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Topic: Stephen Paddock
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Stephen Paddock
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 8:04pm
This is incredible footage

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/" rel="nofollow - https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/the-brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-speaks-for-a-second-time/

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 8:12pm
It is a hell of alot of rambling but this is a brother trying to comprehend what his brother has done.




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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 8:35pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

It is a hell of alot of rambling but this is a brother trying to comprehend what his brother has done.




Yes Dj.    Presents as genuine in his shock.
The Lady friend and her connections will be of interest , given ISIS is active in areas of the Philippines.
We can only guess at this time .


Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 10:53pm
Sorry ,  but Bro seems to me to be all about ME ME ME.  He feels sorry for himself and his mother but,
He barely touches on the dead and injured. 
And when he says about      we are wealthy people blah blah blah     we dont work at Taco Bell.
How arrogant is that !!Disapprove     At a time like this when his brother has just murdered dozens of ordinary every day people. Sick  
I will bet dollars the girlfriend has given him the flick.    Apparently he talked to her like she was dog doo doo.     She ask him for money in the casino and he told her you dont need money ,,I am paying for everything you have.
I reckon Bro is a loose cannon as well. 



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2017 at 11:12pm
Is the mother still alive ? What a fun life, an FBI Most Wanted hubby, now an historic mass murderer son.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:27am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Sorry ,  but Bro seems to me to be all about ME ME ME.  He feels sorry for himself and his mother but,
He barely touches on the dead and injured. 
And when he says about      we are wealthy people blah blah blah     we dont work at Taco Bell.
How arrogant is that !!Disapprove     At a time like this when his brother has just murdered dozens of ordinary every day people. Sick  
I will bet dollars the girlfriend has given him the flick.    Apparently he talked to her like she was dog doo doo.     She ask him for money in the casino and he told her you dont need money ,,I am paying for everything you have.
I reckon Bro is a loose cannon as well. 




Of course you would.

You know exactly how a person should behave in his situation.



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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:47am
Oh well.  Of course .  Big smile   And you do have a clue , do you ??
Of course you do !!  Thumbs Up     You feel sorry for him no doubt ?? 
Mum is still alive and living in the lap of luxury thanks to her killer son. And Bro is holding the fort in the interview stakes.  Probably will make millions from his interviews.
Mum must have had a strange taste in men.  2 kids to the bloke on the FBI most wanted list. And one ends up a mass murderer.



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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:58am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Oh well.  Of course .  Big smile   And you do have a clue , do you ??
Of course you do !!  Thumbs Up     You feel sorry for him no doubt ?? 
Mum is still alive and living in the lap of luxury thanks to her killer son. And Bro is holding the fort in the interview stakes.  Probably will make millions from his interviews.
Mum must have had a strange taste in men.  2 kids to the bloke on the FBI most wanted list. And one ends up a mass murderer.



How you can come to that conclusion from that media conference is typical garbage.

That was a person trying to rationalise what the kiss his brother has done. He was basically rambling, a wreck coming to terms with it

Only a true dimwitted fool would condemn the brother or not have some sort of compassion for him.



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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:48am
Righto.  I am a dimwitted fool.
But I will wager you he goes on to make a mint out of his interviews about his brother.



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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:55am
PS,,by the way,  Did you see him make any reference at all ,  give any sympathy,  empathy,  to the victims ?? And their families ?
He rambled on for 30 mins.    All about his family.  His mother.  His brother.   Him.  How bad he felt. Blah blah blah.
Any mention of the victims and their families ??   





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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:05am
Seems very proud of his brother, and himself ... hope they have enough surveillance!


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:20am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

PS,,by the way,  Did you see him make any reference at all ,  give any sympathy,  empathy,  to the victims ?? And their families ?
He rambled on for 30 mins.    All about his family.  His mother.  His brother.   Him.  How bad he felt. Blah blah blah.
Any mention of the victims and their families ??    






Sure he only talked about the victims 2 or 3 times, he'd have been better off doing very little but that..

Clearly though this was a highly emotional bloke trying to comprehend why his brother who for all intense and purposes had the perfect life would do such a evil crime.

Of course you expect him to behave as though there is some sort of instruction manual on how to deal with such a crime.


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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:33am
Of course I dont !!   What rubbish !!
But I dont expect him to belittle people by making that crack about them being rich, and the poor working at Taco Bell.  Totally uncalled for. 
Anyone notice the Christmas wreath on the door behind him ??  Weird .Ermm
Focus on the victims , and flick this nut job off.   





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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 8:42am
The extent of his wealth and the source of that wealth is unclear to me. Nothing in his employment history suggests great wealth. He owned apartments at one stage, apparently, but you need money to buy an apartment block.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 8:52am
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

Righto.  I am a dimwitted fool.
But I will wager you he goes on to make a mint out of his interviews about his brother.


How much money is it worth to be the brother of the worst mass murderer in modern history and about a quarter of the population convinced you were in on it?


