Rekindling
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Topic: Rekindling
Posted By: SkyDancer
Subject: Rekindling
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:06pm
I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family
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Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:11pm
Im happy for the horse and Corey, big effort for a 3yo who has had a long year to beat seasoned old stayers.
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Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:14pm
James0330 wrote:
Im happy for the horse and Corey, big effort for a 3yo who has had a long year to beat seasoned old stayers. |
Yeah me too. The owner can get stuffed though
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Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:19pm
I like him.
Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.
Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved.
------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:24pm
Two multimillionaires run first and second. Prefer the PoP story myself
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:25pm
Lloyd is tolerable Nick is a smugcup cake
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:28pm
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:35pm
scamanda wrote:
I like him.
Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.
Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved. |
Foaling date 23/3/14 so that makes him 3 years 7 months, which would be like an Australian bred 3yo born in August winning the Melbourne Cup in March.
I think- check my maths.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:40pm
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts. |
Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:49pm
Shawy38 wrote:
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts. |
Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy | I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:54pm
It is a bit boring seeing the same winners every year. But he does invest in stayers, which is something not a lot do anymore. Hard to see an Aussie stayer winning this race anymore apart from the odd POP.
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Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:56pm
I don't mind Lloyd, as others have said he invests a lot in stayers when most others want Slipper winners
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:31pm
SkyDancer wrote:
I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family |
Yes. Its nice for the horse, trainer and jockey, but geez, the Cup is becoming a bit of a Lloyd Williams benefit show isnt it. Sure he spends a lot on the horses, but if i had the money he does, I would too. And no doubt quite a few of you others would too. Nice twists to the story. 24 year old with his first runner in the Cup knocks off famous dad. First 3 year old since Skipton to win. But I do get a bit tired of seeing Lloyd taking all the accolades . I did like it when Bruce said to him, "only 6 more to equal Bart " .
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:39pm
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts. |
Protectionist also won at start 10.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:41pm
acacia alba wrote:
First 3 year old since Skipton to win.
| If still a 3-Y-O by Southern Hemisphere time, why does it appear as a 4-Y-O in the racebook in a SH race ?
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:50pm
How would I know ? Ask some one who cares . I just looked at its birth date, which I now forget, and thought it wasnt yet 4.
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:52pm
Tlazolteotl wrote:
scamanda wrote:
I like him.
Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.
Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved. |
Foaling date 23/3/14 so that makes him 3 years 7 months, which would be like an Australian bred 3yo born in August winning the Melbourne Cup in March.
I think- check my maths.
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23/3/14. So not yet 4 ??? That makes him 3 ? Yes ?? or No ?? Ask the joker who printed the book , Max .
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:54pm
acacia alba wrote:
SkyDancer wrote:
I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family |
Yes. Its nice for the horse, trainer and jockey, but geez, the Cup is becoming a bit of a Lloyd Williams benefit show isnt it. Sure he spends a lot on the horses, but if i had the money he does, I would too. And no doubt quite a few of you others would too. Nice twists to the story. 24 year old with his first runner in the Cup knocks off famous dad. First 3 year old since Skipton to win. But I do get a bit tired of seeing Lloyd taking all the accolades . I did like it when Bruce said to him, "only 6 more to equal Bart " .
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Yeah. With the types of owners involved in Cup runners these days the money is not really going to change their life, but the thrill of winning the Cup for the first time is fun to watch for the rest of us. With him it does seem like it's just "oh, another one to add to the collection", even though he is very passionate about the race you want others to experience the thrill.
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:57pm
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:00pm
acacia alba wrote:
How would I know ? Ask some one who cares . I just looked at its birth date, which I now forget, and thought it wasnt yet 4.
| For chrissakes.....what a cranky answer, as if I was holding you personally responsible. I am saying if it is a 3-Y-O by southern time, it should be described as such, when racing in the SH.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:05pm
It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that.
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:09pm
Meant to say I don’t get it. If I don’t have a Cup runner (highly unlikely) then I only really care about the horse I’ve backed. Udyta Clarke stories are lovely but they’re few and far between.
