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Topic: Rekindling
Posted By: SkyDancer
Subject: Rekindling
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:06pm
I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family



Replies:
Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:11pm
Im happy for the horse and Corey, big effort for a 3yo who has had a long year to beat seasoned old stayers.


Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by James0330 James0330 wrote:

Im happy for the horse and Corey, big effort for a 3yo who has had a long year to beat seasoned old stayers.


Yeah me too. The owner can get stuffed though


Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:19pm
I like him. 

Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.

Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved.


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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:24pm
Two multimillionaires run first and second. Prefer the PoP story myself


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:25pm
Lloyd is tolerable
Nick is a smugcup cake


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:28pm
Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:35pm
Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

I like him. 

Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.

Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved.


Foaling date 23/3/14 so that makes him 3 years 7 months, which would be like an Australian bred 3yo born in August  winning the Melbourne Cup in March.

I think- check my maths.Wink


Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy

I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN


Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:54pm
It is a bit boring seeing the same winners every year. But he does invest in stayers, which is something not a lot do anymore. Hard to see an Aussie stayer winning this race anymore apart from the odd POP. 


Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 3:56pm
I don't mind Lloyd, as others have said he invests a lot in stayers when most others want Slipper winners


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:31pm
Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family


Yes.  Its nice for the horse, trainer and jockey, but geez, the Cup is becoming a bit of a Lloyd Williams benefit show isnt it.
Sure he spends a lot on the horses, but if i had the money he does,  I would too.  And no doubt quite a few of you others would too.
Nice twists to the story.  24 year old with his first runner in the Cup knocks off famous dad.  First 3 year old since Skipton  to win.
But I do get a bit tired of seeing Lloyd taking all the accolades .  I did like it when Bruce said to him,  "only 6 more to equal Bart " . LOL


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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:39pm
Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Protectionist also won at start 10.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

  First 3 year old since Skipton  to win.

If still a 3-Y-O by Southern Hemisphere time, why does it appear as a 4-Y-O in the racebook in a SH race ?


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:50pm
How would I know ?   Ask some one who cares .  I just looked at its birth date, which I now forget,  and thought it wasnt yet 4.  Confused


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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by scamanda scamanda wrote:

I like him. 

Williams puts in enough money to deserve the spoils.

Rekindling a 3YO our time so even more deserved.


Foaling date 23/3/14 so that makes him 3 years 7 months, which would be like an Australian bred 3yo born in August  winning the Melbourne Cup in March.

I think- check my maths.Wink


23/3/14.   So not yet 4 ???   That makes him 3 ?  Yes ??  or No ??
Ask the joker who printed the book , Max .


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Posted By: jacko1
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:54pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by SkyDancer SkyDancer wrote:

I want to be happy, but can’t stand the Williams family


Yes.  Its nice for the horse, trainer and jockey, but geez, the Cup is becoming a bit of a Lloyd Williams benefit show isnt it.
Sure he spends a lot on the horses, but if i had the money he does,  I would too.  And no doubt quite a few of you others would too.
Nice twists to the story.  24 year old with his first runner in the Cup knocks off famous dad.  First 3 year old since Skipton  to win.
But I do get a bit tired of seeing Lloyd taking all the accolades .  I did like it when Bruce said to him,  "only 6 more to equal Bart " . LOL

Yeah. With the types of owners involved in Cup runners these days the money is not really going to change their life, but the thrill of winning the Cup for the first time is fun to watch for the rest of us. With him it does seem like it's just "oh, another one to add to the collection", even though he is very passionate about the race you want others to experience the thrill. 


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 9:57pm
I do


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

How would I know ?   Ask some one who cares .  I just looked at its birth date, which I now forget,  and thought it wasnt yet 4.  Confused

For chrissakes.....what a cranky answer, as if I was holding you personally responsible. I am saying if it is a 3-Y-O by southern time, it should be described as such, when racing in the SH.


Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:05pm
It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that.


Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:09pm
Meant to say I don’t get it. If I don’t have a Cup runner (highly unlikely) then I only really care about the horse I’ve backed. Udyta Clarke stories are lovely but they’re few and far between.

How many trainers in this country are serious about stayers? As opposed to serious about Magic Millions runners. Can’t really begrudge Williams his success.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:14pm
The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th

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Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by Afros Afros wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Protectionist also won at start 10.


