Harvey Weinstein
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Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted By: Passing Through
Subject: Harvey Weinstein
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:26am
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As he is being discussed in multiple threads and the scandal around him is growing fast and expanding to other people, and I think will follow to other areas including business and sport, it feels like a change is coming, so it might be worth a thread of it's own. Huge social issue waiting to explode Has anyone fallen faster than Harvey Weinstein? One might say it’s among the most stunning falls from grace Hollywood has ever seen, but the word “grace” has rarely been used where Harvey Weinstein is concerned. In less than a week, the mounting scandal over allegations of sexual harassment and assault has rapidly consumed the once-powerful film mogul — and the entertainment industry as a whole. With fresh accusations against Weinstein continuing to emerge after stories involving stars such as http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-gwyneth-paltrow-angelina-jolie-1507657915-htmlstory.html" rel="nofollow - Gwyneth http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-gwyneth-paltrow-angelina-jolie-1507657915-htmlstory.html" rel="nofollow - Paltrow and http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-gwyneth-paltrow-angelina-jolie-1507657915-htmlstory.html" rel="nofollow - Angelina Jolie broke in the New York Times and the http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-new-yorker-report-by-ronan-farrow-1507649958-htmlstory.html" rel="nofollow - New Yorker , organizations and individuals across Hollywood and in politics are scrambling to distance themselves from him, while large and uncomfortable questions are arising about what the scandal reveals about the culture of Hollywood. Since the first http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-weinstein-hollywood-business-20171005-story.html" rel="nofollow - New York Times story appeared last Thursday, Weinstein — a man who for decades was renowned for his ability to mint award-winning hits like “Pulp Fiction,” “Shakespeare in Love” and “The King’s Speech” and whose films have racked up more than 300 Oscar nominations — has become a pariah. more.... http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-harvey-weinstein-collapse-20171011-story.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-harvey-weinstein-collapse-20171011-story.html ------------- |
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:47am
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Just read the list of women who have come out against this fellow & the brief story each are saying about him. Amazing how many are saying the same thing - that they were invited back to his hotel room & on arrival he was there waiting in a bath robe. Umm - hello - why would you go into the room then ladies ? Anyway, fortunately ALL seemed to get away from the fellow before any real harm was done. Not sure about the "huge social issues waiting to explode" though PT. Deary me ! ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:56am
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Dozens of women so far, several rape accusations, at least a dozen paid off, at least two police and prosecutorial investigations silenced. Powerful people abusing that power to sexually assault women whose entire career might live or die on the next decision they make is a big deal. Other names are coming out now, including a leading actor apologising in advance, and another well known abuser being named. No wonder he begged for and was granted Russian citizenship last year. They dont extradite ------------- |
Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:00am
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A lot of enablers. Famous women who were groped early on in their career by Weinstein, chose not to work with him again, but said nothing publicly. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:02am
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There are always enablers and apologists involved with so much at stake for everyone involved All are as guilty as the the abuser. ------------- |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:05am
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Well I just hope this "social adjustment" does not lead to a lot more unattractive women in movies. Hang the bugger if so ! ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:08am
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This stuff has been around since pussy was a kitten. Since when do people in a position of power not try to use it to feed their "fetishes". If they get caught out - so be it. However its never going to "REALLY" change how things are done....esp in the movie world ! ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:28am
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The good old casting couch. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:42am
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I am amazed that a father or husband didnt smash his face in years ago. How could so so many women stay silent for so long ???  ------------- animals before people. |
Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:38am
For the same reason stable staff stay silent; they won't risk black listing  ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: ExceedAndExcel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:41am
This is exactly right. Same thing happens everywhere. To speak out without several others doing so at the same time is to confine your career to the scrap heap. |
Gay3 wrote:Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:13am
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:24am