How many trainers in this country are serious about stayers? As opposed to serious about Magic Millions runners. Can’t really begrudge Williams his success.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:14pm
The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th
------------- Australian racing is only good up to 1400m in terms of world standards when it comes to depth/quality in numbers
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Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:24pm
Afros wrote:
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts. |
Protectionist also won at start 10. |
Although it doesn't meet your "modern times" criteria in the last paragraph, I'm pretty sure Martini Henry won the Cup at his second start to answer your previous question.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:28pm
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Shawy38 wrote:
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts. |
Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy | I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN |
What a stunning stunning pedigree.
Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.
MISSY ZIPPY (AUS) | Bay or brown filly 2014 | |
Americain Bay or brown 2005 | Dynaformer Bay or brown 1985 | Roberto Bay 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Bramalea Bay or brown 1959 | Nashua Rarelea | 1952 1949 | 3-m 12-c | Andover Way Bay or brown 1978 | His Majesty Bay 1968 | Ribot Flower Bowl | 1952 1952 | 4-l 4-d | On the Trail Bay 1964 | Olympia Golden Trail | 1946 1958 | 4-p 4-r | America Chestnut 1997 | Arazi Chestnut 1989 | Blushing Groom Chestnut 1974 | Red God Runaway Bride | 1954 1962 | 8-c 22-d | Danseur Fabuleux Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Fabuleux Jane | 1961 1974 | 2-d 7> | Green Rosy Bay or brown 1984 | Green Dancer Bay 1972 | Nijinsky Green Valley | 1967 1967 | 8-f 16-c | Round the Rosie Bay 1973 | Cornish Prince Rosayya | 1962 1952 | 1-s 1-n | River Dreaming Bay 2006 | Galileo Bay 1998 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Urban Sea Chestnut 1989 | Miswaki Chestnut 1978 | Mr Prospector Hopespringseternal | 1970 1971 | 13-c 16-g | Allegretta Chestnut 1978 | Lombard Anatevka | 1967 1969 | 1-d 9-h | Armure Royale Bay 1998 | Woodman Chestnut 1983 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Playmate Chestnut 1975 | Buckpasser Intriguing | 1963 1964 | 1-s 1-s | All Along Bay 1979 | Targowice Bay 1970 | Round Table Matriarch | 1954 1964 | 2-f 16-g | Agujita Bay 1966 | Vieux Manoir Argosy | 1947 1950 | 10-e 1-d |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5f x 4m | | Mr Prospector | x 5m,4m |
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Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:54pm
Gee 3rd dam All Along, quality.
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Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 7:19am
Jamal wrote:
The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th |
Amilie's star beat him home
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 7:41am
djebel wrote:
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Shawy38 wrote:
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts. |
Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy | I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN |
What a stunning stunning pedigree.
Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.
MISSY ZIPPY (AUS) | Bay or brown filly 2014 | |
Americain Bay or brown 2005 | Dynaformer Bay or brown 1985 | Roberto Bay 1969 | Hail to Reason Brown 1958 | Turn-To Nothirdchance | 1951 1948 | 1-w 4-n | Bramalea Bay or brown 1959 | Nashua Rarelea | 1952 1949 | 3-m 12-c | Andover Way Bay or brown 1978 | His Majesty Bay 1968 | Ribot Flower Bowl | 1952 1952 | 4-l 4-d | On the Trail Bay 1964 | Olympia Golden Trail | 1946 1958 | 4-p 4-r | America Chestnut 1997 | Arazi Chestnut 1989 | Blushing Groom Chestnut 1974 | Red God Runaway Bride | 1954 1962 | 8-c 22-d | Danseur Fabuleux Bay 1982 | Northern Dancer Fabuleux Jane | 1961 1974 | 2-d 7> | Green Rosy Bay or brown 1984 | Green Dancer Bay 1972 | Nijinsky Green Valley | 1967 1967 | 8-f 16-c | Round the Rosie Bay 1973 | Cornish Prince Rosayya | 1962 1952 | 1-s 1-n | River Dreaming Bay 2006 | Galileo Bay 1998 | Sadler's Wells Bay 1981 | Northern Dancer Bay 1961 | Nearctic Natalma | 1954 1957 | 14-c 2-d | Fairy Bridge Bay 1975 | Bold Reason Special | 1968 1969 | 19-b 5-h | Urban Sea Chestnut 1989 | Miswaki Chestnut 1978 | Mr Prospector Hopespringseternal | 1970 1971 | 13-c 16-g | Allegretta Chestnut 1978 | Lombard Anatevka | 1967 1969 | 1-d 9-h | Armure Royale Bay 1998 | Woodman Chestnut 1983 | Mr Prospector Bay 1970 | Raise a Native Gold Digger | 1961 1962 | 8-f 13-c | Playmate Chestnut 1975 | Buckpasser Intriguing | 1963 1964 | 1-s 1-s | All Along Bay 1979 | Targowice Bay 1970 | Round Table Matriarch | 1954 1964 | 2-f 16-g | Agujita Bay 1966 | Vieux Manoir Argosy | 1947 1950 | 10-e 1-d |