Although it doesn't meet your "modern times" criteria in the last paragraph, I'm pretty sure Martini Henry won the Cup at his second start to answer your previous question.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:28pm
Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy

I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN

What a stunning stunning pedigree.

Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.

MISSY ZIPPY (AUS)Bay or brown filly 2014 
Americain
Bay or brown 2005
Dynaformer
Bay or brown 1985
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952
1949
3-m
12-c
Andover Way
Bay or brown 1978
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
On the Trail
Bay 1964
Olympia
Golden Trail
1946
1958
4-p
4-r
America
Chestnut 1997
Arazi
Chestnut 1989
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Runaway Bride
1954
1962
8-c
22-d
Danseur Fabuleux
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Fabuleux Jane
1961
1974
2-d
7>
Green Rosy
Bay or brown 1984
Green Dancer
Bay 1972
Nijinsky
Green Valley
1967
1967
8-f
16-c
Round the Rosie
Bay 1973
Cornish Prince
Rosayya
1962
1952
1-s
1-n
River Dreaming
Bay 2006
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Armure Royale
Bay 1998
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Playmate
Chestnut 1975
Buckpasser
Intriguing
1963
1964
1-s
1-s
All Along
Bay 1979
Targowice
Bay 1970
Round Table
Matriarch
1954
1964
2-f
16-g
Agujita
Bay 1966
Vieux Manoir
Argosy
1947
1950
10-e
1-d
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5f x 4m Mr Prospectorx 5m,4m


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Posted By: James0330
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2017 at 10:54pm
Gee 3rd dam All Along, quality.


Posted By: bradjm
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 7:19am
Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th


Amilie's star beat him home


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 7:41am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy

I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN

What a stunning stunning pedigree.

Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.

MISSY ZIPPY (AUS)Bay or brown filly 2014 
Americain
Bay or brown 2005
Dynaformer
Bay or brown 1985
Roberto
Bay 1969
Hail to Reason
Brown 1958
Turn-To
Nothirdchance
1951
1948
1-w
4-n
Bramalea
Bay or brown 1959
Nashua
Rarelea
1952
1949
3-m
12-c
Andover Way
Bay or brown 1978
His Majesty
Bay 1968
Ribot
Flower Bowl
1952
1952
4-l
4-d
On the Trail
Bay 1964
Olympia
Golden Trail
1946
1958
4-p
4-r
America
Chestnut 1997
Arazi
Chestnut 1989
Blushing Groom
Chestnut 1974
Red God
Runaway Bride
1954
1962
8-c
22-d
Danseur Fabuleux
Bay 1982
Northern Dancer
Fabuleux Jane
1961
1974
2-d
7>
Green Rosy
Bay or brown 1984
Green Dancer
Bay 1972
Nijinsky
Green Valley
1967
1967
8-f
16-c
Round the Rosie
Bay 1973
Cornish Prince
Rosayya
1962
1952
1-s
1-n
River Dreaming
Bay 2006
Galileo
Bay 1998
Sadler's Wells
Bay 1981
Northern Dancer
Bay 1961
Nearctic
Natalma
1954
1957
14-c
2-d
Fairy Bridge
Bay 1975
Bold Reason
Special
1968
1969
19-b
5-h
Urban Sea
Chestnut 1989
Miswaki
Chestnut 1978
Mr Prospector
Hopespringseternal
1970
1971
13-c
16-g
Allegretta
Chestnut 1978
Lombard
Anatevka
1967
1969
1-d
9-h
Armure Royale
Bay 1998
Woodman
Chestnut 1983
Mr Prospector
Bay 1970
Raise a Native
Gold Digger
1961
1962
8-f
13-c
Playmate
Chestnut 1975
Buckpasser
Intriguing
1963
1964
1-s
1-s
All Along
Bay 1979
Targowice
Bay 1970
Round Table
Matriarch
1954
1964
2-f
16-g
Agujita
Bay 1966
Vieux Manoir
Argosy
1947
1950
10-e
1-d
 Ancestor duplications:Northern Dancer5f x 4m Mr Prospectorx 5m,4m


She must be as slow as a wet week.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 7:42am
Ironic name- Miss ZippyBig smile


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:31am
Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that.


