Calculated
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Topic: Calculated
Posted By: djebel
Subject: Calculated
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 1:00pm
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I am going out on a limb here and suggest this is the best colt So You Think has produced and the best colt Chris Waller has trained. I am usually conservative in my estimations of a horse but this guy and Ballet Baby excite me.
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Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 1:10pm
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I have a big wrap on him too - not sure I'm saying he's going to be Waller's best colt yet. Trained a couple of nice ones in the past like Zoustar, Kermadec and Brazen Beau. I actually blackbooked him from the trials last prep, but was disappointed with his debut. On reflection, it was probably very excusable and he probably wasn't ready. His trials this prep have been enormous - especially the recent one. He just needs to show that in a race now and off he goes. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 2:27pm
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I know comparatively little (nothing) about breeding but if by chance he reaches the heights it would be yet another example of a well-bred lightly raced mare to the fore. Feel free to set me right but as an ignorant observer it seems to me the breeding push for the progeny of Group, black type etc mares is largely misplaced????? It's probably just that they stand out but well-bred, underperforming mares who have short careers seem to pop up regularly as the dams of good track performers??????? |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 2:30pm
| Sadler's Wells/Danehill. Juliet Juliet - who would want more. And it's in my stable so I hope your right Djebel. Didn't do much at its only run. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 2:47pm
I think that's more about champion mares who race on for season after season - a la Sunline, Makybe Diva etc. I think you'll find your average stakes winning mare that hasn't raced past 5 or more than say 20-30 starts is a great chance at producing stakes winners. The focus is always on the champs because there are few of them and it stands out when they produce slugs. I read something recently though that said Europe has no issue with champion mares producing stakes winners and it could be more to do with our environment or practices. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
3blindmice wrote:Posted By: Gay3
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 2:47pm
3bm, I've seen a few stats & they irrefutably show progeny of G1 mares to be superior, performance wise, which is likely due to higher quality matings, better rearing & training opportunities but as you've suggested, it's not the B all & end all  ------------- Wisdom has been chasing me but I've always outrun it! |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 3:40pm
Thanks Sunline/Gay. Not that I have any real knowledge of the topic but I was thinking more of those mares served by "acknowedged" sires and only first generation of the dam. If I was truly interested I'd probably scan the Timeform best and G1 winners across the years and check how their mums went. I do like to check the breeding of 2 and 3yr olds that I'm backing and particularly the performance of their siblings but beyond that I leave it to those with vested/deep personal interests.
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Posted By: AdaHunta
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 4:00pm
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Trials might look ok but look at the last 600m SLOW !! Hasn't broken 35 seconds Race debut they ran home 34.30 and he was found wanting even out sprinted by Kennedy whos a Godolphin B grader and hasn't won a race since Cant see where all this Hype is coming from GOODLUCK !!
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Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 4:38pm
| Must be a quiet Monday Ada. This thread should have gone up on April 1st. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 4:43pm
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Last 600m has marginal meaning in a 900m trial unless they're running hard from the outset imo. He made up 10l in the last 400m. His own 600m was significantly faster - I'd guesstimate about 0.8 secs looking at margins during the race and at the finish. Overall time was good for the day. Trial was impressive enough to my eye to warrant attention but he now has to take that form into races over further against experienced horses. Breeding on the dam side has pace and stamina which should help. Long way to go obviously and much too early to predict he'll be a very good horse but I like the bold call. Anyone know what Waller thinks? He's usually reserved until they're 3-3.5yo by which time they've won a few and have been pitted against the clock and better training partners. He was quiet on Egg Tart but all over Omei Sword and even Winx prior to her record run as a late 3yo. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 5:50pm
| Both Calculated (Bowman chasing premiership title) and Sparky Lad (another fair trialler from Waller yard) nommed R1 Cant Wed. No markets yet? |
Posted By: Aurelius
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 6:06pm
IMO that is pretty much spot on. Blue blood dams seem to skip a generation or two and then bang! some good ones arrive. Unless of course it is completely bred out of them. Don't they say 90% or so of our decisions are based on fear. Fear if we don't buy a black type mare we will not be successful in breeding. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 6:41pm
Yes that has me bamboozled. Adahunter might be right ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 6:46pm
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B365 just went up $5/2, $4 for SL. Sunline ?? just killed it as I was about to place my bet
 . Into $4.40 |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 6:47pm
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$3.60 SportsBet atm if you're keen. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 6:49pm
| Waller also has Blazeray (Avdulla) in the race djebel. |
Posted By: Second Chance
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 6:52pm
| Interesting race, but perhaps more a question of "darts anyone?". |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 6:52pm
| 8 markets now up. All $4-4.40 except for PaddyPower SB who are big unders atm |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 7:32pm
Certainly took the $5/$1.91. Whether it was me or a tsunami of others that tightened him up I don't know haha. Definitely wasn't there soon after I took it as I tried to push someone else in but was too late. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 7:39pm
| $3.4-3.9 across the corp board now. TAB has $4 |
Posted By: SkyDancer
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 8:23pm
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Only run to date was very plain to my eye. Would want to find a few extra gears come race day, trials are trials (overrated) nothing beats an actual race! djebel, I think you have gone the early crow.
