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Topic: PierataPosted By: 3blindmice
Subject: Pierata
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 9:07pm
Pierata’s owners knocked back a $1m offer and Warwick Farm trainer Greg Hickman thinks the colt can potentially win more than that over the Queensland summer carnival.
There have been several offers for the Pierro colt, the most recent coming after his hugely impressive trial win at Randwick earlier this month.
Pierata was seen during the Queensland winter carnival, running third behind https://www.racenet.com.au/horse/melody-belle" rel="nofollow - Melody Belle in the Group II Sires Produce and seventh when beaten only two lengths in the Group I JJ Atkins.
Hickman, who owns a share in Pierata, insists the colt has now gone to a new level and Queensland summer riches are a big incentive.
Pierata will resume in Saturday’s Winning Rupert Plate (1200m) at Doomben, in the first part of a plan which Hickman hopes will net a $500,000 summer crown bonus for winning any three of five designated 3YO races.
Melbourne Cup-winning jockey https://www.racenet.com.au/jockey/corey-brown" rel="nofollow - Corey Brown will ride Pierata on Saturday and Hickman is confident about reaping riches during the summer 3YO series which includes races like the Gold Edition Plate, the Vo Rogue Plate and the $2m 3YO Magic Millions Guineas.
“We have already knocked back a million dollars for him but he could be running for more than that in Queensland this summer,” Hickman said.
“He is a horse who has improved lengths on his first preparation.
“He was a little immature earlier so I just took him along quietly but now he will keep improving and improving.
“I couldn’t train him too hard early on because I had to look after him but now I can train him how I want because he can handle the work.
“He is ready to do it this preparation and we are certainly going to come away with something up here (in Queensland).”
Hickman said Pierata has arrived in Queensland last weekend and showed he was on track with a good piece of work on the Gold Coast on Tuesday.
The trainer thinks 1200m suits the colt well but believes he will run over longer distances as he matures, flagging that he could even be back in the Sunshine State for the Group I Queensland Derby (2400m) next winter.
Pierata has drawn barrier one at Doomben on Saturday and Hickman says his only question mark has been if leaving the blinkers on would be the right move.
“If I have a negative about anything, it is leaving the blinkers on, I have been second guessing myself a little bit about that,” Hickman said.
Heavy rain in Queensland on Wednesday has not fazed Hickman about Pierata’s chances as he feels the Doomben track will dry significantly before Saturday.
Replies: Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 5:11pm
Should just win the next.
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 5:23pm
Gee that hurt. Slow out then flat footed when it mattered and just couldn't make up enough ground on a leaderish track.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 5:27pm
Should get out to backable odds, ie about $7.50, for 1400m Magic Millions 3yo Guineas in a month's time Sunny.
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 7:32pm
I do not care what happened today. this horse is a group 1 winner in waiting.
This is how good he is. His best distance at the moment is 1400m (part of the danger today), but I would have backed him last week in the International Sprint at Hong Kong. If he went up there, he would be the next superstar of the colony! (yes I know it is not a colony but you know what I mean).
Not sure he will win more than a million dollars in his career, but I can guarantee you that the owners will make a profit, if he stays injury free.
Greg Hickman knows how to prepare a group 1 quality galloper and they will have a lot of fun with this boy!
------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2017 at 9:33pm
Long way to go if he's to reach those heights imo and would need a weak G1. Winner was beaten in a BM70 last start albeit off a spell, and quite a few were resuming today - none of which really inspire as Group class. Super Ex will be ready come MM day
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2017 at 1:31am
The guineas has not been a really good form guide for group 1's over the years, but I think this years edition has got good quality. Pierata, Shogun Sun, Cellargirl and Goodfella have already shown that they can at least be competitive in better grade and they will all be better at 1400m.
I think that the Guineas could be the best race of the day this magic millions if everyone shows up!
------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2017 at 8:43pm
Insult to injury for his backers.