Yes, all breeding buffs know this about NH time and SH time , and horses birthdays etc.  BUT.
You can talk S.H. time to N. H. time all you like.  Breeding, foaling, horses birthdays etc, and all that.  But, he was born on 23 March 2014, so he is 3 and wont be 4 , age wise, until next March.  Just because we have this northern/southern thing , it doesnt change his age, technically.
I was 68 last March, and I am not 69 now, and I wont be 69 until March next year, regardless of what hemisphere I was born in.
That N/S stuff is a technicality but the actuality is, the horse is 3 years old in age and body and legs.  Read the book anyway you please but he doesnt become 12 months older in body and mind just because he crossed the equator.
Just as Jospeh O,Brien is 24 and he doesnt become 25 just because he came down under Wink


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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:37am
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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:38am
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

  First 3 year old since Skipton  to win.

If still a 3-Y-O by Southern Hemisphere time, why does it appear as a 4-Y-O in the racebook in a SH race ?


It wasnt meant to be cranky, but you ask the question of my post, and I told you what I thought.
Maybe it sounded cranky because I get tired of hearing the age old set in stone rule about NH/SH ageing of TBs.  Crossing the equator ages them on paper, but not in body , mind, and legs.  They cant make a horse instantly 12 months older in its physical makeup simply by crossing an imaginary line on the world map.  Its body is still 3 years old.
But thats just my opinion and we all know what they say about opinions Big smile



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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:40am
Bit like Kingston Town winning the Sydney Cup - Rekindling winning the Melbourne Cup for age group anyway.


Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:41am
Anything foaled in the Northern Hemisphere is placed in our books as a year older as they are foaled before August.


Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:47am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

It's a 4yo. That's why it was listed as a 4yo. Any foal born on that date in the Southern Hemisphere turned 4 on 1 Aug. I'm a breeding dunce and I know that.


Yes, all breeding buffs know this about NH time and SH time , and horses birthdays etc.  BUT.
You can talk S.H. time to N. H. time all you like.  Breeding, foaling, horses birthdays etc, and all that.  But, he was born on 23 March 2014, so he is 3 and wont be 4 , age wise, until next March.  Just because we have this northern/southern thing , it doesnt change his age, technically.
I was 68 last March, and I am not 69 now, and I wont be 69 until March next year, regardless of what hemisphere I was born in.
That N/S stuff is a technicality but the actuality is, the horse is 3 years old in age and body and legs.  Read the book anyway you please but he doesnt become 12 months older in body and mind just because he crossed the equator.
Just as Jospeh O,Brien is 24 and he doesnt become 25 just because he came down under Wink





Agree with all that and didn't mean to come across rude in my post if I had.

Bottom line:
Yes he was born less than 4 years ago.
In Southern Hemisphere racing terms he is a 4yo. He is NOT a 3yo by Southern Hemisphere time.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:51am
They should just call them 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, 6.5 whatever, which is accurate, and put that in the formguides, racebooks etc.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:00am
Yes in SH time he is 4.  I agree with you there E&E.   A line on a map , once crossed, ages him 12 months in 2 mins, when physically the horse is still 3 , not 4 years of age, and there can be, and is, quite a physical difference in a 3 yo and a 4 yo.
Like a lot of other stupid discrepencies in the world of TBs , this of the their age changing on a piece of paper when they cross the equator should be rectfied.   Because they dont change physically.


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Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:04am
Let just say he performed well although he beat the one I backed to win!  Honestly though the worst thing is the similar silks when they are all bays and you forget the caps and can't see the numbers.


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:15am
There were a lot of like looking silks for sure !
I just think too many of us let a technicality take away what an amazing thing the horse did, because a line on a piece of paper says he is older than he is.
This mentally and physically 3 year year old horse travelled across the world to another totally different environment and style of racing, adapted, took on the world, and won. 
If he was an Aust 3 yo everyone would be in awe but intsead all we do is argue over what the race book says.
Sad really.Cry


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:17am
It was a very strong call by Matt Hill, never missed a beat. They got the right man for the job.


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:28am
813.66.  https://www.breednet.com.au/horse/missy-zippy" rel="nofollow - Missy Zippy Matthew CumaniH Coffey (8)
$26
54.0
 3f    https://www.breednet.com.au/sire/Americain" rel="nofollow - Americain (USA)  x  https://www.breednet.com.au/search/SearchRes.asp?dam=River+Dreaming&s=1" rel="nofollow - River Dreaming (IRE)  (Galileo (IRE) )

is in the right stable to be developed, if the trainer doesn't succumb to aussie way of training.


