ivory Wand | 1980 1973 | 1-s 13-c | Announce Bay 1994 | Military Plume Bay 1983 | Sir Tristram Ultraviolet | 1971 1972 | 6-e 10-d | Theme Song Bay 1987 | Sackford Cotehele House | 1980 1980 | 20> 9-c | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | 5m,5m x 4m,5m | | Fappiano | 4f x 5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 3:56pm
TRANSPARENT (GB) | Chestnut filly 1946 | |
Hyperion Chestnut 1930 | Gainsborough Bay 1915 | Bayardo Bay 1906 | Bay Ronald Bay 1893 | Hampton Black Duchess | 1872 1886 | 10-a 3-o | Galicia Bay 1898 | Galopin Isoletta | 1872 1891 | 3-i 10-a | Rosedrop Chestnut 1907 | St Frusquin Brown 1893 | St Simon Isabel | 1881 1879 | 11-c 22-b | Rosaline Bay 1901 | Trenton Rosalys | 1881 1894 | 18> 2-n | Selene Bay 1919 | Chaucer Brown 1900 | St Simon Brown 1881 | Galopin St Angela | 1872 1865 | 3-i 11-c | Canterbury Pilgrim Chestnut 1893 | Tristan Pilgrimage | 1878 1875 | 10-d 1-g | Serenissima Bay 1913 | Minoru Brown 1906 | Cyllene Mother Siegel | 1895 1897 | 9-e 5-c | Gondolette Bay 1902 | Loved One Dongola | 1883 1883 | 1-g 6-e | Invisible Chestnut 1936 | Asterus Bay 1923 | Teddy Bay 1913 | Ajax Bay 1901 | Flying Fox Amie | 1896 1893 | 7-d 2-i | Rondeau Bay 1900 | Bay Ronald Doremi | 1893 1894 | 3-o 2-n | Astrella Bay 1912 | Verdun Chestnut 1906 | Rabelais Vellena | 1900 1894 | 14-a 1-f | Saint Astra Bay 1904 | Ladas St Celestra | 1891 1897 | 1-l 9-f | Will o' the Wisp Chestnut 1929 | Hurry On Chestnut 1913 | Marcovil Chestnut 1903 | Marco Lady Villikins | 1892 1885 | 3-k 12-c | Tout Suite Chestnut 1904 | Sainfoin Star | 1887 1887 | 2-g 2-d | William's Pride Bay 1911 | William the Third Bay 1898 | St Simon Gravity | 1881 1884 | 11-c 2-e | Stop Her Chestnut 1903 | Carbine Catcher | 1885 1896 | 2-h 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Bay Ronald | 4m x 5f | | Galopin | 5f,5m x | | St Simon | 5m,4m x 5m |
------------- reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 4:07pm
Fighting Sun has done well in 2017/18 as a first season stallion.
He's advertised at $15,400 including GST, however the match comes up with 20/20 Gp1 Goldmine ratingwhich means the stud will offer "special incentives" should you book.
I'd email Phil Marshall or Adam Henry at Sun Stud, say the match is a 20/20, and ask for their best price. You can further weigh up your options after they respond.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 4:08pm
Eurozone (AUS) Chestnut 2010 | Northern Meteor Bay 2005 | Encosta de Lago Bay 1993 | Fairy King Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Shoal Creek Chestnut 1988 | Star Way Rolls | 1977 1984 | 6-e 4-g | Explosive Bay 1990 | Fappiano Bay 1977 | Mr Prospector Killaloe | 1970 1970 | 13-c 16-a | Scuff Chestnut 1979 | Forli Moccasin | 1963 1963 | 3-b 5-h | Miss Vandal Bay 1998 | Don't Say Halo Bay or brown 1982 | Halo Bay or brown 1969 | Hail to Reason Cosmah | 1958 1953 | 4-n 2-d | Never Babble Bay or brown 1976 | Advocator Never Hula | 1963 1969 | 12-c 1-s | Zabatac Bay 1990 | Zabaleta Bay 1983 | Shecky Greene Winver | 1970 1972 | 13-c 9-b | Christmas Gift Brown 1981 | Arch Sculptor Santa Baby | 1973 1966 | 1-l 20> | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | 5m x 4m,5m | | Fappiano | 4f x 5m |
------------- reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 4:09pm
Fighting Sun (AUS) Bay 2011 | Northern Meteor Bay 2005 | Encosta de Lago Bay 1993 | Fairy King Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Shoal Creek Chestnut 1988 | Star Way Rolls | 1977 1984 | 6-e 4-g | Explosive Bay 1990 | Fappiano Bay 1977 | Mr Prospector Killaloe | 1970 1970 | 13-c 16-a | Scuff Chestnut 1979 | Forli Moccasin | 1963 1963 | 3-b 5-h | Irish Darling Chestnut 2001 | Ivory's Irish Chestnut 1991 | Best Western Chestnut 1978 | Bletchingly Grease Paint | 1970 1970 | 7-a 2-b | Engagement Chestnut 1974 | Northfields Royal News | 1968 1965 | 4-r 13-a | Sandy Darling Chestnut 1994 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Evening Line Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Balmereve | 1971 1981 | 6-e C2 | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | 5m,5m x 4m,5m | | Fappiano | 4f x 5m | | Geiger Counter | 4f x 4f |
------------- reductio ad absurdum
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 4:17pm
Second Chance wrote:
Fighting Sun has done well in 2017/18 as a first season stallion.