Racenet:
There was high drama and controversy after the Gold Edition Plate at Doomben with several jockeys claiming they were denied a fair start and the official starter was then hauled before stewards.
Melbourne Cup jockey https://www.racenet.com.au/jockey/corey-brown" rel="nofollow - Corey Brown was particularly furious, claiming a bungle from the starter cost Pierata winning in the Listed 1200m sprint which is a leg of the rich Queensland summer crown series.
Pierata, the Greg Hickman-trained colt who was the $2.30 favourite, missed the start and failed by a short neck to reel in leader and winner Whypeeo ($6).
Brown and several other jockeys claimed there had been a stuff-up at the barriers when the starter yelled all horses were locked away, thereby indicating he was about to press the button and release the field.
Brown and Jim Byrne (who rode Bring It Home Pop) and several other jockeys complained to stewards the starter then unexpectedly delayed the start by seconds, causing several horses including Pierata to lunge at the barriers.
“All the jockeys said the same about what happened,” Brown told Racenet.
“When the starter says locked away, unless something goes off, you expect you will be jumping half a second later.
“Everyone anticipated the start but then the starter held them for about three seconds, it was just stupid.”
Chief steward Allan Reardon heard complaints from several jockeys before declaring correct weight.
Stewards then interviewed starter Peter Cousins who admitted he held onto the horses for longer than expected, but said he did it because he thought a horse drawn near the inside was playing up.
Reardon later said he would talk to the Brisbane Racing Club about having one starter for races in Brisbane, for consistency purposes, rather than the current rotating roster of four starters.
"Something does have to be done about this," Reardon said.
[ presumably this isn't a rare occurrence then? ]
Amidst the drama, trainer Toby Edmonds was delighted with the win of Whypeeo who bounced back from a below-par performance when he missed the start at Canterbury earlier this month.
“Last time out at Canterbury was the only real blot on his copybook,” Edmonds said.
“He has raced against really good horses and has raced in good company so its good for him to bounce back.
“Pierata is a very good horse so it was great to beat him.”
Jockey Larry Cassidy copped a nine-day suspension from the Doomben meeting, for causing interference on Rare Occurrence in the Class Six Plate (1200m).
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2017 at 9:25pm
Yeah - another way to lose my money. Thought I had seen them all. Obviously not.
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Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2017 at 11:45pm
It is a situation where Brown would of been hauled into the stewards room and asked what was going on, but I am being told he was telling the steward what had happened on the scale when Byrne who rode Bring It Home Pop, rocked up asking what the hell was going on.
This is the sought of thing that gives punters and the casual observer a bad perception of racing. I can tell you, as certain as I am breathing oxygen right this minute, that Greg Hickman is as straight a shooter, as I have met in racing, he loves racing good horses (he would of been the drum banger on not selling make no mistake), and when his owners have a chance at winning a half a million dollar bonus, there is no way the $2.30 favourite was running dead, no chance in eternity.
But people who do not know Hickman would not believe that!
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2017 at 11:29am
No doubt he was in to win Voyager, that $500K bonus is a large carrot for any horse which wins either of the first two races. He still has a chance but they're all getting fitter so the task gets harder to win the next two on the trot.
(d) Vo Rogue Plate at BRC on Saturday
30 December 2017; and
(e) Magic Millions 3YO Guineas at GCTC on Saturday
13 January 2018.
Everyone will be on to it price-wise, inc bookies, but Crack Me Up is also in line for a$100K bonus post Villiers should he add the Bernborough to his CV. Early doors but personally I think Too Good To Refuse will be very hard to beat in that, esp if she books a smarter jockey for the ride.
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 5:22pm
Second Chance wrote:
Should get out to backable odds, ie about $7.50, for 1400m Magic Millions 3yo Guineas in a month's time Sunny.
Well I had a little bit on at $6.50 which is rather better than the $3 or so now on offer, however overs mean nothing if the horse doesn't win.
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 5:28pm
Second Chance wrote:
Second Chance wrote:
Should get out to backable odds, ie about $7.50, for 1400m Magic Millions 3yo Guineas in a month's time Sunny.