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Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 8:28pm
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I would fall out of my chair if this horse runs top 4 Sorry punters, but it helps if you take the Waller coloured glasses off every so often ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 8:36pm
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Into $3.5 now. To respond to some of the above: * Totally agree he needs show he can turn awesome trials into similarly good race performances. I'm prepared to forgive the debut performance but as I said above I was disappointed and I'm guarded about him til then. That's why I was happy with $5/$1.91 but couldn't push anyone to take $3.5. * Can confirm Xavier I don't punt with rose coloured glasses. There's no money in it. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be wrong. But it won't be because I was fooled by who trains it I assure you. Prepared to back him at the price I got on his most recent trial in particular. They rarely trial like that from that yard if they're not talented. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 9:05pm
| Seemed too obvious to warrant a reply nevertheless you've summed it up well Sunline. Djebel may have been optimistically musing but I'm prepared to go further and label him (Calculated, not djebel) the next big coming. Of what I don't know. Funny things at times, forums |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 9:29pm
| Waller - darts |
Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2017 at 9:49pm
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Wasn't aimed at you Sunline, just a general observation that Waller runners sTart shorter than they would if trained by someone else. ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2017 at 12:56am
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Into $3.3 now, with Sportsbet as short as $3.1. They've jumped out of trees to back him this evening. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: room for a slew
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 11:16am
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Certainly has been well backed Well done to those who got the overs!! If this horse is as good as the talk and money suggests, would be interested to hear wallers thoughts. Would he have primed to win today and then put him away for a bit and target a guineas or spring champion stakes or derby Or would he be building up the horse slowly and is not ready for this 1st up? Or maybe class would get him home regardless? Where is DD for the inside info! ! Good punting all 
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 11:47am
| Waller scratched the second fav, hence the new market . Price is now silly imo. Bowman gave Calculated a bit of a wrap on radio this morning but suggested his best today is the Lees filly in R3 |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 11:49am
Calculated was 2.35 last night before scratchings. Deductions will be interesting  ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 12:35pm
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They'll try to screw us like they normally do, djebel. Will makeup the ground they lost on us getting on before the plunge. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 1:27pm
Was he really? Was $2.90 across the board when I last looked early evening which I thought was already short enough but apparently punters were still keen.
