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Topic: The Autumn Sun
Posted By: djebel
Subject: The Autumn Sun
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 3:24pm
THE AUTUMN SUN (AUS)Bay colt 2015 
Redoute's Choice
Bay 1996
Danehill
Bay 1986
Danzig
Bay 1977
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Pas de Nom
Bay or brown 1968
Admiral's Voyage
Petitioner
1959
1952
4-n
7-a
Razyana
Bay 1981
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
Spring Adieu
Bay 1974
Buckpasser
Natalma
1963
1957
1-s
2-d
Shantha's Choice
Bay 1992
Canny Lad
Brown 1987
Bletchingly
Brown 1970
Biscay
Coogee
1965
1959
2-o
7-a
Jesmond Lass
Chestnut 1975
Lunchtime
Beautiful Dreamer
1970
1967
7-f
14>
Dancing Show
Bay 1983
Nijinsky
Bay 1967
Northern Dancer
Flaming Page
1961
1959
2-d
8-f
Show Lady
Bay 1976
Sir Ivor
Best in Show
1965
1965
8-g
8-f
Azmiyna
Bay 2010
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Asmara
Bay 1993
Lear Fan
Bay 1981
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Bramalea
1958
1959
4-n
12-c
Wac
Bay 1969
Lt Stevens
Belthazar
1961
1960
5-h
20>
Anaza
Bay 1986
Darshaan
Brown 1981
Shirley Heights
Delsy
1975
1972
1-l
13-c
Azaarika
Bay 1976
Ribero
Arcana
1965
1971
4-c
4-i
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer4m,5m x 4m Natalma5m,5f x 5m


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Replies:
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 5:20pm
Gee that was some win to state the bleeding obvious. Look out Brisbane - although not suited Randwick to Doomben!

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 5:30pm
I would imagine he goes to 1400m next ?

That should offset the track issue, Also he was very green in the straight, He showed a genuine turn of foot that again should offset any track issue.




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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2018 at 5:43pm
Serious horse, no doubt. Waller 2yos in winter - look out!

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 2:34pm
Just wins? $2.2 with Graff out.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 4:02pm
Going to have a bet on him as on ability he is just lengths ahead of these. But I won't be taking anything in the red for him just concerned if he gets cluttered up from barrier 2. Willing to take the evens that he doesn't though and streaks away from the field.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 25 May 2018 at 9:24pm
$2.2 is long gone now!

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 May 2018 at 2:51pm


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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 27 May 2018 at 8:23pm
"He was just floating, playing games with them. In around 12 months time you'll see a very good horse - races like the Randwick and Rosehill Guineas will be his go." – an early tip from The Autumn Sun’s rider Brenton Avdulla.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:51pm
Rubbing my hands with $11 and all he's doing now is getting out. Why?

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:52pm
This is a bit of a rise in grade.




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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:54pm
Inexperience, wet. Will be a good one irrespective of today. Vbol Sunline.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:58pm
Oh wow!!!!

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 4:58pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Rubbing my hands with $11 and all he's doing now is getting out. Why?

You're talking $11 from weeks ago ?

Well done.




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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:00pm
Raw ability. Bet that out a smile on your face at the 200.LOL


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:00pm
Yes mate.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:05pm
liked the pricked ears also.  He had more to give if needed.


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:18pm
He is so small and raw.
A good spell in the Qld sun will bring him right on.
Exciting prospect


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:19pm
small?


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:29pm
Originally posted by 3blindmice 3blindmice wrote:

small?


Look at his rump and shoulder. They are tiny, he’s just a big bag of bones


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:29pm
He needs to grow into his body


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Rubbing my hands with $11 and all he's doing now is getting out. Why?


   The drift was a worry but I stuck ...   Watch out Winx.


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 5:51pm
The photo above doesn't suggest that to me Shawy. No doubt he's raw though. Currently doing everything on class.


Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 8:14pm
No doubt a quality galloper and should be the early favourite for the Spring Champion.

I might be a glutton for punishment here, but I still think Sesar has a good win in him somewhere!

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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:49am
Not convinced he's a 2000m+ horse. The Redoute's Choices rarely are, albeit that's only half the pedigree picture.

Love the Guineas for him and then they can take a sneak peak at the Cox Plate if he's mature and strong enough at that point. Looks quite weak at this point in time, but a horse can bloom into the spring!


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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: RED HUNTER
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 12:50pm

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:

Not convinced he's a 2000m+ horse. The Redoute's Choices rarely are, albeit that's only half the pedigree picture.

Love the Guineas for him and then they can take a sneak peak at the Cox Plate if he's mature and strong enough at that point. Looks quite weak at this point in time, but a horse can bloom into the spring!