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Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 9:10am
Incredible interview. I was reluctant to watch because things like this get way too voyeuristic. I heard a separate interview with a criminologist the other day arguing we (the public) should know nothing about these people, not even their name. The press love it and it makes for good fodder on social media, but their fame (or infamy) is what often inspires copycats, and actually increases the risk of future events.

As for Paddock's brother, I felt some sympathy for him. He is trying to process something no one possibly could. People always want to find a link to some such organisation or motive they can make sense of, but sometimes the truth is far more chilling, and he touched on it in the interview- people can be random, chaotic, often unpredictable and occasionally capable of unspeakable acts. We've seen this throughout history. Attempts to explain or pigeon-hole it might make us feel better, but stopping it is another matter entirely.


Posted By: TIGER
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 11:30am
I don't think his brother is short of a dollar to start with

I don't blame the guy for his twisted ramblings, his head is all over the place at present



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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 11:43am
Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

I don't think his brother is short of a dollar to start with

I don't blame the guy for his twisted ramblings, his head is all over the place at present



Exactly Tiger .     Just imagine.       Certainly a hard one emerging.

If mental illness is the sole cause , it is unusual that some evidence hasn't emerged previously in his life.

Apart from his reclusive traits , nothing so far.


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 11:49am
Psychopaths have very low Empathy levels.

This happens generally from one or two origins.

1: The parent desensitised the baby/child, by not hugging when the baby cried.
Think, English Supernanny, who had a show promoting that when a baby is crying you should leave the room, ignore the baby. What this does is 'dishonour" feelings. Creates a non feeling child. The fastest path towards raising a psychopath.

2: Culture and society: Use Terrorism as example. Again, I mention England here. They are normalising Terrorism, by saying, just get on with life, etc. Its a form of Desensitization.
English are infamous for being Passive. Unable to express.
Americans have a largely desensitised nation, due to it being the birth place of so many violent films etc. They normalised violence.

Paddock most likely represents both of the aforementioned.
He would have been raised to be a non feeling person.

To have low empathy levels, means you dont feel either peoples pain, nor joy.
You dont have heightened emotion levels.

Its perfectly normal and HEALTHY to have rollercoaster emotions.
But our culture has been drumming that out of our own species.
Be "non feeling".

What are you when you are Non feeling?
You have low empathy.
And low empathy equates to being a psychopath.

It doesnt matter that Paddock gave his girlfriend money, or that he was a pilot, or rich etc, for NONE of those things have anything to do with Empathy.

Paddock, is a psychopath, with no empathy, and Im hasten to add, but from interviews Ive seen of his brother, he has very very low empathy levels too.
They are the product of unloving parents.

As the saying goes, sometimes in life its the people you least expect.
Successful on the outside, but a low empathy psychopath on the inside.

People will come out with a string of excuses that relate to Conspiracy theories, gun control, and all that garbage.
But based purely on his brothers interview, its as plain as the light of day, that they are the product of unloving parents and have zero empathy levels.

They are the types that draw the curtains, keep to themselves, for they are not there to LAUGH WITH YOU, NOR CRY WITH YOU. They barely exist in the emotional world, for they have none.
I guarantee their neighbours barely knew them, for the Paddocks arent there to celebrate your EMOTIONS.

And here is the hyper scary part, England the past year, due to culture, has just raised millions of non feelers.
"Press along ole chap, just a terror attack".

Hyper hyper dangerous.

the birth and rise of the non empathisers.

You gotta get ANGRY
You gotta get sad
You gotta laugh.
You gotta cry

You gotta FEEL

If you are pushed to not FEEL life, you are on the verge of being the next major psychopath, just like the Paddocks.

In Hungary, you can own a gun. Why arent there mass shootings?????
Culture.
Raised with LOVE AND EMPATHY.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Originally posted by TIGER TIGER wrote:

I don't think his brother is short of a dollar to start with

I don't blame the guy for his twisted ramblings, his head is all over the place at present



Exactly Tiger .     Just imagine.       Certainly a hard one emerging.

If mental illness is the sole cause , it is unusual that some evidence hasn't emerged previously in his life.

Apart from his reclusive traits , nothing so far.

Tiger you said it better in 2 lines than I did in postings. Thumbs Up




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Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:15pm
1. above - the father was a ratbag and the kids were all bad, all got in trouble, according to the brother ... seems like the ingredients were there.

Brother comes across as an egotist who is just about to "pop" himself ... he's liking the spot light too much for me.

Girlfriend and Brother will both make a fortune from this, even though the brother maintains "money means nothing to them" ... just another high roller to die with all his fortune intact? ... or was he on a "lean run" and the book and movie deals will be the "super fund" for the girlfriend and family? ... brother kept saying that the truth will be known if they talk to the casino operators.

or, just another Radical Islamic Terrorist ...?

We will see!


