Viddora
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Topic: Viddora
Posted By: Nocturnal
Subject: Viddora
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 11:44am
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I couldn't find a thread for her , apologies if there is. This girl is flying and arguably could have won both the Moir and the Manikato . Memo for connections , yes he is the trainers mate and yes his wife is a part owner but surely it's time to replace Bowditch with an A grader . Last night was a train wreck and A grade jockeys make brighter , quicker decisions and this girl is often ridden for luck due to questionable gate speed so they need that edge of the better Jockey. Appease him with the fact a group 1 winning broodmare will bring greater returns for his wife's ownership . Thoughts? ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 12:15pm
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100% correct. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 1:07pm
| I do agree with the sentiments above, but I'm interested to know has this mare ever been a winner over 1200 in her career?.after all that's where most G1 races are that would suit. |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 1:28pm
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I would agree to Nocturnal, but last night was a total forget. The trainer stated after the race that the plan was to follow Vega Magic as they thought he would take them into the race, which did not happen, but when it did not happen, he should of had a plan b and c. ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 1:29pm
| Agree Bowditch is an in and out rider but can't see much wrong with either of his last two rides. After watching the replay I'm not sure why he went back inside last night but it made no difference imo. She's a get back run on type so will always need some luck BUT......her record suggests she doesn't run a strong enough 1200m (esp in good company) despite regularly flashing home over 1100m. Is that down to training or the limit of her distance ability? I don't know but suspect the latter because Kennewell's a decent trainer. I doubt it has anything to do with jockeying. Riding her upside down would probably be a huge mistake. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 1:32pm
| I’d rather Bowditch than Williams |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 5:17pm
Rode 4 winner a today . The pot always works seemingly  (back to his right grade?)------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2017 at 5:18pm
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**Winners today ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Synthetic
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2017 at 9:40am
| Impending coming out changes the dynamic for the Winterbottom Stks |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 7:37pm
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I have taken $11 for her in the Winterbottom , I know Sunline is on State Solictor at $7.50 . Mmmm..... Pike v Bowditch = no contest , let's hope for a suspension . C Parnham gave her a stretch of the legs this morning let's hope they take a shine to each other ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 9:26pm
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Noccy I would happily add your ticket to mine. She's a very good mare. Quite underrated. A heartbreaker. But underrated. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Synthetic
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2017 at 6:50pm
Good points. On the 1200m though, she ran through the line fine in G1 Sangster.
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3blindmice wrote:Posted By: MorphettvilleMauler
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 3:47pm
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when you say select an 'a-grader' over bowditch, you need to be specific. and actually who would take the ride? She is best ridden out the back and storming home, it is hard at times for horses like her getting through. has been a nose off winning a g1. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 4:22pm
Horses who race this way as you know MM luck and splits that come in a twinkling are the key to these types imo, held up for one crack fresh air is what they want, two jocks imo ( and I'm in No way advocating change) that would also suit this mare would be Cory Brown or Jason Collett, both cold rider's and the big stage is no problems, fwiw. 
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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 11:54am
I disagree she is best ridden back , her questionable gate speed means she settles back and defaults to this style . Bowdwitch has had 256 Group rides in Group races for a 5% winning strike rate, 44 in group ones for a solitary win in the SA Derby (hardly a stellar group 1) . You want A graders how about Zahra, Lane(might be suspended), Brown, Mcevoy et al . Financially I hope I have egg on my face and she does the job as I am set at $11 but whilst JB is in good form this season the above stats don't lie. ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 12:01pm
Further to the above , her 6 wins she has settled 2nd, 3rd,3rd,5th,7th,5th , Hardly a stat that supports your theory of best ridden back .  ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 12:48pm
| Think Ascot with pace on actually suits her but I do hope they ride her close to the speed because I'm on Rock Magic (Noske needs to redeem himself after the Money Maher debacle altho Hall and Odonnell didn't help one bit). Her best chance is to sweep home form worse than midfield imo. Small field helps. |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 1:13pm
That's a stat I didn't know about Noccy, I'll keep out and leave it to those that do.
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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 8:00pm
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I love you Joe ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 8:06pm
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 8:08pm
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Ha ha. Great ride and good result for you Nocturnal. She had no trouble running out the 1200m today. For we poor chumps who backed Noske on Rock Magic all I can say is now we know what it feels like to be done in the eye and rogered at the same time. I have a short memory but his rides on Money Mahal and RM are stark reminders of why I don't bet on WA races often.
