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Williams - The Liam Howley Era Printed From: Thoroughbred Village Category: Horse Racing - Public Forums Forum Name: Racing Forum Forum Description: General discussion about thoroughbred horse racing URL: https://forum.thoroughbredvillage.com.au/forum_posts.asp?TID=61551 Printed Date: 24 Apr 2024 at 10:46pm Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.05 - http://www.webwizforums.com Topic: Williams - The Liam Howley Era Posted By: djebel Subject: Williams - The Liam Howley Era Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 9:13am
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WEIGHTS http://www.racingaustralia.horse/FreeFields/Weights.aspx?Key=2018Mar03,VIC,Flemington" rel="nofollow - Flemington: Victoria Racing Club Race 3 - Australian Guineas (1600 METRES) | |
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http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MjA2NjkyMjc1MA%3d%3d&src=horseform&raceentry=NDQ5ODM3MjQwMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Elgin (NZ) | 56.5kg |
Those AUST CUP ones may GO first up |
https://twitter.com/lhowls" rel="nofollow - Liam Howleyhttps://twitter.com/lhowls" rel="nofollow - - lhowlsThe greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do... Proudly a Shepparton boy. Head Trainer, Macedon Lodge Joined June 2010
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That Elgin should not be allowed to run in Classics. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
He didn’t count for very long. That money was already spent by December with the purchase of a further 5 Galileo’s to be aimed at the 2018 Cup. |
plenty of background at twitter |
The Australian Guineas is hardly a Classic, it’s only a relatively new race. But I know where you’re heading with the comment. |
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This is a good introduction http://www.sheppnews.com.au/2016/11/03/58818/cup-win-tastes-sweet" rel="nofollow - http://www.sheppnews.com.au/2016/11/03/58818/cup-win-tastes-sweet
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t the time he was several years into a career as a sports program officer at Victoria University when he decided to apply for the elite Darley Flying Start program. The two-year program, which was founded by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum of Dubai is open to just 12 candidates each year from a selection pool across the world. When he was selected he got an around-the-world crash course in all aspects of the racing industry, from training to stud management, business and veterinary care. ‘‘I wouldn’t be where I am without it,’’ he said. |
Still waiting for the Makybe Diva , accepted and scratched a few times and then vanished |
SURREY - a 5yo by High Chaparral x Makybe Diva I’d be surprised if he ever saw the race track. |
My guess, Almandin and Aloft will run in the Peter Young Stakes in 2 weeks then the Australian Cup, The Taj Mahal and Rekindling will run in the Blamey and spell for the sring, Johannes Vermeer I reckon he'll run in the Queen Elizabeth. Maybe he goes to the Aus Cup with the other two then either BMW or Ranvet on his way. |
Only a few weeks ago, the stable advised media outlets that Rekindling would be aimed at the Sydney Cup, via either the Aust Cup or Tancred Stks. |
Acceptances Caulfield: Melbourne Racing Club Saturday 24, February 2018 | View race field Race 1 - 12:30PM Ladbrokes Mornington Cup Prelude (2000 METRES) Colours No. / Horse Name / Barrier Jockey Weight Status 1. Almandin (GER) (2) Damien Oliver 60kg Racing 2. Homesman (USA) (9) Ben Melham 56.5kg Racing Race 9 - 5:25PM Carlton Draught Peter Young Stakes (1800 METRES) Colours No. / Horse Name / Barrier Jockey Weight Status 8. The Taj Mahal (IRE) (10) Ben Melham 58.5kg Racing |
After one race what is Liam Howley's strikerate ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Should put the cue in the rack. |
It's a great gig surely. |
Only better start would be if HOMESMAN & ALMANDIN had dead heated |
Whoa, let's not forget, Lloyd is the head trainer, Liam only the trainer....Lloyd's words, on record. |
Yep we all know the setup. Nick does admin etc?, Lloyd decides races and routines, Liam follows orders. Beautiful spot to train, minimal stress, decent folk, probably decent reward, no worries about funds for feed vets etc, good learning experience. Without actually knowing, it sounds like a great job for a horseman/woman. |
So what is his actual strike rate ? 2 runners in the race, Is he 100% or 50% ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Who is Liam? Never seen him, what does he look like? Just trained his first winner with his first runner in a listed race, and the ‘media gag’ meant that he was not allowed to be interviewed. Instead they had that big fat slob who lives off Daddy’s Visa |
SRs are per horse not race djebel but given the rarity of deadheats we can give him 2/2 at this point |
Graeme Rogerson (Roggie) has bought 5 horses off Lloyd, with intensions of winning a M Cup. Gallante Assign Pattern My Bantry Bay Surrey Good Luck Roggie ------------- Those who know don't tell, Those who tell don't know |