He's advertised at $15,400 including GST, however the match comes up with 20/20 Gp1 Goldmine ratingwhich means the stud will offer "special incentives" should you book. I'd email Phil Marshall or Adam Henry at Sun Stud, say the match is a 20/20, and ask for their best price. You can further weigh up your options after they respond. |
Another advantage in visiting Sun Stud is that rather than paying the service fee after a 45 positive test, it's only payable following the delivery of a live foal.
Don't know what the story is at Newgate Farm where Deep Field and Eurozone stand.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 4:22pm
Extreme Choice might be an extreme choice but I like him.
Extreme Choice (AUS) Chestnut 2013 | Not a Single Doubt Bay 2001 | Redoute's Choice Bay 1996 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Razyana | 1977 1981 | 7-a 2-d | Shantha's Choice Bay 1992 | Canny Lad Dancing Show | 1987 1983 | 14> 8-f | Singles Bar Chestnut 1991 | Rory's Jester Chestnut 1982 | Crown Jester Rory's Rocket | 1978 1973 | 13-e 1-m | Easy Date Bay 1977 | Grand Chaudiere Scampering | 1968 1970 | 19-b 20-a | Extremely Bay 2005 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Going to Extremes Bay 1994 | Nasty and Bold Bay 1975 | Naskra College Bold | 1967 1968 | 3-e 1-s | Ole Bow Wower Bay 1981 | Ole Bob Bowers Sweet Endeavour | 1963 1965 | 4-c 12-c | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | 4m x 4m,5m | | Hussonet | 3f x 3m |
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 5:06pm
Thinking of soundness, would you really want to add 2 more lines of Mr P to her own 3 or would they be distant enough?
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 6:29pm
He's a funny one Gay with many bred with him in the 2nd line going well and showing no signs of troubles.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 6:30pm
Good question Gay, and I suspect there's no definitive answer. However if both sire and dam were sound and a "suspect" stallion is four or five generations back in the progeny, I'd have no qualms about the doubling up.
Deep Field was sound so no problem there. Can't speak for Eurozone.
Fighting Sun tore a suspensory ligament but imo that's not genetic (as distinct from DSLD in older horses). For example, people here will know that our stakes-winning 3yo Money Maher recently sustained a torn suspensory, however he's by a sire that throws strong stock and is out of a mare whose family is noted for soundness and durability. Simple case of being quickly retrained to avoid getting on heels causing severe impact to the cushioning ligament.
We had a Host gelding and he too was bred to be a sprinter/miler but still needed 1600-2000m. So that's probably where the middle distance aspect of Wild Hostess comes from, and perhaps highlights the need for some genuine speed in her matings.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 6:40pm
I suspect Wild Hostess was tried at a middle distance just to try something. She showed very little beyond a mile.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:21pm
Her race at Canberra 1600 24.415 she flew home 4th and would have won but jock hopped off and said he had put her behind 2 horses he thought were travelling and they weren’t. Had to try and pull her out and get going again near the post. Started fav at next start as a result. Qbeyan next start 2000m she flew home running on late down the outside. Ran 6/15. Made up a lot of ground. Canberra 1600 next start, short price again but jockey, who knew her, hopped off and said spell her, something amiss. Last prep she was doing good times at trackwork, trainer expected her to win, she didn’t put it into her race so we retired her. Lost interest, she was always a bit field shy and ran better from outside barriers. Same old bad luck stories everyone has at one time or another. Got slaughtered at Sapphire when she should have led in the wet and won easy, but urposely held back for a last crack at them, and so it goes. Just a bit better than she looks on paper.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:30pm
The stallions u have here are the exact ones I initially came up with plus Giants Steps 😊
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 8:34pm
Wonder what that big dose of Hussonet might produce, has anybody else tried it?