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 8:30pm
| Got $6 this beauty. Easily the best form in the race. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 8:58pm
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Big result for Noccy. Well done, mate. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Balciano
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 9:12pm
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I was with you 3BM. Was on Rock Magic @$6.50 e/w and was quietly confident. The horse pulled up lame and with an elevated heart rate so it was a game run under the circumstances. Hats off to the winner and 10/10 ride Joe Bowditch. Good to see an SA horse snare a big win in the West. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2017 at 11:44am
How did the jockey pull up? Sore arms from dragging it back for no reason after a good beginning from an inside barrier? Doubt it was winning anyway but on my limited observations I wouldn't let the bloke anywhere near one of mine if I was an owner.
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Posted By: MorphettvilleMauler
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 3:06pm
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good effort Nocturnal on getting in early at $11 i always wait for the day, and was still fortunate to get her at half that. JB rode her well, she was the best in the race and showed it. thanks for the stats as well, interesting to read that
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2017 at 5:08pm
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Strapper was quite cute |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 5:11pm
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$51 for the TJ in the Autumn |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 5:23pm
Didn't fancy him all that much.
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Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 5:24pm
There was a lovely looking girl with her after the race |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:42pm
| Superior |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:43pm
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Very good mare. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:50pm
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Nicely trained. Shame Australian trainers can not campaign stayers in similar fashion to how this sprinter has been campaigned. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: VOYAGER
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:50pm
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And when you get good mares in form keep them in training. She has the Lightning and the Newmarket to come in the next eight weeks which is perfect for her! ------------- Remember, it might take intelligence to be smart , but it takes experience to be wise |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:51pm
| And has travelled about 9,500 kms over the last month or so and picked up $1.2m. |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 5:58pm
I am pretty sure Adelaide is in australia? |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:02pm
And she is a sprinter. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:09pm
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She is upper echelon of our sprinters . Sit and steer today ,.. can she win the Everest ? I hope so M! I have taken the $151 ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 6:46pm
Suspect there was a mea-culpa after Ascot, but two million dollar race wins later...... ps sorry Noccy, just can't help myself.  |
Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 1:43am
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I still stand by my original statement SC . I would much prefer she have an A grade jockey , . Let’s hope JB continues to prove me wrong ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Synthetic
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 7:14am
| Back in work after a break and I see next major target is the Sangster via a lead up run |
Posted By: Shrunk in the Wash
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 7:18am
Why not the TJ |
Posted By: Synthetic
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 7:21am
Short spell instead - think she had 2 weeks
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Posted By: Nocturnal
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 10:25am
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My Redzel /Russian in Oakleigh/Viddora in Sangster @$98 is now confetti .. sounds a good race for her , no travel etc ------------- The only problem with backing winners ? You never have enough on.... |
Posted By: Synthetic
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2018 at 9:26pm
Just batter up...Russian Revolution, Viddora - Sangster into The Everest
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Posted By: Synthetic
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2018 at 4:08pm
| Trials Thursday - Heat 1. Then Irwin into Sangster |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 12:07am
| Surely gets a slot now? |
Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 4:23am
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Horses for courses - wins if they run it at MV over 955 - 1100m!
------------- In reference to every post in the Trump thread ... "There may have been a tiny bit of license taken there" ... Ok, Thanks for the "heads up" PT! |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 11:28am
Viddora, what a unit! She’ll get in for sure, and win it. I backed her in the futures months ago @ $20. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞Don’t you just love racing? 😋  ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2018 at 11:30am
Don’t you think, Synthetic? 🍀🏇👍 ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2018 at 6:05pm
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: adolphus twirk
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 12:11am
| She is in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And so she should be |
Posted By: Kingy
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2018 at 9:11pm
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GO you good thing! 2 horse war with SHOALS and they dead-heat... that'll do me nicely :)
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Posted By: Synthetic
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2018 at 11:08am
Big week ahead! Wouldn't want any ahead of her despite the predicted wet.
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Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 12:01am
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We’ll be there, got same accomodation as last year, walking distance to Randwick, with The Doncaster half way, bring on The Everest! ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: Cheeky
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 7:31am
Not sure you were shopping at the right shop. The TAB has also reported that one astute early shopper placed $500 each-way on Viddora at $101/$26 last month before the Moir Stakes winner had secured her spot in the race. ------------- Good Horse Good Jockey Good Bet Pittsburgh Phil |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 9:01am
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I got $21.00 with Sportsbet back in March!🤨Just went in and had a look. I didn’t compare sites, in retrospect that was a mistake 🤮 ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 11:03am
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The TAB bet would have been with refund conditions as well... very smart cookie... I had $10,000 to $100 with another betting shop on Viddora (same refund conditions) as Viddora was going into the barrier for the Moir. If she won the Moir, I'm a chance she'll get a slot and have a good bet going, if she doesn't... who cares money back. Lucky for me she's in....