| Amusing to read that actor Ben Affleck, who was highly critical of Weinstein, now has women coming out accusing him of groping them. It's all phoney in Hollywood. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 12:52pm
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There must be some Hollywood starlets who worked with Weinstein, who didn't have the "moves" put on them. I wonder what they are thinking about that. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 1:38pm
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One said she rebuffed his sexual advances 3 times of the 5. The Usual , wait 20 years then have a breakdown for a dollar. Boys will be boys. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 1:47pm
| It has been rampant in Hollywood, forever. The women are largely cast because they are attractive specimens. The people who decide who is cast, are in a powerful position, and take advantage of it. Marilyn Monroe said she spent a lot of time on her knees, getting the roles she played. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 2:02pm
| Insecure little men with huge egos and no self control. Not just Hollywood, they’re everywhere. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 2:17pm
| One of the catches inherent in making your fortune out of sex appeal. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 2:23pm
| ....an ole Harvey Wallbanger denies all accusations, "unequivocally". I can only laugh at Hollywood and its movies, I lost interest long ago. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 2:24pm
| Not all women who are sexually harassed in the workplace are “ trying to make a fortune out of their sex appeal”. Even in Hollywood they don’t deserve to be subjected to this sort of predatory behaviour. No ifs no buts, it’s just plain wrong. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 2:34pm
| If you fear ostracization from an industry for reporting assault, find another industry, I would say. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 2:40pm
Of course it would be much better if you didn’t have to report anything in the first place  Egregious victim blaming right there. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 2:47pm
| If everyone reported it, that would stop it. They don't, because they consider the potential gain from silence outweighs the insult/indignity they endured. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 5:40pm
You wouldn't need to stop it if it didn't start. Not being a sexual predator is not too high a of a demand to place on someone, I wouldn't have thought. Failure to report it is considerably the lesser of two evils, by any reasonable measure.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 5:44pm
| If no-one reported crime, do you think it increases ? No-brainer ! These women submit because they see a big earn at stake. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 5:55pm
| You keep repeating yourself. If a victim doesn't report a crime they are still the victim. The perpetrator is still the perpetrator. There is a an enormous chasm in culpability here. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 5:58pm
| I keep repeating myself because it is the truth. Non-reportage of crime is itself a crime in many cases. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:02pm
| This is a pathetic attempt at rationalisation on your behalf. There is simply no equivalence between the actions of Weinstein and those of his victims. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:07pm
| The silence of the victims, who are seemingly a victim of their ambitions as much as anything, just keeps it rolling. |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:07pm
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I would have thought sexual predatory behaviour was almost hard wired into most males. A matter of degrees of self control I would have thought ! ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:09pm
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There are some bad people in that group, but there are also some very fine people among sexual predators and there is blame on both sides frankly. Oh wait... ------------- |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:12pm
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I mean attractive women are much more likely to be used in movies/ advertising - why ? Surely one of the reasons is that they are more appealing to the male eye. Isn't that just a step away from male sexual predatory behaviour ? ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:14pm
Pathetic is the term that best applies to these crass individuals, but really if a serious crime occurs, ya gotta put ya hand up. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:14pm
I like women but I've never found it difficult NOT to abuse a position of power to force myself on them. It's really not that hard. All that's required is a modicum of respect.
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:18pm
Have you been following the story at all? ------------- |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:19pm
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:24pm
Typically it is after a lengthy time only, look at Cosby. |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:25pm
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Don't most people (men + women) use their position in society / work to influence outcomes to their own benefit. Human nature. This fellow just happened to use it primarily for sexual gratification. The bloke is obviously a grub - just don't think you will ever get rid of such behaviour. Not unlike the Domestic Violence issue. ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:26pm
Why should you have to justify that? Bizarre question. We humans have all sorts of impulses we keep in check because it's the right thing to do. Most of us are aware of this way before the law has to get involved. People like Weinstein are weak, entitled bullies. Not people like me, or I'm assuming you.