What's everyone's opinion on Harrison's chances of winning the 2nd at Flemington on saturday? $14 available with a Boost. Stable in form. Ben Melham riding. Won at the distance. Looks like good odds. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
The horse needs the boost , not the Punter. Thought I would play with the No 7 ... Williams ride . I've had the practice so an expert on this one.. Wouldn't be the first one Craig has thrown a leg over either. GET ON Scamanda , a special. |
Or maybe you can give your http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=NTM2NjM4OTEy&src=horseform&raceentry=NTkwNDY1ODAwOA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - WILLI WILLI a rest for a while. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
GOTCHA Scamanda ... I could see you rushing down the field to find WILLI WILLI. ( Pardon the Pun ) but what a standout. |
Like trying to find a needle in a haystack with this mob Scamanda, running over 4000mts in G1s and he's rated an 86, been off the scene for a while, one thing I'm certain of that's your guess will be better than mine , wonder if he's been bought as a chopping block for his nice ones in trackwork, over to you my friend. |
Graeme Rogerson has his eye on training a second Melbourne Cup winner after securing a deal to buy ready-made stayers. The New Zealand Racing Hall of Fame trainer has negotiated a deal to purchase five proven gallopers from leading owner Lloyd Williams, the majority owner of Rogerson's New Zealand-bred 2007 Melbourne Cup winner Efficient. Among them is dual Group 1 winner Gallante, a winner of more than $2 million from just 20 starts. The seven-year-old Montjeu gelding holds a nomination for next month's $2m Sydney Cup (3200m) at Randwick, a race he won in 2016, though Rogerson was cautious about tackling the April 14 feature. "He's a proven mud runner. He's unbeaten on wet tracks. We might kick him off at Awapuni on the 31st (March) and then think about whether we go to the Sydney Cup or not," Rogerson said in reference to the G2 Awapuni Gold Cup (2000m), a race in which Gallante would carry just 55kg under set-weights-and-penalties conditions. The other four horses that will join Rogerson and his training partners - wife Debbie and granddaughter Bailey - are G2 Herbert Power Stakes winner Assign, two-win galloper Pattern, Galileo six-year-old gelding My Bantry Bay and Surrey, an unraced five-year-old son of High Chaparral and three-time Melbourne Cup winner Makybe Diva. "Makybe Diva didn't win until she was four so we think this horse might have just needed time as well," Rogerson said. "Assign has only had 20 starts and was fourth to Winx in the Turnbull last spring. He's won a Herbert Power. My Bantry Bay is a beautiful big horse and Lloyd said he's always liked him, but he's had a few feet problems along the way." Gallante and Assign have already contested three Melbourne Cups between them and Rogerson believes each of his purchases can prosper with the change of environment in New Zealand. "We flew to Melbourne last Monday and spent the day with Lloyd at Mount Macedon," he said. "We've bought five horses off Lloyd and we think this will be a great lift for New Zealand racing. "We've got a couple of genuine Melbourne Cup hopes among them. We're sure these horses will only help our staying ranks. Our Oaks and Derby horses are strong, but our older staying horses are a bit thin on the ground." All five horses arrived in New Zealand on Thursday and Rogerson has already sold four of the six shares he is offering in the partnership. "I've put a partnership together," he said. "I didn't want to split the five horses up because this way it covers the risk for shareholders if one or two of them don't come up." |
I'd be pretty sure that 4000m barrier trial was to get him fit for the race tomorrow Carioca. 9 month to 'freshen' him then hit the ground running. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
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Owner Lloyd Williams is weighing up whether to run Almandin in Sydney Autumn. At this stage thinking runs in the Group One Tancred Stakes https://twitter.com/rosehillgardens" rel="nofollow - |
Mad not to. In form, can stay, only question is the wet tracks. |
Find Williams' comment surprising. Why wouldn't Almandin be running in Sydney? |
He'll run imo, probably weighting up the o/s raiders (if any) all his other imported hopes have their feet up waiting for spring to be sprung, could a nice race for Ace High btw. |
All I know is not to take early odds on anything from that stable. Looks like it’s going to be a pretty thin race. The Oz Cup horses and I can’t see anything in Sydney 2400 WFA. Looks the perfect race for him but I’ll believe it when I see it. |
$1.50 7.29am race day scratching |
He’s said numerous times Almandin isn’t a WFA or at least alluded to it.. Almandin is the stables premier horse because Nick and Lloyd have trained him for over a year now, whilst others are mostly Aidens progeny.. likes to keep him safe for Cup |
Most would probably agree in vintage years but you don't have to be a "WFA" horse in this country if you're a decent stayer. Arguably might have won the Australian Cup with a clear run, at a distance well short of his best. |
Group 1 win and I still haven’t seen him ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Liam HowleyImportant Notes:
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Attributing G1 wins to him is just ridiculous imho makes a mockery of trainers who are actually in charge of their winners ------------- to the victor |
Which trainers are they ? How much say do you think Australian Bloodstock have in the placement of their horses ? Like ALL trainers, Liam Howley does as he is told. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Who is Liam Howley? I’ve never seen him or heard him speak on radio. Does he even exist? ------------- "Go Hard or Go Home” |
I wonder if Hickmott has signed a confidentiality agreement, Has he spoke of his experience at Mt Macedon ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Fishing again djebel, ...even the drovers dog knows that's a gimme. |
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I don't understand why Lloyd stirs up so much angst here yet Stan Johnstone in Qld doesn't worry anyone, tall poppy syndrome I guess. |
Nobody much cares for Qld racing ------------- to the victor |
I’d say it’s reverse tall poppy- I would like the training genius behind the wins of iconic races like Melbourne Cup to be recognised as the trainer, not an interchangeable middle man. ------------- to the victor |
Interesting runner entered for Lloyd in the Irish Derby this weekend named Latrobe. Another 3yo NH horse trained by Joseph O'Brien for the Cup this year? |
Not if he wins on Sunday morning 😊 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
People just don't like bullgelati. |
The stable has an interesting entrant in the BM78 over 2400m at Sandown on Wednesday. An Irish horse called STREETCAR TO STARS, a rising 8yo by Sea The Stars, who has a couple of black type placings back in Ireland in a 5 start career. Lloyd imported him to Australia way back in October 2014.......so what on earth has the horse been doing for the past 4 years? |
No idea but he is only a 7yo Doesn’t turn 8 Until April |
Fair chance he's had a number of races down here, just none officially |
And win he did at 17/1. We wont be seeing Latrobe downunder any time soon unless he makes a stud visit. It was a Coolmore boat race with the three up front pretty much keeping their positions throughout the running. Saxon Warrior had every chance trailing the first two with cover and in third place he remained. SW simply doesn't stay 2400m IMO. Back to ten furlongs for him and a race like the Juddmonte at York.
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Streetcar to Stars first up for nearly four years over 2400m on wed at sandown |
Ran a super race |
Probably understandable to run out of condition late first up over 2400m for 203 weeks |
RESIGNED to almost certainly being without last season’s Melbourne Cup stars Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer, owner Lloyd Williams’ search for replacement spring firepower will turn to Flemington on Saturday. Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer, last year’s Cup quinella, are unlikely to be seen until the end of the spring carnival — if at all — after suffering minor setbacks. The pair’s absence means six-time Cup-winning owner Williams will now rely on familiar and unseen stock. Sir Edwin Landseer, a Galileo four-year-old, is first emergency in the 2000m Allsop Handicap. Exemplar, a lightly raced five-year-old who has been placed at Group 2 and 3 level in Ireland, is in the 1700m VRC Members Handicap. Belgravia, who has form around Rekindling in Ireland, has been scratched from the same race. Despite the likelihood of Rekindling and Caulfield and Melbourne Cup placegetter Johannes Vermeer both being absent until late in the carnival, Macedon Lodge still has enviable options. There is a chance Irish Derby winner Latrobe, trained by Joseph O’Brien in Ireland, could fly the flag for Williams and his co-owners in either the Cox Plate or Melbourne Cup. Almandin, the 2016 Cup winner, remains a chance to contest the Cup again. Williams’ trainer Liam Howley will saddle imports Kilimanjaro and Crocodile Rock in the 2500m O’Connell Handicap at Flemington on Saturday. ------------- This space has been intentionally left blank |
https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5564288/man-who-helped-train-melbourne-cup-winner-jailed-after-kidnapping-stealing/" rel="nofollow - https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5564288/man-who-helped-train-melbourne-cup-winner-jailed-after-kidnapping-stealing/ Bizarre story. |
After suffering minor set backs. That is bad luck for the horses but serves Williams right for throwing away a lucrative autumn for no good bloody reason. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Some people would have been happy. In Bacchus Marsh, Dosen used the victim’s credit card to buy more than $2000 worth of goods at a petrol station, including purchases for other customers. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Plan Ciel & Yogi were obviously great runs in the last at Caulfield today. But I thought HARRISON ran a very good race in finishing 4th over a distance massively short of his preferred trip. His form back in the UK over 2400m+ was actually pretty good around the lines of St Michel, Dal Harrild & Housesofparliament. Maybe this guy could be Lloyd’s ‘sleeper’ for the Cups. |