| Ancestor duplications: | Northern Dancer | 5f x 4m | | Mr Prospector | x 5m,4m |
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She must be as slow as a wet week.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 7:42am
Ironic name- Miss Zippy
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:31am
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that. |
Yes, all breeding buffs know this about NH time and SH time , and horses birthdays etc. BUT. You can talk S.H. time to N. H. time all you like. Breeding, foaling, horses birthdays etc, and all that. But, he was born on 23 March 2014, so he is 3 and wont be 4 , age wise, until next March. Just because we have this northern/southern thing , it doesnt change his age, technically. I was 68 last March, and I am not 69 now, and I wont be 69 until March next year, regardless of what hemisphere I was born in. That N/S stuff is a technicality but the actuality is, the horse is 3 years old in age and body and legs. Read the book anyway you please but he doesnt become 12 months older in body and mind just because he crossed the equator. Just as Jospeh O,Brien is 24 and he doesnt become 25 just because he came down under
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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:37am
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:38am
max manewer wrote:
acacia alba wrote:
First 3 year old since Skipton to win.
| If still a 3-Y-O by Southern Hemisphere time, why does it appear as a 4-Y-O in the racebook in a SH race ? |
It wasnt meant to be cranky, but you ask the question of my post, and I told you what I thought. Maybe it sounded cranky because I get tired of hearing the age old set in stone rule about NH/SH ageing of TBs. Crossing the equator ages them on paper, but not in body , mind, and legs. They cant make a horse instantly 12 months older in its physical makeup simply by crossing an imaginary line on the world map. Its body is still 3 years old. But thats just my opinion and we all know what they say about opinions
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:40am
Bit like Kingston Town winning the Sydney Cup - Rekindling winning the Melbourne Cup for age group anyway.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:41am
Anything foaled in the Northern Hemisphere is placed in our books as a year older as they are foaled before August.
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:47am
acacia alba wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that. |
Yes, all breeding buffs know this about NH time and SH time , and horses birthdays etc. BUT. You can talk S.H. time to N. H. time all you like. Breeding, foaling, horses birthdays etc, and all that. But, he was born on 23 March 2014, so he is 3 and wont be 4 , age wise, until next March. Just because we have this northern/southern thing , it doesnt change his age, technically. I was 68 last March, and I am not 69 now, and I wont be 69 until March next year, regardless of what hemisphere I was born in. That N/S stuff is a technicality but the actuality is, the horse is 3 years old in age and body and legs. Read the book anyway you please but he doesnt become 12 months older in body and mind just because he crossed the equator. Just as Jospeh O,Brien is 24 and he doesnt become 25 just because he came down under
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Agree with all that and didn't mean to come across rude in my post if I had.
Bottom line: Yes he was born less than 4 years ago. In Southern Hemisphere racing terms he is a 4yo. He is NOT a 3yo by Southern Hemisphere time.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:51am
They should just call them 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, 6.5 whatever, which is accurate, and put that in the formguides, racebooks etc.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:00am
Yes in SH time he is 4. I agree with you there E&E. A line on a map , once crossed, ages him 12 months in 2 mins, when physically the horse is still 3 , not 4 years of age, and there can be, and is, quite a physical difference in a 3 yo and a 4 yo. Like a lot of other stupid discrepencies in the world of TBs , this of the their age changing on a piece of paper when they cross the equator should be rectfied. Because they dont change physically.
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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:04am
Let just say he performed well although he beat the one I backed to win! Honestly though the worst thing is the similar silks when they are all bays and you forget the caps and can't see the numbers.