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2018 at 10:53pm
Thanks for your input, some great food for thought🐴 😊
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 10:29am
Looking at the family, the first thing we notice is that it is not a highly commercial one. Most of the winners are of fairly moderate races so there would appear little benefit in breeding for a sales ring. In my view, the idea of looking at proven stallions is a distinct advantage in a long term breeding plan for the mare. If we look at the more successful family members, we see that close inbreeding has not been a strategy that has worked, so it is not a strategy that I would be recommending in this case. Perhaps the best runner of late has been a filly by I Am Invincible called Balle D'Or who was placed in Melbourne. This pedigree has relatively little inbreeding, and focuses on the Northern Dancer influence, so maybe breeding away from Mr P could be a key in Australia for this family.
A few stallions that I would be considering in no particular order, and without an in-depth investigation, and sticking in NSW as it would seem prudent to travel as little as possible.
Casino Prince - no longer fashionable but can get a good runner and regular winners. The pedigree does bring in another line of Mr P, although through a daughter to balance the all male influence through the mare's pedigree
Al Maher - another stallion that is well priced considering his results on the track. Again, a well balanced looking mating and I would suggest a solid racing prospect. Probably my preferred option on face value
Testa Rossa - again, a wonderful stallion now getting on a bit, but capable of producing good progeny. This mating probably introduces more speed than the others, and the mare, Thong who obviously has had success with Mr P.
Myboycharlie - He had a great impact when first coming here, but maybe his age and his shuttling has affected his performance a bit. Still, a good sire and a reasonable option for the mare. The pedigree looks a little more hit and miss than some of the others, but we have some interesting influences including Thong a little further back, Raise A Native, the sire of Mr P so maybe this is the way to best utilise this influence, Never Bend and of course, Northern Dancer.
Like most, I am probably unconvinced that the mare was a staying type, and it would be important to consider her physical type in the assessment especially given this query. As one of our older members once posted wisely, all horse will run two miles, it is just that some do it faster than others. In the case of this mare running over some distance, we have to consider that she may have been running against a field of relatively slow horses rather than quality stayers. If that is the case, the idea of ensuring stamina in the mating is something that can be considered instead of looking at speed influences in particular.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 11:15am
Actually Progold in the family where you do find stakes winners they are inbred usually to a mare. Ie the suggestion of using Thong and Mr Prospector as both have links to other branches with a female with crosses. I agree this mare isn't commercial though I think they are breeding to race.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 12:13pm
Nasrullah, Hyperion, Mumtaz Begum, Nearco, Miss Dogwood, War Relic, Discovery, Count Fleet are just some of the inbreeding. Not close inbreeding but crossed usually 4th or 5th generation. Also they are looking for speed and often speed is through inbreeding and stamina though outcross. Mind you if you inbreed to a speed machine you might see it go further than you think and inbreeding to Sir Tristram etc can see you get a sprinter so there is no set rule.