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:29am
and impatient owners!


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:31am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

There were a lot of like looking silks for sure !
I just think too many of us let a technicality take away what an amazing thing the horse did, because a line on a piece of paper says he is older than he is.
This mentally and physically 3 year year old horse travelled across the world to another totally different environment and style of racing, adapted, took on the world, and won. 
If he was an Aust 3 yo everyone would be in awe but intsead all we do is argue over what the race book says.
Sad really.Cry


The 3 and a half year old AU/NZ horses these days are utterly incapable of winning a Sydney Cup.


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:33am
did i just hear that Rekindling weighs 410 kg? more merit in the horses win. hope he comes back.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:36am
Originally posted by Isaac soloman Isaac soloman wrote:

813.66.  https://www.breednet.com.au/horse/missy-zippy" rel="nofollow - Missy Zippy Matthew CumaniH Coffey (8)
$26
54.0
 3f    https://www.breednet.com.au/sire/Americain" rel="nofollow - Americain (USA)  x  https://www.breednet.com.au/search/SearchRes.asp?dam=River+Dreaming&s=1" rel="nofollow - River Dreaming (IRE)  (Galileo (IRE) )

is in the right stable to be developed, if the trainer doesn't succumb to aussie way of training.


Now all they have to do is find a 4000m G1 for it.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:54am
Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?

what would he be aimed at in europe ??


Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 11:04am
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?

what would he be aimed at in europe ??



I think Williams said in the post race interview that he will have a week or so at his property then back to Europe. Ascot Gold Cup was mentioned I believe.


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 11:09am
Small horse with 56kg in 2018. Williams will have to find another one.


Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 11:30am

REKINDLING (GB)

4yo Bay Horse
D.O.B: 23-Mar-2014
by HIGH CHAPARRAL (IRE)  from SITARA (GB)

Specifically he was 3yo + 7mths Big smile


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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?

what would he be aimed at in europe ??



I think Williams said in the post race interview that he will have a week or so at his property then back to Europe. Ascot Gold Cup was mentioned I believe.


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 3:46pm
F*** this horse ! I have had a gut-full of hearing about it. The Melbourne Cup is becoming a race I can't be bothered with. A lottery.


Posted By: Isaac soloman
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 3:53pm
sore loser?
you dont have to read. or listen.
my sentiments for the stuff in joffs all sports. 
im waiting for whale to reappear to make it interesting.


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by ExceedAndExcel ExceedAndExcel wrote:

Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Would rekindling stay here now and aim at another cup or go back with joseph obrien?

what would he be aimed at in europe ??



I think Williams said in the post race interview that he will have a week or so at his property then back to Europe. Ascot Gold Cup was mentioned I believe.


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Further to that, he said it was likely he would go back to Ireland but he would be making a final decision next week. US Army Ranger and Johannes Vermeer likely to stay here though


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by Jamal Jamal wrote:

The best result for the aussie bred stayers inthe Cup was Boom Time - 13th


Wrong. Amelie’s Star was First Aus Home in 14th
Boom Time finished 15th


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

F*** this horse ! I have had a gut-full of hearing about it. The Melbourne Cup is becoming a race I can't be bothered with. A lottery.


ha ha LOL  now who is cranky ?Big smile


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2017 at 7:02am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

F*** this horse ! I have had a gut-full of hearing about it. The Melbourne Cup is becoming a race I can't be bothered with. A lottery.


ha ha LOL  now who is cranky ?Big smile


Well it has become a pig in a poke race- far more guesswork and dumb luck involved than when all the runners form was in Australia and recent.


Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 1:23pm
Now Listed as being trained by Hickmott - staying in Aus!??


Posted By: Baghdad Bob
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by Magnolian Khan Magnolian Khan wrote:

Now Listed as being trained by Hickmott - staying in Aus!??

But Hickmott is leaving Lloyd 


Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 5:11pm
Well come Monday he'll presumably be listed as being trained by the new guy on the block.


Posted By: BlackKnight
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2017 at 8:18pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Originally posted by Shawy38 Shawy38 wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

Lloyd is frustrating with all the accepting and then scratching of his horses. But he does spend big bucks and I admire his passion for the Melb Cup.