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Posted By: ThreeBears
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 2:55pm
| I'd rather have the second pony on that run. |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 3:02pm
| Boy he's a beauty but he has no idea what he has to do and yes the second horse was a lovely run. He seemed more like a racehorse. Calculated was in out and hard to wind up so I guess the win was pretty good the other horse had momentum coming down the outside and this one just wouldn't go straight. |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 3:05pm
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Will love a mile plus and some experience. Great that he got the job done for us all the same. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 3:24pm
| If that was April 1 hope it keeps repeating for the rest of the year. TAB wouldn't be happy. Not only was Calculated heavily backed but runner up was backed for the place solidly. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 3:37pm
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Well done guys. No deductions win or place odds. Too good to be true.I thought there might have been a protest for interference at the top of the straight but not to be. Yes, because I was on Brave Song. $4.40 the place is acceptable though. A little dirty I didn't plonk on the quinella. $11.60. Good win in the end though. Very green still so will benefit plenty from the run. He'll need to. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 3:58pm
| Unlucky to run into this bloke Scamanda. Generous bookie if you didn't get hit with deductions. 7% for me but I'm not complaining. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 4:14pm
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From SportsBet. Results
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 4:28pm
| Yes saw that. TAB didn't deduct from place according to the website. I'd be gobsmacked if PaddyPower SB didn't hit early bets. They're leaders in deductions from my observation. Mind you I think they went up at bottom odds anyway so perhaps they didn't take a big hit? |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 4:36pm
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Yep SportsBet were always behind the others early. $3.60 compared to the $4 and $4.40 you posted on the 3rd. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:15pm
| great find - well done! |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:25pm
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Hope Xavier had a soft landing
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Posted By: AdaHunta
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:28pm
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Well done on the win Djebel But seriously when I heard Bowmen say he could find himself in a race like the Coxplate down the track I think thats getting a little bit carried away Djebel and Bowmen sound like they hang out together maybe |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 5:35pm
| Not this year he said. Bit of banter about his sire, grain of salt stuff, but he did suggest Calculated had a bit of quality about him going forward. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 6:10pm
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This might interest you Djebel. http://www.racingnsw.com.au/article-display/Bowman-Predicts-Big-Future-For-Plunge-Colt/23240 The Chris Waller-trained Calculated earned very high praise from champion jockey Hugh Bowman after breaking his maiden at Canterbury in the TAB Handicap (1200m). The So You Think two-year-old, soon to be three, was backed into $1.65 with TAB Fixed Odds after opening $2.70 on Wednesday morning and from $4.40 bet in the first market on Monday afternoon. “He didn’t settle too well for me midrace and I thought that might happen because he wanted to get on with it in his second trial. He has got to learn to relax in the middle stages. When he does, and he will, he is going to have a very bright future,” Bowman said. “I think he is a miler but he is still immature and it was only his second start today. When that nervous energy leaves him, because he is a very sensible horse and not hard to handle, he has certainly got what it takes. “His father won the Cox Plate as a three-year-old as we all know and although I wouldn’t imagine he’d be winning this year’s Cox Plate, it wouldn’t surprise me if he gets there in the future.” It wasn’t an easy watch for punters who took the short quote with Calculated warming to the task to reel in the leaders before holding off a late charge from the second-placed Brave Song, who produced an exceptional debut for Team Snowden. “He only won by a small margin but I think it will be a good form race,” Waller said, “He is all quality and he still hasn’t learnt what it is all about yet.” “Being a short-priced favourite we had to bustle him a little bit but I think when you give him the chance to be a horse he’ll settle down and go to the next level. “You take a lot of confidence out of the sire he is by in So You Think. You’d be thinking a mile would be easy for him. The So You Thinks are really good stock they just need time and that’s what they’ll get. “His eyes are poking out of his head but he has got the brain to cope with it.”
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 6:48pm
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Heard the eyes poking out of his head bit from CW straight after the race, presumed he'd had a tough run but on reflection it's pretty obvious what he meant. Odd turn of phrase - unless it's a kiwi thing? |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 8:02pm
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Just that everything was a big deal for the horse and the whole occasion has his eyes popping out of his head. He's very green, I think Waller has a good point there. Interesting Waller said that may have been the case, but he has the brain to cope with all the stimulation. Suggests he has shown them his intelligence at home, and you often hear how the really good ones are intelligent. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 8:12pm
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Pretty much spot on Sunline, some take it in their stride, some others over awed, any PA system at the trials? if not this may have perked him up along with a smack around the bum, until today he may have thought this was all a joke.