Well I had a little bit on at $6.50 which is rather better than the $3 or so now on offer, however overs mean nothing if the horse doesn't win.
Well, if you are able to lay them for an assured profit, it does mean something. $$$$ !
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 5:34pm
Feast or a famine for this lad Max.
ps only had a modest wager, and only because it was my selection out of the Magic Millions Yearling Sale for the TBV 2016 Yearling Competition.
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 7:05pm
Lovely win today. We got a decent price too.
Rubbing our hands with the price in MM 3yo, but nothing is for certain on that track on that day.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 12:02pm
Not sure what other southerners might come up to challenge but early MM shoppers are sitting pretty. Surprising drift late yesterday which I was happy to take advantage of and apart from a 100m section around the turn where he seemed to labor he was always travelling like the winner. GC is 'one of those tracks' but 1400m and longer straight will only help imo. GL if you're on - and vbol to connections in extracting that half mil bonus.
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 12:52pm
After the late drift and what looked to be him struggling a touch on the turn, I thought we were in all sorts of trouble. But then he found a gap and, when he saw daylight, he just went bang.
He did look to be in strife at one point though. It was roughly when Capital Gain went around him. Didn't look to be travelling at all. You'd have to think he only gets better with another 50m, although I doubt Doomben and Gold Coast are to his liking.
I'm a fan of Sasso Corbaro, but the fact she is $8 second fave says this bloke is over the line. For mine they have the market wrong. As of last night Goodfella was $15 with Sportsbet, with Whypeeo and Shogun Sun among others ahead of him. That was very, very wrong, so I had another dig at Goodfella and they firmed to $11, with $13 the best around at that point last night. He is clear second pick off the back of his record last prep and his run in the key lead up behind the fave yesterday.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:14pm
Surely gets the run of the racefrom Box 1 and barring bad luck gives them a good towelling.
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:40pm
I'm all over him but can't say barrier 1 excites me. He will be buried away. Last start he got a dream run. If he gets the same luck he just wins. But he can't win without luck and that's a real risk.
I couldn't touch current odds, but am happy to be on at better odds nonetheless. Best horse in the race and we pray for some luck.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:44pm
He's twice settled 3rd/4th in the run from an inside barrier Sunny, so as long as he jumps....
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 5:46pm
Fingers crossed mate. Would be over the moon if he's 3rd/4th.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:25pm
PIERATA (AUS)
Bay colt 2014
Pierro Bay 2009
Lonhro Brown 1998
Octagonal Brown 1992
Zabeel Bay 1986
Sir Tristram Lady Giselle
1971 1982
6-e 16-c
Eight Carat Brown 1975
Pieces of Eight Klairessa
1963 1969
3-o 9-c
Shadea Bay 1988
Straight Strike Bay or brown 1977
Mr Prospector Bend Not
1970 1972
13-c 11>
Concia Bay 1978
First Consul My Tricia
1970 1974
5-f 8>
Miss Right Note Grey 2003
Daylami Grey 1994
Doyoun Bay 1985
Mill Reef Dumka
1968 1971
22-d 21-a
Daltawa Grey 1989
Miswaki Damana
1978 1981
16-g 9-e
Sky Song Bay 1997
Sadler's Wells Bay 1981
Northern Dancer Fairy Bridge
1961 1975
2-d 5-h
Criquette Bay 1990
Shirley Heights Ghislaine
1975 1981
1-l 1-t
November Flight Bay 2001
Flying Spur Bay 1992
Danehill Bay 1986
Danzig Bay 1977
Northern Dancer Pas de Nom
1961 1968
2-d 7-a
Razyana Bay 1981
His Majesty Spring Adieu
1968 1974
4-d 2-d
Rolls Chestnut 1984
Mr Prospector Bay 1970
Raise a Native Gold Digger
1961 1962
8-f 13-c
Grand Luxe Chestnut 1974
Sir Ivor Fanfreluche
1965 1967
8-g 4-g
November Song Bay 1995
Zabeel Bay 1986
Sir Tristram Bay 1971
Sir Ivor Isolt
1965 1961
8-g 6-e
Lady Giselle Bay 1982
Nureyev Valderna
1977 1972
5-h 16-c
Chorus Star Brown 1982
Kaoru Star Chestnut 1965
Star Kingdom Kaoru
1946 1955
1-g 31>
Century Miss Brown 1976
Century Gay Chorus
1969 1966
20> 29>
Ancestor duplications:
Zabeel
4m x 3f
Mr Prospector
5m x 4f
Northern Dancer
5m x 5m
Sir Ivor
x 5f,5m
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:27pm
You would have to think all the 1400-1600m group 1 races are well within his scope.