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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:28pm
There have been attempts to prosecute him at least twice criminally(12 yrs ago the first) and more than a dozen times civilly The FBI is now investigating why the criminal cases were dropped despite NYPD presenting what were described as ''slam dunk'' cases. Power and influence ------------- |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:29pm
The bloke could've afforded a conga line of $10,000-a-night high class hookers if he purely wanted sexual gratification. He wanted more.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:30pm
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:33pm
| Quite right, Judge, impulse control. But, the victims also had an impulse they did not control, the impulse to make it in the movies, that over-rode other considerations. |
Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:33pm
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:36pm
The only way it will change is if there is a fundamental change in the way many men view women. This is not some feminist claptrap it happens to be true. I have daughters. People like Weinstein repulse me. It won't happen overnight but it can happen- the exposure of people like Ailes, O'Reilly and Weinstein. And blaming the victims is the worst thing you can do.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:36pm
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How many narcissists make it to senior management positions in big business ? Plenty I would suggest. Cant tell me they don't leave a train wreck of human misery behind on the way to meeting their ambitions. ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:38pm
Not unusual, but completely unacceptable nonetheless. We can't just shrug our shoulders and say "boys will be boys". Off to the house of mirrors
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:43pm
You keep arguing as if there is an equivalence here. There simply isn't.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:43pm
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I would also add women are pretty good at using their "natural" advantages to position themselves differently/ above those that don't have same. So its not only men thing Judge. Go ask the fat freckly faced girl in school how well they are treated by the cheer leader types ! ------------- Refer ALP Election Promises |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:44pm
| No doubt some of these "victims", and we may never hear about them, went on to success in pictures, and would do whatever it took to get there, again, given their time over. This not as simple as lechers on the loose,as grubby as they are, the "victims" were their enablers ! |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:44pm
Deflection.
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Posted By: oneonesit
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:46pm
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:47pm
| What is more important, Judge, your name up in lights, or personal integrity ? You may say the latter, but how did the "victims" vote on that ? |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:50pm
| Who put them in a position of having to "vote"? |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 6:59pm
| Every decision you make is a vote. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:01pm
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You didn't answer the question. W-w-w-w-w-w....W-w-w-w-w-. Come on Fonzie. You can say it.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:17pm
| Life can throw up some tough choices, Judge. And until tested, who can say which way we will decide. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:21pm
| Not to sexually abuse or intimidate people isn't a particularly tough choice imo. |
Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:22pm
| More after the ball game virtue signalling from the usual suspects. Just as worthless as many of the "victim" statements in this case. Everyone knew, nobody acted. Paltrow was swift to thank Weinstein and Miramax for her Academy Award. She also had a kind word for her old mate Ben Groper Affleck. Fittingly her award was presented by all time female fondler Jack Nicholson. No expose on Jack either flag wavers? Fittingly this whole sordid story bought to light by the offspring of Mia Farrow and all time pedo Woody Allen. The whole industry is full of enablers and sickos. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:27pm
| Well, I'll leave it to you to try and "shame" the Harvey's of the world, Judge. Their errant behaviour is in inverse proportion to the amount of shame they feel for it. You are wasting your time trying. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:30pm
| I'm not trying to shame them. Just pointing out what should be the bleeding obvious, despite the interjections of ThreeMorons and the like. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:38pm
| There are wolfish men, Judge, it is no good railing against their ways, or appealing to their "better" instincts, which they have in very short supply. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:41pm
That's one of the whole points of civilization and society. To do exactly that.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:46pm
| No, the law is what is supposed to keep anti-social behaviour in check. In this case, as PT pointed out, the mechanisms of the law seem to have failed. Lecturing does not work, preaching as we know, is almost always only heeded by the converted. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 7:55pm
| So who's to blame for the antisocial behaviour? In this instance. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:00pm
| BTW, Harvey's now headed off to somewhere or other for treatment for "sex addiction". Poor Harvey the victim...the mind boggles. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:05pm
The chief law enforcement officer and prosecutor is an elected official who is elected with the help of campaign contributions, like ant other politician. In this case the DA for Manhattan who dropped the case. Cyrus Vance Jr, had received $27k in campaign contributions from Weinstein's lawyer before and after dropping the case against him. Vance was also a lawyer in the same firm as Weinstein's lawyer before running for DA What hope did that girl have of justice and what message does it send to the next one abused, about reporting him? ------------- |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:06pm
| Criminal behaviour has to be reported, full stop. You don't do that, you are encouraging more of it. If you see a shark in the water, you don't curse the shark, you raise the alarm to help the other unsuspecting swimmers ! Effective action trumps moralising, Judge ! |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:08pm
The more complaints, the better the chances. |
Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:10pm
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Isn't that what they are doing now that someone is finally listening? ------------- |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:13pm
"They" would have been listening a lot earlier, if the numbers had come forward then. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:46pm
Seriously, it's like trying to reason with a plush toy...