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Posted By: Progold
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 12:38pm
To be honest, I didn't look that far back into the stakes winners, as those were all overseas and the quality of the races they won are probably questionable. Many Listed races in the US are classified because of the stakes money, which was the equivalent of a Sydney metropolitan race. I was looking at horses like Southern Shimmer and Balle D'Or which are the best of the locals.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:05pm
I know progold. I can't understand why anyone thought to import the first mare at all. But they are producing city winners which is better than some are breeding with. I try to look at the whole line first as usually there are some clues to what will work. Hence a mix of Encosta and Bletchingly/Canny Lad. With all that Hyperion and 9c family in B & C's pedigree and the cross of Thong in Encosta. Canny's in I am Invincible also which could give a clue to that direction.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:30pm
Al Maher (AUS) Bay 2001 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Pas de Nom Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage Petitioner | 1959 1952 | 4-n 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Bay 1968 | Ribot Flower Bowl | 1952 1952 | 4-l 4-d | Spring Adieu Bay 1974 | Buckpasser Natalma | 1963 1957 | 1-s 2-d | Show Dancing Brown 1993 | Don't Say Halo Bay or brown 1982 | Halo Bay or brown 1969 | Hail to Reason Cosmah | 1958 1953 | 4-n 2-d | Never Babble Bay or brown 1976 | Advocator Never Hula | 1963 1969 | 12-c 1-s | Dancing Show Bay 1983 | Nijinsky Bay 1967 | Northern Dancer Flaming Page | 1961 1959 | 2-d 8-f | Show Lady Bay 1976 | Sir Ivor Best in Show | 1965 1965 | 8-g 8-f | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m,5m x | | Natalma | 5m,5f x | | Mr Prospector | x 4m,5m |
Casino Prince (AUS) Bay 2003 | Flying Spur Bay 1992 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Rolls Chestnut 1984 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Grand Luxe Chestnut 1974 | Sir Ivor Fanfreluche | 1965 1967 | 8-g 4-g | Lady Capel Brown 1993 | Last Tycoon Bay or brown 1983 | Try My Best Bay 1975 | Northern Dancer Sex Appeal | 1961 1970 | 2-d 8-f | Mill Princess Bay 1977 | Mill Reef Irish Lass | 1968 1962 | 22-d 8-c | Kew Gardens Bay 1981 | Kenmare Grey 1975 | Kalamoun Belle of Ireland | 1970 1964 | 9-c 1-m | Garden Green Bay 1964 | Pinturischio Focal | 1958 1959 | 4-r 21-a | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m,5m x | | Mr Prospector | 4f x 4m,5m |
Testa Rossa (AUS) Bay 1996 | Perugino Bay or brown 1991 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Pas de Nom Bay or brown 1968 | Admiral's Voyage Petitioner | 1959 1952 | 4-n 7-a | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Bay 1968 | Hail to Reason Lalun | 1958 1952 | 4-n 19-b | Special Bay 1969 | Forli Thong | 1963 1964 | 3-b 5-h | Bo Dapper Bay 1985 | Sir Dapper Bay 1980 | Vain Chestnut 1966 | Wilkes Elated | 1952 1957 | 13-c A10 | Sikri Bay 1967 | Golden Plume Miss Sikri | 1960 1963 | 19-b C25 | Bodega Bay 1973 | Without Fear Bay 1967 | Baldric Never Too Late | 1961 1957 | 13-c 4-c | Salon Brown 1964 | Fortino Soiree | 1959 1953 | 4-r 1-w | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Thong | 5f x 5m | | Mr Prospector | x 4m,5m |
Myboycharlie (IRE) Bay 2005 | Danetime Bay 1994 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Razyana Bay 1981 | His Majesty Spring Adieu | 1968 1974 | 4-d 2-d | Allegheny River Bay 1987 | Lear Fan Bay 1981 | Roberto Wac | 1969 1969 | 12-c 20> | Allesheny Chestnut 1982 | Be My Guest Bold Sands | 1974 1977 | 8-c 4-r | Dulceata Bay 1988 | Rousillon Bay or brown 1981 | Riverman Bay 1969 | Never Bend River Lady | 1960 1963 | 19-b 10-a | Belle Dorine Bay 1977 | Marshua's Dancer Palsy Walsy | 1968 1960 | 16> 8-k | Snowtop Bay 1983 | Thatching Bay 1975 | Thatch Abella | 1970 1968 | 5-h 5-h | Icing Bay 1973 | Prince Tenderfoot Cake | 1967 1967 | 8-c 13-e | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Mr Prospector | x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:31pm