I’ve had a little go at HARRISON at big odds for both the AJC Metropolitan & for the Melb Cup. But even if he doesn’t measure up to those races, I think he’s Lloyd’s best chance today at MV. Excellent run when resuming over 1600m beaten only 1.1 lengths by PLAN CIEL and the step up to 2040m now. Drawn well and has weight advantage over main rivals. |
Haven't had a winner since May. Still to early for Lloyds horses to hit form for mine. With the two stable heavy weights out for most of the spring will be interesting to see if any of the current cattle measures up over the next month or so. Not that Lloyd would be concerned. He will just buy something that O'Brien has entered. ------------- The Mugg |
Lloyd will just keep throwing money until he buys another cup. |
Lloyd’s ranks are looking a bit thin for the Melb Cup this year. With doubts over LATROBE (7th in order of entry) making the trip down under, the only other horse he’s presently got qualified is THE TAJ MAHAL (23rd). His next highest ranked horse is VENICE BEACH at 51st. The likes of HOMESMAN & co are going to have to lift over the next month to make it 3 Cups in a row for the Navy + White Armbands. |
His recent sales suggest to me that he is taking this year off, and readying for next year. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Cliffs Of Maher (Image: Steven Cargill/Racingfotos.com) Williams bolsters Cup numbersAndrew Eddy https://www.twitter.com/fastisheddy" rel="nofollow - @fastisheddy 4:13pm https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-03/news-williams-bolsters-cup-numbers#" rel="nofollow - Six-time Melbourne Cup-winning owner Lloyd Williams could be one of the big winners out of the Federal Government's decision to allow international horses out of the Werribee quarantine centre a day earlier than is normal policy. Williams, who is aiming at securing a third-consecutive Melbourne Cup win next month, confirmed on Wednesday that he had purchased 50 per cent of the Aidan O'Brien-trained Cliffs Of Moher and 100 per cent of stablemate Yucatan. The Melbourne Cup fortunes of both horses could hinge on them running on Caulfield Guineas Day on October 13, the day they are scheduled to be released from quarantine. Cliffs Of Moher, who is currently sixth in line for a Melbourne Cup start with 56.5kg, is expected to take the same path to the Melbourne Cup as did last year's runner-up Johannes Vermeer, who kicked off his Australian stint with a Caulfield Stakes run before backing up into the Caulfield Cup a week later and then onto the Melbourne Cup 17 days after that. Yucatan, who is 72nd in order with just 52kg in the Melbourne Cup, is expected to try and clinch a Cups berth via the G2 Herbert Power Stakes (2400m) on Guineas Day. The Department of Agriculture and Water Resources confirmed on Wednesday morning that it would allow the 24 horses currently serving their quarantine period to be released on Caulfield Guineas Day after 13 days instead of the compulsory 14. Nineteen of them had to sit on the tarmac at Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates for nearly 20 hours last weekend due to a cracked windscreen and they did not arrive in Melbourne from Europe until Sunday, which left just 13 days until the Caulfield Guineas meeting. Williams has a handful of locals aiming at the Cups including 24th-placed The Taj Mahal, as well as Underwood Stakes winner Homesman, who needs to run top four in the Caulfield Cup to qualify for a run in the big one at Flemington. However, Williams' Melbourne Cup hand could strengthen noticeably depending on which horses currently in quarantine in Europe step onto the plane for Melbourne late next week. He already has the Irish Derby winner Latrobe in quarantine and may yet be involved in the ownership of O'Brien's trio of Idaho (ninth in order), Rostropovich (19th) and the unqualified The Pentagon. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
None of those sold were contenders this year anyway, hence why they were sold. Lloyd wants to won the cup every year! |
Only Midterm left in the cup from the Howley team and he needs to win the Lexus Saturday, he's on the edge of even getting a run, of course he also has Yucatan and Cliffs of Moher with AOB so still has a good hand, just won't have a quarter of the field like the last couple of years. |
And Afros that is why I said he is taking this year off. I do not believe either of those O'Brien horses will win, they might run well, but if Lloyd was serious about this year he would have run Midterm in the Bart Cummings, and not the Metrop, and they would not have sent The Taj Mahal around in the Caulfield Cup. I think Lloyd knows that his Australian trained horses were not up to it. He is relying on the two of AOB's, and if he wins, all well and good, if doesn't, next year is yet to come. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
I don't buy into that idea, Lloyd loves winning the cup,I don't think he'd purposely take a year off, he has a runner in the Metrop every year anyway so Midterm running there is not unusual. |
Midterm out isn’t he? So none left.. but still obviously has AOB.. but he would be burning they’re not his |
Steps, Venice Beach and midterm were his prospects.. what happened? |
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