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:22pm
one of the brothers had a history of crime...not the worst crimes, but some were serious enough like arson.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:31pm
All a guess at the moment Doc.   

I'm opting for a crazy, who has been a bubbling Volcano for zonks.

Well known that Psychopaths are masters of playing their role to perfection , making them difficult to detect.

Another Madman from a Society where 20% require help at some time in their life.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 12:46pm
I was walking through a shopping mall yesterday, and passed a bloke covered in tattoos, who was raving and ranting like a mad thing, about nothing in particular, seemingly. Such is the modern mental health system. Recently I saw a bloke running at cars as if attempting to be hit, he nearly was in the short time I saw him. Plenty on the loose that should not be.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I was walking through a shopping mall yesterday, and passed a bloke covered in tattoos, who was raving and ranting like a mad thing, about nothing in particular, seemingly. Such is the modern mental health system. Recently I saw a bloke running at cars as if attempting to be hit, he nearly was in the short time I saw him. Plenty on the loose that should not be.


WOW - Tell me about it Max.

    As I've stated :-    Visible body mutilation , ( lip , eye brow , tongue rigs etc,    Tatoo's ,    are a great help to decision making in job interviews.
    Simple ,     Anyone stupid enough to be wearing such drivel is enough to indicate a brain deficiency , which makes them unsuitable for the work, for which they have applied.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:09pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I was walking through a shopping mall yesterday, and passed a bloke covered in tattoos, who was raving and ranting like a mad thing, about nothing in particular, seemingly. Such is the modern mental health system. Recently I saw a bloke running at cars as if attempting to be hit, he nearly was in the short time I saw him. Plenty on the loose that should not be.


the mental health system is dire. hopelessly under resourced...their just isnt the favilities to cater for mental health patients. psychologists visits should be covered by medicare...not just a few visits that is currently the case. mental health units in hospitals are easy to circumvent by peopl admitted to them...basically a serious of questions determines whether you stay or are released. if you arent suicidal ...i.e....you tell the staffer that you arent...you are almost certainly released.
suicidal admissions are sent to ICU . surely every hospital should have its own wing or ward for such patients. try getting public health support for anorexia...its almost non existant.


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:40pm
Of course, as could be predicted, the ABC has yet again come out to criticise Trump and US gunlaws.
They criticise Trump wherever they can connect him with the shooting.

But that doesnt explain why in Hungary with similar liberal gun laws, where nearly every family has or knows someone with a hunting rifle, have zero incidents happening.

When will the English speaking world realise that its NOT the laws that are wrong, its the violent culture they push through television and films, mixed in with a healthy dollop of a dodgy education system??

Not to mention a fractured multi-cultural society that has no cohesion with a lot of isolated and disenfranchised citizens and a mental health system that is obviously not working at many levels.


Posted By: slowdown
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:45pm
i remember when spelling was important in job interviews too Maccamax -   Tatoo's Wink

LOL


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:55pm
Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Of course, as could be predicted, the ABC has yet again come out to criticise Trump and US gunlaws.
They criticise Trump wherever they can connect him with the shooting.

But that doesnt explain why in Hungary with similar liberal gun laws, where nearly every family has or knows someone with a hunting rifle, have zero incidents happening.

When will the English speaking world realise that its NOT the laws that are wrong, its the violent culture they push through television and films, mixed in with a healthy dollop of a dodgy education system??

Not to mention a fractured multi-cultural society that has no cohesion with a lot of isolated and disenfranchised citizens and a mental health system that is obviously not working at many levels.

SO since Port Arthur when our gun laws were tightened, was our movie viewing, Multicultural background and mental heath policies change as well ? 

We have similar social issues as the US on a far smaller scale yet we do not have a comparable gun crime issue.




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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I was walking through a shopping mall yesterday, and passed a bloke covered in tattoos, who was raving and ranting like a mad thing, about nothing in particular, seemingly. Such is the modern mental health system. Recently I saw a bloke running at cars as if attempting to be hit, he nearly was in the short time I saw him. Plenty on the loose that should not be.


the mental health system is dire. hopelessly under resourced...their just isnt the favilities to cater for mental health patients. psychologists visits should be covered by medicare...not just a few visits that is currently the case. mental health units in hospitals are easy to circumvent by peopl admitted to them...basically a serious of questions determines whether you stay or are released. if you arent suicidal ...i.e....you tell the staffer that you arent...you are almost certainly released.
suicidal admissions are sent to ICU . surely every hospital should have its own wing or ward for such patients. try getting public health support for anorexia...its almost non existant.

Crikeys, I agree with you. It almost sounds like socialism.




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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 1:58pm
LOL

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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:44pm
His brother claims he was uniquely smart. I saw this tweet and thought, perhaps..........

Einstein and his therapist. ''Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.''