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:52pm
| How superior you are, Judge ! |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 8:56pm
| Hey, if I'm not a victim blamer, I'll take that all day every day. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:01pm
| If your next door neighbour had his dog baited, and didn't tell you about it, and next week your dog was baited, you wouldn't resent his not warning you ? Wake up ! |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:04pm
Well that's just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:06pm
| Too clever for you, Judge. Hiding crime hurts others. Those Hollywood broads who kept this under wraps are far from blameless. |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:28pm
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This is a really weird thread. Hollywood has been sexually exploiting people since day dot. Stars became stars because they pleasured a producer. Suddenly it's an issue? Would be good to rip the lid off the whole thing, but can't see that happening. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:37pm
I'm sure over centuries priests were fiddling with kiddies since day dot. Suddenly it's an issue? Well, quite. Times have changed.
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:58pm
| I seem to remember that some of the Nazi "elite" preyed on the German cinema starlets of the time, Goebbels certainly one, Bormann another. I doubt complaining to police would have helped much under that regime. |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 9:59pm
Geez took you 5 mins to do that. 
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Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:00pm
| Sorry that was to judge. |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:02pm
| Ever heard of Fatry Arbuckle? Charlie Chaplin? Roman Polanski? Jack Nicholson? Warren Beatty? Guy Pierce? |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:04pm
| Five minutes? Don't get it. The time it takes you to tie your shoelaces? |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:06pm
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Beatty ? He had women throwing themselves at him. It's an awful thing to deal with, from what I can remember of it.
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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:09pm
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Australia%20" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_cases_in_Australia |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:11pm
Weird. 
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Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:11pm
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Hollywood is just a big orgy, sad but true ------------- EAD |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:12pm
| I know, right...centuries of it |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:13pm
He had a good time, that's for sure. |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:13pm
To stayer
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:14pm
| Some say the Anglicans were little better. But of course that doesn't suit some agendas ! |
Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:24pm
| Little better would be damning them with faint praise, unfortunately. The same with Weinstien. Have people beholden to you...so that means you get to fcuk them. A recurring pattern. |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 10:48pm
| Just be thankful you aren't afflicted with too many unruly urges that have no legally permissible outlet, Judge. It's a luxury some don't have, apparently. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2017 at 11:51pm
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I love it. Another one has hit the headlines about how she escaped from him on 5 occasions. One has to ask why she gave him 5 opportunities . To do what.? |
Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 9:06am
On the face of it, it does sound ridiculous. Once bitten, twice shy, they say, but the bite couldn't have been too severe. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 5:19pm
Sadly Max .. Women are victims too often and any of us would die protecting them , BUT there are also far too many False allegations that don't get the severe penalties they deserve. AVO's as a weapon are well known and one reason so many men meet all allegations with suspicion. This sleeze bag Weinstein has gone on for decades without any serious questions being asked . . We have to ask WHY --- HOW. I shake the head = no no no , when some start proceedings many years after the alleged events. This Might start an explosion in Hollywood , Reveal how some shag their way to an Oscar
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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 6:35pm
| Show business is just that, "show". Behind the scenes, a completely different state of affairs. |
Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2017 at 7:49pm
I think your key word is "AFFAIRS" |
Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 7:29am
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Wonder if he tried to touch up the trannies who work in Hollywood ------------- EAD |