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:15am
There were a lot of like looking silks for sure ! I just think too many of us let a technicality take away what an amazing thing the horse did, because a line on a piece of paper says he is older than he is. This mentally and physically 3 year year old horse travelled across the world to another totally different environment and style of racing, adapted, took on the world, and won. If he was an Aust 3 yo everyone would be in awe but intsead all we do is argue over what the race book says. Sad really.
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:17am
It was a very strong call by Matt Hill, never missed a beat. They got the right man for the job.
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:28am
8 | 13.6 | 6. https://www.breednet.com.au/horse/missy-zippy" rel="nofollow - Missy Zippy | Matthew Cumani | H Coffey (8) | $26 | 54.0 | | 3f https://www.breednet.com.au/sire/Americain" rel="nofollow - Americain (USA) x https://www.breednet.com.au/search/SearchRes.asp?dam=River+Dreaming&s=1" rel="nofollow - River Dreaming (IRE) (Galileo (IRE) )
is in the right stable to be developed, if the trainer doesn't succumb to aussie way of training. |
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:29am
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:31am
acacia alba wrote:
There were a lot of like looking silks for sure ! I just think too many of us let a technicality take away what an amazing thing the horse did, because a line on a piece of paper says he is older than he is. This mentally and physically 3 year year old horse travelled across the world to another totally different environment and style of racing, adapted, took on the world, and won. If he was an Aust 3 yo everyone would be in awe but intsead all we do is argue over what the race book says. Sad really.
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The 3 and a half year old AU/NZ horses these days are utterly incapable of winning a Sydney Cup.
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:33am
did i just hear that Rekindling weighs 410 kg? more merit in the horses win. hope he comes back.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:36am
Isaac soloman wrote:
8 | 13.6 | 6. https://www.breednet.com.au/horse/missy-zippy" rel="nofollow - Missy Zippy | Matthew Cumani | H Coffey (8) | $26 | 54.0 | | 3f https://www.breednet.com.au/sire/Americain" rel="nofollow - Americain (USA) x https://www.breednet.com.au/search/SearchRes.asp?dam=River+Dreaming&s=1" rel="nofollow - River Dreaming (IRE) (Galileo (IRE) )
is in the right stable to be developed, if the trainer doesn't succumb to aussie way of training. |
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Now all they have to do is find a 4000m G1 for it.
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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:54am
Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?
what would he be aimed at in europe ??
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Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 11:04am
cabosanlucas wrote:
Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?
what would he be aimed at in europe ?? |
I think Williams said in the post race interview that he will have a week or so at his property then back to Europe. Ascot Gold Cup was mentioned I believe.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 11:09am
Small horse with 56kg in 2018. Williams will have to find another one.
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Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 11:30am
REKINDLING (GB)
4yo Bay Horse
D.O.B: 23-Mar-2014
by HIGH CHAPARRAL (IRE)
from SITARA (GB)
Specifically he was 3yo + 7mths
------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it!
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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 3:44pm
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
cabosanlucas wrote:
Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?
what would he be aimed at in europe ?? |
I think Williams said in the post race interview that he will have a week or so at his property then back to Europe. Ascot Gold Cup was mentioned I believe. |
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 3:46pm
F*** this horse ! I have had a gut-full of hearing about it. The Melbourne Cup is becoming a race I can't be bothered with. A lottery.
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Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 3:53pm
sore loser? you dont have to read. or listen. my sentiments for the stuff in joffs all sports. im waiting for whale to reappear to make it interesting.
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 4:27pm
cabosanlucas wrote:
ExceedAndExcel wrote:
cabosanlucas wrote:
Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?
what would he be aimed at in europe ?? |
I think Williams said in the post race interview that he will have a week or so at his property then back to Europe. Ascot Gold Cup was mentioned I believe. |
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Further to that, he said it was likely he would go back to Ireland but he would be making a final decision next week. US Army Ranger and Johannes Vermeer likely to stay here though
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 4:29pm
Jamal wrote:
The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th |
Wrong. Amelie’s Star was First Aus Home in 14th Boom Time finished 15th
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:38pm
max manewer wrote:
F*** this horse ! I have had a gut-full of hearing about it. The Melbourne Cup is becoming a race I can't be bothered with. A lottery. |
ha ha now who is cranky ?
------------- animals before people.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 7:02am
acacia alba wrote:
max manewer wrote:
F*** this horse ! I have had a gut-full of hearing about it. The Melbourne Cup is becoming a race I can't be bothered with. A lottery. |
ha ha now who is cranky ?