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:47pm
'When Ignorance Is Bliss, ‘Tis folly to be wise’


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

I was walking through a shopping mall yesterday, and passed a bloke covered in tattoos, who was raving and ranting like a mad thing, about nothing in particular, seemingly. Such is the modern mental health system. Recently I saw a bloke running at cars as if attempting to be hit, he nearly was in the short time I saw him. Plenty on the loose that should not be.

Which Green's Senator was that?


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:52pm
Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Of course, as could be predicted, the ABC has yet again come out to criticise Trump and US gunlaws.
They criticise Trump wherever they can connect him with the shooting.

But that doesnt explain why in Hungary with similar liberal gun laws, where nearly every family has or knows someone with a hunting rifle, have zero incidents happening.

When will the English speaking world realise that its NOT the laws that are wrong, its the violent culture they push through television and films, mixed in with a healthy dollop of a dodgy education system??

Not to mention a fractured multi-cultural society that has no cohesion with a lot of isolated and disenfranchised citizens and a mental health system that is obviously not working at many levels.

Their gun laws are laughable, but, Yep, O'bummer's gun laws were so much more successful ... just more WackoTDS


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 2:53pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">His brother claims he was uniquely smart.]

I don't think I'd be taking his brother's word on that one.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">His brother claims he was uniquely smart.]

I don't think I'd be taking his brother's word on that one.

Whilst Paddocks life will be defined by the way he ended it I suspect for 63 years he was probably a smart prick.

I doubt his brother is deserving of being defined by the actions of this tragedy.

Investigations may turn things on there head but at the moment he is innocent of any involvement.




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Posted By: acacia alba
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 5:24pm
what was the girlfriend doing, coming off the plane in a wheelchair ??
its weird but if you look at all the pics of him and her together she looks to be a very attractive woman, but then look at the mug shot and she looks old and her face is all pitted.
is it even the same woman ??


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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by acacia alba acacia alba wrote:

what was the girlfriend doing, coming off the plane in a wheelchair ??
its weird but if you look at all the pics of him and her together she looks to be a very attractive woman, but then look at the mug shot and she looks old and her face is all pitted.
is it even the same woman ??


His brother made mention of that photo - he said paddock had a bad allergy to certain things. he would order the hotel to clean the carpet with water only, and she would refrain from perfume and hairsprays etc when around him...as that pic apparently indicates.



Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">His brother claims he was uniquely smart.]

I don't think I'd be taking his brother's word on that one.


Whilst Paddocks life will be defined by the way he ended it I suspect for 63 years he was probably a smart prick.

I doubt his brother is deserving of being defined by the actions of this tragedy.

Investigations may turn things on there head but at the moment he is innocent of any involvement.


You misunderstand me, I think, I was only non-accepting of his claim that the brother was "uniquely smart". Hardly !


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 5:48pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">His brother claims he was uniquely smart.]

I don't think I'd be taking his brother's word on that one.


Whilst Paddocks life will be defined by the way he ended it I suspect for 63 years he was probably a smart prick.

I doubt his brother is deserving of being defined by the actions of this tragedy.

Investigations may turn things on there head but at the moment he is innocent of any involvement.


You misunderstand me, I think, I was only non-accepting of his claim that the brother was "uniquely smart". Hardly !


Somewhere in the Video he says his brother was or is a very good mathematician or was good at math.

Not sure how math helps with slot machines.

 


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by slowdown slowdown wrote:

i remember when spelling was important in job interviews too Maccamax - <span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">  Tatoo's Wink</span>
<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
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<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">LOL
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Deliberate =      I have successfully removed all sanity from U No WHOO with spelling checks.      > It really sends him Psychotic.

Can you tell me why there is a P in neumonia.   Whale had a breakdown trying to answer than.


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 7:38pm
*that


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 8:15pm
[QUOTE=Dr E] *that
[/QUOTE
]Deliberate =      I have successfully removed all sanity from U No WHOO with spelling checks.      > It really sends him Psychotic.

Can you tell me why there is a P in neumonia.   DR E had a breakdown trying to answer thaT.


Posted By: Dr E
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 11:52pm
Tongue


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 12:04am
Originally posted by Dr E Dr E wrote:

Tongue


We have to get Whale back.

   Tough to play cricket without a ball.


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:14pm
What a worthless thread. I saw a news item today where the FBI and family members of previous gun crime victims have had a campaign going for a while that has great merit IMO. The basics are that the perpetrators of these acts should get no publicity whatsoever and nobody should speak their name.
 
The only names that should be mentioned are the heroes and victims. The theory is that the more publicity, discussion about and naming of the perpetrator only serves to give them greater notoriety and exposure to the next potential gunman. It's seems obvious to me that the current media approach only feeds the minds of and inspires the mentally unstable.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:18pm
Sounds like a dud idea to me, TB. Police are greatly dependent on informers, the public are needed to supply info that could result in collaborators being apprehended.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:22pm
Dumb idea

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:24pm
Anything but removing those weapons, will get a run, as a possible solution.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Sounds like a dud idea to me, TB. Police are greatly dependent on informers, the public are needed to supply info that could result in collaborators being apprehended.