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 8:28pm
| I missed the mounting yard, presume he was taking it all in, but Lizzie reckoned he took it all in his stride like an old hand. Seemed very relaxed behind the barrier. Main thing is he's taken his first step. A very long road ahead if he's going to challenge the better horses. |
Posted By: Sir Gov
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 8:49pm
Will be much more settled when they geld him & bring him back next prep.
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Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 8:58pm
Don't dare say the G word, djebel will be ropeable   ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: Speediskey
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 10:38pm
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Definitely looks like he could benefit from being gelded. Don't worry, Djebel, I'm joking.
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Posted By: Xavier
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 10:58pm
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No bloody why, no should ever be gelded. Ever ------------- Karl and Susan Kennedy are my heroes |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 11:02pm
| That's his tail. |
Posted By: stayer
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2017 at 11:30pm
Just have to say Scamanda I had my first bet in a while today on Brave Song. Win only. Purely because a) you liked it and you're a freakish judge of 2/3 year olds and b) I thought Waller would have bigger fish to fry with his good one. Luckily I followed it up with a win bet on Sasso Corbaro, thinking Soothing was hyped. 
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 1:00am
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Sor Gov and Speediskey, I will talk to you outside. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 1:01am
Sir  ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 1:12am
Had a bit a syrup have we.
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Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 10:59am
 https://twitter.com/EmLCully" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/EmLCully/status/882441135959887874" rel="nofollow - 19h ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 11:34am
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Congrats Djebel and others. I've just caught up with replay and can't believe there was no protest. I know that Catesby caused the 1st interference on Godolphin horse but Godolphin horse was more than a length in front of Calculated who over-reacted and bumped Brave Song. Glad most of you had a win and feel a bit for Scamanda who i think backed runner up. ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 12:20pm
| Nah. Minor bump which made little if any difference to Brave Spring's momentum. Had 200m to get past but couldn't. Head on (late in the replay) showed why Bowman pulled him off. Calculated was reacting to the reins/bit. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 12:29pm
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I must admit I am surprised there was not at least a shot at the stumps. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 1:24pm
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Minor bump 3bm! I've seen protests lodged and upheld for a lot less. Including no bump but intimidation.Considering Brave Song was 3/4 length behind at the bump at the 250m mark and was then a length behind at the 200m mark and to then finish 0.2 behind at the end makes me believe that a protest should have been fired in and that if jockey/trainer didn't then the stewards should have. ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 1:57pm
| I understand what you're saying kavg but obviously the jockey and connections thought the runner up had her chance over the last furlong. The horses were neck and neck when the shift occurred, Calculated sprinted that bit better but to her credit Brave Song just kept coming. It was a very good run, just not good enough on the day. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 2:21pm
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I think Snowden took in to consideration that others were involved in the interference. Someone like Craig Williams would have protested. The winner too good on the day. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 3:02pm
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Read the stewards report. They watched the replay with the stewards, and both agreed the interference was caused by another horse and there was a chain reaction. Both agreed no grounds for objection. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 3:03pm
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If I had backed the winner I would have been very worried and then extremely relieved. If I backed the runner-up I would have been fairly confident and then very frustrated. I understand what you are both saying but if you have a look at the front on, Calculated (and/or Bowman) over-reacts. He doesn't cop a bump, he is only intimidated and goes out 2 horses interfering with Brave Song. Brave Song lost at least 0.25 and probably 0.5 length plain and simple. Watching it again I am pretty certain that Bowman anticipates the problem ahead of him and pulls the rein to shift out, consequently impeding Brave Song. It is not the fault of the other interference or even Calculated's inexperience and further reason for a protest to be lodged by jockey or steward. As much as I love Bowman he probably should have copped a suspension. ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 3:11pm
| Last sentence is ott kavg. Bowman saw what was happening inside him so took evasive action. Pure speculation but had he just continued on he may have galloped on Catesby's hindquarters. Ironically it looked like Avdulla on the other Waller entry caused the side shuffle. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 3:14pm
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Stewards: Brave Song – the declaration of correct weight was delayed to enable App N Heywood and co-trainer
Mr P Snowden to view the patrol films of the home straight in relation to Brave Song (placed second)