Is REKINDLING the most inexperienced horse to win the Cup??

Only his 10th career start!! I can’t remember any winner in modern times having so few starts.


Nowhere near same league but over 3200m at Echuca today is a 3yo filly having her third start. Missy Zippy

I noticed her going around today in that race. She’s by AMERICAIN


What a stunning stunning pedigree.

Hopefully, no matter how slow she is, she gets to the breeding sheds.



Sorry to go a bit off track but here's your chance to buy her djebel - unreserved so I doubt she will cost you much: https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales/2017/11/21/catalogue/34#pic1" rel="nofollow - https://www.bloodstockauction.com/sales/2017/11/21/catalogue/34#pic1


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2018 at 8:34pm
Reports are his return to Ireland is deferred and he’ll be running here in Aust over the autumn.

Either Aust Cup or Tancred Stks, followed by the Sydney Cup. Great news !!


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2018 at 11:46pm
Is he going first up into the Tancred ?

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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 7:49am
Read somewhere the other day , will try find it.

Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer will probably have a one run prep most likely the Blamey


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 12:25pm
Rekindling is having a stamina campaign and than going back to Europe.

It is a matter of which race in Sydney is the target.




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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 12:38pm
LLOYD Williams will target Saturday’s Group 1 Australian Cup with a band of high-class stayers but the Melbourne Cup-winning owner is mulling a more distant and less prestigious objective for his stable stars.

While the Macedon Lodge supremo covets his first Australian Cup victory since Zipping (2010) with Almandin, Taj Mahal and Homesman, Saturday’s week’s Group 2 Blamey Stakes (1600m) is a possible target for Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer.

The Melbourne Cup quinella last spring, Rekindling and Johannes Vermeer have steadily built fitness under trainer Liam Howley.

Chasing a record seventh Cup, Williams said he had yet to decide when to resume with the pair.

“Rekindling, I can’t make my mind,” he said. “Also with Johannes Vermeer.

“Last year and previous years I have given my best prospects a very light autumn or no runs, for example Almandin.

“This year I will nominate them maybe for a race or two, for example the Blamey.”

Williams won the Blamey Stakes in 2012 with Green Moon, the same year the import advanced to Melbourne Cup success.

Depending how 2016 Cup winner Almandin, Zipping Stakes victor Taj Mahal and last start Caulfield winner Homesman fare in the $1.5 million Australian Cup, Williams could send all three north for next month’s Sydney Cup.

Herald SUN 6/3


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 12:40pm
Racehorse trainers Dead

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 1:08pm
I can't see the point of giving stayers one-run campaigns at 1600m. What is the point? They can prepare horses to win first up at 2500m so could easily get Rekindling fit without running him at all. Is the Blamey something Williams particularly wants to win?


Posted By: Lord Hybrow
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 8:55pm
What races here in Australia are actually suitable for REKINDLING??

1) Tancred Stakes
2) Sydney Cup
3) ATC St Leger
4) Caulfield Cup
5) Melbourne Cup
6) Sandown Classic


Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2018 at 10:30pm
Metrop


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 8:05am
Originally posted by Lord Hybrow Lord Hybrow wrote:

What races here in Australia are actually suitable for REKINDLING??

1) Tancred Stakes
2) Sydney Cup
3) ATC St Leger
4) Caulfield Cup
5) Melbourne Cup
6) Sandown Classic



Hard to say. Unlike Almandin a Melbourne Cup repeat is not entirely out of the question, because age improvement may compensate for weight rise. On his overseas form he looks unlikely to win a Caulfield Cup or a BMW. Sydney Cup is the obvious race but won't run- this year anyway. Williams only runs them in the Sydney Cup if he doesn't think they can win MC.


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2018 at 5:44pm
I really like Rekindling to go back to back wins in the Melbourne Cup.

I thought its win was under-rated, if thats even possible.
Spanked a good field in my opinion, and might get better.
Could be a genuine star this one.

And you know Lloyd is obsessed with the Melbourne Cup, so long range forecast.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 12:12am
I sse Rekindling is nominated for the Sydney Cup:

A. Will Rekindling run in the Sydney Cup?

B. What weight would Rekindling get in the Melb Cup?



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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 12:19am
55.5

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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2018 at 12:23am
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

55.5


I see he has 56.5kg for the Sydney Cup.