Pierro is proving a super duper sire.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:44pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:53pm
Gutsy and so honest and great for our breeding industry.
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 4:54pm
Yes it is nice to see the second tier horses come out and make good but we really needed one of the big boys to show he had what it takes. Nice day when Pierro and So You Think get winners. Snitzel keeps running second.
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 12:07pm
Greg Hickman has booked Corey Brown to ride Pierata in the
Epsom after James McDonald took the ride on favourite D’argento.
Pierata was trapped three wide without cover on Saturday when a gutsy runner-up to Siege Of Quebec in the Bill Ritchie Handicap.
“We
just wanted to get someone locked in and Corey knows my bloke very well
after winning the Magic Millions Guineas and riding him in the autumn,”
Hickman said.
“He has bounced off that run on Saturday and he will be spot on for the Randwick mile in a couple of weeks.”
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 2:56pm
Oh the irony. Hickman sacked Brown for James McDonald, who then gave Pierata a poor ride on Saturday and got off him to ride the fave in the big one. Now Hickman goes back to Brown.
I would love to know what Brown said when he took the call before saying ok.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
Posted By: correctweight
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 5:25pm
Hopefully Brown can get this horse a G1. Should've never been taken off in the first place.
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2018 at 11:13pm
Sunline wrote:
Oh the irony. Hickman sacked Brown for James McDonald, who then gave Pierata a poor ride on Saturday and got off him to ride the fave in the big one. Now Hickman goes back to Brown.
I would love to know what Brown said when he took the call before saying ok.
Wasn’t there a suspension involved? Thought I read Corey was out
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 10:00am
If there was, it was by coincidence only. He was called after first up run and advised he had been replaced by McDonald.
------------- Sunline...simply supreme
Posted By: antlowes
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2018 at 9:21pm
Have it on good authority that McDonald asked for the Epsom ride on Pierata after the race on the weekend. Can only assume he didn’t expect to get the D’Argento offer at the time.
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 9:57pm
Breaking: https://twitter.com/AquisFarm" rel="nofollow - @AquisFarm along with Greg Hickman and the Ownership Group of PIERATA have announced the Group 1 winner runs in 2019 EVEREST under the AQUIS SLOT.
The PIERATA ownership group have decided to race on with a decision pending to Stand Pierata at AQUIS in the 2020 Season.
Noice!
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 10:10pm
Hopefully the 3 year old sprinters come through and show how poor the older mob are.
But it is good to see he is going again.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 10:32pm
Personally, and I understand if people disagree, but I think his spring form last season was better than his autumn form.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 May 2019 at 10:39pm
http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/Meeting.aspx?meetcode=MTkwMDAyODYwMQ%3d%3d#Race7" rel="nofollow - FLEM 10Nov18 1200m Good3 VRC CLASSIC Group 1 $1,002,500 ($67,500) http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/JockeyLastRuns.aspx?jockeycode=MjY3NzcyMjMw" rel="nofollow - Tommy Berry 58.5kg Barrier 3 Rtg 110 1st http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MzYyNDcwMTc2&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE4MzMxMjQxMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - Santa Ana Lane 58.5kg, 2nd http://www.racingaustralia.horse/InteractiveForm/HorseFullForm.aspx?horsecode=MzY2NDM4MDMz&src=horseform&raceEntry=NDE4MzMxMjQxMA%3d%3d" rel="nofollow - In Her Time 56.5kg 1:08.66 (600m 33.85), 1.8L, 8th@800m, 7th@400m, $7.50/$7/$6.50/$7
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 9:13am
Will there be a new rider? Michael Walker is the retained Aquis rider
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 9:35pm
Leading Everest
contender Pierata has pleased trainer Greg Hickman with his comfortable
second in a Warwick Farm barrier trial, his first appearance since he
won the Group One All Aged Stakes.