SOUTHERN SHIMMER (AUS) | Bay gelding 2007 | |
Southern Image Bay or brown 2000 | Halo's Image Bay or brown 1991 | Halo Bay or brown 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Cosmah Bay 1953 | Cosmic Bomb Almahmoud | 1944 1947 | 14-f 2-d | Sugar's Image Bay 1981 | Valid Appeal Bay or brown 1972 | In Reality Desert Trial | 1964 1963 | 21-a 2-c | Sugar Del Bay 1971 | Crozier Best Answer | 1958 1962 | 23-b 12-b | Pleasant Dixie Bay 1995 | Dixieland Band Bay 1980 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Mississippi Mud Bay 1973 | Delta Judge Sand Buggy | 1960 1963 | 12-c 4-m | Pleasant Jolie Bay or brown 1988 | Pleasant Colony Bay or brown 1978 | His Majesty Sun Colony | 1968 1968 | 4-d 5-a | Jolie Jolie Bay or brown 1980 | Sir Ivor Who's to Know | 1965 1970 | 8-g 13-c | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Chestnut 1967 | Northern Dancer Victoria Regina | 1961 1958 | 2-d 10-c | Mint Copy Bay or brown 1970 | Bunty's Flight Shakney | 1953 1964 | 19-b 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Chestnut 1970 | Bold Ruler Somethingroyal | 1954 1952 | 8-d 2-s | Sword Game Bay or brown 1976 | Damascus Bill and I | 1964 1965 | 8-h 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Thong Bay 1964 | Nantallah Rough Shod | 1953 1944 | 6-a 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Chestnut 1964 | Tudor Minstrel Amiga | 1944 1947 | 9-c 13-c | Perfect Hand Grey 1972 | Hand to Hand Turn Ahead | 1965 1967 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 4m x 5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:32pm
BALLE D'OR (AUS) | Bay or brown filly 2014 | |
I Am Invincible Bay 2004 | Invincible Spirit Bay 1997 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Foreign Courier Bay 1979 | Sir Ivor Courtly Dee | 1965 1968 | 8-g A4 | Rafha Bay 1987 | Kris Chestnut 1976 | Sharpen Up Doubly Sure | 1969 1971 | 5-i 2-o | Eljazzi Bay 1981 | Artaius Border Bounty | 1974 1965 | 14-c 7-a | Cannarelle Bay 1998 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Jesmond Lass Chestnut 1975 | Lunchtime Beautiful Dreamer | 1970 1967 | 7-f 14> | Countess Pedrille Bay 1994 | Zoffany Bay 1980 | Our Native Grey Dawn Girl | 1970 1970 | 20-a 1-n | Sister Pedrille Chestnut 1980 | Cardinal Royal Law | 1969 1975 | 2-s 1-n | Tale of Love Bay 2006 | Tale of the Cat Bay or brown 1994 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | Terlingua Chestnut 1976 | Secretariat Crimson Saint | 1970 1969 | 2-s 8-c | Yarn Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Narrate Bay or brown 1980 | Honest Pleasure State | 1973 1974 | 11-f 2-f | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5m x 5m | | Secretariat | x 5f,5f | | Mr Prospector | x 4f,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:33pm
$11,000 match up
Super One (AUS) Bay 2012 | I Am Invincible Bay 2004 | Invincible Spirit Bay 1997 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Foreign Courier | 1977 1979 | 7-a A4 | Rafha Bay 1987 | Kris Eljazzi | 1976 1981 | 2-o 7-a | Cannarelle Bay 1998 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Jesmond Lass | 1970 1975 | 7-a 14> | Countess Pedrille Bay 1994 | Zoffany Sister Pedrille | 1980 1980 | 1-n 1-n | Tails Wins Bay 2005 | Tale of the Cat Bay or brown 1994 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Terlingua | 1978 1976 | 4-j 8-c | Yarn Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Narrate | 1970 1980 | 13-c 2-f | Multiple Wins Brown 1999 | Sea Salute Bay or brown 1992 | Danzig Glowing Honor | 1977 1985 | 7-a 1-s | Princess Sybil Bay 1987 | Cormorant Dame Sybil | 1974 1978 | 5-j 16-g | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Danzig | 5m,5m x | | Mr Prospector | 5f x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:35pm