The mentally unstable Three Bears speaks of shouldn't be housed in the community..     >     To add to future upheaval we now have our genius Politicians ,   Housing Criminal youth in the Community , in Housing which neighbours are to be unaware of their presence.
A Recipe for disaster.


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:30pm
Dumb idea
 
Imbecilic response.
 
 
Police are greatly dependent on informers
 
They'll do a far better job of getting informers before the fact rather than after.


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:35pm
 To add to future upheaval we now have our genius Politicians ,   Housing Criminal youth in the Community , in Housing which neighbours are to be unaware of their presence.
A Recipe for disaster.
Too true Macca. Very sad case currently involving such criminal youth in UK. Good Samaritan family lost a mother and son to one cretin they tried to help. Said cretin continually ran away from his community housing projects to commit crimes. End result was the senseless murder of mother and thirteen year old son. He didn't need a gun either.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:35pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


Police are greatly dependent on informers
 
They'll do a far better job of getting informers before the fact rather than after.

Says who ? I can't see your logic.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

Dumb idea
 
Imbecilic response.
 
 
Police are greatly dependent on informers
 
They'll do a far better job of getting informers before the fact rather than after.

As imbecilic as ''worthless thread''?


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:42pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


Police are greatly dependent on informers
 
They'll do a far better job of getting informers before the fact rather than after.

Says who ? I can't see your logic.

Not alone there


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Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:43pm
Says who ? I can't see your logic.
Are you really that thick? Maybe not. I just noticed the typo - OF should read IF.
 
"They'll do a far better job if getting informers before the fact rather than after"
 
 
Informers after the fact are often publicity seekers who have done nothing to prevent the incident. Subsequent events suggest that these exposes do nothing to prevent more similar crimes happening.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

Says who ? I can't see your logic.
Are you really that thick? Maybe not. I just noticed the typo - OF should read IF.
 
"They'll do a far better job if getting informers before the fact rather than after"
 
 
Informers after the fact are often publicity seekers who have done nothing to prevent the incident. Subsequent events suggest that these exposes do nothing to prevent more similar crimes happening.

The public are an enormous source of information to police.

There is a suggestion he had an accomplice. How do police appeal for help from the public as to whether anything suspicious has been seen, or any odd purchases of domestic bomb making material involving the bloke or anyone associated with him if he is not identified?


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Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:52pm
One mass murder executed from a hotel room in the history of hotels and the cry goes out - why aren't there metal detectors and bag inspections at all hotels? Oh why why why? How could we have been so negligent?


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


Subsequent events suggest that these exposes do nothing to prevent more similar crimes happening. ]

You seriously think they will desist because their name won't be published ? Maybe it will encourage them, if they think their act, with anonymity, won't bring shame on family etc.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:

What a worthless thread. I saw a news item today where the FBI and family members of previous gun crime victims have had a campaign going for a while that has great merit IMO. The basics are that the perpetrators of these acts should get no publicity whatsoever and nobody should speak their name.
 
The only names that should be mentioned are the heroes and victims. The theory is that the more publicity, discussion about and naming of the perpetrator only serves to give them greater notoriety and exposure to the next potential gunman. It's seems obvious to me that the current media approach only feeds the minds of and inspires the mentally unstable.

I do not think it is a dumb idea, but I do think it is impossible to implement. 


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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


Subsequent events suggest that these exposes do nothing to prevent more similar crimes happening. ]

You seriously think they will desist because their name won't be published ? Maybe it will encourage them, if they think their act, with anonymity, won't bring shame on family etc.

This theory has been around for a number of years, and there was a guy on The Drum last night pushing this line I saw on twitter. Didn't see him though. 


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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:00pm
I try to put myself in the killers head.

It seems a waste to a certain extent to commit such a crime and not hang around to see the result and response. 


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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:03pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

Originally posted by ThreeBears ThreeBears wrote:


What a worthless thread. I saw a news item today where the FBI and family members of previous gun crime victims have had a campaign going for a while that has great merit IMO. The basics are that the perpetrators of these acts should get no publicity whatsoever and nobody should speak their name.
 
The only names that should be mentioned are the heroes and victims. The theory is that the more publicity, discussion about and naming of the perpetrator only serves to give them greater notoriety and exposure to the next potential gunman. It's seems obvious to me that the current media approach only feeds the minds of and inspires the mentally unstable.


I do not think it is a dumb idea, but I do think it is impossible to implement. 


Same. media always reply with "but its our job to report the news..."


Posted By: Tlazolteotl
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:04pm
Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I try to put myself in the killers head.

It seems a waste to a certain extent to commit such a crime and not hang around to see the result and response. 


That's where Muslim lunatics have an advantage on the average crazy.