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 11:22am
They gave you 100/1 Viddora to lose $10,000  - who the hell is that with?------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 12:22pm
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Sportsbet. They also gave me $10,000 to $100 HTOB after his Flem 2nd, $8,000 to $100 (With Price pump, or whatever they call it) Jungle Cat before he got on the plane, and $5,000 to $100 Kemono just in case he snared the last spot instead of HOTB. ALL with refunds if doesn't gain a slot... And.... I've had about 3 bets prior with them over the past 10 years!!!
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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 3:18pm
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Incredible- 100/1 on a runner or money back.That's a sweet deal. Good luck. ------------- An honest politician is one who when he is bought will stay bought. Simon Cameron |
Posted By: pnclick
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 3:28pm
| Was really good until 20 minutes ago, with Home of the Brave also going for 10k. Now the interesting conumdrum? If HOTB a refund with the slot holder having to replace its runner??? |
Posted By: Prince of Penzance
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 7:56pm
Horror show 
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Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 2:01pm
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Lloyd Kennewell will travel his star sprinting mare Viddora to Dubai where she will tackle the Al Quoz Sprint on World Cup night. Kennwell said Viddora has come through her Oakleigh Plate run in good order. “She’s had all her inoculations and has come through that well and thanks to the VRC she will gallop up the straight on Tuesday week and that should hold her in good stead before she flies out. Kennewell was pleased with her first-up run in the Oakleigh plate, “my guys who do the form had it rated the third-best run in the race…she’s actually tightened up nicely so I’m really looking forward to the trip ahead. The Dubai Racing Club chased Viddora last year but Kennewell knocked it back in favour of the million dollar Goodwood Handicap in Adelaide. “This is her last season of racing and all the owners are really pumped up to get on the plane to get over there and enjoy the trip. “If everything goes to plan there (in Dubai) then she’s got a trip to Hong Kong and who knows after that, she could finish her racing career overseas. “She’s a great traveller, she’s in really good order.” Viddora’s main challenge will likely come from the Godolphin-owned Blue Point who was dominant in beating the Lindsay Park-trained Faatinah in the Group 2 Dubai Sprint on February 14. Blue Point is currently a $2 favourite with Sportsbet with Viddora rated a $13 chance. ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 6:32pm
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 6:41pm
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Bring her home and get Kristen Manning to do a mating plan are my thoughts on the matter., should be a winner 🏆 ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 6:50pm
Anybody who knows Kristens work know how she would breed this mare. 2 of her favourite matriarchs and or families are heavily involved in the making of Viddora.
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 6:50pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 6:51pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Sister Dot
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 7:10pm
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Sounds good to me 😁 its all about taking a punt? ------------- “Where in this wide world can man find nobility without pride, friendship without envy, or beauty without vanity? Here where grace is laced with muscle and strength by gentleness confined” |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 7:21pm
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Two proven stallions providing the Eight Carat cross. And Pierata if you don't want the Octagonal/Colombia sibling cross too closeand also want to introduce the successful Flying Spur/Danehill match with Zabeel/Sir T.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 7:25pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 7:27pm
------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 7:35pm
Thanks Djebel.  To explain the above further, if you were to use Pierro or Lonhro you'd arguably risk too much of the siblings Octagonal and Colombia coming through - given the stoutness involved. Whereas the use of Pierata would keep the stout sibling cross, albeit a generation back, and importantly introduce the Flying Spur/Danehill influence that adds dynamic acceleration to the classic aspects of Zabeel/Sir T. Just imo.
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Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 8:31pm
Thanks so much for your in-depth, comprehensive analysis. 
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Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2019 at 9:00pm
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Good grief, Chris you should go and find yourself a hobby. Your inane drivel is getting tiresome. ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 2:28pm
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Lane. Doubtful runner in HK ------------- Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house. |
Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 2:29pm
*lame ------------- Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 12:15am
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 7:16pm
| Improved considerably. Will run at this stage |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 7:38pm
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Let's hope so as they've passed the Sangster up for this. Hopefully comes back healthy enough, raced or otherwise, to contest the Goodwood.
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Posted By: Batman
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 8:00pm
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Will be scratched ------------- Gambling has brought our family closer together. We had to move to a smaller house. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 8:32pm
| Evidence or just your opinion? |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 8:36pm
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Isn't she going to Europe to race and be served and ultimately sold ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2019 at 8:42pm
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Sorry, dunno. |
Posted By: Straight arrow
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 12:42am
| Hasnohope hope of performing good |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 11:48am
| Not the strongest edition of the race SA |
Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 2:15pm
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Viddora has passed her vet check and will take her place in the Chairman’s Sprint Prize https://twitter.com/HKJC_Racing" rel="nofollow - @HKJC_Racing tomorrow.
Thanks to Paddy Bell and all the vets for there hard work in achieving this. Bring on Sunday
Tweet from Lloyd
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Posted By: TJMitchell
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 2:31pm
| Mr Stunning however is out |