Another $11,000 match up
Overshare (AUS) Bay 2014 | I Am Invincible Bay 2004 | Invincible Spirit Bay 1997 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Foreign Courier | 1977 1979 | 7-a A4 | Rafha Bay 1987 | Kris Eljazzi | 1976 1981 | 2-o 7-a | Cannarelle Bay 1998 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Jesmond Lass | 1970 1975 | 7-a 14> | Countess Pedrille Bay 1994 | Zoffany Sister Pedrille | 1980 1980 | 1-n 1-n | Savannah's Choice Bay or brown 2007 | Redoute's Choice Bay 1996 | Danehill Bay 1986 | Danzig Razyana | 1977 1981 | 7-a 2-d | Shantha's Choice Bay 1992 | Canny Lad Dancing Show | 1987 1983 | 14> 8-f | Kirov Premiere Bay 1990 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge | 1961 1975 | 2-d 5-h | Querida Bay or brown 1975 | Habitat Principia | 1966 1970 | 4-r 16-a | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Danzig | 5m,5m x | | Canny Lad | 4f,5f x | | Mr Prospector | x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:37pm
$44.000 match up
Brazen Beau (AUS) Brown 2011 | I Am Invincible Bay 2004 | Invincible Spirit Bay 1997 | Green Desert Bay 1983 | Danzig Foreign Courier | 1977 1979 | 7-a A4 | Rafha Bay 1987 | Kris Eljazzi | 1976 1981 | 2-o 7-a | Cannarelle Bay 1998 | Canny Lad Brown 1987 | Bletchingly Jesmond Lass | 1970 1975 | 7-a 14> | Countess Pedrille Bay 1994 | Zoffany Sister Pedrille | 1980 1980 | 1-n 1-n | Sansadee Black 2000 | Snaadee Bay or brown 1987 | Danzig Bay 1977 | Northern Dancer Pas de Nom | 1961 1968 | 2-d 7-a | Somfas Bay or brown 1978 | What a Pleasure Ciboulette | 1965 1961 | 5-f 4-g | Sansapa Black 1988 | Bletchingly Brown 1970 | Biscay Coogee | 1965 1959 | 2-o 7-a | Nearctic Answer Bay or brown 1973 | Nearctic Prize Answer | 1954 1965 | 14-c 4-g | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Danzig | 5m,4m x | | Bletchingly | 5m,4f x | | Mr Prospector | x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:39pm
$4,000 match up Trusting
Trusting (AUS) Bay 2006 | Tale of the Cat Bay or brown 1994 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | Terlingua Chestnut 1976 | Secretariat Crimson Saint | 1970 1969 | 2-s 8-c | Yarn Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Narrate Bay or brown 1980 | Honest Pleasure State | 1973 1974 | 11-f 2-f | Legible Bay 1999 | Zabeel Bay 1986 | Sir Tristram Bay 1971 | Sir Ivor Isolt | 1965 1961 | 8-g 6-e | Lady Giselle Bay 1982 | Nureyev Valderna | 1977 1972 | 5-h 16-c | Waihora's Lass Brown 1990 | Tights Bay 1981 | Nijinsky Dancealot | 1967 1971 | 8-f 16-g | Indhira Bay 1979 | Taipan Eagle's Eyrie | 1963 1963 | 22-b 8-f | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Secretariat | 5f x 5f | | Mr Prospector | 4f x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:42pm
A very negotiable $6,000 match up - Whittington
Whittington (AUS) Bay 2010 | Tale of the Cat Bay or brown 1994 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | Terlingua Chestnut 1976 | Secretariat Crimson Saint | 1970 1969 | 2-s 8-c | Yarn Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Narrate Bay or brown 1980 | Honest Pleasure State | 1973 1974 | 11-f 2-f | Maha Chakri Chestnut 2003 | Beautiful Crown Bay 1991 | Chief's Crown Bay 1982 | Danzig Six Crowns | 1977 1976 | 7-a 23-b | Beautiful Glass Bay 1979 | Pass the Glass Beautiful Spirit | 1971 1973 | 22-b 1-c | Thai Lunch Chestnut 1988 | Lunchtime Chestnut 1970 | Silly Season Great Occasion | 1962 1965 | 1-g 7-f | Thaiuette Brown 1981 | Baguette Thai-Silk | 1967 1966 | 6-c 14-b | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Secretariat | 5f x 5f | | Mr Prospector | 4f x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 1:44pm
And the last one for now, a $9,000 match up Real Saga.