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:09pm
You'd have to turn it into a "state secret". Would the wife be prevented from knowing, or telling the family where their missing father got to ? They would be filing missing persons reports, and never know if he was the "secret" madman, or not. Dumb-arse idea of the year!


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 3:11pm
Originally posted by Tlazolteotl Tlazolteotl wrote:

Originally posted by djebel djebel wrote:

I try to put myself in the killers head.

It seems a waste to a certain extent to commit such a crime and not hang around to see the result and response. 


That's where Muslim lunatics have an advantage on the average crazy.

LOL


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Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 4:43pm
Thoughtless Political decisions based on cost alone.   They are aware the decisions will import crime to the chosen areas of these "youth Community Houses ".   Fully aware it will cost lives.
    But the savings of Hundreds of millions is weighed up as more important.
   No community housing will be in areas where Politicians live.


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 5:32pm

Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock, Islamic State and the mystery of motive

Nino Bucci

Published: October 6 2017 - 3:21PM

Not long after the final blast from the muzzle of Stephen Paddock's rifle cut through the Las Vegas night, the search for his motive began.

Five days later, authorities are still searching.

Paddock killed 58 people and injured almost 500 more, then killed himself. But he seems to have been, as his brother described him, "just a guy".

Instead of filling a void, the search has simply shown how deep the hole is. And the deeper the hole, the louder the echo.

This is good news for Islamic State, who claimed without evidence in the hours after the attack that Paddock was a "soldier of the caliphate".

If, only a few hours later, police had found a manifesto by Paddock raging against casinos or Vegas or country music, and it had nothing to do with Islam, the IS propaganda machine would have taken a significant hit.

But there is no manifesto. There's nothing that shows Paddock was motivated by Islamic State; but nothing that shows he wasn't, either.

There is no evidence, in fact, that the slaughter was motivated by anything at all.

Paddock was a professional gambler who lived in a housing complex for those aged over 55. But, according to IS boasts in the hours after the attack, he converted to Islam "a few months ago" and was bestowed the Arabic name Abu Abd El Bar.

In the following days, IS clarified further: Paddock converted six months ago, and was known as Abu Abdul Barr al-Amriki, they claimed.

There has been no clarifying evidence provided from the terror group, Paddock's family or friends, or authorities, including the FBI and CIA.

"He has no political affiliation, no religious affiliation, as far as we know," brother Eric Paddock said. "This wasn't a terror attack." 

Paddock's partner, Marilou Danley, was in her native Philippines at the time of the attack.

By the time she travelled back to the US, she was seen as the key to the case: if the answers had not been found in the hours immediately afterwards, the truth must lie with her, was the logic. Eric Paddock had described her as the closest person to his brother.

But she did not know why either.

"He never said anything to me or took any action that I was aware of, that I understood in any way to be a warning that something horrible like this was going to happen," she said.

FBI special agent Aaron Rouse confirmed the day after the attack that the bureau had "determined to this point no connection of an international terrorist group".

But there were others in authority who were less definitive.

"This person may have been radicalised, unbeknownst to us, and we want to identify that source," Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Sheriff Joe Lombardo said in the hours after the attack.

He bordered on speculative in the following days, when he said he was not convinced Paddock had acted alone, and questioned whether he had deliberately concealed the motive.

There was a note in Paddock's hotel room, he added. But it was not a suicide note, and it seemed not to have illuminated or explained anything about a motive.

"What we know is, Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring ammunition and weapons and living a secret life, much of which will we'll never fully understand," Lombardo said.

All this means it may never be known why Paddock committed the worst mass shooting in recent US history.

So why would IS, the biggest brand name in global terror, claim him as one of their own?

Under "normal" circumstances, the terror group claims an attack if they helped actively plan it; if they sent the offender; or if the offender drew inspiration from IS.

At 64, Paddock would have been the oldest IS recruit from the US by nine years, according to George Washington University research.

He had no known online profile or social media accounts, meaning there is no evidence that he had gravitated towards radicalism.

Nothing was found on his electronic devices that indicated he had self-radicalised or was in communication with IS.

He was, therefore, not in obvious contact with IS, nor a sympathiser, and did not fit the demographic profile of a radical.

Which leaves the circumstances of the attack.

If anything, recent IS messaging has emphasised the ease of mounting unsophisticated strikes using trucks or vans, and knives rather than guns.

Paddock's attack certainly did not lack sophistication: hidden cameras to monitor movement outside his room, evidence he had scoped other locations, and then the troubling potency of his arsenal: 47 guns, 33 that he bought in the past year, bump stocks which allowed some of them to fire automatically, 1600 rounds of ammunition and 22 kilograms of ammonium nitrate.

It was an armoury any terrorist group would be proud of. But Paddock seemingly bought all of it legally, with his own money.

All of this appears to add weight to the suggestion that IS claims about the Las Vegas massacre are false; the third recent occasion of the terror group incorrectly taking credit for an attack.

Last month, it claimed responsibility for a bomb plot at Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris, and in June it said that a man who killed 36 people at a Manila casino was one of their "fighters".