to ascertain whether or not there were grounds for an objection. It was established that shortly after
straightening, Blazeray (B Avdulla), which had been held up, endeavoured to shift out around the heels
of League Of Nations and in so doing, made contact with Catesby, resulting in Catesby being taken
wider and impeding Calculated. Calculated then shifted out and hampered Brave Song. When App
Heywood and Mr P Snowden were satisfied there were no grounds for an objection, and the Stewards
were of a similar view, correct weight was declared. At a subsequently inquiry, B Avdulla was
reprimanded. On jumping, Brave Song was crowded between Choice Harvest, which was hampered
and carried out by Blazeray which began awkwardly and shifted out
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Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 3:31pm
| I sincerely hope this hype does not backfire |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 3:54pm
| Ha ha. Yes the amount of discussion is well beyond the performance. I'm certainly not getting carried away despite Hughie's comments. He scrambled home in a midweeker at Canterbury over what was probably an unsuitable distance. Upside looks good though and not much doubt we need a big boost in our male 3yo ranks. Hopefully the next few months will see some exciting young horses emerge. |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 4:05pm
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I leave it with having seen protests lodged and upheld for a lot less interference. Agree with over-hyping. Whilst they have improvement within them they have a long way to go before being a match for Royal Symphony or Godolphin's Special K. ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 5:12pm
Whoo is Special K ? ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 5:36pm
| Can't tell you until we get on djebel. Actually I haven't got a clue who he's referring to. |
Posted By: scamanda
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 6:07pm
Kementari , the fav for the Golden Rose. ------------- I started with nothing and still have most of it left |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 6:08pm
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Too good Scamanda... ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: kavg
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 6:09pm
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And I'm pretty sure they won't geld this one Djebel... ------------- Prejudice is an emotional attachment to ignorance. DiEM25 for the world. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 6:26pm
Both colts could prove better than Calculated and I will still be right with my original spruik They are both very smart exciting prospects.Some really good non black type performed rising 3yos seen so far. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 6:32pm
 ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: Carioca
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2017 at 8:15pm
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My opinion only, he looks very foalish to my eye. April derby horse all going well.
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Posted By: Gee Gee
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2017 at 12:49pm
| He's a handsome colt. Certainly has dad's looks! |
Posted By: furious
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2017 at 1:04pm
| I agree with you both lovely to look at but such a big baby. He has a long way to go if he can perform to his pedigree. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 12:57pm
Looking for excuses already but I do not like them backing him up so soon  #Typical
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Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 1:10pm
| Condor and Tenessee Tango will be good tests for him. |
Posted By: djebel
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 1:12pm
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I am thinking the gelding. It is quite a strong race. ------------- reductio ad absurdum |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 1:19pm
| Doubt Colesburg can give him weight and fitness myself. |
Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 2:28pm
| If he can't win this then they forget about the Cox Plate |
Posted By: Magnolian Khan
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 2:28pm
| Can forget* |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 2:37pm
| I'm sure that's tongue in cheek MK but in case someone comes in late no-one's talking Cox Plates. |
Posted By: crooked_gambler
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 2:42pm
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Didn't the trainer and jockey mention the Cox Plate and said something like he was the next So You Think last week? ------------- This space has been intentionally left blank |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2017 at 3:09pm
| Nothing like that CG. Bowman was prompted by a tongue in cheek question from a presenter. Look back earlier in this thread if you want to know more. |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:22pm
| Money has come. Small ew interest the filly for me at $17 |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:23pm
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What a lovely colt. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:25pm
| May well win but couldn't possibly take that price. Would want at least 4.5 to 5 to get interested |
Posted By: Shawy38
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:26pm
| I'm having something on Colesberg |
Posted By: Sunline
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:27pm
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Shawy I do think $3+ was fair. They were never going to give us $4.5-$5. ------------- Sunline...simply supreme |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:29pm
| Just noticed the bloody Snowdens killed third divvy. @rses. |
Posted By: WarriSymbol
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:33pm
| every possible |
Posted By: 3blindmice
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2017 at 1:33pm
| Good run just not good enough on the day. |