Friday's 1000m-heat on the course proper was won by Cradle Mountain who took up his customary front-running-role.
Pierata
was held together by Tommy Berry to finish 2-3/4 lengths from the
leader and Hickman said he would have one more trial before he heads to
the races, most likely in the Concorde Stakes on September 7.
The
Group Three Concorde is shaping as a preview to the $14 million Everest
on October 19 with Redzel, Sunlight, Santa Ana Lane, In Her time and
Osborne Bulls all headed there.
"He did it under his own steam and did what we wanted him to do,'' Hickman said.
"We will probably put the blinkers on him next trial and he will do a bit more.
"The plan then is to run in the Concorde and The Shorts and then decided if he needs another race before the Everest."
Following
his All Aged win, Pierata was bought by Aquis Farm for stud duties but
his breeding career has been put on hold and he will run for Aquis in
the $14 million Everest on October 19.
Pierata is on the third line of Everest betting at $8 behind Santa Ana Lane at $5 and Osborne Bulls at $7.
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 9:57pm
He really should be at stud earning his connections money.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 9:59pm
I can tell he is trainer he does not another run before the Everest.
3 lead up runs
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 5:49pm
So gallant today. A shame he could't quite go out on a winning note, though $5.8m in prizemoney ain't chaff.
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2020 at 5:58pm
Tofane will have to make it up to him by taking him out on a date
Posted By: Go Flash Go
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2020 at 1:51pm
Noticed this horse yesterday ... "Pierata" ... that is .. tho didn't see the actual race
... might leave it at that
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2020 at 2:16pm
His 4yo spring was up & down like the stripper’s knickers.
Perhaps that was, in part, due to the Winx factor?
Posted By: Pardon_My_Dust
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2020 at 8:59pm
Second Chance wrote:
So gallant today. A shame he could't quite go out on a winning note, though $5.8m in prizemoney ain't chaff.
Agree I didn't have a bet in the race but cheered him home, would've been a great way to go out but he gave it everything nonetheless.
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2020 at 9:35pm
How did he win all that money? He's only won one G1 hasn't he and it's not a big money G1.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2020 at 9:45pm
https://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php?search_bar=stakes&query_type=stakes&field=all&h=pierata&order=year" rel="nofollow - Year
https://www.pedigreequery.com/index.php?query_type=horse&search_bar=horse&h=MUSIC+MAGNATE&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=" rel="nofollow - MUSIC MAGNATE
Posted By: Red Hare
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2020 at 11:22pm
Redzel Stakes & MM 3yo Guineas were $1m+ purses to the winner. Another $600+ for 5th in The Everest.
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 9:32pm
His $900k half brother Jet Propulsion by Rubick runs dead last on debut.
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2020 at 9:43pm
Without having watched a replay my initial reaction was it was a disgracefully negative ride.
It was not a terrible last.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2020 at 3:56am
I have always been given this piece of advice about breeding.
If you have a family which are good money spinners but not filled with stakes runners, and then you get a genuine group 1 performer or champion, the future foals will never match up to the topline performer.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 5:14pm
djebel wrote:
Without having watched a replay my initial reaction was it was a disgracefully negative ride.
It was not a terrible last.
Look at what a positive ride on Jet Propulsion achieved today.
------------- reductio ad absurdum
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2020 at 7:18pm