Both statements were released by its Amaq news agency, which also hailed Paddock this week. Both were found to be false within days. The Manila attacker was a problem gambler, and the airport evacuation was not caused by a bomb threat.

But while IS has a shaky recent track record, it is a misconception that the group has a record of incorrectly claiming attacks. (An article published in the UK this week entitled "Isis just claimed responsibility for Theresa May's cough" sums up the sentiment.)

Rukmini Callimachi, who covers IS for the New York Times, tweeted that in her rough analysis of more than 50 cases the group had claimed, only three were false.

There were also attacks which they could have claimed – because IS flags were found at the scene, or because of the background of the offenders – but did not.

The main thrust of her argument was that the group is right more often than wrong.

She also dismissed the suggestion that claiming credit for the attack was a sign the group was struggling for legitimacy as coalition forces take hold of its territory in the Middle-East.

Experts have argued that the IS propaganda machine is no longer slick and disciplined, and is over reaching to claim violence against "crusaders".

"It seems like they're desperate for attention and will claim just about everything," Rand Corporation terrorism expert Colin Clarke told CNBC. "They've lost so much territory, and they fear they're becoming irrelevant."

But other experts believe the IS propaganda machine is stronger than ever.

In a study published in the Australian Journal of International Affairs before the Las Vegas attack, Macquarie University counter-terrorism expert Dr Julian Droogan writes that IS had found new ways to communicate, despite being pushed from Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, especially through their Rumiyah magazine, which is translated into several languages.

"The Islamic state-building prospect is going to fail but when it does it will not be the end of the ideas," he said.

Regardless of whether there was IS involvement, was the Las Vegas shooting terrorism? Some angry commentary in the aftermath of the shooting claims that Paddock was a terrorist because he caused terror, and the only reason he was not being accused of that crime was because he was white, and not Muslim.

Under Nevada law, in fact, his mass shooting would be considered an act of terrorism. The State Statute defines terrorism as anything that involves the use of violence to cause death to the general population.

Under American Federal law, another element is required – political motivation. Terrorism is defined as using "violence against persons...to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives".

The question of criminal liability is, of course, a moot point: Paddock is dead, so will not be charged, regardless of where his crimes were committed.

Which leaves the simmering political argument about whether acts of mass violence committed domestically in the US – typically by white men with opaque motivations – should be considered terrorism. And if so, what is their defining "political or social objective".

As White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders offered, when asked if the Las Vegas shooting was an act of domestic terrorism: "It would be premature to weigh in on something like that before we have any more facts".



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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2017 at 5:37pm
Far more important to be figuring out the motive, than curtailing military type weapons in civilian hands, of course !


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 12:24pm
His girlfriend, after being wired the $100,000, feared that he was breaking up with her.
Just based on that statement alone, she is totally innocent.
That statement is a very natural one, and anyone in that same position would think the same thing.
She knew nothing at all about his plans.


Posted By: Redemption
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 12:31pm
Does anyone know the statistics of the fatalities of how many were killed by being shot in the head/neck, or below the shoulders?


Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Does anyone know the statistics of the fatalities of how many were killed by being shot in the head/neck, or below the shoulders?

Why do you want to know that ?


Posted By: Einstein
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

Originally posted by Redemption Redemption wrote:

Does anyone know the statistics of the fatalities of how many were killed by being shot in the head/neck, or below the shoulders?

Why do you want to know that ?
It may indicate wether there is any truth there were shooters on the ground. I am guessing all the angles of the wounds will be documented etc to see how/what they were wounded from.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 6:31pm
An ex CIA fella who does videos and blogs including false flags...says he wants to see the shooting victims and the whole layout of killed or injured people. Fwiw...



Posted By: JudgeHolden
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2017 at 6:55pm


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 4:53pm
Nothing much coming out to contradict a plain "nutter"   letting loose.

   He certainly prepared for his shocking crime.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by maccamax maccamax wrote:

Nothing much coming out to contradict a plain "nutter"   letting loose.

   He certainly prepared for his shocking crime.


quite the contrary i reckon macca....plenty more to come out.

hotel staff been gagged by authorities apparently. if they were out all out of clues...the never ending cctv footage would be released to atleast try and gather more info from the public. no city has the security surveilance like vegas...you couldnt pick your nose anywhere in a hotel without 5 cameras recording it. their cameras can read the dates on coins.



Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 5:18pm
Not that evil surveillance Shocked

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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

Not that evil surveillance Shocked


You would expect a joint that holds more money than the bank of england to have security cameras. reasonable assumption...??

let me know when the mandalay bay start hacking guests mobile phones and emails.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:01pm
They dont, the NSA/FBI does that

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:05pm
People like Paddock emphasise that psychology is just about everything with humans. If you want to know what makes people tick, it is rarely a time bomb, but the largely unplumbed mysteries of the psyche. In this case I am not sure what coming up with a plausible back story to his act, will be much use for, especially if he was a lone wolf..