Again this is an Australianism.

Waller will not do what is best by the horse, he will do what he thinks is best by his owners potential stallion life.



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Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 4:03pm
Enormous trial

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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2018 at 4:15pm
Agree. His stablemate went just as good.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 3:58pm
They're letting g you on here. He doesn't need to get too far back.

This is a proper horse!


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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 4:03pm
There’s your Saturday Slaughter


Posted By: MJB
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 4:03pm


Shocking watch. Should have won without a shadow of a doubt.


Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 4:05pm
What a disgrace. Jeff Lloyd in race 4 Doomben weasels just as bad.

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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 4:09pm
Public apology followed by a mob lynching is all that will get that out of my system.

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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 4:09pm
Ouch I thought he'd fall he is a big colt.  To his credit he tried at the end and didn't just say oh I'm not going on now!


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 4:17pm
Took $2.60. Waller and Mcevoy looking at the video to see if they can get the stablemate over the line. That would be adding insult to injury. Very negative ride by Kmac.




Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 4:21pm
He's a big colt swing him wide and he'd stretch out!  Why swing back in behind tired horses.


Posted By: AdaHunta
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2018 at 10:10pm
He might be the Derby winner this colt 


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 12:14am
Originally posted by AdaHunta AdaHunta wrote:

He might be the Derby winner this colt 

Be hard as Waller has said theres 0 chance he goes to the Victoria Derby


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 12:57am
Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by AdaHunta AdaHunta wrote:

He might be the Derby winner this colt 


Be hard as Waller has said theres 0 chance he goes to the Victoria Derby


The Derby adds no value to a colt.

It might well be the perfect race a horse but that is not what Waller is about.

🤔



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Posted By: mikey
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 2:22am
Track made it hard for him today but it looks like he needs further.


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 3:30am
Originally posted by mikey mikey wrote:

Track made it hard for him today but it looks like he needs further.

Really? To me it looked like he needed to get out before the 100. 


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 2:59pm
Lol. And Yes


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by AdaHunta AdaHunta wrote:

He might be the Derby winner this colt 


Be hard as Waller has said theres 0 chance he goes to the Victoria Derby


The Derby adds no value to a colt.

It might well be the perfect race a horse but that is not what Waller is about.

🤔



Derbies are races we put on for the geldings.Wink


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Simon Cameron



Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 4:06pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Originally posted by AdaHunta AdaHunta wrote:

He might be the Derby winner this colt 


Be hard as Waller has said theres 0 chance he goes to the Victoria Derby


The Derby adds no value to a colt.

It might well be the perfect race a horse but that is not what Waller is about.

🤔



Derbies are races we put on for the geldings.Wink

But it's not just that, he said that in general he doesn't like setting his for the Melbourne Oaks/Derby. Preferment is his only winner and he said that the Sydney ones feel better for the majority of his horses in terms of timing.




Posted By: AdaHunta
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2018 at 4:46pm
Next time your on the phone to Waller tell him I said hi ...lol


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2018 at 11:48pm
I must admit I am absolutely staggered at the price The Autumn Sun has been for the last week. In my opinion should be at a minimum half the $6. He is an absolute freak and should be unbeaten, my advice is get on him now for this and the caulfield guineas because he is a special horse.

He will start favourite come race time but this is clearly the Bet of the spring. Best 3yo in the country.

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Posted By: robbo
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 11:11am
I grabbed $8.00 boosted last night. Unbelievable value.


Posted By: mikey
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 12:14pm
If something seems too good to be true, it usually is


Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by robbo robbo wrote:

I grabbed $8.00 boosted last night. Unbelievable value.

Sportsbet had $10 boosted all last week , they appear to be laying it, like the $6.50 boosted for Kementari last week.



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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 7:40pm
So is there a problem Houston?


Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 7:51pm
Probably no liftoff

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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 7:56pm
Great response.  Star

But quite seriously how can they offer those odds unless (1) there indeed is a problem or (2) people can only get on for peanuts?


Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 8:15pm
Just looking at odds.com it has been removed from the market yet the individual bookmakers still have it in their markets -very strange.

https://www.odds.com.au/sport/horse-racing-futures/futures/golden-rose-1400m/" rel="nofollow - https://www.odds.com.au/sport/horse-racing-futures/futures/golden-rose-1400m/



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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 9:00pm
To be honest with you, I had him as the best 3yo as well, before last Saturday.

Maybe Miss Fabulass has passed him, and she would look really well placed in a derby with 54.5 kilos out to 2500m.

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Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 9:43pm
Starting to tighten up now. Only bad luck beats him on Saturday and I expect him to be even harder to beat in the guineas. I just think the market is totally wrong and it reminds me of when Winx was $6 for the Queensland oaks. Waller rates him big time.