Real Saga (AUS) Bay 2006 | Tale of the Cat Bay or brown 1994 | Storm Cat Bay or brown 1983 | Storm Bird Bay 1978 | Northern Dancer South Ocean | 1961 1967 | 2-d 4-j | Terlingua Chestnut 1976 | Secretariat Crimson Saint | 1970 1969 | 2-s 8-c | Yarn Bay or brown 1987 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Narrate Bay or brown 1980 | Honest Pleasure State | 1973 1974 | 11-f 2-f | Windy Kate Bay 2000 | Air Express Bay 1994 | Salse Bay 1985 | Topsider Carnival Princess | 1974 1974 | 5-h 16-g | Ibtisamm Chestnut 1981 | Caucasus Lorgnette | 1972 1964 | 5-g 17-b | Kate Be Good Brown 1988 | Semipalatinsk Bay 1978 | Nodouble School Board | 1965 1968 | A1 23-b | Kaoru Katie Chestnut 1977 | Kaoru Star I'm a Charmer | 1965 1970 | 31> 2-j | Wild Hostess (AUS) Bay 2009 | Host Chestnut 2000 | Hussonet Chestnut 1991 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Sacahuista Bay 1984 | Raja Baba Nalees Flying Flag | 1968 1975 | 3-l 9-f | Colonna Traiana Chestnut 1993 | Roy Bay 1983 | Fappiano Adlibber | 1977 1977 | 16-a 13-c | Propinada Bay 1981 | Prologo Cota | 1962 1973 | 5-h 22-a | Djel d'Amour Brown 1999 | Dehere Bay 1991 | Deputy Minister Bay or brown 1979 | Vice Regent Mint Copy | 1967 1970 | 10-c 10-a | Sister Dot Bay 1985 | Secretariat Sword Game | 1970 1976 | 2-s 2-o | Franssica d'Amour Bay 1990 | Geiger Counter Bay 1982 | Mr Prospector Thong | 1970 1964 | 13-c 5-h | Big Apple Baby Bay 1980 | Tumiga Perfect Hand | 1964 1972 | 13-c 7> |
| Ancestor duplications: | Secretariat | 5f x 5f | | Mr Prospector | 4f x 4m,5m |
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Posted By: Ticino
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2018 at 11:07pm
Hello, Host, the Sire of "Wild Hostess", the Granddam is by Prologo is from a uncommon branch of Fam. 5-h. A closer look revealed, this branch is already to find in AUS peds. Denis Boy is from the same branch and to find in "Vain". Just to make it easier: Host-Prologo-Merrylips; Vain-Denis Boy-Merrylips Regards, Ticino
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 9:37am
I could put up a photo but can’t see how to do it, great conformation, very clean winded,built like a stayer. And yes, definitely breeding to race ourselves.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2018 at 11:11am
Surely she needs a massive dose of good old colonial blood
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:22am
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:27am
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:30am
6 month old filly by Excelebration https://postimg.cc/image/szl8poujv/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:31am
Thanks for that, would never have found it 👌
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:34am
If we could replicate Southern Shimmer I’d be more than happy
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:37am
Testa Rossa at Stallion parade, think he was 22.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:38am
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 2:30am
U know I’ve become very keen on this, Inbreeding to Sacahuista. My mares not a Hussonet shaped horse at all, then again neither was Host. Wonder if anyone else has flown this close to the wind with the breeding?
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Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 12:12pm
tanbon
Line breeding to Sacahuista has been tried a couple of times in NZ through the use of Ekraar. It was with the same mare and I do not think it produced anything but that is not to say it would not work with another mare, especially if it was a little further back in the pedigree.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 2:28pm
Hi, This would be 4m x 4f
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 2:29pm
Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 3:26pm
I think the NZ attempt was closer ( sorry I cannot find it in my old sales catalogues ) but I would think 4x4 would worth a try.
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Posted By: Breeder
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2018 at 3:37pm
I have found the details now tanbon. It was 2mx3f The sales page : https://nzb.co.nz/sales/pedigree.cfm?sale_id=177&lot=1180" rel="nofollow - https://nzb.co.nz/sales/pedigree.cfm?sale_id=177&lot=1180
The breeding history of the dam :
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I was wrong. Ekraarstaic looks to have done OK 4 wins from 28 starts. 2000m+ type of horse. I see there was a 2013 colt sold to Australia named Noble King. Could be worth following up on it.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 12:53am
Noble King is gelded, 5yo, racing over 2000-2200m around Perth in WA. Sold tried horse 2017 $21500.00
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2018 at 11:40pm
Thanks for all the great input, just letting contributors know that WH is booked to Deep Field, old Testa was right up there too 🐎👌🙏
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2018 at 11:50pm
As was Fighting Sun. There’s a good horse in there somewhere?! Just have to hope we chose wisely and have a lot of fun with a nice sound half handy horse
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2019 at 10:26am
Sister Dot wrote:
As was Fighting Sun. There’s a good horse in there somewhere?! Just have to hope we chose wisely and have a lot of fun with a nice sound half handy horse |
Wild Hostess just tested positive to Deep Field 45 day preg test. High hopes! 🤞🍀
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2019 at 10:28am
Thanks heaps for all the input and great info 🙏
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