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

They dont, the NSA/FBI does that


so what was your point about security cameras in vegas casinos?


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

People like Paddock emphasise that psychology is just about everything with humans. If you want to know what makes people tick, it is rarely a time bomb, but the largely unplumbed mysteries of the psyche. In this case I am not sure what coming up with a plausible back story to his act, will be much use for, especially if he was a lone wolf..


they are probing his mental state and think he definitely took a downhill turn in more recent times, evidenced by his increased purchasing of firearms in the last year or so. as well as accounts from people who knew him. but...they dont think it accounts for the mass shooting spree he carried out.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:29pm
Originally posted by cabosanlucas cabosanlucas wrote:

Originally posted by Passing Through Passing Through wrote:

They dont, the NSA/FBI does that


so what was your point about security cameras in vegas casinos?


 

That surveillance does a fantastic job of catching crooks. They will have every detail of this monster's life that can be electronically gathered and it is a great thing they do


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:36pm
The main reason to investigate thoroughly, is to establish if others were involved, or had knowledge. What became of the story about the woman in the crowd who was wandering around warning of an impending massacre, seems too much of a co-incidence.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:39pm
They will have scoured the room to find any minutr trace of DNA of a second person. Also in his properties.

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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

The main reason to investigate thoroughly, is to establish if others were involved, or had knowledge. What became of the story about the woman in the crowd who was wandering around warning of an impending massacre, seems too much of a co-incidence.


Plenty of questions to be answered.

records show he checked in 3 days before the fbi said he did.
the unarmed security guard who paddock shot in the leg when he fired off..200 bullets (200) .... no one has spoken to that security guy.
vegas police said paddock drilled the hallway exits shut.
a navy seal sniper says their were atleast two shooters based on the gunfire noise...he disputes the echo theory. (Same guy is a right wing trump pusher)

lots of other stuff ......lack of hotel footage the main one. but again....that could mean its crucial evidence in an ongoing inveso, where if they release it to the public now it might compromise the operation.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:57pm
Pretty sure they are working to answer their questions on their own timeline, rathers than every conspiracy nutter out there looking to sell something, and they will announce what they are required to release when they are ready

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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 6:58pm
You are boarding the CT bus, Cabo ? You still think the brother is implicated ?


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 7:06pm
That surveillance does a fantastic job of catching crooks.
 
Sure did a rubbish job of catching this clown and preventing his horrible acts.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 7:09pm
They dont have a crystal ball mr bear Dead

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Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 7:31pm
Originally posted by max manewer max manewer wrote:

You are boarding the CT bus, Cabo ? You still think the brother is implicated ?


not a CT, but i think much more stuff is known or suspected. and the investigators have been playing the public a bit.

Id bet half of maccas house its not a lone wolf scenario.


Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 7:42pm
So all your surveillance BS is only of value to those with crystal balls? What about why does a local guy require so much luggage? Common sense failure.


Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 7:48pm
Maybe every hotel, casino, shopping centre should have a profiler on every floor to spot the in advance

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Posted By: Passing Through
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 7:49pm
How many of the 10 suitcases did he personally take to the room?

My guess none or 1 or 2


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Posted By: max manewer
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2017 at 8:34pm
A Las Vegas prostitute who was hired by murderer Stephen Paddock has spoken out about their 'violent' sex sessions and how he bragged about having 'bad blood'.

The woman, who spoke anonymously, said she would spent hours drinking and gambling in Sin City with Paddock, who she described as 'paranoid' and 'obsessive'.

If he hit a winning streak, he would take her back to his room for 'really aggressive and violent sex' including living out rape fantasies, she said.



Paddock also boasted about his bank-robber father, saying that 'the bad streak is in my blood' and 'I was born bad', according to texts seen by the Sun on Sunday.

The 27-year-old woman said Paddock, 64, would often rant about conspiracy theories including how 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government.

The escort, who said Paddock paid her $6,000-a-time for their meetings, also had texts in which he described tying her up 'while you scream for help'.


Posted By: cabosanlucas
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 2:40pm
police now conforming he checked in sept 25, not 28. but are unsure if he stayed at hotel in that time. w t f?

and this isa doozie...same oolice spokesmen is saying that sexurity guard was shot before paddock started firing out the window. the original story was that the security guard was alerted to his room because a smoke alarm had been set off.

i told ya this massacre had a whole lot more to it. Its either :

authorities are rank amateurs

or

they are feeding the public wishy washy bs and witholding a lot of accurate info because they are on to something they dont want compromised.


Posted By: maccamax
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 5:17pm
The picture appears to be forming to support the Psychiatric condition of this beast ,     Wasn't Good.

He probably acted alone but many would have known he wasn't the "full quid "


Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2017 at 5:21pm
I am getting the impression Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo might be a bit of a rogue cop.

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