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" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"


Posted By: Mug-Punter
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 9:52pm
I keep hearing he won't run!

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The Mugg


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

Starting to tighten up now. Only bad luck beats him on Saturday and I expect him to be even harder to beat in the guineas. I just think the market is totally wrong and it reminds me of when Winx was $6 for the Queensland oaks. Waller rates him big time.


Lean Mean Machine looks to have gone to another level.

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Posted By: Phantom
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 11:26pm
Who you hearing that from mug?


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The More You Put On, The More You Get Back


Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 11:53am
Barrier 10 Graff 4   11 acceptances

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Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 11:58am
He's in and in an 11 horse field he will go bang and put pay to these. Not sure what price he will open back up but unload on this future champion.

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Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 12:01pm
$4.50 is still well over the odds. I can't cop the fact that he won't start favourite expect him to shorten all the way till race time and start fav.

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Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 12:14pm
Between two imo, Graff and LMM, I think the former fwiw.


Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 12:17pm
Unless something wipes out The Autumn Sun, he wins.  


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 12:48pm
The money going on this horse now is relentless.

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" In gambling the many must lose in order for the few to win"


Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 2:53pm
Sportsbet are offering 5 50 in their promotions

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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 2:58pm
Originally posted by Stainvita Stainvita wrote:

Sportsbet are offering 5 50 in their promotions



What the max bet? May load up the account.


Posted By: Stainvita
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 3:35pm
Does not stipulate a max bet try 10k see what they do

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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by Carioca Carioca wrote:

Between two imo, Graff and LMM, I think the former fwiw.

Those 2 for me too. Zousain maybe ahead of The Autumn Sun too, over 1400. Interesting to me how many decent 3yos that probably had this race as a target haven't turned up. Great race to watch and not bet on!


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 9:02pm
Originally posted by SHOVHOG SHOVHOG wrote:

He's in and in an 11 horse field he will go bang and put pay to these. Not sure what price he will open back up but unload on this future champion.

I had 2 early bets for the GR and both are gone, so I took The Autumn Sun at $8.
The stablemate Lean Mean Machine looks the danger to me but happy to be on this one.

Can't have Graff. Good horse but this is Grp 1 against The A Team from the Waller stable.


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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 9:07pm
Am totally with you on this Scamanda.Which might be a bit of a worry.  Embarrassed


Posted By: rem286
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:35pm
Can't believe I was still able to get $4.40 on this bloke today.

Now a hypothetical for you.  Very unlikely to come about, but, if this bloke was to go to the Cox Plate how close would he get to the great mare given the feather weight on his back?


Posted By: Nick
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 10:42pm
Very


Posted By: Red Rancher
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2018 at 11:19pm
Within 5 lengths maybe. Let's not get too carried away. What would Winx have done to that field today?


Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 1:06am
Difficult to judge, we don't know what his ceiling is. I think Winx would still beat him, but in a weak year he would be a big chance. He has been more impressive to date than a horse like So You Think was. The owner is desperate to win a Derby so they will probably go in that direction, but if it was me I'd give him a go at the Valley in what will be a weak race outside Winx. Much better than a tough 2500m race at this age. 


Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 2:42am
Should go to the Mackinnon Stakes at Flemington. Surely you don't want to go chasing the great mares behind and breaking him.

He can go to the Guineas from here then the MV Vase over 2040m on Cox Plate day then the Emirates.

Personally if he was mine I would spell after the Guineas.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 3:20am
If he was mine he'd go Guineas than Derby. No need for a run in between.

I suspect Waller will talk the owner into saving him for the autumn Derby.

The owner should remind Waller the only reason Winx is going for a 4th Cox Plate is cause the owners insisted on running in the 2015 running.

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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 10:47am
Why would you want to go to the Derby? I'd be running in the Cox Plate/Emirates. Run 2nd to Winx worst case scenario in the Cox, then win the Emirates. 


Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 10:49am
I would run him in the Everest


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 10:49am
Thought McEvoy almost cost him the win. I'm not one to whinge about winning rides but he was travelling big time a long way out. His patience almost cost him and the connections a lot of money.

Anyway he's paid for my entire spring and then some. If he wins the Caulfield guineas or dargento wins the Epsom or trapeze wins the Everest my Vegas trip next year is paid for.

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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 10:50am
And then I’d send him straight to the Melbourne Cup without a lead up before running in both the Classic Sprint and Emirates in Day 4 winning all three races


Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 10:53am
It will be Caulfield guineas then probably a spell I would imagine. He will look after him.

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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 11:00am
He’s obviously a real talent but that racing pattern is going to cost him, especially in bigger fields and when he gets out of restricted racing.


Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 11:21am
He only did that because of the gate and the belief he was he best horse in the race, if he wasn’t in the outside barrier he would have settled closer.


Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 11:38am
Waller in this mornings papers, next run will be Caulfield Guineas.
Owners are keen on VRC Derby, he isn’t.
Time will tell where he goes.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 11:54am
What a talent this boy is. Can't wait to see him tear them a new one in Melbourne as well.

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Posted By: antlowes
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 11:59am
Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Why would you want to go to the Derby? I'd be running in the Cox Plate/Emirates. Run 2nd to Winx worst case scenario in the Cox, then win the Emirates. 

Getting carried away here? Have we forgotten about Humidors run last year already?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:01pm
I would like to congratulete those who stuck solid.

You were rewarded yesterday.

I really did not see what everybody else saw first up and it proved costly.



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Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by antlowes antlowes wrote:

Originally posted by Speediskey Speediskey wrote:

Why would you want to go to the Derby? I'd be running in the Cox Plate/Emirates. Run 2nd to Winx worst case scenario in the Cox, then win the Emirates. 

Getting carried away here? Have we forgotten about Humidors run last year already?


He was at his prime age, had probably the best run you could ever get in a Cox Plate and couldn’t win. I don’t think he’s as good this year, and also think The Autumn Sun is special.


Posted By: Baguette
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 12:52pm
The managing owner was talking on Sky this morning. Said they hadn't discussed the Caulfield Guineas for TAS and Waller would have to convince them to put him on the truck for Melbourne. They want the horse to get out to a classic distance but think he's still unfurnished . Sounds like they'll be aiming at the Derby in the Autumn and if they go to Melbourne it will be Guineas then spell.


Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 2:11pm
He sounded like an absolute goose. Gave no decent answers, lots of garbage about thew horse telling us, no firm plans or directions, just lots of hypotheticals and motherhood statements about the horse, Waller, the owner and everyone else.

Do yourself a favour and ignore anything that bloke says. Only two people matter in this equation: Waller and the owner. Waller will largely get his way, but I have no doubt the horse will land in the Australian Derby if by then a stud hasn't bought him. If a stud has bought him by then, he won't go near a Derby.

In the meantime he will go to the Guineas without a doubt. What happens beyond then is anyone's guess.


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Sunline...simply supreme


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 2:13pm
No good thing in Caulfield Guineas, not if they run it at Caulfield.


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Simon Cameron



Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 2:16pm
Originally posted by Sunline Sunline wrote:


Do yourself a favour and ignore anything that bloke says. Only two people matter in this equation: Waller and the owner. Waller will largely get his way, but I have no doubt the horse will land in the Australian Derby if by then a stud hasn't bought him. If a stud has bought him by then, he won't go near a Derby.



Having won a 2yo group 1 race and the Golden Rose it does not matter if he wins a Melbourne Cup and a Ascot Gold Cup and Aintree Grand National.

At least it should not matter.




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Posted By: SHOVHOG
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 2:31pm
Caulfield guineas is his only real target. He will not get back to last again that's why they had the blinkers on but from the barrier and because of the opposition they decided to go back. He will have the tactical speed to lob in the top 3 pairs and he will demolish them at 1600m.   Odds on by Racetime ? You better believe it.

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 2:42pm
I find it hard to get rapt about Redoute's. Has there ever been a champion open age Redoute's? If this one turns out to be one it will be the first in my book, after a billion live foals and a gazillion in fees. But maybe my memory is gone- refresh me.

Hang on I've thought of one- Lankan Rupee.Clap


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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 3:24pm
Miss Finland came back and won as an open class 4yo.  So did Lotteria and Bonaria.  You can't blame a horse who is seen as a sire of sires when he looses them every year at the end of their three year old season.   Rock Magic is just below that top G1 sprint class but has been a very hardy horses year in and year out.

The thing is this colt is from a middle distance staying family and he shows that speed and will to win.  Probably won't have him around for long either.  But that doesn't mean he doesn't have great ability.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2018 at 11:07pm


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 10:56am
Best Golden Rose winner ever I read. Really? How do you work that one out? I don't have to go too far back in the distant past of the race to call bullsh1t on that.


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An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought.

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 10:57am
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Best Golden Rose win ever I read. Really? How do you work that one out? I don't have to go too far back in the distant past of the race to call bullsh1t on that.


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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2018 at 11:22am
I guess he could get easily beaten in the Caulfield Guineas as he isn't a front runner so you'll still be unwilling to see what a run that was on Saturday.  Mind you the run of Thinkin' Big with the audacity to prick his ears coming to the line was also an eye opener.  Have to keep following both I think.



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