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Well it has become a pig in a poke race- far more guesswork and dumb luck involved than when all the runners form was in Australia and recent.
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 1:23pm
Now Listed as being trained by Hickmott - staying in Aus!??
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Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 5:10pm
Magnolian Khan wrote:
Now Listed as being trained by Hickmott - staying in Aus!?? |
But Hickmott is leaving Lloyd
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 5:11pm
Well come Monday he'll presumably be listed as being trained by the new guy on the block.
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Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 8:18pm
djebel wrote:
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Shawy38 wrote:
Lord Hybrow wrote:
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.
Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??
Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts. |
Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy | I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN |
What a stunning stunning pedigree.
Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.
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Sorry to go a bit off track but here's your chance to buy her djebel - unreserved so I doubt she will cost you much: https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales/2017/11/21/catalogue/34#pic1" rel="nofollow - https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales/2017/11/21/catalogue/34#pic1
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 8:34pm
Reports are his return to Ireland is deferred and he’ll be running here in Aust over the autumn.
Either Aust Cup or Tancred Stks, followed by the Sydney Cup. Great news !!
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 11:46pm
Is he going first up into the Tancred ?
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 7:49am
Read somewhere the other day , will try find it.
Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer will probably have a one run prep most likely the Blamey
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 12:25pm
Rekindling is having a stamina campaign and than going back to Europe.
It is a matter of which race in Sydney is the target.
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 12:38pm
LLOYD Williams will target Saturday’s Group 1 Australian Cup with a band of high-class stayers but the Melbourne Cup-winning owner is mulling a more distant and less prestigious objective for his stable stars.
While the Macedon Lodge supremo covets his first Australian Cup victory since Zipping (2010) with Almandin, Taj Mahal and Homesman, Saturday’s week’s Group 2 Blamey Stakes (1600m) is a possible target for Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer.
The Melbourne Cup quinella last spring, Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer have steadily built fitness under trainer Liam Howley.
Chasing a record seventh Cup, Williams said he had yet to decide when to resume with the pair.
“Rekindling, I can’t make my mind,” he said. “Also with Johannes Vermeer.
“Last year and previous years I have given my best prospects a very light autumn or no runs, for example Almandin.
“This year I will nominate them maybe for a race or two, for example the Blamey.”
Williams won the Blamey Stakes in 2012 with Green Moon, the same year the import advanced to Melbourne Cup success.
Depending how 2016 Cup winner Almandin, Zipping Stakes victor Taj Mahal and last start Caulfield winner Homesman fare in the $1.5 million Australian Cup, Williams could send all three north for next month’s Sydney Cup.
Herald SUN 6/3
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 12:40pm
Racehorse trainers
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 1:08pm
I can't see the point of giving stayers one-run campaigns at 1600m. What is the point? They can prepare horses to win first up at 2500m so could easily get Rekindling fit without running him at all. Is the Blamey something Williams particularly wants to win?
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Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 8:55pm
What races here in Australia are actually suitable for REKINDLING??
1) Tancred Stakes 2) Sydney Cup 3) ATC St Leger 4) Caulfield Cup 5) Melbourne Cup 6) Sandown Classic
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 10:30pm
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 8:05am
Lord Hybrow wrote:
What races here in Australia are actually suitable for REKINDLING??
1) Tancred Stakes 2) Sydney Cup 3) ATC St Leger 4) Caulfield Cup 5) Melbourne Cup 6) Sandown Classic |
Hard to say. Unlike Almandin a Melbourne Cup repeat is not entirely out of the question, because age improvement may compensate for weight rise. On his overseas form he looks unlikely to win a Caulfield Cup or a BMW. Sydney Cup is the obvious race but won't run- this year anyway. Williams only runs them in the Sydney Cup if he doesn't think they can win MC.
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Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 5:44pm
I really like Rekindling to go back to back wins in the Melbourne Cup.
I thought its win was under-rated, if thats even possible. Spanked a good field in my opinion, and might get better. Could be a genuine star this one.
And you know Lloyd is obsessed with the Melbourne Cup, so long range forecast.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 12:12am
I sse Rekindling is nominated for the Sydney Cup:
A. Will Rekindling run in the Sydney Cup?
B. What weight would Rekindling get in the Melb Cup?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 12:19am
55.5
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 12:23am
djebel wrote:
55.5 |
I see he has 56.5kg for the Sydney Cup.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 12:18pm
Seems the whole of the autumn has been ruled out for Rekindling.