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 12:18pm
Seems the whole of the autumn has been ruled out for Rekindling.

What an absolute f**king waste.




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Posted By: Afros
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:47pm
What would you suggest Djebel? Tancred into Sydney Cup? What about QE2 first up?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:49pm
I was hoping the BMW than back to Ireland.

That was the original plan.




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Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:50pm
I think he is staying her for the rest of the year now?
Howley (or Lloyd) to train for the Spring.
First up into the BART Cummings
Second up into the Cup


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 1:55pm
What is the BMW worth ?

Just seems a complete and utter waste and would not add a Kilo to the weight he would get next Spring.




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Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:31pm
So its been comfirmed that Rekindling wont be running at all this Autmn and will now be saved for the spring?

I assume he will get around 55.5kg for the Melbourne Cup? I would of loved to have seen Rekindling run in the BMW at WFA or the Sydney Cup but I assume lloyd doesnt want Rekindling to win anything between now and the Melbourne Cup for fear of getting more weight for the Cup

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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:34pm
Why run his MC bound stayers at all in the autumn, if the plan is not to win?


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:51pm
If Williams owned Makybe Diva what races would she have not won that she did win?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 4:59pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If Williams owned Makybe Diva what races would she have not won that she did win?

Not racing her in the autumn might well have switched off her competitive spirit, we will never ever know.

It seems to me that Williams is failing in his duty in not trying to develop a National Hunt stallion by not running in the BMW and Sydney Cup.




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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

If Williams owned Makybe Diva what races would she have not won that she did win?

Not racing her in the autumn might well have switched off her competitive spirit, we will never ever know.

It seems to me that Williams is failing in his duty in not trying to develop a National Hunt stallion by not running in the BMW and Sydney Cup.




Sydney Cup, BMW, Australian Cup.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2018 at 5:10pm
All 3 are worth winning ever for a multi millionaire.




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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:18pm
6 months down the track. Where is he?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:21pm
Wasting time in a paddock.




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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:30pm
I got the impression that you like that kind of patience


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2018 at 9:31pm
Not sure where you would have got that from ?

I wish he'd gone back to Joseph.




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Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:02pm
Bart usd to begin Cups prep 1st week of June. Probably find Williams Inc would not be far away from that routine.


Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:05pm
Wouldn’t be surprised if Lloyd sold him in the next 12 months


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:07pm
Originally posted by Prince of Penzance Prince of Penzance wrote:

Wouldn’t be surprised if Lloyd sold him in the next 12 months


For national hunt stud duties maybe.



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Posted By: Sneck
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:35pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

I can't see the point of giving stayers one-run campaigns at 1600m. What is the point?
He doesn't actually know what he is doing just following the Melbourne Cup profile Dom Beirne came up with.


Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:46pm
What odds Lloyd Gelds him?


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2018 at 1:47pm
Originally posted by Sneck Sneck wrote:

Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

I can't see the point of giving stayers one-run campaigns at 1600m. What is the point?
He doesn't actually know what he is doing just following the Melbourne Cup profile Dom Beirne came up with.


I can not see the point in wasting a whole however he does so we have to live with it.

I suspect the one run campaign is just to keep the horse/s ticking over, keep the compatitive nature of their lives up to scratch.





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Posted By: Majestic
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 12:15pm
Why is this horse rated by Timeform Aust as a 3yo? He is a 4yo in the SH and surely should be regarded as such by the rating firms.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 12:16pm
Im regards to his rating....what is it?

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by Majestic Majestic wrote:

Why is this horse rated by Timeform Aust as a 3yo? He is a 4yo in the SH and surely should be regarded as such by the rating firms.

They must simply be displaying his 3yo rating due to the fact he have never run as a 4yo ?


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Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2018 at 12:57pm
Returning to the UK

2017 Melbourne Cup winner Rekindling will travel to Hong Kong on their way back to O'Brien's stables in Ireland, but he is unsure whether either will start.

Latrobe carries an entry for the Hong Kong Vase (2400m) but Rekindling, who has not been seen for more than 12 months since his Cup success, is not entered in any of the international features for the December 9 meeting at Sha Tin.


Posted By: Jamal
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2018 at 10:21pm
The latest:


https://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/racing/rekindling-jetting-home-to-ireland-story-466645" rel="nofollow - https://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/racing/rekindling-jetting-home-to-ireland-story-466645

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