What an absolute f**king waste.
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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:47pm
What would you suggest Djebel? Tancred into Sydney Cup? What about QE2 first up?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:49pm
I was hoping the BMW than back to Ireland.
That was the original plan.
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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:50pm
I think he is staying her for the rest of the year now? Howley (or Lloyd) to train for the Spring. First up into the BART Cummings Second up into the Cup
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:55pm
What is the BMW worth ?
Just seems a complete and utter waste and would not add a Kilo to the weight he would get next Spring.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:31pm
So its been comfirmed that Rekindling wont be running at all this Autmn and will now be saved for the spring?
I assume he will get around 55.5kg for the Melbourne Cup? I would of loved to have seen Rekindling run in the BMW at WFA or the Sydney Cup but I assume lloyd doesnt want Rekindling to win anything between now and the Melbourne Cup for fear of getting more weight for the Cup
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:34pm
Why run his MC bound stayers at all in the autumn, if the plan is not to win?
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:51pm
If Williams owned Makybe Diva what races would she have not won that she did win?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:59pm
Tlazolteotl wrote:
If Williams owned Makybe Diva what races would she have not won that she did win?
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Not racing her in the autumn might well have switched off her competitive spirit, we will never ever know.
It seems to me that Williams is failing in his duty in not trying to develop a National Hunt stallion by not running in the BMW and Sydney Cup.
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 5:06pm
djebel wrote:
Tlazolteotl wrote:
If Williams owned Makybe Diva what races would she have not won that she did win?
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Not racing her in the autumn might well have switched off her competitive spirit, we will never ever know.
It seems to me that Williams is failing in his duty in not trying to develop a National Hunt stallion by not running in the BMW and Sydney Cup.
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Sydney Cup, BMW, Australian Cup.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 5:10pm
All 3 are worth winning ever for a multi millionaire.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:18pm
6 months down the track. Where is he?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:21pm
Wasting time in a paddock.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:30pm
I got the impression that you like that kind of patience
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:31pm
Not sure where you would have got that from ?
I wish he'd gone back to Joseph.
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Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:02pm
Bart usd to begin Cups prep 1st week of June. Probably find Williams Inc would not be far away from that routine.
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:05pm
Wouldn’t be surprised if Lloyd sold him in the next 12 months
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:07pm
Prince of Penzance wrote:
Wouldn’t be surprised if Lloyd sold him in the next 12 months |
For national hunt stud duties maybe.
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Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:35pm
Tlazolteotl wrote:
I can't see the point of giving stayers one-run campaigns at 1600m. What is the point?
| He doesn't actually know what he is doing just following the Melbourne Cup profile Dom Beirne came up with.
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:46pm
What odds Lloyd Gelds him?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:47pm
Sneck wrote:
Tlazolteotl wrote:
I can't see the point of giving stayers one-run campaigns at 1600m. What is the point?
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I can not see the point in wasting a whole however he does so we have to live with it.
I suspect the one run campaign is just to keep the horse/s ticking over, keep the compatitive nature of their lives up to scratch.
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Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 12:15pm
Why is this horse rated by Timeform Aust as a 3yo? He is a 4yo in the SH and surely should be regarded as such by the rating firms.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 12:16pm
Im regards to his rating....what is it?
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 12:25pm
Majestic wrote:
Why is this horse rated by Timeform Aust as a 3yo? He is a 4yo in the SH and surely should be regarded as such by the rating firms. |
They must simply be displaying his 3yo rating due to the fact he have never run as a 4yo ?
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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 12:57pm
Returning to the UK
2017 Melbourne Cup winner Rekindling will travel to Hong Kong on their way back to O'Brien's stables in Ireland, but he is unsure whether either will start.
Latrobe carries an entry for the Hong Kong Vase (2400m) but Rekindling, who has not been seen for more than 12 months since his Cup success, is not entered in any of the international features for the December 9 meeting at Sha Tin.
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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 10:21pm
The latest:
https://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/racing/rekindling-jetting-home-to-ireland-story-466645" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/racing/rekindling-jetting-home-to-ireland-story-466645
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